Conspiracy Theories & The Media: JFK & Beyond ....

[W. Niederhut]

Dennis,

      You and I have seen eye-to-eye on a number of issues on this forum, but this isn't one of them.  (And I'm not fan of Big Pharma.  I've even been quoted in the New York Times articles during the past 15 years as a critic of Big Pharma.)

      IMO, Dr. Fauci was correct when he said yesterday that un-vaccinated Americans are driving the latest (Delta) COVID surge.  The Delta outbreak in the U.S. took off in early-to-mid June.  This mutational wave is similar to what happened during the 1918 influenza pandemic.

      The Delta variant hot spots in the U.S. today are strongly correlated (geographically) with low vaccination rates.  Not surprising.  Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, and Florida are a big part of the surge.  (50% of all new cases in the U.S. recently occurred in Florida and Texas, alone!)

      The recent Israeli data showing relatively high percentages of breakthrough Delta variant infections in people who received the Pfizer vaccine is partly a function of the fact that the vast majority of Israelis are vaccinated, and early.  But morbidity and mortality rates remain extremely low in fully vaccinated people.  (The Israeli data may be an indication that the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine is wearing off after several months.)

 

[Denny Zartman]

2 hours ago, Dennis Berube said:

Everything after "as if" is all your creation Denny.

Why do you play these games, Dennis?

What was my takeaway supposed to be? You said it was a big financial scam. I said I didn't see how it was a scam, since I wasn't charged for the vaccine. You replied, "ugh, nothing is free, somebody paid for it." Why did you say that in response? What was I supposed to take away from that reply? It's sad that you don't have the conviction to stand by your own words.

And for the third time, what does your own doctor say about the vaccine?

[Denny Zartman]

21 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

Actors speak out promoting taking an experimental treatment that isn’t solving the problem. We share and clap our heroes. ✅

The difference is that one side here is citing doctors and scientists to support their argument on the medical science, and the other side is citing actors and tv producers.

21 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

Actors speak out against taking an experimental treatment. They’re not credible, we silence them. ❌
 

Who has silenced Rapaport? His Instagram is still up. Who has silenced Bigtree? His blog is still up.

Refusing to treat actors and tv producers with no scientific or medical credentials as exactly the same as real scientists and doctors is not silencing them.

21 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

FYI confirmation bias is a two way street.

Yes, but those two streets are not equal. Stop with the false equivalence. This is a debate over medical science. One side is having their biases confirmed by data from doctors, scientists, medical and health organizations, while the other side is having their biases confirmed by data from actors, tv producers, Instagram accounts and blogs. It's shocking to me that you can not recognize the difference between the two, and then have the temerity to lecture others on logic.

19 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

Do we really even need freedom? What could possibly go wrong without it?!

The freedom to catch a virus? The freedom to die from a virus? The freedom to infect others with a virus? The freedom to equate scientists and doctors as equal in scientific and medical expertise to actors and tv producers? This is freedom to you? How odd.

You have the freedom to not take the vaccine. Six months ago they were counting the people going into and out of stores in order to keep the recommended safe capacity. Today they don't even have the signs saying you should wear a mask, yet anti-vaxxers are still weeping and crying over their "lost freedom." Restaurants are opening up, concerts and festivals are going on again, even my local city hall and public library no longer have signs requiring masks nor have they any closed areas to enforce social distancing like they had just a few months ago. Yet you anti-vaxxers are all still acting like we are in a nascent police state ready to haul you off to the gulag if you don't wear a mask during sex.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Why do you play these games, Dennis?

What was my takeaway supposed to be? You said it was a big financial scam. I said I didn't see how it was a scam, since I wasn't charged for the vaccine. You replied, "ugh, nothing is free, somebody paid for it." Why did you say that in response? What was I supposed to take away from that reply? It's sad that you don't have the conviction to stand by your own words.

And for the third time, what does your own doctor say about the vaccine?

This is pretty astounding. I have explained the racket earlier in the thread. Media & govt manufactures the public  consent, tax payer payers for it (more recently in debt) and private corporations pick up the profits. It works identically to war. Are you oblivious to that corruption also? There is a great book called “War is a Racket” by Major General Smedley Butler. Or you could read something like Manufacturing Consent by Naom Chomsky to understand how its done, or Edward Bernay’s “Propaganda” or “Crystalizing Public Opinion” would furnish you with the technique. 
 

