Matt Allison Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: NEW: Pelosi assailant shouted "where is Nancy" before the attack, a source briefed on the attack on her husband Paul Pelosi tells CNN's As we continue through this hellscape, everyone will eventually realize that MAGA is a domestic terrorist movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 The latest Live updates: Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's husband, attacked at couple's home | CNN Politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1586026106561306625 Ana Cabrera @AnaCabrera NEW: Pelosi assailant shouted "where is Nancy" before the attack, a source briefed on the attack on her husband Paul Pelosi tells CNN's @jamiegangel OMG Steve Thomas Another Trump enraged nut doing his thing against Trump's enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: Another Trump enraged nut doing his thing against Trump's enemies. So far the info I found says he's -exBerkeley Student -born in Canadian -Was Best man at a nudist wedding -Made hemp jewelry for a living -911 truther Clearly sounds like a text book Ultra Dark Maga Supporter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Mathew, Has the MAGA media accused Nancy of hiring a hit man yet? Please keep us apprised. 🤥 Mathew, Thanks for the latest MAGA-verse update. They're pushing the "loony lib" angle, eh? Do you have a link for your "hemp jewelry" trope? Paul Pelosi’s Alleged Attacker’s Facebook Page Filled With 2020 Election Conspiracies, Reports Say Paul Pelosi’s Alleged Attacker’s Facebook Page Filled With 2020 Election Conspiracies, Reports Say (forbes.com) October 28, 2022 The man who allegedly attacked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, posted on Facebook about conspiracies related to the 2020 election and Covid-19 pandemic, according to reports–the latest example of a disturbing link between extremism fostered on social media and political violence. KEY FACTS The suspect, 42-year-old David Depape, reposted videos made by My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell — a prominent supporter of former President Donald Trump — which peddled false narratives that the 2020 presidential election was rigged in President Joe Biden’s favor, according to CNN, which confirmed the Facebook account with two of Depape’s relatives. Depape’s Facebook page also reportedly linked to a YouTube video slamming the House select committee investigating the Capitol riots as a “farce commission.” Depape shared links claiming Covid-19 vaccines were killing people and that the pandemic was engineered by those in power to dismantle and control society, a conspiracy known as the “Great Reset.” Edited October 28, 2022 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Mathew, Thanks for the latest MAGA-verse update. They're pushing the "loony lib" angle, eh? Do you have a link for your "hemp jewelry" trope? Paul Pelosi’s Alleged Attacker’s Facebook Page Filled With 2020 Election Conspiracies, Reports Say Sara Dorn Forbes Staff Politics New! Follow this author to stay notified about their latest stories. Got it! Follow Oct 28, 2022,03:09pm EDT Updated Oct 28, 2022, 04:06pm EDT TOPLINE The man who allegedly attacked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, posted on Facebook about conspiracies related to the 2020 election and Covid-19 pandemic, according to reports–the latest example of a disturbing link between extremism fostered on social media and political violence. SAN FRANCISCO, CA - OCTOBER 28: Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) takes measurements around ... [+] ANADOLU AGENCY VIA GETTY IMAGES KEY FACTS The suspect, 42-year-old David Depape, reposted videos made by My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell — a prominent supporter of former President Donald Trump — which peddled false narratives that the 2020 presidential election was rigged in President Joe Biden’s favor, according to CNN, which confirmed the Facebook account with two of Depape’s relatives. Depape’s Facebook page also reportedly linked to a YouTube video slamming the House select committee investigating the Capitol riots as a “farce commission.” Depape shared links claiming Covid-19 vaccines were killing people and that the pandemic was engineered by those in power to dismantle and control society, a conspiracy known as the “Great Reset.” None of the posts reviewed by CNN appeared to reference Pelosi directly, the outlet reported, and it’s unclear what political party Depape identifies with. Most of the troubling posts on Depape’s Facebook–which was removed by the platform on Friday, according to CNN–were from 2021. People who knew Depape said he frequently exhibited disturbing behavior, seemed disconnected from reality, and was estranged from his family in Canada where he grew up, CNN reported. CNN? SF Chronical is calling him a Castro Nudist Gypsy.. https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/live-updates-paul-pelosi-attack-17541903.