Jason Ward Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) On 3/19/2018 at 12:26 PM, Paul Trejo said: DPD Traffic and Accident – Motorcycle (2): Thomas Hutson. Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 15: DPD Motorcycle Officer Thomas Hutson Officer Thomas Hutson, age 35: 9 years with DPD, currently 3 wheel motorcycle officer 22 NOV 63 working general crowd control until hears "Signal 19" on radio; then goes to TSBD; arrives within 3 minutes Guards TSBD front door; screens people arriving, prevents anyone from leaving, along with officers J.B. Garrick & H.R. Freeman After about 30 minutes at TSBD guarding the front door, Hutson is relieved by his sergeant and immediately hears a request for officers to a shooting at 500 E Jefferson involving a police officer Begins a search of a two story house "behind" where "the officer has been shot" Joins Officers Hawkins & Bagget in squad car, proceeds to Beckley & 10th Mobil gas station Radio alert reports subject sighted; Officer Hutson proceeds to library at Marsalis & Jefferson There is only a teenager at the library, determined to have no involvement Hutson returns to squad car with Garrick and Freeman, travelling west on East Jefferson; here's on radio suspect has entered Texas Theatre Hutson reveals that earlier a white jacket was found at 400 E Jefferson, behind the Texaco station Hutson directs a complicated maneuver including driving the wrong one on a one-way street - so that the 3 officers arrive at the rear fire exit of the Texas Theatre A man is exiting the Theatre as Hutson arrives, says he works at the shoe store, and Julia had instructed him to open the back door "I left out the part about the number of people sitting in the theatre on the floor," Hutson says. There are 7 people on the floor when he walked in. Officer McDonald and Hutson approach "this person," who starts struggling with McDonald Officer Hutson puts a stranglehold on "this person" Officer C T Walker joins the scuffle; at some point Officer hears a snap which he thinks is from a pistol he saw around "this person's" waistband Hutson thinks Officer McDonald "and someone else" got control of the gun Oswald is cuffed at the theatre and is not seen ever again by Hutson There is no police brutality in handling Oswald, Officer Hutson says Hutson returns to DPD headquarters to file reports and discovers Oswald's name Hutson identifies exhibit 162 as a white jacket that looks like the one found behind the Texaco Station, which he heard "someone" say was probably discarded by the pursued suspect after the Oak Cliff shooting Hutson identifies exhibit 150 as the shirt that looks like the one worn by the arrested suspect at the Texas Theatre CONCERNS: Insofar as the testimony given, Hutson's narrative is coherent; however, some obvious questions were not asked and the intention here seems to get a quick and clean testimony in support of other officers Who does Hutson see come and go at TSBD; who is giving orders; does he see Decker & Fritz? Who is giving orders at the Tippit murder scene? Why does Hutson search a house? What else happens at the scene of interest; like is a wallet found? Where's Tippit's gun & other evidence found? What do witnesses say? More elaboration is needed to explain the reason and timing around Hutson's movements between leaving the TSBD at about 1 until the time of Oswald's capture. Why isn't he pinned down as to time? Why does Hutson proceed to the rear of the Texas Theatre? HOW is Oswald pinpointed as the suspect so quickly once Hutson gets inside the TSBD? When Hutson says, "I left out the part about the number of people sitting on the theatre floor," is he intimating that he was coached to make sure and get this into his narrative? This is similar to his insertion of the white jacket discovery into his testimony - it seems like he HAD to get these points in the record. Hutson is at 4 key scenes that day, but provides only a summary overview with few details, which is disturbing: TSBD; Tippit murder scene, Texas Theatre; DPD HQ as Oswald is in custody Overall, Hutson seems like another quickie witness who was deliberately brought in to tell a set narrative, and then allowed to quickly leave. The Tippit murder scene is left almost completely untouched by this testimony, which is inexplicable. Officer Hutson's presence at several historical spots on 22 November is possibly suspicious: Is there a core of pre-determined actors in the day's events? Edited April 3, 2018 by Jason Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) On 4/3/2018 at 12:24 PM, Jason Ward said: Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 15: DPD Motorcycle Officer Thomas Hutson (age 35): <SNIP> CONCERNS: Insofar as the testimony given, Hutson's narrative is coherent; however, some obvious questions were not asked and the intention here seems to get a quick and clean testimony in support of other officers Who does Hutson see come and go at TSBD; who is giving orders; does he see Decker & Fritz? Who is giving orders at the Tippit murder scene? Why does Hutson search a house? What else happens at the scene of interest; like is a wallet found? Where's Tippit's gun & other evidence found? What do witnesses say? More elaboration is needed to explain the reason and timing around Hutson's movements between leaving the TSBD at about 1 until the time of Oswald's capture. Why isn't he pinned down as to time? Why does Hutson proceed to the rear of the Texas Theatre? HOW is Oswald pinpointed as the suspect so quickly once Hutson gets inside the TSBD? When Hutson says, "I left out the part about the number of people sitting on the theatre floor," is he intimating that he was coached to make sure and get this into his narrative? This is similar to his insertion of the white jacket discovery into his testimony - it seems like he HAD to get these points in the record. Hutson is at 4 key scenes that day, but provides only a summary overview with few details, which is disturbing: TSBD; Tippit murder scene, Texas Theatre; DPD HQ as Oswald is in custody Overall, Hutson seems like another quickie witness who was deliberately brought in to tell a set narrative, and then allowed to quickly leave. The Tippit murder scene is left almost completely untouched by this testimony, which is inexplicable. Officer Hutson's presence at several historical spots on 22 November is