I’ll presume you doubt that could happen. So if this virus was this existential threat to world society, why weren’t the vaccines a pro-bono, break even enterprise for the sake of humanity? Because already highly profitable companies need more profits right? Even Astra Zeneca (the least profitable) are profiting from our fear. 
 

The hypocrisy is we’re totally fine with food causing cancers, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and killing us in much greater numbers than Covid. But, we’re acting like we’re saving every life we can regarding this. Talk about a trope. Then of course heavy industry is contaminating everything, also leasing to cancers and whatever else and we’re ok with that continuing. Of course we are, we’re conditioned to the walk around like a bunch of spoon fed, apathetical, uninformed zombies, high on dopamine. Just think about it in wider context, Denny. 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

The difference is that one side here is citing doctors and scientists to support their argument on the medical science, and the other side is citing actors and tv producers

Try to be courteous and read what I have written in the thread. I have quoted Dr’s, MD’s, PHD’s, Virologists, Vaccinologists, who are quoting data and research with genuine concerns. Actors and celebrities have spoken about this pandemic from both sides. The virtue signalling types are much more prevalent. Which is natural as very driven individuals, that have wealth as a goal, actively do things in the public domain that further their popularity and earning potential. Thats why they have agents and PR teams working on that for them, advising them. 

8 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Who has silenced Rapaport? His Instagram is still up. Who has silenced Bigtree? His blog is still up.

Refusing to treat actors and tv producers with no scientific or medical credentials as exactly the same as real scientists and doctors is not silencing them.

Sorry Denny, I don’t know anything about Michael Rappaport, bar that he’s in True Romance, a film I like. I would suggest you may have conflated my replies with Dennis. I have pointed out that actors and celebs have spoke on both sides, in fact people from all walks of life. I have quoted Dr’s, MD’s, PHD’s, Virologists, Vaccinologists in this thread. You can’t make my argument something it isn’t but, that’s a tactic commonly used in journalism, you twist words, quotes and views of a person into something they aren’t and shout that message the loudest. I am very wise to that though. 
I have mentioned Del Bigtree in relation to MMR and autism, specifically in regard to the argument laid out earlier in this thread in regard to having two groups of data, to ascertain whether vaccines are causing harm. Thats the fairest and safest way. He is a presenter, just like your CNN newscasters, someone has to communicate things. Vaccinologists or scientists aren’t usually blessed with PR skills or an aptitude for presenting well to the media. You don’t switch CNN off do you when a newscaster tells you something about health, when his experience is reading autocue and presenting? 

8 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Yes, but those two streets are not equal. Stop with the false equivalence. This is a debate over medical science. One side is having their biases confirmed by data from doctors, scientists, medical and health organizations, while the other side is having their biases confirmed by data from actors, tv producers, Instagram accounts and blogs. It's shocking to me that you can not recognize the difference between the two, and then have the temerity to lecture others on logic.

Oh, I am the false equivalence guy here? Actually this isn’t a debate over medical science here, it’s one component of many which is relevant to this pandemic and the corruption that is going on. You’ve just tried to attach a false narrative right there, i’ll repeat again. I have quoted Dr’s, MD’s, PHD’s, Virologists, Vaccinologists. You won’t win this argument with me by being deceitful or disingenuous, Denny. 

8 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

The freedom to catch a virus? The freedom to die from a virus? The freedom to infect others with a virus? The freedom to equate scientists and doctors as equal in scientific and medical expertise to actors and tv producers? This is freedom to you? How odd.

You have the freedom to not take the vaccine. Six months ago they were counting the people going into and out of stores in order to keep the recommended safe capacity. Today they don't even have the signs saying you should wear a mask, yet anti-vaxxers are still weeping and crying over their "lost freedom." Restaurants are opening up, concerts and festivals are going on again, even my local city hall and public library no longer have signs requiring masks nor have they any closed areas to enforce social distancing like they had just a few months ago. Yet you anti-vaxxers are all still acting like we are in a nascent police state ready to haul you off to the gulag if you don't wear a mask during sex.