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) Edited October 28, 2022 by Matthew Koch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Cotter Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 14 hours ago, Chris Barnard said: Thanks, John. Great, well thought out reply. I'll try and work through this i order with my thoughts. I sense we may get into even broader topics. I am just over 40, I don't know if my views will be caste at some stage or whether I'll stay open until my last days. My comments to Kirk were really about my own father and his mind. He was very much set in stone for a long time. Where I critique my own father a little is that the simple cliches like "make your bed in the morning", "people need such little encouragement but they need some", "do not cast pearls before swine" and many others may be conventional wisdom but, its wisdom that needs remembering, refreshing and working at for our whole lives. We all slip at times. Perhaps much of what JP does is remind those who are off course that they are needed. Big tech and MSM propaganda, as well as schooling is putting people of all ages on a bad trajectory. It frustrated me when my father initially rejected Peterson that I could see there was so much for Dad to learn still but, he rejected learning. Perhaps ego is the biggest factor, being an elder in society and assuming the role of the chief or wise old owl. I am certain I have a very different personality to my father and set of tools. Again, perhaps I am unfair as I can't see him at 30 or 35 and how powerful his processing and thoughts were then. I obviously have the tremendous good fortune to have the internet, podcasts, and vastly more information than he did at his peak. The teaching of an old dog new tricks is another cliche but, I know folk from his generation who never stopped learning and reading until their mid 90's. Edward Bernay's for all his sins, was still running is PR practice at 99 years of age, his, mind still very sharp, processing information. Its why I am trying to look after my mind. It's hard for me to judge perhaps half way through my life, as I have no idea how I'll feel at 80 or what my appetite will be. I think with JP, the right v left thing has become the battlefront in interviews. As I have expressed here, I think right v left is just a way to sort us into tribes, its entirely redundant now. As if we take the parties, they are occupying entirely different positions to 60 years ago and we still classify them the same way, nobody noticed they moved as it happened incrementally, and in unison. What's so difficult for JP is that every interviewer makes the discussion about the same things, the controversial points, which puts him on the defensive and the outcome is that we get a lot of the same sound bytes. I think he is very wary of veering off script in such conversations as when he has, instead of being taken in context, its used as a stick to beat him with. FYi I like the thoughts of Thomas Szasz but, if we put him on talk shows today talking about the myth of mental illness, he would be caste as every bit the pariah that Peterson is. Its tough out there as interviewers play identity politics, sorting us into tribes, one side of the other. Which I have stated my theory before that it is part of divide and rule strategy, as the origins are in government and academia, with MSM whipping up the storm of agitation. Where I disagreed with JP most of all was during his ill period. He couldn't see what was happening and wasn't speaking up. As he got better he began to voice about the authoritarian diktats. To me, there are some things that he just doesn't see, or didn't tackle because of the lack of evidence or proof, despite multiple things converging in front of our eyes. As for capitalism and organised religion taking us to where we are today, I feel like its hard to be objective on the topic as we have no comparison without it, and dominance hierarchies that predate the systems are intrinsically linked. I like democracy as a core system in its rawest form (Solon), and much less so much representative democracy. It seems very unclear to me whether its a distortion of the system that yields the result or the system itself, because the human element leads to corruption. The same argument is made about socialism and other systems too. ie we've never seen it working properly. As for religion, I spent most of my life criticising it at every opportunity, that was my fathers position too, his most critical moment was when a priest said something to him something like; if you don't have your boy christened he'll be burned in the fires of hell. People like Stephen Fry has asked the question; what kind of a god creates a parasite that goes into the eyes of children making them blind? I could see very clearly from a youngish age how religion had been used to coerce the masses, people on both sides of conflicts believed in god and believed that god was on their side. It's been very dangerous. Is this the misuse, the human element? I question what would happen in the developing world is there was no faith? Those poor desperate people born with nothing, watching all kinds of horrors, facing starvation, ravished with disease and trauma, where would they be without faith? What would keen them going? I don't have the answers on this. Perhaps if Peterson did do some pieces making the case both ways he would seem more balanced. Though he doesn't disclose it; I suspect faith is important to him, dear to him, and that creates a bias. It separates him, and you and I. One thing is certain to me; I don't need faith/religion, or spiritually to believe in something higher? If I do personality tests I always come out as a 'leader' or 'independent' type. Its