The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

[Douglas Caddy]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

This is truly nutty.  In a sideways manner it encourages direct American involvement.  

I for one am sick and tired of this sickening doctrine of Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace.

JFK: Let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate. 

Why has the military option so often become the ONLY option.

 

 

I agree with Romney's assessment. However, The New York Times editorial today more or less agrees with you. Here is an excerpt from the editorial:

 

But as the war continues, Mr. Biden should also make clear to President Volodymyr Zelensky and his people that there is a limit to how far the United States and NATO will go to confront Russia, and limits to the arms, money and political support they can muster. It is imperative that the Ukrainian government’s decisions be based on a realistic assessment of its means and how much more destruction Ukraine can sustain.

 

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Confronting this reality may be painful, but it is not appeasement. This is what governments are duty bound to do, not chase after an illusory “win.” Russia will be feeling the pain of isolation and debilitating economic sanctions for years to come, and Mr. Putin will go down in history as a butcher. The challenge now is to shake off the euphoria, stop the taunting and focus on defining and completing the mission. America’s support for Ukraine is a test of its place in the world in the 21st century, and Mr. Biden has an opportunity and an obligation to help define what that will be.

 

More on the war in Ukraine

[Benjamin Cole]

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

This is truly nutty.  In a sideways manner it encourages direct American involvement.  

I for one am sick and tired of this sickening doctrine of Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace.

JFK: Let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate. 

Why has the military option so often become the ONLY option.

 

Jim D.-

In this particular case, I support Ukraine. I suspect better diplomacy could have sidestepped the war, but war we have, with horrible humanitarian ramifications. 

That said, imagine you are a lower income black guy living in Baltimore, Detroit, wherever. Your city, your neighborhood, is a terrible place to live. 

Then President Biden comes up with $40 billion for Ukraine, both parties in.  

But the WaPo, which calls anything and everything "white supremacy," does not call US efforts on behalf of white people in Ukraine an example of "white supremacy." 

In fact, the whole US foreign policy-military apparatus, which has primarily existed as a global guard service for multinationals since the Korean War, could be described as the foremost example of "white supremacy" in the US.

But the WaPo essentially goes mute on all issues regarding the Deep State.

The WaPo wants you to know it is those white cops who are holding the oppressed masses down. 

You can't make this stuff up. 

 

 

[Guest]

 

 

Hillary Clinton Did It

Her 2016 campaign manager says she approved a plan to plant a false Russia claim with a reporter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709?reflink=share_mobilewebshare&fbclid=IwAR2X25SUQwpRXsQDJ1eybAcMChqzRnXxBn5xwS6Lykpw0LPwypdRZcovJrI

[Benjamin Cole]

6 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

 

 

Hillary Clinton Did It

Her 2016 campaign manager says she approved a plan to plant a false Russia claim with a reporter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709?reflink=share_mobilewebshare&fbclid=IwAR2X25SUQwpRXsQDJ1eybAcMChqzRnXxBn5xwS6Lykpw0LPwypdRZcovJrI

Chris-

Yes, of course, HRC played hardball with sharpened steel cleats, and got the ump and the broadcasters on her side. 

None of this makes Trump a nice guy or good President. 

The bigger part of this story is how complaint is the M$M, indeed the media is eagerly aligned with and part of the Donk-Deep State. Now these same people want a Ministry of Truth. 

Remember how the media played the JFKA. Replay. 

This does not make the 'Phants appealing. 

I hope the populist wing of the 'Phants rises to the top, and makes clear it eschews any sort of racism or ID politics. A slender hope, but possible. 

 

[W. Niederhut]

42 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

 

 

Hillary Clinton Did It

Her 2016 campaign manager says she approved a plan to plant a false Russia claim with a reporter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709?reflink=share_mobilewebshare&fbclid=IwAR2X25SUQwpRXsQDJ1eybAcMChqzRnXxBn5xwS6Lykpw0LPwypdRZcovJrI

Media FREAKS OUT Over Fake News that Hillary Clinton Approved Trump/Russia Campaign Stories
www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/21/2099390/-Media-FREAKS-OUT-Over-Fake-News-that-Hillary-Clinton-Approved-Trump-Russia-Campaign-Stories


May 21, 2022

Nothing thrills the press like the stench of a budding scandal involving a prominent public figure. And for thirty years Hillary Clinton has been at the top of the media's hit list, despite never having confirmed a single episode of wrongdoing. And after being out of government service for six years, she remains a prime target of the press.

The latest hysterical outrage was triggered by reports of testimony by former Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in a case brought to trial by John Durham, the special counsel appointed by Donald Trump's Attorney General Bill Barr. Durham's mandate was to vindicate Trump by fabricating phony charges of misconduct related to his unsavory connections to Russia and Vladimir Putin.

