Steve Thomas Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Upon his supposed return from Mexico on October 3, 1963, Oswald checked into the YMCA. For his address, Oswald listed Toro, Ca. (20H192) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=212&tab=page What do you think, is the significance of this? From Mary Ferrell's Chronologies: Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Reminds me of Nagall’s attempt to avoid getting caught-up in the upcoming operation. In Oswald’s case he is trying associate himself with the Navy, in case someone wants to make a patsy out of him. Just the first thing that came to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Steve: Besides this, what is the evidence he was there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Steve, October 3, 1963 is the very evening that more than a dozen witnesses saw Oswald at radio station KOPY in Alice, TX (hundreds of miles south of Dallas) and in nearby Freer. Some of these witnesses saw him with a wife and young child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 12 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Steve: Besides this, what is the evidence he was there? Jim, I don't know of any other records that show Oswald was at the YMCA on October 3rd. In Mary Ferrell's Chronologies, she writes that Lee did not call Marina that day and wonders why. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40391#relPageId=153&tab=page He does go to the Texas Unemployment Commission, is interviewed by a Harry Sanderson, and files an unemployment claim. They closed at 4:30 each day. FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 118 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40391#relPageId=153&tab=page Oswald 201 File, Vol 3, Folder 9A, Part 2 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95615&relPageId=90&search=TEC FBI interview of Harry Sanderson. Harry Sanderson processed an unemployment claim for Oswald on October 3, 1963. Why the word "Service" appears on his YMCA receipt: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hulen.htm Mr. JENNER. And the last in this series is dated October 3, 1963, and in this instance it is in the name of Lee H. Oswald, and it shows an address, whereas, none of the other of the first four had an address, and the address is listed here as Toro [spelling] T-o-r-o, Calif. [Spelling] C-a-l. I notice something on the first of the series which I notice again on this one of October 3, 1963, which is the printing on the line, entitled, "Membership fees," and there is the word written in longhand, "service." That's true of the first and the last of these receipts--what does that indicate? Mr. HULEN. That indicates that he was a serviceman and that, in my opinion, that waives the membership fee. The first receipt is for the night of October 15, 1962 (This is page 190 of vol. 20) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=210&tab=page Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 On the same evening of Oct. 3, 1963 and the next day: Oswald in Aliceland? A Tale of Two Days: A Tale of Two Oswalds by Chris W. Courtwright Presented to JFK Lancer's *November in Dallas* Conference on November 21, 1997 Approximately 17 witnesses place Oswald in and around Alice, Texas on the evening of Oct. 3 and the following day. According to Google Maps, Alice, Texas is 393 miles south of Dallas. Chris Courtwright's write-up is here. Another write-up by Dave Reitzes is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Oswald first went to KOPY the evening of Oct 3, the same evening he supposedly registered at the YMCA nearly 400 miles to the north. He returned to the radio station the following day. That visit actually was the basis of a widely published Associated Press report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Jim, thanks for your continued, always fascinating posts. They are invaluable. HARVEY AND LEE is one of the books that was a paradigm changer for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Thanks, Joe. The kind words are most appreciated. The period from the last few days of September to the earliest days of October 1963 is the only time I can think of when even two Oswalds may not be sufficient to explain all that happened. In barely a week, we have an “Oswald”: supposedly returning to Texas from Mexico City checking into the downtown Dallas YWCA wandering around Alice and environs, 400 miles from Dallas visiting the Texas Employment Commission trying to purchase rifles from Robert McKeown, Castro’s arms supplier visiting Sylvia Odio No doubt there are other things I’m forgetting from this very period. It’s clear, though, that the plot to establish the patsy was now in overdrive. The purpose of the Alice area encounters has always eluded me. Perhaps it was just to create a “fog” of evidence making a cohesive analysis impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 On 10/26/2019 at 9:41 AM, Steve Thomas said: Upon his supposed return from Mexico on October 3, 1963, Oswald checked into the YMCA. For his address, Oswald listed Toro, Ca. (20H192) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=212&tab=page What do you think, is the significance of this? From Mary Ferrell's Chronologies: Steve Thomas Just passing thoughts. Whether Oswald went to Mexico or not, or another O was in Alice instead of Dallas... I guess the YMCA required or at least asked for an ID? Might he have used an old Military ID with Toro on it, if he didn't want to reveal his real address to anyone? Also I've read Ruby used to work out at the YMCA. Might he, Oswald or others have ever rented a room to meet to discuss business discreetly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 American-born Lee Oswald was the one who was stationed at the Marine Corps Air Station at El Toro in the late 1950s. For part of that time, Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was at the much smaller Marine Corps Air Facility in Santa Ana, only about ten miles away. Some researchers, as well as some Warren Commission staffers, didn’t realize these were two different facilities. Five years before the assassination, in November 1958, Lee Oswald opened a bank account at the West Side State Bank in Ft. Worth and listed his address as the Marine Corps Air Station in El Toro. Why this same Oswald would list his address as “Toro” in 1963 is a mystery. We believe the American-born Lee Oswald worked extensively with Jack Ruby in the summer and fall of 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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