unclear to me whether other people might need something when I don't. God has been their leader, and now its party. Its also unclear to me whether conscience is taught or innate. I watch animal behaviour a lot and for the most part I don't see much of it. Without the 10 commandments or the legal; framework of rules that sprang from them, would there be just a survival of the fittest mentality? I can't possibly come to a reasonable conclusion of where we would be without it, it would only be a guess. To reiterate I can see all of the negatives its brought. My concern is a 1984 state, where there is no truth, meaning, and rules that change by the minute. I think without a belief in god it makes it easier for the state to accomplish. I am open minded about it but, this became ever so clear to me during the pandemic when we saw a fear psychosis. You are right, Peterson has been authoritarian on issues, perhaps this is the hypocrisy that we see when anybody talks for long enough. I think we are seeing JP awakening in this respect. He should have seen the corruption in the west long before C19. I guess you and I would like to have seen him as a critic earlier. I am just very glad that someone with such a huge presence is waking up now. Likewise Neil Oliver, who has been a few steps behind me on many things, is now wide awake to all of what we have seen, and I think "good on him", throwing away perhaps much that he has worked for to speak a greater truth. I would suggest there is an idealist in me somewhere beneath the surface and that is why I like JFK so much as a leader. I can see the emergence of that in Dr Robert Malone, Neil Oliver, Peterson and others. Even Russel Brand is calling it out and I used to detest him. As I said to a psychologist friend who agreed, once you see it, you can't unsee it. There is no going back. Regarding mental illness, its unexplained (largely). I can see why it helps big government to gaslight the population, making them think they are mentally ill, and to hide the remedies in plain sight. We have an epidemic of mental illness and we advocate celebrating it. We have an obsession with safety that creates sick minds. Whilst science is nascent, I can't say more than the jury is out. I liked Szasz talk here: Its clear to me that most people can be fixed without meds. 1/5 Americans is now on some kind of mind altering drugs. Also easier for the state to rule (seems Huxley'an).https://www.psychotherapy.net/video/szasz-myth-of-mental-illness I won't touch the vegan topic too much, as such, as I think its is dear to you and I don't wish to cause offence. I have different views and I think wherever we go with it, it will seem paradoxical. I do eat mean and fish, the fish/crustaceans I always catch myself and the meat comes from a local farmer, where mass production farming methods and chemicals are not used. If that makes me lacking a compassion, I am at peace with it. I don't think we would be having this conversation today perhaps without man discovering he can eat bone marrow, and the consumption of fish, obviously some have claims to the contrary. One thing I would question regardless of my position is; why is MSM promoting the idea that we are to eat bugs? Its clear that reducing testosterone in men reduces fertility and the vital chemicals males need to rise up and have a revolution against a tyranny. It seems like another piece to the jigsaw. Some of my good friends are vegan, I know its a very nuanced conversation. What I have noticed in my own body and ageing is that sugar, carbs, bad oils that burn at high temps and possibly lectins seem to be the biggest sinners in diet. Media would have us believe its meat and fat. Its clear the over consumption of food is very detrimental to health. I just weighed myself and I am back to my weight at 23 years of age after a long period of being much heavier. I intermittent fast (16 hours),eat naturally, have cut the sugars as much as possible, and exercise daily. I feel so much better than when I was 25 in many respects. I think there is a huge difference in eating things that are GMO modified, mass farmed and fertilised. I live in a very unique place where this is possible. In Peterson's case, I'd eat meat only too if it cured his daughters mental illness and Rheumatoid Arthritis. Perhaps thats being compassionate to himself and others around him. Its a sub optimal situation each way I look at it. Regarding the global warming, I forget the environmental project he was involved in at length. Its true, he has no qualifications in that domain. Then any scientist speaking out about it has been canceled. Even the ex head of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore. I am incredibly sceptical of the science we are told to trust, as we have seen how much science was bent or corrupted in the past two years to accommodate big corporations. Its the same charitable organisations pushing it hardest, the very same ones that pushed eugenics in the 1930's. In the current climate I always feel I have to clarify my position, as its so tribal. Its a disgrace what is and has been done to the planet, and there certainly needs to be massive changes, but, its clear to me that an honest, necessary cause has been hijacked for profit and as a means to walk the population into a less equitable situation, ie carbon credits and technocracy. Its another