If you’ve had two jabs, that’s what you’ve got right now, the freedom to catch the virus, to transmit the virus and to die of the virus. You don’t even know that, with all the months that information has been available to you? You repeated your false argument again. I’ll repeat the same text you again: I have quoted Dr’s, MD’s, PHD’s, Virologists, Vaccinologists. 🙂 

Masks - You haven’t read any of the studies pointing out masks are a chocolate teapot in almost every scenario. You haven’t read Fauci’s private emails which went public indicating he feels the same way (privately). You don’t know that we’re better off outdoors than in? 
 

ONS (UK office of National Statistics), Flu and Pneumonia deaths have vanished since Covid began. Has Covid miraculously cured them? Or have we been attributing deaths to the wrong cause? 
 

You are showing with your words that you are blind to many other impacts of this pandemic, other than people getting sick from the virus or dying of the virus. Might there be some other things at stake here, Denny? What could they be? 
 

Staggering comment from you - Europe is increasingly showing the signs we are in a police state. To understand that, you’d need to read the circumstances that led up to those depicted and attested to in Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago, the dangerous affects of collectivism, always looking to the great father figure (used to be god, now the state) for solutions to everything, we’re in very bad shape. This is exactly what led us into the disasters of the 20th century. Are you an advocate or abolishing the Nuremburg Code? The statute that ensures we have body autonomy? It was put in place after the German government coerced and forced Jews and Gypsies into medical experimentation. 
 

Does vaccinating everybody with these shots make this virus extinct or solve the pandemic? 
 

How did MRNA trials work out in the past, is it safe? 
 

The average age of death of Cov2 in the UK is 82 years of age. The average of death normally in the UK is 81 years of age. What does that say to you about the potency of this pathogen? I would take a few moments to absorb that. 
 

94% of Covid deaths in the US involved people with one or more serious co-morbidities. What is the probability that the remaining 6% had undiagnosed conditions or were very frail and elderly? We’ve had two influenza viruses in the past, at least as potent as this (even with the inflation and embellishment of causes of deaths). Did we shut down the world? Destroy the economy. Mandate house arrest for the public? Stop children from playing with eachothers even though their risk is minute. Did we have people dying left right and centre of other things because they were too afraid to goto hospital or the Dr’s because of the idea of catching covid. Did we have the suicides, the depression and mental illness? Did we have the stress of people losing their livelihoods that they’ve spent decades building. Did we have the biggest transferral of wealth upwards in history. The worlds billionaires increasing their net worth by 30% in the first 6 months of Covid alone. We’re wiping out the middle class.  What’s all that, acceptable collateral damage for you? 
 

Did you watch Rand Paul questioning Fauci in congress in regard to masks and the mistruths about reinfection? 
 

What is your position on the vaccine passport (biometric id) that is coming. Do you think that’s a good idea? I can tell you where its going and freedom is going right on down the road with it. 
 

I look forward to your answers.

Thanks

Chris
 

PS One of the things that amazes me here is that, most of us believe JFK was killed as part of a conspiracy that involved the government. A lot of us believe that it was over foreign policy / money. Yet, our eyes are not open wide enough to see that not only are circumstances more ripe for corruption today (things have gotten worse) but, we can’t envisage history repeating itself or that such deception or corruption can happen today. 
 

Why a pharmaceutical giant produce a vaccine that solves Covid in one go? Because of the kindness or their board of directors? It’s anti-business to do so. You make a shot that means we need upgrades and boosters at a regular frequency, that way it’s much more profitable. You also advocate a treatment thats needed in perpetuity. Shots for life. Then what you do once the populous are bought into that is; you switch to the flu jab or any other thing you can produce a vaccine for that has poor results. Because we become accustomed to it, the he more they do it to us. If this one can leak from a lab, why can’t all sorts of other things that treatments are allegedly needed for? They can. The strongest sales tool is that you won’t be able to socialise or travel if you haven’t had what they mandate. Pharma companies have full immunity from prosecution and effectively a license to print money for their shareholders. 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Chris Barnard
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[Jeremy Bojczuk]

Chris Barnard writes:

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It was in interests of vaccine safety and it proposed a direct comparison of data between two groups, those without vaccine and those with.

