Death of Hubert Clark (one of the JFK casket bearers)

[Joseph McBride]

As for the plan to kill Oswald shortly after the assassination, that may have been the mission

of Officers Tippit and Mentzel when they were dispatched to track him down in Oak Cliff, which took place before 12:45 p.m., proof they were involved in the conspiracy, since the police "officially" did not know Oswald's identity until they took him downtown after capturing him at the theater around 1:52 (though actually they had been tracking him before the assassination, and he was an FBI informant). Tippit was shot in a police ambush at around 1:08 or 1:09; Mentzel didn't make it there, apparently because he was involved in a car accident nearby. Though the record does not indicate whether they were sent to capture or kill Oswald, it appears the DPD then wanted to kill Oswald in the theater

as part of an improvised backup plan but failed, so Ruby had to be called in to do the job. The bus incident may have been another attempt to kill Oswald after he made it out of the TSBD alive.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Joseph McBride

[Paul Jolliffe]

18 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

As for the plan to kill Oswald shortly after the assassination, that may have been the mission

of Officers Tippit and Mentzel when they were dispatched to track him down in Oak Cliff, which took place before 12:45 p.m., proof they were involved in the conspiracy, since the police "officially" did not know Oswald's identity until they took him downtown after capturing him at the theater around 1:52 (though actually they had been tracking him before the assassination, and he was an FBI informant). Tippit was shot in a police ambush at around 1:08 or 1:09; Mentzel didn't make it there, apparently because he was involved in a car accident nearby. Though the record does not indicate whether they were sent to capture or kill Oswald, it appears the DPD then wanted to kill Oswald in the theater

as part of an improvised backup plan but failed, so Ruby had to be called in to do the job. The bus incident may have been another attempt to kill Oswald after he made it out of the TSBD alive.

Joseph,

Certainly Tippit's actions before 1:08 are highly suspicious and completely inconsistent with the conventional narrative. I agree that he was looking for someone, probably our "Oswald".

You and others have demonstrated beyond any doubt that Tippit's killer was walking west on 10th street, toward Patton before he was confronted by Tippit. Did Tippit's killer come from Marsalis street? If so, he must have been dropped off there, right? 

While Tippit was apparently dashing in and out of establishments, making short phone calls, looking frantic, etc., he was not the only one.

WCD 1518, pages 92-98 recounts the strange observations of the elderly couple, Mr. and Mrs. John Wesley Pennington from that very same time period. Sometime before 1 pm on Friday, the Pennington's were minding their own business at the Tidy Lady Laundry on the NE corner of Davis and Clinton in Oak Cliff. An "Oswald"  drove up in a light station wagon, parked on Clinton adjacent to the side door, started to walk east on Davis past the laundromat, paused and returned to the Tidy Lady's public phone inside the laundromat. This "Oswald" made a hurried nervous call in a foreign language ("Mexican" sic) and then hustled across Davis, walking south on Clinton, apparently leaving his car behind.

The Pennington's were not publicity seekers, but they believed they had seen our "Oswald." While it seems highly improbable that they saw the our "Oswald" (the man later arrested by the Dallas Police), it seems likely that they saw someone who strongly resembled our "Oswald," and that resemblance is unlikely to be coincidental.

So, here we have J.D. Tippit calling mysteriously and driving around on and near Jefferson, apparently searching for "Oswald", while at the exact same time an "Oswald" look-a-like is calling mysteriously and driving and walking around in the same neighborhood. 

The Tidy Lady laundry and the Texas Theater were less than one mile apart. Traveling east on Davis (as it morphs into 8th street) brings one right to Marsalis, merely two blocks north of 10th street. 

Tippit's killer, walking west on 10th,  came from somewhere east. The "Oswald" doppelganger at the Tidy Lady Laundry was headed somewhere in a hurry after making his phone call in a "foreign language". Tippit somehow got instructions (we believe) that led him to cruise east on 10th, just in time to intercept his killer.

The mystery cop car in the alley south of 10th was slowly cruising west, shadowing Tippit's killer. 

Tippit got a message from someone. His killer got a ride to Marsalis from someone. The "Oswald" twin, on foot, needed a ride from someone.

Joseph, were the two "cops" in the Dallas squad car in the alley the handlers for both Tippit and his killer? Was the Tidy Lady "Oswald" Tippit's killer? 