possibly suspicious: Is there a core of pre-determined actors in the day's events? Jason, In response to your concerns: 1. Yes, the testimony of DPD motorcycle cop Tom Hutson is short -- almost too short. He gives us virtually no detail. He does confirm the timeline. For example: he says he was stationed to guard the TSBD front door. The time we've learned from Inspector Herbert Sawyer was 12:45 pm. Then he says about 30 minutes later he was called to Oak Cliff where Tippit was shot. That's confirmed by radio reports that Tippit was killed approximately 1:18 pm. 2. He would have then seen Fritz and Decker who entered the front door at about 1:12 pm, according to the report by Deputy Mooney, who claims he immediately leaned out the 6th floor southeast window to shout out to Fritz and Decker below that he found bullet shells. They entered then, so as guard of the front door he would have seen them. Why didn't Hutson mention sighting Fritz and Decker? Well, he simply wasn't asked. 3. As for the Tippit murder scene, we should remember that the same Inspector Sawyer claimed to take charge of that scene. Sawyer probably gave Hutson the order to guard the TSBD and to drive to Oak Cliff, and to search a house. Why didn't Hutson mention getting orders from Inspector Sawyer? Again, he simply wasn't asked. 4. You're right to bemoan the fact that Hutson offered no details of the Tippit murder scene -- one of the most important events in US History. Why not? Again, Hutson simply wasn't asked. In any case, the timing does match up. We have a radio log that confirms Hutson's story. The tragedy for history is that this key witness to these momentous events is a man of so few words. 5. I have no problem with Hutson entering the Texas Theatre from the back door -- there were many police, and full coverage was needed. We are left to imagine the details, though. Presumably the Dallas cops and deputies agreed with each other; perhaps by hand signals. We must guess, but the plausibility is solid. 6. Other witnesses will explain how Oswald is pinpointed -- the manager of the theater turned on the lights and pointed to Oswald. Why does Hutson not say this, too? He wasn't asked. 7. It is odd, that after all this silence, Hutson volunteers, "I left out the part about the number of people" in the theater -- very few (seven). This helps explain how Oswald was pointed out so quickly. But why does he suddenly speak up now? Also, he recalls that during the search for Oswald, the team found a white jacket. This confirms the WC witness of Inspector Sawyer. Perhaps Sawyer wrote the "Master Story" script for Hutson. 8. DPD motorcycle cop Tom Hutson is at four major scenes of the JFK assassination: TSBD, Tippit murder, Texas Theater arresting Oswald, and DPD HQ with Oswald. Yet he is almost silent when it comes to details. He basically supplies confirmation of the DPD radio log timeline of events. Your concern, Jason, about the shortage of detail in the Tippit murder is justified. That's the case in Hutson's testimony, but also in: (1) all DPD records in general; and (2) all WC testimony in general. One of the most important murders in DPD history, namely of JD Tippit, gets almost no details. This is the suspicious part. If I were to follow a suspicion that Tom Hutson was at four major JFK scenes, then I would also have to suspect his likely leader at all these scenes -- DPD Inspector Herbert Sawyer. If Inspector Sawyer was in charge of all four sites, perhaps he regarded Tom Hutson as a reliable resource -- and somebody who could keep his mouth shut. All best, --Paul Edited April 5, 2018 by Paul Trejo typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) On 3/19/2018 at 12:26 PM, Paul Trejo said: Jason, ... After you have gone through the Dallas Deputies -- there are not very many -- please move on to the Dallas Police -- there are several. To make this easier, and to stay focused on the material of the Dallas Deputies -- I ask that you first isolate only those . Here's my new list of 14 Dallas Police employees -- and I think this is a manageable number: DPD Traffic and Accident – Foot Patrol (3): D.V. Harkness (Sergeant), To summarize my request, Jason -- may we please place these 14, plus Deputy Roger Craig, highest in the queue at this time? If so, please place Deputy Craig next. All best, --Paul Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 16: DPD Sgt. Harkness D.V. Harkness, age 42: 17 Years experience DPD 22NOV63: standing on Main & Houston; walked through Dealey Plaza to visually track presidential limo Upon first shot, limo nearly stopped; Sgt Darkness proceeded back to Main & Houston to get his motorbike Drives to area between overpass (railroad tracks) and Industrial to "observe" "someone" indicated the shots were fired from in front of the limo, from the west, i.e. the triple overpass Sgt Harkness returns to TSBD, then proceeds to the extended area of Elm towards the RR tracks Amos Euins tells Sgt Harkness that the shots came from the TSBD Sgt Harkness delivers Euins to the back of Inspector Sawyer's police car 12:36PM Sgt Harkness radios to dispatcher that Euins reports shots fired from 5th floor of TSBD and that the building is being sealed Harkness clarifies that he sealed off the back of the TSBD; insisting that Inspector Sawyer was in control of the front door "all the information was being funneled to Inspector Sawyer," Sgt Harkness says WC attorney Belin elicits Harkness to admit he cannot be sure if Sawyer & "other" officers were actually keeping people from leaving the building; Harkness wanted to make sure the back of the building was sealed Secret Service agents are already at the back of the building when Sgt Harkness arrives; they are not asked for, nor do they provide ID Harkness returns to Inspector Sawyer, who orders Harkness to search a nearby freight car "several officers" were in the railroad tracks area along with two long freight trains, Harkness says "tramps and hoboes" are removed from the train by Harkness and taken to DPD headquarters There is confusion over whether witness Euins identified shooters on the 5th or 6th floor; at first Harkness recalls that it was the 5th floor; after suggestion from WC attorney Belin, Harkness insists it was his "mistake" to claim the 5th floor as it was in reality the 6th floor Sgt Harkness now reveals he talked with witness Arnold