part of this convergence IMHO. I think JP's opinion on population has stated repeatedly that the worlds population is set to drop rapidly. I think we could sustain a lot more people by being much started and still maintain the biodiversity. Its clear it can't be done the way its being managed now. We are seeing the fact that people are not replicating in the west will be a significant factor in the dying of this culture. It hasn't escaped my attention all of the factors that are making it drop, addiction to technology, propaganda, and reproductive capacity being destroyed with chemicals and affordable foods/drinks. That isn't accidental. Whether it leads to an outcome that you desire, it doesn't change the fact that the high ups are playing god over us, which I think you may be against. I thin Peterson's crux is that we shouldn't be making young people feel ashamed to be alive. Putting the blame on them or even the uneducated is just wrong. The people who profited from plastics, these chemicals etc knew what they were doing. They have never been accountable. Regarding JP as a messiah for young men; I will make the point that they have zero direction, no heroes, no archetypes of value, nobody setting an example, they are devoid of direction and they don't know who they are. When someone tries to help, its almost a certainty that they will follow. He shouldn't need to do it, it should be done in schooling and academia. Its a thankless task for him, a poisoned chalice and I am certain there is much he won't get right. But, in the face of what we are experiencing, I think he is doing plenty of good. He is after all a human, like you and I, not perfect. Not in response to you, which applies to a lot of this; do some humans need to be ruled? Do they need structures? I don't. Some just seem to follow and others are content with independence and to lead. I certainly don't have the answers and like all of us I can be wrong, John. I thought I'd serve up my perspective, as thats what we do here, share ideas and debate. We can certainly disagree on this without any offence or umbrage taken. Cheers Chris Chris, Many thanks for that reply. I appreciate very much the time and effort you must have put into it and your not taking umbrage at some of the things I said which were somewhat hard-hitting and raw. I was thinking this morning that I should have let my post percolate overnight so that I might take some of the rough edges off it. In criticising religion, I should have said authoritarian religion, not religion per se. Regarding veganism and compassion, the problem is if compassion for sentient beings is one of the main reasons for being vegan, it’s hard to see how one can explain ones position without the inference being drawn that non-vegans are lacking in compassion. The latter is not the intention, and it’s quite obvious that you and many other “carnists” are not lacking in compassion. Regarding overpopulation, I grew up in the countryside in a world where the population was less than half what it is today. That may explain why I feel the world is overpopulated. Through my eyes the natural environment has been enormously degraded by the increased population and the increased “footprint” of the average “consumer” in the relatively affluent country where I live. For example, here in Ireland, “grass fed” beef and dairy monoculture has to a large extent visibly destroyed the unique biodiversity of this small island. Veganism would reduce the amount of land needed to produce the same amount of food by about three quarters, leaving the rest of the land revert to indigenous woodland. I’m sure the same could be said for many other countries – Brazil being an obvious example. Nevertheless, your view on overpopulation is interesting. For the past year or so I’ve been meeting a man of around my age (I’m 68) in the local park where I regularly go for a walk. He’s a retired successful businessman who spends much of the winter in southern Portugal where he has a house and a yacht etc. I met him again today and it struck me afterwards that he’s the only person to whom I’ve spoken in the flesh (ie not on Twitter) who shares my “heretical” views on the covid regime. Sadly, the other people in my life don’t want to know about these views and at best grudgingly tolerate them. He said today more or less what you’ve said about overpopulation. I didn’t demur because to discuss the topic fully would probably detain both of us longer than we’d like. It's an issue – along with others raised in your post – that I probably need to give more thought to. I’m not finished learning yet I hope. I’ll leave it at that for now. I must read your post again and digest it more fully as there’s a lot of food for thought in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Musk, the Chief Twit, will soon learn be careful what you wish for. A principal reason the Education Forum has survived all these years is we have extremely competent and fair moderators. Read this to find out what Musk will face on Twitter. Welcome to hell, Elon - The Verge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Mathew, Thanks for the latest MAGA-verse update. They're pushing the "loony lib" angle, eh? Do you have a link for your "hemp jewelry" trope? Paul Pelosi’s Alleged Attacker’s Facebook Page Filled With 2020 Election Conspiracies, Reports Say Paul Pelosi’s Alleged