RELATED: Trump Whines that the Media Didn’t Fall for the Durham Nothingburger About Clinton ‘Spying’

The news reports covering Mook's testimony were mostly wild distortions of the actual facts. Even CNN played into it with a story headlined "Hillary Clinton personally approved plan to share Trump-Russia allegation with the press in 2016, campaign manager says." However, that is not what Mook's testimony said at all. After repeating the falsehood in the headline, a more accurate description was given in the article's opening paragraphs:

"Robby Mook said he attended a meeting with other senior campaign officials where they learned about strange cyberactivity that suggested a relationship between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, which is based in Moscow. The group decided to share the information with a reporter, and Mook subsequently ran that decision by Clinton herself. 'We discussed it with Hillary,' Mook said, later adding that 'she agreed with the decision.'"

So what Mook actually said was that the decision was already made and acted upon, and was brought to Clinton after the fact, where she agreed with what had already been done. The stories that say that she "approved the plan" suggest that she was informed in advance and gave it a greenlight. In reality, Clinton merely expressed her agreement after her staff had already executed the plan.

What's worse is that many stories are circulating through the conservative media that Clinton not only gave the plan a go-ahead, but that she contrived herself. That could not be farther from the truth. The unexplained cyberactivity connecting Trump to the Russian bank were first observed by independent tech investigators. Reports of those observations were later brought to the attention of the Clinton campaign.

All of these deliberate distortions of both the cyberactivity, and the Clinton campaign's role in publicizing it, are part of the right-wing Durham crusade to distract the public from the documented connections between Trump and Russia. They add to prior distortions by Durham and company that Trump used to falsely claim that his campaign had been spied on.

For the record, there were numerous documented contacts between the Trump camp and Russian operatives during and after the 2016 presidential election. And Trump himself publicly asked Russia to interfere in the election by hacking into Clinton's emails. Many of these activities were catalogued in the book Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, by Michael Isikoff and David Corn.

 

[Benjamin Cole]

25 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Media FREAKS OUT Over Fake News that Hillary Clinton Approved Trump/Russia Campaign Stories
www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/21/2099390/-Media-FREAKS-OUT-Over-Fake-News-that-Hillary-Clinton-Approved-Trump-Russia-Campaign-Stories


May 21, 2022

Nothing thrills the press like the stench of a budding scandal involving a prominent public figure. And for thirty years Hillary Clinton has been at the top of the media's hit list, despite never having confirmed a single episode of wrongdoing. And after being out of government service for six years, she remains a prime target of the press.

The latest hysterical outrage was triggered by reports of testimony by former Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in a case brought to trial by John Durham, the special counsel appointed by Donald Trump's Attorney General Bill Barr. Durham's mandate was to vindicate Trump by fabricating phony charges of misconduct related to his unsavory connections to Russia and Vladimir Putin.

RELATED: Trump Whines that the Media Didn’t Fall for the Durham Nothingburger About Clinton ‘Spying’

The news reports covering Mook's testimony were mostly wild distortions of the actual facts. Even CNN played into it with a story headlined "Hillary Clinton personally approved plan to share Trump-Russia allegation with the press in 2016, campaign manager says." However, that is not what Mook's testimony said at all. After repeating the falsehood in the headline, a more accurate description was given in the article's opening paragraphs:

"Robby Mook said he attended a meeting with other senior campaign officials where they learned about strange cyberactivity that suggested a relationship between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, which is based in Moscow. The group decided to share the information with a reporter, and Mook subsequently ran that decision by Clinton herself. 'We discussed it with Hillary,' Mook said, later adding that 'she agreed with the decision.'"

So what Mook actually said was that the decision was already made and acted upon, and was brought to Clinton after the fact, where she agreed with what had already been done. The stories that say that she "approved the plan" suggest that she was informed in advance and gave it a greenlight. In reality, Clinton merely expressed her agreement after her staff had already executed the plan.

What's worse is that many stories are circulating through the conservative media that Clinton not only gave the plan a go-ahead, but that she contrived herself. That could not be farther from the truth. The unexplained cyberactivity connecting Trump to the Russian bank were first observed by independent tech investigators. Reports of those observations were later brought to the attention of the Clinton campaign.

All of these deliberate distortions of both the cyberactivity, and the Clinton campaign's role in publicizing it, are part of the right-wing Durham crusade to distract the public from the documented connections between Trump and Russia. They add to prior distortions by Durham and company that Trump used to falsely claim that his campaign had been spied on.

For the record, there were numerous documented contacts between the Trump camp and Russian operatives during and after the 2016 presidential election. And Trump himself publicly asked Russia to interfere in the election by hacking into Clinton's emails. Many of these activities were catalogued in the book Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, by Michael Isikoff and David Corn.