Rowland who saw a man walking around with a high powered rifle in the TSBD On Saturday, Harkness sees Jack Ruby near the entrance to the jail, Sgt Harkness says On Sunday, Harkness is off duty but calls Capt Fritz to say he saw Ruby near the jail on Saturday Harkness says he knew who Ruby was from working traffic downtown, but does not know him personally Harkness says witness Euins could not identify the race nor gender of the shooter he saw at TSBD Harkness has difficulty indicating whether he wants to read and sign the court reporter's transcript of the deposition and asks, "what has most of them been doing," before finally deciding to waive his right to review his testimony CONCERNS This is yet another quick and un-scrutinized testimony that lacks many details, but overall Harkness seems to have a coherent story; everything he says sounds reasonable What did Harkness see around the railroad tracks area in terms of specific officers and activity? Harkness is here twice: in the immediate seconds after shots were fired and then again AFTER he drops off witness Euins with Inspector Sawyer. It's disturbing that Euins is potentially an historically important witness yet Harkness cannot remember the details around what he said; in particular we wonder what floor Euins really indicated? Who are the Secret Service agents Harkness discovers at the back of the TSBD? Are they Secret Service agents or is this evidence of deployed law enforcement imposters? Why doesn't the WC attorney Belin take an interest in the TSBD Secret Service agents? Harkness does not mention the Rowland testimony in the same inflammatory details as Deputy Craig, i.e. that there was more than one person on the 6th floor and that they were towards the west of the building. Is this deliberate or sloppy note-taking? Why is Sgt Harkness so flippant towards those caught at the crime scene he calls "tramps and hoboes," such that he apparently knows nothing else about them? Is Ruby's sighting by Harkness on Saturday just an observant and lucky cop's skills at work? It is so convenient that we wonder if this whole Ruby interlude represents information that needed to be put in the record - so they were stapled on to the story Harkness was assigned to give? Maybe they needed to at the last minute try to establish that Ruby had been stalking Oswald? Why is Harkness not asked to pinpoint the time of his movements on 22November more precisely? Overall Harkness seems like what I now see has kind of a standard DPD cop's testimony. There is nothing to challenge him from the WC attorney and he is allowed to get some apparently essential specific facts on record, then leave. Most potentially explosive here are the Secret Service agents at the TSBD. 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Jason Ward Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 12:26 PM, Paul Trejo said: Jason, ... In my quick review, that limits it to those marked in purple above. Here's my new list of 14 Dallas Police employees -- and I think this is a manageable number: ... DPD Traffic and Accident – Foot Patrol (3): Welcome Barnett, ... To summarize my request, Jason -- may we please place these 14, plus Deputy Roger Craig, highest in the queue at this time? If so, please place Deputy Craig next. All best, --Paul Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 16: DPD Officer Welcome Barnett Welcome Eugene Barnett, age 32: 8 Years experience DPD 22NOV63 assigned to crowd control at Elm & Houston along with officers J.D. Smith and E.L. Smith (unsure of 2nd officer Smith's first name/initials) Officer Barnett identifies his position as No.1 on exhibit 354 Barnett finds no use for instructions about watching building windows and says it is just something "you always do" Area windows on building were scanned once or twice around 11am but not anytime later due to Barnett's total engagement with other assigned duties Barnett now corrects his earlier testimony and says he was at position 9 on exhibit 354 "No I didn't hear any echo. The whole sound echoed," Barnett says. Officer Barnett noticed DPD officers on the triple overpass at the time of the assassination Barnett could not tell where the first shot came from and thought it was a firecracker; the second shot he was sure came from "high," and the third shot he thought came from the TSBD No windows are seen open at the TSBD, according to Barnett Barnett runs to the back door of the TSBD, down Houston St, expecting a shooter to use a fire escape Officers are seen searching the railroad cars and generally searching to the West Barnett believes he is the only one covering the TSBD as other officers look elsewhere 2.5 minutes after last shot, Barnett is back at No. 8 on exhibit 354, at Elm & Houston Sgt Howard orders Barnett to find out the building name, which he does by running to the front of TSBD; he then returns to the sergeant with the info The front door of the TSBD remains unguarded for 3 minutes "at the most" a "construction worker" announces to Barnett he has seen a man with a rifle shooting from "the window" Barnett and "the" sergeant scramble for both the front and rear exits of the TSBD - again From 3 minutes (at the most) after the last shot until 3pm, Barnett is at the door of TSBD with officer JD Smith controlling access, Barnett says For "sometime" no one left the TSBD except "city, county, and federal workers" Barnett has no contact with Oswald Barnett hears "other officers" who had contact with Oswald at the TSBD Barnett offers his opinion that it is "impossible" for the shots to be from the triple overpass area because for the shots to "hang" in the air they must be from high up WC attorney Liebeler gets Barnett to agree that "the responsibility of control in that area would be the job of the motorcycle riders and the Secret Service." Barnett reiterates he has been trained to look at building windows during motorcades but says it would take too long to have been reminded of this on 22 November 1963 CONCERNS Barnett is defensive in this deposition - against, it seems, any implication that he needed reminding of what his duties were during a presidential motorcade, for example: scanning for open windows This is chaotic testimony and Barnett is not made to clarify his exact movements in sequence; in particular it is unclear how often, when and why he and/or Sgt Howard ran between