The Pennington's: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11913#relPageId=101 

Oak Cliff - Tidy Lady Laundry (Davis and Clinton, directly across the street from yet another movie theater - The Kessler), the Texas Theater and the Tippit scene are all in the same immediate neighborhood: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oak+Cliff,+Dallas,+TX/@32.7463274,-96.829928,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x864e9a42ecce97db:0x99515b6c6f15ddaa!8m2!3d32.7203477!4d-96.8743083 

 

 

 

 

[Rick McTague]

On 12/2/2020 at 4:56 PM, Joseph McBride said:

The footage shows that the MDW team didn't carry the casket

off the plane and catering truck as they wanted and expected to do but were stopped twice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNpq3HbTB0M

Just like the extant Zapruder film, this supposed raw footage is filled with cuts, jumps and splices.  Just like when the limo is on Houston, you see the motorcycles then the limo is magically down Elm, this whole film seems to leap ahead in sequence in several places.  Why can't we be allowed to view unedited raw original film of ANY aspect of the JFK assassination?  The only reason film is edited is to tell the specific story the editors want it to tell - nothing more and nothing less.

Thanks

[Paul Jolliffe]

1 hour ago, Rick McTague said:

Just like the extant Zapruder film, this supposed raw footage is filled with cuts, jumps and splices.  Just like when the limo is on Houston, you see the motorcycles then the limo is magically down Elm, this whole film seems to leap ahead in sequence in several places.  Why can't we be allowed to view unedited raw original film of ANY aspect of the JFK assassination?  The only reason film is edited is to tell the specific story the editors want it to tell - nothing more and nothing less.

Thanks

Rick,

I agree - the number of photos, negatives, and films that were damaged during the "official" investigation is mind-boggling. Of course, this is not a new topic - Harold Weisberg published "Photographic Whitewash" some 54 years ago in which he catalogued (among other things) the staggering indifference by officialdom to any photographic materials at odds with the lone nut scenario.

As a result, we the American people, do not have access to the best material that should have been available decades ago. Instead we have (at best) grainy, marred, blurry, copies or, in many cases, nothing at all from photographers who were in perfect positions to record critical aspects of the assassination. 

Why?

Because neither the Warren Commission nor especially the FBI wanted that material.

To cite one legendary example, it wasn't until  June, 1964 before the FBI finally got around to examining the Phil Willis slides, particularly #5, and only then because Willis himself had offered copies of his twelve best slides for sale. Only when major newspapers (including the Chicago American and the New York Tribune) reported that sale did the FBI and the Warren Commission finally give even the most cursory attention to Willis and his slides.

Why not?

Because Willis had snapped slide #5 in reaction to the sound of a rifle shot, and Willis's precise location could be seen on the Zapruder film (frame 202). And that meant the oak tree blocked the limo from the "sniper's nest".  And . . . that meant a shot was fired well before anyone in the 6th floor window of the TSBD could possibly have fired that shot, which meant multiple shooters, which meant . . . conspiracy!

So, of course, no one in officialdom was interested in evidence that would destroy their preconceived "solution" to the assassination. No, they ignored Willis as long as they dared, and then, only the most superficial questions would do for the esteemed minds of the Warren Commission and the FBI . . .

See for yourself:

Willis slide #5: https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/23009/phil-willis-slide-7-willis-5;jsessionid=1FBE4818A5B51FC5BB1A8E2E40382D69?ctx=d111657e-125d-4242-9307-aa2b87b0e22a&idx=7

Zapruder frame 202: 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Paul Jolliffe
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[Joseph McBride]

I was surprised (mildly, since I knew their bias) how few photos

are in the WC files at the National Archives. I was dismayed

too at how meager the shelf is on the assassination at the

Kennedy Library. They just don't care. Those things are revealing. I also wanted

to find a telegram Frank Capra claimed Joe Kennedy sent

Harry Cohn recommending he not release MR. SMITH GOES

TO WASHINGTON in Europe because it supposedly would

hurt our country's reputation. I asked a librarian at the Kennedy

Library to see the papers of Ambassador Kennedy. "WHO?," she

said. I patiently replied, "Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr."

"Oh!," she said, looking startled. "We don't let people look 

at THOSE!" This was 1984. Much later the library opened at least

some of his papers to researchers, and someone found the

telegram, which hadn't been in Capra's papers.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Joseph McBride

[Tony Krome]

18 hours ago, Rick McTague said:

The only reason film is edited is to tell the specific story the editors want it to tell - nothing more and nothing less.