Again, what's the significance of this? Are you absolutely sure Bill Gates isn't involved?

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Here is a question for you; how might you go about proving that to be the case and what parameters would you put in place to ensure its fair study?

Proving what to be the case? Wakefield tried to prove that the MMR vaccine caused autism, and failed miserably. What is it that you think needs to be proved, and why?

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The MSM have been suggesting a lot since March 2020. ... If there is institutional corruption, which is being alleged here, and I think you can understand that the MSM is only running one side of it, then you’ll only hear one side of it. Do you understand?

The mainstream media, at least in Britain, has run its fair share of anti-vaxxer misinformation. I don't read the Daily Mail, but I do read about the Daily Mail, which under its previous editor supported the anti-vaxxer fraud Andrew Wakefield:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/13/daily-mail-anti-vaxxers-paper-covid-vaccine-mmr

For the benefit of non-UK readers who aren't familiar with the Daily Mail, the paper was a big fan of that nice Mr Hitler some years ago, and isn't much better now:

https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2017/10/horrible-history-daily-mail/

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FYI the majority views are supported by know nothing actors and celebrities too, right?

I'm sure they are. But, as Denny pointed out, your fellow anti-vaxxer preferred to get his information from unqualified alleged celebrities rather than directly from qualified medical professionals.

When one has a choice of who to believe, the non-expert is obliged to reflect the balance of expert opinion, surely? Have I got this principle wrong? If I haven't, why do you insist on believing the small minority of experts over the large majority of experts?

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I don’t think W wants to talk about it. That might be because of the SEO on the site and google search listings, I have no idea.

He doesn't want to talk about it because of this site's search engine rankings? For one thing, whatever he says wouldn't have a noticeable effect on any of this site's search engine rankings. For another, what sort of reason is that for not providing evidence and argument to support the claim he made?

W. Niederhut claimed on page 14 that some of the hijackers "were known to be alive after 9/11, having miraculously survived the 9/11 plane crashes". It's quite a claim to make, because if it's true it leaves a gaping hole in the official explanation. If it's not true, of course, it leaves a gaping hole in W. Niederhut's credibility.

I could understand if he hasn't provided the necessary evidence because he's been busy, or he has been taken ill, or his internet connection has gone down, or he has been abducted by creatures from the planet Tharg. But otherwise, you'd expect him to be keen to justify the statement he made. I'm starting to suspect that there probably isn't any solid evidence that any of the hijackers lived on after 9/11. Do you get that impression too?

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Let me ask you, do you think passports of the hijackers could be found in the top surface of the rubble, in tact? ... Do you think, as the record states, a plane traveling at 536mph (Boeing 757) could make a last minute right angle turn at ground level before striking the east wing of the Pentagon?

Again with the one-sentence truther talking points! You're the one who brought up these allegations, which you seem to think are deadly to the official explanation. It's up to you to demonstrate why that should be the case. Perhaps you could set out the evidence and the arguments for and against, in detail, and show us how conclusive these talking points really are. They belong in the "well, maybe, but maybe not" category, don't they?

[Dennis Berube]

21 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

You said it was a big financial scam.

I said the public essentially paid for it, which means just because you didn’t have to pay anything in the store to get it, its not really free.  Please stop creating pointless arguments for us all beyond what is said.

 

21 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

 

And for the third time, what does your own doctor say about the vaccine?

He hasn’t said anything if you must know. What has your doctor said about the VAERS numbers? What has your doctor said about vitamin d in relation to reducing severity of cases? What has your doctor said about the pathology of the spike protein in reference to the pfizer bio-distribution paper out of japan that showed accumulation in organs? What does he say about shedding? Go ahead and ask him. See how fast he reaches for his CDC info packet...

[Dennis Berube]

7 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

Wakefield tried to prove that the MMR vaccine caused autism, and failed miserably.

Obviously not familiar with William Thompson. Go ahead, get wikipedia’s slander story copied and pasted for us.

 

7 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

But, as Denny pointed out, your fellow anti-vaxxer preferred to get his information from unqualified alleged celebrities rather than directly from qualified medical professionals.