the back and front doors of the TSBD. It is conceivable he circumnavigated the TSBD, but this is unknown. ~3 minutes between the last shot and a sealed TSBD front door, as claimed by Barnett, is the most aggressive timeline we've heard so far, although he admits there was a short period where people were coming and going. Who is the witness construction worker who sees a gunman in a window? What window? Which building? Which floor? Why are these questions not asked? Unless Officer Barnett is a trained expert in acoustics, why is he testifying about the way a shooter's location is determinable via different sounds made from shooters of different elevations? Did someone give him the word to counteract all the earlier testimony about believing shots came from the triple underpass? After 3pm Barnett disappears from the face of the earth? What else happens that weekend that Barnett witnessed? It seems Barnett should be more certain about Marrion Baker's actions that day since Baker comes in and out of the TSBD while we are told Barnett is there - but Barnett does not mention Baker, only Liebeler does....why? No mention of Fritz, Decker, Sawyer....why? Wouldn't he notice when higher ups are in his presence? This very short testimony, like at least the last 3 officers above in this thread, seems well suited to put on record a few key points - even though it simultaneously opens up several questions yearning for clarification. Overall, Barnett is firmly established as a very typical DPD witness with few details offered and none demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jason Ward said: Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 16: DPD Sgt. Harkness (age 42) <SNIP> CONCERNS This is yet another quick and un-scrutinized testimony that lacks many details, but overall Harkness seems to have a coherent story; everything he says sounds reasonable What did Harkness see around the railroad tracks area in terms of specific officers and activity? Harkness is here twice: in the immediate seconds after shots were fired and then again AFTER he drops off witness Euins with Inspector Sawyer. It's disturbing that Euins is potentially an historically important witness yet Harkness cannot remember the details around what he said; in particular we wonder what floor Euins really indicated? Who are the Secret Service agents Harkness discovers at the back of the TSBD? Are they Secret Service agents or is this evidence of deployed law enforcement imposters? Why doesn't the WC attorney Belin take an interest in the TSBD Secret Service agents? Harkness does not mention the Rowland testimony in the same inflammatory details as Deputy Craig, i.e. that there was more than one person on the 6th floor and that they were towards the west of the building. Is this deliberate or sloppy note-taking? Why is Sgt Harkness so flippant towards those caught at the crime scene he calls "tramps and hoboes," such that he apparently knows nothing else about them? Is Ruby's sighting by Harkness on Saturday just an observant and lucky cop's skills at work? It is so convenient that we wonder if this whole Ruby interlude represents information that needed to be put in the record - so they were stapled on to the story Harkness was assigned to give? Maybe they needed to at the last minute try to establish that Ruby had been stalking Oswald? Why is Harkness not asked to pinpoint the time of his movements on 22November more precisely? Overall Harkness seems like what I now see has kind of a standard DPD cop's testimony. There is nothing to challenge him from the WC attorney and he is allowed to get some apparently essential specific facts on record, then leave. Most potentially explosive here are the Secret Service agents at the TSBD. Jason, Here's my response to your well-considered concerns: 1. I'm far more suspicious of DPD motorcycle Sgt. David Harkness. His story does not add up in my opinion -- mainly because he takes great care to omit TIMING from his story. Also, the TIMING that he implies fails to match the WC testimony we have from others, and fails to match the DPD radio log. 2. How long did it take for Harkness to look around on Industrial street (behind the TSBD)? Let's presume that he saw there except other DPD officers (as everybody else saw) -- but how long was he there? Then, he drove to the front of the TSBD and to into the County parking lot behind the picket fence. Let's presume that he saw nothing there except other DPD officers (as everybody else saw) -- but how long before he encountered the eye-witness, 15-year old Amos Euins? Finally, he took Amos Euins to see Inspector Sawyer and the DPD logs indicate 12:36 -- only 6 minutes after the JFK killing. 3. Amos Euins is the KEY. Harkness probably knows the JFK plot and its plan to frame Oswald by using Oswald's own rifle on the 6th floor. It will take about 45 minutes to set up -- requiring coordination of DPD officers and deputies to secretly do this. Euins is a problem because he is an eye-witness who comes forward with a tacit demand for Dallas cops to search the 5th/6th floors IMMEDIATELY. This is bad. So, Harkness sends Euins to his superior -- Inspector Sawyer -- who sees the problem is over his head, so he immediately calls a senior plotter, Dallas SS agent, Forrest Sorrels. Sorrels takes charge of Euins, delaying rightful action as long as possible. Amos Euins became a pressing problem for Harkness, Sawyer, Sorrels, Decker and Fritz well after Oswald was arrested. 4. In my view, there were no Secret Service agents in back of the TSBD. Dallas cop Joe Marshall Smith claimed that a suspect showed him a Secret Service ID near the porch of the Grassy Knoll -- so he let him go. Harkness is now committing perjury in order to emphasize that the TSBD back door was fully covered. He accidentally identified other conspirators -- then stopped himself cold. He says nothing more about it. 5. The WC attorneys also say nothing more about it. For me, this proves that the WC attorneys knew for a fact that the Dallas Police and Deputies had killed JFK. 6. Harkness deliberately downplays the eye-witness testimony of Arnold Rowland, who saw more than one person on the 6th floor, with rifles, towards the west of the building. These were other conspirators, yet Rowland was easily talked out of his position. He is irrelevant now. 7. Harkness is flippant about the "tramps and hoboes" that he marched to the County jail because they interrupted his well-considered plans that day. From everything I've read about the "tramps and hoboes," they really were "tramps and hoboes." I see no need to drag in "professional hit men" or "CIA mechanics" into the JFK killing. Using Occam's Razor, I find the full JFK conspiracy to consist of Dallas officials, period, including the best sharpshooters in Texas. 