These days they use green screens to tell the story;

Link to source footage;

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?509926-1/president-plans-visit-southern-border

Edited March 17, 2021 by Tony Krome
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[John Butler]

On 3/16/2021 at 5:18 PM, Paul Jolliffe said:

As a result, we the American people, do not have access to the best material that should have been available decades ago. Instead we have (at best) grainy, marred, blurry, copies or, in many cases, nothing at all from photographers who were in perfect positions to record critical aspects of the assassination. 

Why?

Because neither the Warren Commission nor especially the FBI wanted that material.

To cite one legendary example, it wasn't until  June, 1964 before the FBI finally got around to examining the Phil Willis slides, particularly #5, and only then because Willis himself had offered copies of his twelve best slides for sale. Only when major newspapers (including the Chicago American and the New York Tribune) reported that sale did the FBI and the Warren Commission finally give even the most cursory attention to Willis and his slides.

Why not?

Because Willis had snapped slide #5 in reaction to the sound of a rifle shot, and Willis's precise location could be seen on the Zapruder film (frame 202). And that meant the oak tree blocked the limo from the "sniper's nest".  And . . . that meant a shot was fired well before anyone in the 6th floor window of the TSBD could possibly have fired that shot, which meant multiple shooters, which meant . . . conspiracy!

So, of course, no one in officialdom was interested in evidence that would destroy their preconceived "solution" to the assassination. No, they ignored Willis as long as they dared, and then, only the most superficial questions would do for the esteemed minds of the Warren Commission and the FBI . . .

Paul,

You are absolutely right.  To verify the Willis #5 slide we have the statements of 5 witnesses saying essentially the same as you are saying about Willis.

People who remained in the TSBD on the 3^rd, 4^th, and 5^th floors had an unobstructed view of the intersection of Houston and Elm Street.  However, at one point their view of the motorcade was obscured as the vehicles went under oak trees for a moment. 

Vickie Adams- 11-24-63- She said when the president’s vehicle entered the intersection of Elm and Houston she heard 3 shots.  She could not see the shooting since it happened while the presidential limousine was under trees.  And, that would be in front of the TSBD. And, I take that to mean all the shots were fired under the trees.

WC Testimony 4-7-1964:

 

Dorothy Garner- 3-20-64 FBI report- When the shots occurred the presidential vehicle was out of sight, obscured by trees.

 

Dorothy Garner says basically the same as Vickie Adams.

Yola Hopson- 12-1-63- FBI report- She heard two or more sounds / firecrackers when the presidential limousine was obscured by trees.  This would be in front of the TSBD.

 

Ditto for Yola Hopson.

Ruth Nelson- FBI Report 3 23 64- Ruth said she did not see the p. limo when she heard shots.  She was watching the motorcade, but could not see the President.  She was standing in the same place as Yola Hopson who said she could not see the President when she heard shots due to the p. limo being obscured by trees in front of the TBSD. 

Ditto Ruth Nelson.

Steven Wilson- 3-25-64- FBI statement- He said he heard 3 shots while the president was obscured by trees.

1963, employees of his office had gone to view the Presiden-

tial Motorcade on the corner of Elm and Houston Streets, and

due to a heart condition which he has had, he opened the

blinds on the third floor opposite from his reception desk

and viewed the Presidential Motoroade as it proceeded north

on Houston Street and then west on Elm Street. Due to a

large tree being in the way, he could not view the entire

procession, but as his view became obstructed, he heard, three

distinct shots which he thought came from a rifle, and sub-

sequently it was determined that the President had been shot.

Ditto Steve Wilson.

If you review the entire record of the pictorial evidence of the motorcade from the turn onto Houston from Main the the continuance on Elm Street, you will see only two photographers shooting the passenger side of the p. limo.  These are Jay Skaggs and Zapruder.  Jay Skaggs takes photos at the intersection of Main and Houston.  Zapruder films Elm Street.

We are asked to believe there were no other photographers on East Houston and North Elm.  If you look at the various photos and films taken that day you will see at least 14 (if my memory is correct and not 18) others who had cameras on East Houston, North Elm and the intersection crosswalk of East Houston.

What happened to their film?  What would those films and photos shown?  I think you would see the action in front of the TSBD that was cut from the Zapruder film which is now called the Zapruder Gap.

How many witnesses does it take to convince someone of something the witnesses said.  105+? or more?  

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by John Butler