This statement reminded me of long ago debating SV Anderson and Dave Reitzes back when Amazon allowed such things. There was a reason i stopped doing that. My adversaries simply repeat the same misinformation regardless of what is said. You and Denny seem adamant on believing your own concoctions. The way this works is simple. *If a prominent doctor/scientist speaks out against the covid narrative, they are quickly censored and slandered all over the place in the MSM. Therefore, cultists can infer exactly what you are inferring. Namely, that no reputable scientist disagrees with what bigPharma says. Many prominent scientists have spoken out, tens of thousands signed the great barrington declaration. The creators of that were from oxford, harvard, yale etc.... I could list many but what is the point? You two are filled with vitriol and will tell me how they are quacks and we must listen to convicted criminals like pfizer, surrender the us constitution and any semblance of freedom in order to “get back to normal”. Again, that is good work for the WEF, not so much for your grandkids though. Btw, what does your doctor think about the magneto protein? 

[Dennis Berube]

On 8/2/2021 at 1:10 PM, W. Niederhut said:

You and I have seen eye-to-eye on a number of issues on this forum, but this isn't one of them.

Understood and I appreciate your demeanor compared to many others on this forum. 
 

What is your opinion on the censorship? I cannot believe anyone of good faith can justify censorship as history has taught us what happens when that is accepted. If its for the good of humanity, then why can’t we censor central banker agents like Schauble and Schwab who continually advocate against democracy and thus endanger us all?

I know you will disagree with him, but I urge you to take an hour to listen to Dr. Peter McCoullough. Not an “anti-vaxxer” or “celebrity”, but one of the most cited doctors in the world tell you what this is.

https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/06/27/dr-peter-mccullough-whistleblowers-inside-cdc-claim-injections-have-already-killed-50000-americans

 

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11 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

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Again, what's the significance of this? Are you absolutely sure Bill Gates isn't involved?

Ok, so that’s an irreverent comment.
What it shows me is that you zero understanding of how big business works or, how foundations and charitable organisations are used as tools of vast influence and power. 

11 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

Proving what to be the case? Wakefield tried to prove that the MMR vaccine caused autism, and failed miserably. What is it that you think needs to be proved, and why?

I have never even heard of this Wakefield you refer to. By your question, it sounds like you don’t even understand the basic principles of the argument, I would refer back to my previous replies that are in plain English. 

11 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

The mainstream media, at least in Britain, has run its fair share of anti-vaxxer misinformation. I don't read the Daily Mail, but I do read about the Daily Mail, which under its previous editor supported the anti-vaxxer fraud Andrew Wakefield:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/13/daily-mail-anti-vaxxers-paper-covid-vaccine-mmr

For the benefit of non-UK readers who aren't familiar with the Daily Mail, the paper was a big fan of that nice Mr Hitler some years ago, and isn't much better now:

https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2017/10/horrible-history-daily-mail/

Like Brigade 77 of the Army actively working to suppress any Covid19 information not supported by the government? I guess that escaped your reading. Your logic here is really strange. 
- You mentioned the Daily Mail, and this Wakefield, is it the same one as above? I haven’t mentioned this person, I don’t know of this person. Yet, you seem to be  trying attach him to my argument. Like a dirty cop picking up an innocent and trying to charge them with something they didn’t do. 
- Then you’re mentioning the Daily Mail and Hitler? 
Are you ok? 
 

11 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

I'm sure they are. But, as Denny pointed out, your fellow anti-vaxxer preferred to get his information from unqualified alleged celebrities rather than directly from qualified medical professionals.

When one has a choice of who to believe, the non-expert is obliged to reflect the balance of expert opinion, surely? Have I got this principle wrong? If I haven't, why do you insist on believing the small minority of experts over the large majority of experts?

There is a slur here at me and Denny, I am guessing you used it because you’re frustrated and unable to reason. 
I think I have been very clear in the thread that I am pro-vaccination, and that i’ve had around 10 jabs. I am wholeheartedly in favour treatments that are safe and effective, and that have a positive risk/cost ratio. So, you calling me an anti-vaxxer, is like calling someone who doesn’t approve of one type of medicine out of thousands of types, an anti-medicine heretic. It’s a moronic thing to say. 
 

11 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

He doesn't want to talk about it because of this site's search engine rankings? For one thing, whatever he says wouldn't have a noticeable effect on any of this site's search engine rankings. For another, what sort of reason is that for not providing evidence and argument to support the claim he made?