8. It seems to me that the Ruby sighting by Harkness is merely a distraction -- to change the subject -- otherwise it might return to Amos Euins. A lot of people saw Ruby around the DPD that weekend -- inside and outside. It's a distraction, IMHO, simply in order to change the topic and muddy the waters. 9. The fact that Harkness is allowed to get away with this sloppy WC testimony is further evidence to me that the WC attorneys were generally aware that the Dallas Police and Deputies killed JFK, and they were also committed to blaming Lee Harvey Oswald for all of it -- just in order to prevent the public from blaming the FPCC Communists for any of it (i.e. to avoid nuclear war) -- and also to hide the fact that the USA during the Cold War was internally fractured due to its own Radical Right wing. The USSR must never become aware of this Truth -- even at the expense of lying to the American public for 50 years. All best, --Paul Edited April 3, 2018 by Paul Trejo typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said: ...-- just in order to prevent the public from blaming the FPCC Communists for any of it (i.e to avoid nuclear war) Hi Paul, Perhaps it will illuminate the assassination conspirators if we take your comment as a reason to look at the contest to control the public impact of JFK's death? You say the WC did not want to blame the FPCC Communists. But who did? ... that's exactly who FBI agent James Hosty blames for Kennedy's death. Hosty's bitter towards the WC because instead of finding a global communist conspiracy, they blamed a Lone Nut. Why's Hosty so passionate about this? 1. From an interview FBI Agent [H]osty gives in 2006 to a retiree group: 2. Hosty implies that Oliver Stone is protecting Castro in the assassination: 3. Hosty says "they," meaning the political left in the United States, were ready to unfairly blame Gen Walker: 4. Hosty reveals his CT: Oswald killed Kennedy in service of Castro: ===FBI Agent James Hosty (Steve Thomas posted this link on another thread) http://www.nleomf.org/assets/pdfs/nlem/oral-histories/FBI_Hosty_interview.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Jason Ward said: Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 16: DPD Officer Welcome Barnett (32) CONCERNS Barnett is defensive in this deposition - against, it seems, any implication that he needed reminding of what his duties were during a presidential motorcade, for example: scanning for open windows This is chaotic testimony and Barnett is not made to clarify his exact movements in sequence; in particular it is unclear how often, when and why he and/or Sgt Howard ran between the back and front doors of the TSBD. It is conceivable he circumnavigated the TSBD, but this is unknown. ~3 minutes between the last shot and a sealed TSBD front door, as claimed by Barnett, is the most aggressive timeline we've heard so far, although he admits there was a short period where people were coming and going. Who is the witness construction worker who sees a gunman in a window? What window? Which building? Which floor? Why are these questions not asked? Unless Officer Barnett is a trained expert in acoustics, why is he testifying about the way a shooter's location is determinable via different sounds made from shooters of different elevations? Did someone give him the word to counteract all the earlier testimony about believing shots came from the triple underpass? After 3pm Barnett disappears from the face of the earth? What else happens that weekend that Barnett witnessed? It seems Barnett should be more certain about Marrion Baker's actions that day since Baker comes in and out of the TSBD while we are told Barnett is there - but Barnett does not mention Baker, only Liebeler does....why? No mention of Fritz, Decker, Sawyer....why? Wouldn't he notice when higher ups are in his presence? This very short testimony, like at least the last 3 officers above in this thread, seems well suited to put on record a few key points - even though it simultaneously opens up several questions yearning for clarification. Overall, Barnett is firmly established as a very typical DPD witness with few details offered and none demanded. Jason, Here's my response to your concerns about DPD Patrolman, Welcome Barnett. 1. Barnett is defensive in this deposition because he has a lot to hide. He was right there next to the TSBD all during the JFK parade and the JFK shooting. Multiple witnesses standing close to him gave sworn affidavits that they saw one or more men with rifles on the 5th and 6th floors of the TSBD building. His attitude was, "I'm the professional! Don't lecture me about watching windows during a Presidential parade!" This is a guilty conscience speaking. 2. His testimony is that he covered the back and then the front of the TSBD building. 3. Barnett will claim that if the last shot at JFK was at 12:30 pm, then the TSBD was completely sealed by 12:33 pm. Yet we know from Inspector Herbert Sawyer -- the official in charge -- that the TSBD was officially sealed off at 12:45 pm. Barnett, anyway, allows a 3 minute gap for Oswald to flee the TSBD building. 4. In my view, the WC attorneys failed to ask more about the "construction worker" eye-witness, because the WC had already questioned him: Howard Brennan. Photos show him sitting near the corner of Houston and Elm wearing a hard-hat when JFK drove by. Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor of the TSBD, in the most southeast window, with a rifle. He saw the final shot exploding. His witness should be more widely perused, because he denied that the man looked like Lee Harvey Oswald. Perhaps for this reason the WC attorneys let it slide. 