 

Part 1: CIA’s Extraordinary Role Influencing Liberal Media Outlets Daily Kos, The Daily Beast, Rolling Stone

This is by JFKA researcher Dick Russell. 

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cia-liberal-media-outlets-the-real-anthony-fauci/

Well worth reading. The Daily Kos is essentially a Donk-Deep State mouthpiece. 

 

[Greg Doudna]

6 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

Ok, so pretty much the same thing, Greg. I said they wouldn't work and you became emotional, took exception. I don't think the idea you suggested from your memory of Piketty would work, for reasons explained earlier. Cool. 

What tax policies do you think would work, toward your objective of addressing wealth inequality?

[Matt Allison]

Meh. Trump's ties to Russia are there, and I am personally glad HRC blew the whistle on them.

If people had listened, we wouldn't be in the Trump-created mess we're currently in, re: SC, democracy, elections, etc.

At any rate, all this Murdoch Media nonsense has but one goal: to try to soften the blow the 1/6 Hearings are going to deliver.

 

[Steve Thomas]

Ukraine is the West's "Defense in Depth".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth

"Defence in depth (also known as deep defence or elastic defence) is a military strategy that seeks to delay rather than prevent the advance of an attacker, buying time and causing additional casualties by yielding space. Rather than defeating an attacker with a single, strong defensive line, defence in depth relies on the tendency of an attack to lose momentum over time or as it covers a larger area. A defender can thus yield lightly defended territory in an effort to stress an attacker's logistics or spread out a numerically superior attacking force. Once an attacker has lost momentum or is forced to spread out to pacify a large area, defensive counter-attacks can be mounted on the attacker's weak points, with the goal being to cause attrition or drive the attacker back to its original starting position."

We may lose Ukraine, but Russia will be bled dry in the process.

Steve Thomas

[Benjamin Cole]

32 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Ukraine is the West's "Defense in Depth".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth

"Defence in depth (also known as deep defence or elastic defence) is a military strategy that seeks to delay rather than prevent the advance of an attacker, buying time and causing additional casualties by yielding space. Rather than defeating an attacker with a single, strong defensive line, defence in depth relies on the tendency of an attack to lose momentum over time or as it covers a larger area. A defender can thus yield lightly defended territory in an effort to stress an attacker's logistics or spread out a numerically superior attacking force. Once an attacker has lost momentum or is forced to spread out to pacify a large area, defensive counter-attacks can be mounted on the attacker's weak points, with the goal being to cause attrition or drive the attacker back to its original starting position."

We may lose Ukraine, but Russia will be bled dry in the process.

Steve Thomas

Egads, I hope this is not Biden's plan.

A long drawn-out war on Ukrainian soil that Ukrainians lose? 

How do Ukrainians fare in this scenario? Rather badly? 

 

 

[Steve Thomas]

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

How do Ukrainians fare in this scenario? Rather badly?

Yup.

Steve Thomas

[Douglas Caddy]

 

[W. Niederhut]

13 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

Meh. Trump's ties to Russia are there, and I am personally glad HRC blew the whistle on them.

If people had listened, we wouldn't be in the Trump-created mess we're currently in, re: SC, democracy, elections, etc.

At any rate, all this Murdoch Media nonsense has but one goal: to try to soften the blow the 1/6 Hearings are going to deliver.

 

      Yes, Matt, Murdoch's propaganda empire (including WSJ) is going to be broadcasting a lot of shiny objects in the next few weeks to deflect attention from the damning evidence about Trump's January 6th coup attempt.

      And Ben still hasn't figured out that the FBI investigation of Trump's involvement with the Kremlin was never a Deep State plot-- nor was it ever exposed in our M$M prior to the 2016 election.

      Some guys are slow learners.

[Joe Bauer]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Yes, Matt, Murdoch's propaganda empire (including WSJ) is going to be broadcasting a lot of shiny objects in the next few weeks to deflect attention from the damning evidence about Trump's January 6th coup attempt.

We all know that in every media way possible the Trump enabling wealthy will be mounting a massively funded campaign of deflection and downplaying the January 6th coup attempt.

That's how things work in this country.

Every right wing paid radio talk show host ( 50 million listeners every day ) will be given a point by point diversion and downplaying brainwashing game plan to aggressively promote throughout  the hearings.

Edited May 23, 2022 by Joe Bauer

[W. Niederhut]

46 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

We all know that in every media way possible the Trump enabling wealthy will be mounting a massively funded campaign of deflection and downplaying the January 6th coup attempt.

That's how things work in this country.

Every right wing paid radio talk show host ( 50 million listeners every day ) will be given a point by point diversion and downplaying brainwashing game plan to aggressively promote throughout  the hearings.

        And the deflective right wing propaganda will be widely amplified on social media-- a process that a professor at Stanford has aptly called, "ampliganda."