Attacker’s Facebook Page Filled With 2020 Election Conspiracies, Reports Say (forbes.com) October 28, 2022 The man who allegedly attacked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, posted on Facebook about conspiracies related to the 2020 election and Covid-19 pandemic, according to reports–the latest example of a disturbing link between extremism fostered on social media and political violence. KEY FACTS The suspect, 42-year-old David Depape, reposted videos made by My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell — a prominent supporter of former President Donald Trump — which peddled false narratives that the 2020 presidential election was rigged in President Joe Biden’s favor, according to CNN, which confirmed the Facebook account with two of Depape’s relatives. Depape’s Facebook page also reportedly linked to a YouTube video slamming the House select committee investigating the Capitol riots as a “farce commission.” Depape shared links claiming Covid-19 vaccines were killing people and that the pandemic was engineered by those in power to dismantle and control society, a conspiracy known as the “Great Reset.” Mathew, Are you claiming that an election-denying Mike Lindell/My Pillow fan who thinks the Congressional J6 investigation is a farce and hates Nancy Pelosi isn't MAGA? 🤥 That's the strangest theory I've heard since Fox News and the Republicans tried to blame Antifa for Trump's January 6th mob attack on the U.S. Congress. Edited October 28, 2022 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matthew Koch Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 My money is on Seth Rich as the DNC leaker not Russia..https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/huge-fbi-now-wants-66-years-releasing-information-seth-rich-information-originally-denied/ HUGE: FBI Now Wants 66 Years Before Releasing Information on Seth Rich – Information They Originally DENIED They Had! In our previous reporting, The Gateway Pundit’s Joe Hoft reported on the FBI’s refusal to release documents on Seth Rich. To this day we still don’t have good information on Seth Rich’s murder. He was shot in the back twice in the early morning near his home. He died later in the hospital. The police recorded the event as a robbery and yet Rich’s phone, wallet, and personal items were with him when the police arrived.Some people suspect Rich was the source of the emails that went to WikiLeaks before the 2016 Election related to Hillary and her corrupt actions over many years. These emails were ignored by the corrupt mainstream media but were shared by Wikileaks and on social media at that time. The left blamed Wikileaks as one reason why Hillary Clinton lost to President Trump in 2016. short time after Seth Rich’s death, the Russia collusion story was created. It is also suspected in certain circles that the Russia collusion story was created to keep eyes off of Seth Rich’s murder.The FBI denied possessing any information or files related to the Seth Rich murder. But that was not true and eventually, the information was discovered. The FBI was forced to admit they were holding information on Seth Rich. Attorney Ty Clevenger brought the government to court and last month the FBI was ordered to turn over information on Seth Rich’s computer that they possessed, and documents pertaining to Crowdstrike and the purported hack of the DNC in 2016. And now, once again, the FBI is stalling! What are they hiding? Why won’t they turn the information over? Ty Clevenger at Lawflog reported earlier this month that the FBI is stalling on the release of the documents:Yesterday the government asked for more time to respond to U.S. District Judge Amos Mazzant’s September 29, 2022 order directing the FBI to produce all records related to Seth Rich’s laptop. Somewhat relatedly, the FBI is withholding three reports produced by CrowdStrike in August of 2016 regarding the purported hack of the Democratic National Committee.First the laptop. The FBI wants two more weeks so it can prepare a motion for reconsideration. As a courtesy, we have not objected to the request. According to the government’s motion, “the FBI is uncertain how to comply with the Court’s order as written, and the FBI is seeking input from a pending appellate consultation regarding the order to properly address this issue.”The order itself is pretty straightforward, at least with respect to Seth’s personal laptop, because it directs the FBI to “produce the information it possesses related to Seth Rich’s laptop and responsive to Plaintiff’s FOIA requests within 14 days of this Order.” On the other hand, the order does not discuss Seth’s work laptop, which is also in the possession of the FBI.I’m waiting for the FBI to explain what it thinks needs to be clarified, then I may be filing my own motion for clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: Are you claiming that an election-denying Mike Lindell/My Pillow fan who thinks the Congressional J6 investigation is a farce and hates Nancy Pelosi isn't MAGA? 🤥 haha omg. I have that guy on ignore, but is he really claiming craven stuff like that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Matt Allison said: haha omg. I have that guy on ignore, but is he really claiming craven stuff like that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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