5. In my view, Barnett makes claims about sound origins and echoes, only in order to deflect from his guilty conscience -- he was standing right under the firing position for more than an hour at the corner of Houston and Elm, where several eye-witnesses reported seeing one or more men in the TSBD window with a rifle! His denial that he saw anything is ludicrous. Howard Brennan was a football throw from Officer Barnett; so was Amos Euins, so was Arnold Rowland; so was Carolyn Walther; so was Marion Meharg, and so was Randolf Carr. (BTW, I forgot long ago that Randolf Carr also saw a man run from the TSBD into a car with a colored driver minutes after the JFK shooting.) Yet Barnett claims that he saw nothing in any TSBD window. Nothing, nothing..."at the most" this construction worker said something about it; that's all I know. 6. Then Barnett sealed off the TSBD front door, he claims, and at 3pm he went home for the weekend. All in a day's work. 7. Why doesn't Barnett say anything about motorcycle cop Marrion Baker speeding to the TSBD after the first few seconds of the JFK shooting? His alibi is clear -- he ran to the back of the TSBD to watch the fire escape, to ensure that nobody came from there. According to Barnett, for the first three minutes after the JFK murder, he watched the back of the TSBD, including the fire escape, like a hawk. Nobody came down, so Randolf Carr must be mistaken. 8. In my opinion, Welcome Barnett fails to mention Captain Fritz, Sheriff Decker or Inspector Sawyer because he was in denial -- these were, after all, the same men who led the JFK plot. 9. It seems to me that the specific role of Welcome Barnett was to provide sworn testimony that the DPD was well in control of the TSBD withing a few minutes of the JFK shooting, and that the rear of the building was well-watched immediately, so that Randolf Carr and Marion Meharg -- who claim to have seen a man escape from the rear and into a car -- could not be correct. There were no Oswald Accomplices -- PERIOD. All best, --Paul Edited April 4, 2018 by Paul Trejo typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Jason Ward said: Hi Paul, Perhaps it will illuminate the assassination conspirators if we take your comment as a reason to look at the contest to control the public impact of JFK's death? You say the WC did not want to blame the FPCC Communists. But who did? ... that's exactly who FBI agent James Hosty blames for Kennedy's death. Hosty's bitter towards the WC because instead of finding a global communist conspiracy, they blamed a Lone Nut. Why's Hosty so passionate about this? 1. From an interview FBI Agent [H]osty gives in 2006 to a retiree group: 2. Hosty implies that Oliver Stone is protecting Castro in the assassination:3. Hosty says "they," meaning the political left in the United States, were ready to unfairly blame Gen Walker:4. Hosty reveals his CT: Oswald killed Kennedy in service of Castro... Jason, Thanks for pointing out that James Hosty continued for the rest of his life to claim that the JFK Assassination was a Communist Plot. Hosty did not belabor that point to the Warren Commission -- but privately he did. By contrast, several WC witnesses insisted to the WC that the Communists killed JFK -- so they challenged the WC for interrogating the Dallas Right wing. I cite WC witnesses like General Walker, Robert Alan Surrey, Robert Krause, Bernard Weissman, Revilo P. Oliver, and many more. The tell-tale sign that Dallas FBI agent James Hosty was inside the JFK plot is, IMHO, revealed in his book, Assignment Oswald (1996) in which he rails from the beginning to the middle to the end of his book, that Lee Harvey Oswald knew KGB assassin Valeriy Kostikov, and met him in Mexico City -- thereby proving the Communist Plot. This is where the genius of Jim Garrison comes front and center. Garrison showed that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Fake Communist, and he was the leader of a Fake FPCC in New Orleans. Garrison also showed that Lee Harvey Oswald traveled to Mexico City with Fake Communist credentials, prepared with help from Guy Banister and his crew at 544 Camp Street. It is impossible, in my view, that Dallas FBI agent James Hosty was ignorant of these facts -- and so his stubborn insistence that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Real Communist is transparent dishonesty. All best, --Paul Edited April 4, 2018 by Paul Trejo typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 12 hours ago, Paul Trejo said: ...will take about 45 minutes to set up -- requiring coordination of DPD officers and deputies ... Hi Paul, 45 minutes after the shooting, plus, according to the Rowlands, at least 15 minutes before the shooting means at least an hour of secure 6th floor access is needed. Marrion Baker and Truly are prancing through twice on their way to and from the roof. Someone from the TSBD has to be involved, at least in keeping the floor secure pre-ambush and getting the shooter(s) party in the building - which were at least 2 men, the Rowlands say. Truly? Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jason Ward said: Hi Paul, 45 minutes after the shooting, plus, according to the Rowlands, at least 15 minutes before the shooting means at least an hour of secure 6th floor access is needed. Marrion Baker and Truly are prancing through twice on their way to and from the roof. Someone from the TSBD has to be involved, at least in keeping the floor secure pre-ambush and getting the shooter(s) party in the building - which were at least 2 men, the Rowlands say. Truly? Jason No, no, not Truly. No TSBD employees were directly involved in the JFK Assassination, in my reading. The exception would be Lee Harvey Oswald. His suspicious behavior early that morning, plus the Dallas police possession of his rifle was enough to turn his own brother against him. LHO was no JFK shooter, but he clearly mixed with the wrong crowd. All best, --Paul Edited April 4, 2018 by Paul Trejo typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Paul Trejo said: No, no, not Truly. No TSBD employees were directly involved in the JFK Assassination, in my reading. The exception would be Lee Harvey Oswald. His suspicious behavior early that morning, plus the Dallas police possession of his rifle was enough to turn his own brother against him. LHO was no JFK shooter, but he clearly mixed with the wrong crowd. All best, --Paul Hi Paul, I think too many of us get sidetracked into details that often gain a life of their own. While I am suspicious that so much activity at the TSBD implies some assurance of privacy for the conspirators in the form of a TSBD helper, all details do not have to be addressed for the big answer to be addressed in the assassination. Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 17: DPD Officer Joe Smith Joe Marshall Smith, age 32: 8 years experience DPD; currently traffic control 22NOV63: Elm & Houston at about 11am; sees male epileptic seizure as about 12pm assisted by unknown DPD officer Joined by fellow officers W E Barnett & E L Smith at Elm & Houston Officer Smith did not notice any unusual activity at the TSBD or at the windows of surrounding buildings Upon hearing shots, Smith has "no idea" where they came from, but an unknown woman says they are shooting "from the bushes" Smith examines the bushes & pergola running between Elm and the less-used continuation of Elm in front of the TSBD that leads to a parking lot by and on some disused railroad tracks Smith personally checks "all" the cars in the parking lot behind the grassy knoll, west of the TSBD Smith is joined by a "Secret Service man" and a sheriff's deputy in this search of cars and bushes, he says Smith instinctively had his gun drawn when he was confronted with a Secret Service man who "showed me who he was" 2 DPD officers are seen by Smith on the triple overpass 15 to 20 minutes spent searching cars, the parking lot, and railroad track area, Smith says An unidentified deputy sheriff in street clothes tells Officer Smith that shots were fired from the TSBD Smith and Barnett proceed to the TSBD front door, forbidding any movement in or out unless approved by "the chief" Sgt Howard or Sgt Harkness ordered Smith to the TSBD front door, Smith says, but then suddenly retracts that and says Deputy Chief Lumpkin ordered him to the TSBD front door "it must have been after 1," when Smith sealed the front door of the TSBD, he says Smith admits only police officers, FBI agents, and the Dallas Fire Department to the TSBD, he says When asked if he knows Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, DPD Officer Sith responds, "I saw him a few minutes," but when asked if Smith saw Sorrells around the TSBD, Marshall says, "I don't remember." Chief Lumpkin orders Smith relieved from duty at 2:30 WC Attorney Liebeler asks Smith about the traffic pattern in Dealey Plaza; Officer Smith says that the streets merge and it should have been possible for the motorcade to continue straight down Main St and then enter Stemmons Freeway without turning right on Houston and left on Elm CONCERNS: Officer Smith comes across as a thoughtful, detailed, and literate witness. His responsiveness is unusual among the DPD witnesses and this is a resource I would look to for more information. The big glaring take away from his testimony is around time; in particular: What time was the TSBD really sealed off? Smith says it was after 1pm when he and Barnett sealed the building; OTOH, DPD Officer Welcome Barnett testifies (above in this thread) that the TSBD remained unsealed for no longer than 3 minutes after the gun shots. Smith and Barnett present dramatically different versions of the sequence of events leading to their assumption of guard duty at the front door of the TSBD. Smith says he on his own initiative began searching the bushes and parked cars around the TSBD, but then was ordered to guard the front door along with Barnett after perhaps 25 minutes of searching. OTOH, DPD Officer Barnett presents himself running back and forth once or twice between the front and back doors of the TSBD; assuming guard duty at the TSBD front door within 3 minutes. Both Smith and Barnett mention unidentified Secret Service officers - at the TSBD back door and at the western parking lot area. In my view, Officer Smith is or wants to be an honest witness; which in turn means that Officer Barnett is dishonest. Why is their testimony so different? Is Smith not part of the coverup and not actively participating in a theorized master story promulgated by DPD leadership? I suggest analyzing Smith and Barnett in detail in all they say about the assassination to the WC and elsewhere. The contrasts here could illuminate clues. Does Smith go on to a long happy career? Who is the Secret Service man helping Smith search cars? What specifically makes Smith so sure they are Secret Service? Do they show ID? Smith's testimony around Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels is suspicious. I wonder if Smith not only saw Sorrels at the TSBD but also has some detailed knowledge of what Sorrels was doing there? WC Attorney Liebeler IMO is the most assertive of any staffer in getting important conspiracy information into the permanent record. In this case, Liebeler for inexplicable reasons elicits testimony from Officer Smith concerning the street layout of Dealey Plaza and the possible routes to Stemmons Freeway. There is no reason Smith should be testifying about this other than, perhaps, Liebeler's perception that this is a man who naturally wants to tell the truth. This information about street patterns and traffic routes presents an open question for all posterity - in part because Liebeler uses Smith as a vehicle to make sure this an open historical question. In my opinion, office Smith is a *star* witness; one of the most valuable in the police testimony we've seen so far. 1. DPD officer Joe Marshall Smith; apparently he sees later promotions? 2. This picture from The Lancer files seems to corroborate Smith's testimony of searching the foliage between the TSBD and Elm 3. DPD Officer Smith's tombstone in Mesquite, Texas: 4. Officer Smith and Chief Curry on the Secret Service man encountered by Smith: Explained Officer Smith: He looked like an auto mechanic. He had on a sports shirt and sports pants. But he had dirty fingernails, it looked like, and hands that looked like an auto mechanic's hands. And afterwards it didn't ring true for the Secret Service. At the time we were so pressed for time, and we were searching. And he had produced correct identification, and we just overlooked the thing. I should have checked that man closer, but at the time I didn't snap on it. (Summers 50) Former Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry stated in 1977 that the man encountered by Officer Smith "must have been bogus." Said Curry, "I think he must have been bogus-- certainly the suspicion would point to the man as being involved, some way or other, in