W. Niederhut claimed on page 14 that some of the hijackers "were known to be alive after 9/11, having miraculously survived the 9/11 plane crashes". It's quite a claim to make, because if it's true it leaves a gaping hole in the official explanation. If it's not true, of course, it leaves a gaping hole in W. Niederhut's credibility.

I could understand if he hasn't provided the necessary evidence because he's been busy, or he has been taken ill, or his internet connection has gone down, or he has been abducted by creatures from the planet Tharg. But otherwise, you'd expect him to be keen to justify the statement he made. I'm starting to suspect that there probably isn't any solid evidence that any of the hijackers lived on after 9/11. Do you get that impression too?

1) You don’t seem to have any comprehension or understanding of the concept that people use their real names here and that views can be seen very easily in google searches, as the site ranks pretty highly, if you have an unusual name, it’ll pop right up, attached  to what you are saying here. You have an unusual name and this pops up along with your JFKA forum comments.
http://jeremy.bojczuk.me.uk
Do you follow? 
I don’t know if that’s the reason but, send him a message if you’re curious. 
 

2) I am not here to defend W. or debate W. All I have pointed out is that some guy in Saudi came out claiming his details were being used. I am still aghast at why you are trying have his argument with me, it’s weird. 

 

11 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

Again with the one-sentence truther talking points! You're the one who brought up these allegations, which you seem to think are deadly to the official explanation. It's up to you to demonstrate why that should be the case. Perhaps you could set out the evidence and the arguments for and against, in detail, and show us how conclusive these talking points really are. They belong in the "well, maybe, but maybe not" category, don't they?

Again, you can’t answer my questions, you’ve lost your tone, you’ve become irreverent and you’re chucking slurs about. I understand you’re getting frustrated and I’ve seen this behaviour when things aren’t going your way in other threads with other people. Where is the value in me talking to you if you can’t do the most basic things required in a discussion like attempt to answer the other persons questions. There is no shame in saying that you don’t know something.  No person knows everything. It suggests to me that your ego is in the way of holding a discussion. You’ve already slammed ‘Truthers’ as crackpots and disparaged them, which I find very small minded considering you haven’t read their stuff. There are many arguments laid out for you to read yourself. If you think I am going to spend hours reeling it all out for you on threads, so you can sit there and not look at it, and refute it based on the people not being a government agency or an expert that suits your narrow field of view, then you have no chance. 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Chris Barnard

[Chris Davidson]

On 7/29/2021 at 9:00 AM, Chris Davidson said:

"For what it's worth" (Buffalo Springfield)

https://news.yahoo.com/youtuber-bet-physicist-10-000-120100405.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Publication date noted:

https://www.genengnews.com/news/blood-clotting-patterns-in-lungs-of-covid-19-patients-may-help-explain-apparent-differences-in-mortality/

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

Publication date noted:

https://www.genengnews.com/news/blood-clotting-patterns-in-lungs-of-covid-19-patients-may-help-explain-apparent-differences-in-mortality/

I think it was even earlier, 24th April 20. That’s actually interesting, as in the UK there has been much discussion around why certain racial groups have been more likely to die of be likely to in an ICU. In London they explained the high proportion of some ethnic minorities succumbing to the virus because of melanin in skin. ie if your skin is dark, you need to spend longer in the sun, than someone with very light to skin, to absorb the same amount sunlight to be turned into Vitamin D. Something which seems vital in maintaining a healthy immune system and reducing chances of ending up in an ICU. 

[Paul Brancato]

4 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

I think it was even earlier, 24th April 20. That’s actually interesting, as in the UK there has been much discussion around why certain racial groups have been more likely to die of be likely to in an ICU. In London they explained the high proportion of some ethnic minorities succumbing to the virus because of melanin in skin. ie if your skin is dark, you need to spend longer in the sun, than someone with very light to skin, to absorb the same amount sunlight to be turned into Vitamin D. Something which seems vital in maintaining a healthy immune system and reducing chances of ending up in an ICU. 

Don’t you think there is a more likely sociological component, more economic than racial?

[W. Niederhut]

7 hours ago, Dennis Berube said:

Understood and I appreciate your demeanor compared to many others on this forum. 
 

