John Orr's Presentation Showing 2nd Gunman from County Records Building

[Lawrence Schnapf]

Here is the link to ethics presentation of John Orr from the mock trial. He discusses his findings of organic material on one of the bullet fragments in the limo, evidence of a second rear gunman from the roof of county courts building and his dissection/refutation of the single bullet theory. the ethics piece  is the obligations of a prosecutor when confronted with new evidence or the science changes.

 

 

[Michael Walton]

In my opinion, and I don't know if they included this in the mock trial, but all they'd have to do is show the FBI reenactment film to show that the shot supposedly hit Kennedy in the back could NOT have gone through the back, out the throat, and into JC for two reasons:

The FBI accurately marked on the stand in's back where the back wound appears in the autopsy photo. You can clearly see the white mark on his back. Simply follow the track of that mark and look where the bullet would have come out.

Not through his throat and far from hitting JC.

And according to the autopsy report, Humes clearly said that back wound terminated in the back.

[David Andrews]

"The Mafia did it"!?

[Pat Speer]

While Orr's background in the DOJ and relationship with Fox news gives him the appearance of being an authority on this matter, his proposed scenario is incredibly wobbly and out-dated, in my opinion.

Oswald as a shooter? For the mafia? With the head shot being fired from the roof of the County Records Building?

The bullet entering the back of the head at the cowlick? With the doctors (not just Humes) admitting they were wrong when they said it entered near the EOP?

The doctors not studying x-rays at the autopsy? The so-called 6.5 mm fragment not only being on the back of the head, but being the copper base of a soft-nosed bullet?

The back and to the left movement of Kennedy's head being caused by a jet effect?

While Orr took delight in claiming the single-bullet theory was dead, he failed to realize that much of his own theory was just as dead (or close to it).

 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Pat Speer

[Micah Mileto]

15 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

While Orr's background in the DOJ and relationship with Fox news gives him the appearance of being an authority on this matter, his proposed scenario is incredibly wobbly and out-dated, in my opinion.

Oswald as a shooter? For the mafia? With the head shot being fired from the roof of the County Records Building?

The bullet entering the back of the head at the cowlick? With the doctors (not just Humes) admitting they were wrong when they said it entered near the EOP?

The doctors not studying x-rays at the autopsy? The so-called 6.5 mm fragment not only being on the back of the head, but being the copper base of a soft-nosed bullet?

The back and to the left movement of Kennedy's head being caused by a jet effect?

While Orr took delight in claiming the single-bullet theory was dead, he failed to realize that much of his own theory was just as dead (or close to it).

 

Your Animania chapter is due for an update!

[Micah Mileto]

Can this animation be considered a rebuttal to Dale Myers?

[Micah Mileto]

https://imgur.com/a/TbNJ5

 

Here are some key screenshots from the presentation. Where's the discussion about this?  

 

It's frustrating it doesn't show the Z220's. Showing z202 is partially pointless, because you can only see Connally's head and can't make an accurate measurement of his body position. The z230's part only makes me want to see the z220's more. And does this overlay the other films and photographs?

Edited December 17, 2017 by Micah Mileto

[Sandy Larsen]

On 12/12/2017 at 1:21 AM, Pat Speer said:

While Orr took delight in claiming the single-bullet theory was dead, he failed to realize that much of his own theory was just as dead (or close to it).

I agree.

Though he did give an interesting explanation for the bullet entering near T3 and exiting the throat, finally to end up hitting and denting the chrome trim of the windshield, above and to the right of the rear view mirror.

This drawing shows the location of the dent:
 

 

Edited December 18, 2017 by Sandy Larsen

[Chris Davidson]

On 12/16/2017 at 10:56 PM, Micah Mileto said:

https://imgur.com/a/TbNJ5

 

 Where's the discussion about this?  

 

 

The base distance from z273 to County Records Building Annex corner (Photo)= 256.25ft

The rooftop = 80ft.

The elev change = 430-420.06 = 9.94ft

The angle needed for this shot to the street is 19.35 degrees = 19 degrees 21min 

The parallel scenario set forth by the WC (6th floor SE window) is thru Shaw's testimony who states somewhere around z236.

If one will look back at CE884 data for z235, the angle set is 19degrees 26min.

The angle change in CE884 for z235-z240 = 25 minutes or 5 minutes per frame.

So z235 (19deg 26min)- 5min (z236) = 19deg21min which is a match.

 

[Chris Davidson]

The view depicted from atop the County Records building( from John Orr's presentation) looking down over Elm St, superimposed over an actual photograph.

https://ibb.co/jtZFZm

 

[Micah Mileto]

Question: is there anything from the animation shown in the video that specifically refutes the Single Bullet Theory at the 220's Zapruder Frames?