the shooting since he was in an area immediately adjacent to where the shots were--and the fact that he had a badge that purported him to be Secret Service would make it seem all the more suspicious." (Summers 51) {Source items 1 & 3 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56885285/joe-marshall-smith {Source items 2 & 4: Michael Smith at JFK Lancer http://www.jfklancer.com/ManWho.html Edited April 4, 2018 by Jason Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mervyn Hagger Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 12:42 AM, Paul Trejo said: There is a weak consensus among CTers that since Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot at JFK, then he "could not have" shot at General Walker, as if there is some real connection between the two. I have maintained for six years on this Forum that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't one of the JFK shooters -- nevertheless, he certainly was one of two shooters at General Walker. My material evidence for this claim, ironically, comes from General Walker himself, in a letter he wrote to Senator Frank Church in 1975. Here is the letter: http://www.pet880.com/images/19750623_EAW_to_Frank_Church.pdf It is precisely because of the content of this letter that General Walker tracked Lee Harvey Oswald from April 1963 through November 1963, including the Mexico City episode. General Walker, I propose, planned both the deaths of JFK and of Lee Harvey Oswald to occur on 11/22/1963. All best, --Paul Hi Paul, I have joined this read - after posting a related thread concerning Walker. I must say that I don't get your 'take' from this Walker letter, but I do like the question posed by him at the end of his letter to which he received no reply. My reason for liking his question has to do with why Walker ended up in Dallas after quitting the Army. He was accused of promoting the agenda of the John Birch Society to troops stationed in West Germany, but his accuser was not the US Army, but a National Enquirer type tabloid called 'Overseas Weekly'. In his rebuttal before resigning, Walker provided the press with a response that took up one and half broadsheet pages in a daily US newspaper. Walker named names. He accused Eugene Bernald who operated Pan American Broadcasting Company which was affiliated to the publisher of the 'Overseas Weekly' of being behind the smear. Why this important is because Eugene Bernald represented the CIA 'front' stations of Radio Swan (later Radio Americas), and Radio Elizabethville in Kantanga (Congo). Both stations also carried 'The World Tomorrow'. Why that is of importance is found in my co-authored academic article which may be read here: http://foundthreads.com/09.html It would seem that the key is in Walker's question about the CIA, and in Walker's accusation that Eugene Bernald was behind the smear to bring him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said: ... about the CIA, and in Walker's accusation that Eugene Bernald was behind the smear to bring him down. Hi Mervyn, One interesting fact to me is that Walker and the JBS and the Minutemen are all full speed ahead with promoting a conspiracy explanation for the assassination of JFK. Their twist is, I believe, the communists did it, but the CIA helped them cover it up. Walker thinks of himself as both the target of communist aggression and US government aggression from the Kennedy brothers and the communist infiltrated CIA, it seems. Please see my post about Hosty a couple notches up - he typifies the Right's thoughts on the assassination, IMO. Bernald's 2000 obituary talks a little bit about Overseas Weekly and the Birchers: SOURCE: http://obits.lohud.com/obituaries/lohud/obituary.aspx?n=eugene-bernald&pid=148823391 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jason Ward said: Hi Mervyn, One interesting fact to me is that Walker and the JBS and the Minutemen are all full speed ahead with promoting a conspiracy explanation for the assassination of JFK. Their twist is, I believe, the communists did it, but the CIA helped them cover it up. Walker thinks of himself as both the target of communist aggression and US government aggression from the Kennedy brothers and the communist infiltrated CIA, it seems. Please see my post about Hosty a couple notches up - he typifies the Right's thoughts on the assassination, IMO. Bernald's 2000 obituary talks a little bit about Overseas Weekly and the Birchers: SOURCE: http://obits.lohud.com/obituaries/lohud/obituary.aspx?n=eugene-bernald&pid=148823391 Hi Jason. Yes I came across this single obit - there do not seem to be other reports in other publications. I do have a subscription to newspaper archives and that is where I discovered and read Walker's response in essence, to Eugene Bernald. Now that was strange because Bernald was not the publisher of Overseas Weekly and I am having a great difficulty unravelling the history of Pan American Broadcasting Corporation. 'The World Tomorrow' was a strange quasi-political program wrapped inside a religious message, but it was a half hour of talk and not a religious church service. That program was the underpinning of the entire pop music 'explosion' via offshore radio broadcasting to the UK in the Sixties. But back in 1951, before the Cold War became freezing, Bernald had managed to promote the Lutheran Layman's League program 'Bringing Christ to the Nations' on stations behind the Iron Curtain. That program also began in Tangier on another base used by CIA for broadcasting and its chief promoter was the head of General Motors. So I am not following either Walker or especially the antics of the John Birch Society, but because I already have a lot of related information that ties my theme to Gordon McLendon and Clint Murchison, and their involvement with what I believe to be broadcasting 'fronts', what Walker has to say becomes relevant. His comments are interesting because he has been written off by many as a right-wing nutcase, but when you read what the man had to say it comes across as a reasonable point of view. The Overseas Weekly remains a strange entity modeled on National Enquirer (which I have also researched), and it straddled the fence with Mafia interests that walked hand in glove with CIA interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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