What is your opinion on the censorship? I cannot believe anyone of good faith can justify censorship as history has taught us what happens when that is accepted. If its for the good of humanity, then why can’t we censor central banker agents like Schauble and Schwab who continually advocate against democracy and thus endanger us all?

I know you will disagree with him, but I urge you to take an hour to listen to Dr. Peter McCoullough. Not an “anti-vaxxer” or “celebrity”, but one of the most cited doctors in the world tell you what this is.

https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/06/27/dr-peter-mccullough-whistleblowers-inside-cdc-claim-injections-have-already-killed-50000-americans

 

Dennis,

       I hadn't heard of cardiologist, Dr. Peter McCullough, but his medical credentials look solid.

       Here's one critique of McCullough's claims about COVID treatments and the vaccine data.*

       I noticed that McCullough's poly-pharmaceutical COVID treatment regimen, by his own admission, is not based on randomized clinical trials.  Nor is he an expert in infectious diseases.

*  https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-covid-19-vaccine-holocaust-the-latest-antivaccine-messaging/

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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Don’t you think there is a more likely sociological component, more economic than racial?

I do Paul, so I agree with that over the official explanation offered above by the ‘experts’ trusted by many, it’s not one I can disprove, or have any certainly about but, I can point to the interesting coverage around it. It was one of the first things that occurred to me when the idea was propagated. Let me elaborate and tell you what the media ran in conjunction with that story regarding melanin being the cause. The NHS is largely comprised of ethnic minorities in primarily nursing and care work, so they government advised that NHS of ethnic minorities were more at risk than Caucasians working for the NHS. They also propagated that the uptake of the vaccine had been very slow in ethnic minorities and urged them to get jabs. 
Consequences of those narratives might be that: 

- Fear being used to encourage the vaccine, as you’d supposedly be killing NHS staff (which we were being encouraged to clap their bravery each day last year) if you didn’t get the jab or lockdown and social distance accordingly. 
- Fear being used against ethnic minorities to get the jab, telling them they are more at risk due to genetic components or inability to absorb sunlight as efficiently as others.

- In both cases the solution to the fear was offered in terms of pointing out the low uptake in vaccinations in the ethnic minority community or pointing out the high vaccine uptake in the country overall. 

In terms of suggestion and coercion, you’re communicating fear and the antidote. It’s very very simple, effective messaging. 
 

It makes perfect sense that ethnic minorities have high populations in cities, high population densities too (they’re at close proximities). They are more likely to be in low income housing, which is cramped, many to a household, helping the spread of pathogens. Because of financial reasons they have access to the cheapest junk food, which isn’t nutritious, as well as educational reasons that they wouldn’t now how to look after themselves as someone well off. They also with the lack of safe surroundings and park land, may not be exercising and the lack of sun above may be part of it. Maintaining a healthy immune system relies on sleep, good nutrition, exercise, sunlight, and good lifestyle choices, all of the things that protect us from the ICU. There is an index of reasons and TBH most correspond to caucasian Briton’s in low income housing too, in areas like Manchester, Glasgow, Newcastle, Belfast, where life expectancy dips. All areas hit badly by Cov19, or over represented by cancers, diabetes, heart attacks and strokes. London & Birmingham have the highest proportions of ethnic minorities which perhaps comprise majorities in those cities, which don’t have healthy living conditions. I can chuck pollution out there too which may or may not be affecting respiratory health.
 

Does that make both of us heretics for not accepting the UK government/news/UK experts on their explanation? I think it is just a logical supposition from people who have thought about it for two seconds. But, if you posted that on social media, you’d be shouted down by the masses in this free speech purge and tech censorship. 

Just to recap, we have the following on this sub-topic alone:

- Chris D’s link from experts above. 
- The UK govt experts citing melanin absorption or a racially genetic component. 
- The not accepted raising of the blood clot issue caused by vaccines, Astra-Z, Pfizer etc. Some experts pointing this out, although they are being called anti-vaxxers despite this angle actually being acknowledged by the MSM and companies concerned.

- Or there is me and you questioning societal issues as opposed to genetic. 
 

This is where we are at...

Edited August 4, 2021 by Chris Barnard
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