Ted Callaway & The 1:15 Shooting

[Bill Brown]

Ted Callaway testified that after hearing the five gun shots, he ran out to the sidewalk on Patton.  This was a little over a half block south of the shooting scene.  Callaway saw a man (who he later identified as Oswald) cutting across Patton as he (Oswald) made his way south on Patton (towards Callaway's position).  Callaway hollered out to the man  as the man continued south on Patton past Callaway's position.  Callaway testified that the man was running and holding a gun.  Callaway saw the man head west on Jefferson (the same direction as the theater).

Once the man turned west onto Jefferson, Callaway ran a "good hard run" up to the corner of Tenth and Patton.  Callaway, noticing the stopped patrol car, went to the car and saw the officer (Tippit) lying dead in the street.  Callaway said the first thing he did was to grab the police car radio and report the shooting.  He said he didn't know if anyone had reported it yet, so he decided to report it himself.

To recap, Callaway hears the shots.  Runs to the sidewalk.  Sees the gunman run south on Patton the entire block from Tenth to Jefferson.  Runs the two-thirds of a block up to the shooting scene.  Goes over to the police car and the first thing he does is grab the radio and report the shooting to the police dispatcher.

How much time do you believe passed from the time Callaway heard the shots to the time he reported the shooting on the police radio?

Let's say two minutes pass from the time Oswald shoots Tippit to the time Oswald turns the corner from Patton onto Jefferson.  This is a little over one block and Oswald was running.

Let's say it takes Callaway one minute when he made the "good hard run" the two-thirds of a block from his location to the patrol car.

If these two time estimates are anywhere close to being correct, then Callaway is at the patrol car roughly three minutes after the shots rang out.  Let's add another full minute for error.  So we have Callaway at the patrol car using the police radio about four minutes after the shots rang out.

Here's the thing... Callaway's report to the dispatcher while using the patrol car radio took place at 1:19/1:20.

Do the math and work it backwards.  At 1:19/1:20, Callaway makes the call.  If four minutes have passed (and that's being generous, in my opinion) since the shots rang out, then the shots rang out around 1:15.

[James DiEugenio]

There was no shooting at that time.

And Callaway did not even know which way the guy went and he is the one who screwed up the chain of custody on the weapon..

Don't Bugliosize here.

 

[Sean Coleman]

His WC testimony implies he heard shots ‘around 1 pm or so’…….

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by Sean Coleman

[Bill Brown]

3 minutes ago, Sean Coleman said:

His WC testimony implies he heard shots ‘around 1 pm or so’…….

And others said they heard shots around 1:30. So what?

[James DiEugenio]

What we want to hear about is Croy, Westbrook, Hill, Nelson and Mentzel.

Explain what Westbrook was doing there?  And tell us what his real position was in the DPD.  

What was Croy doing there?  

Where did the jacket come from?  Who gave it to Westbrook?

Why did Mentzel change his story about when he learned Kennedy had been shot? (McBride, p. 428)

Why was there an order to move into Central Oak Cliff at 12:45 which did not appear on the first transcript? Why did neither Nelson nor TIppit acknowledge that order?

Why did Nelson not go where he was directed?  Why did he end up at Elm and Houston?  And why did no official inquest ever ask him to explain all this?  And why,  when Henry Hurt located him, did he want money for his story? (Hurt, pp. 161-62)

What with this mildewed Callaway crap. We are not back in 1964.

Edited July 14, 2022 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

14 minutes ago, Sean Coleman said:

His WC testimony implies he heard shots ‘around 1 pm or so’…….

Nice one Sean.

 

pardon the shameless plug: 

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-tippit-case-in-the-new-millennium

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[Bill Brown]

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

There was no shooting at that time.

And Callaway did not even know which way the guy went and he is the one who screwed up the chain of custody on the weapon..

Don't Bugliosize here.

 

You're wrong about this. Callaway did not ask Benavides which way the guy went. That's not quite how it went down. Callaway was wanting Benavides to go with him in search of the Killer and Callaway said you saw which way he went, didn't you?

 

Meaning something like "You also saw which way he went, let's go after him".

 

Callaway watched the gunman go all the way down Patton to Jefferson and even saw him head west on Jefferson. 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Bill Brown

[Gil Jesus]

I love it when someone posts something and doesn't use any citations. It's like they read only the Warren Omission Report and never heard of the 26 volumes.

Helen Markham put the shooting at "approximately" 1:06. ( 24 H 215 )

In March 1964, the FBI checked with the Dallas Transit company and found out that her "1:15" bus she was going to catch at Patton and Jefferson was scheduled to be there at 1:12. ( FBI file # 62-109060, Sec.54, pg. 134 )

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62314#relPageId=134

Given that she was a few minutes ( 1 block ) away from there, that means she was at the intesection of Patton and 10th no later than 1:09.

Transcripts of the Dallas Police log indicated that Tippit ( 78 ) last called dispatch at 1:08. He called twice and received no answer. ( 17 H 406 )

Witness T.F. Bowley was on his way to pick up his daughter at school. He arrived at the scene after the shooter had left and saw Tippit on the ground. He looked at his watch and it said 1:10. ( CE 2003, 24 H 202 )

This evidence is strong that the shooting was in the 1:08-1:10 timeframe.

Benavides was the first one to try to use the cruiser's radio and he said that he "waited a few minutes" before he got out of his truck because he was scared and thought that either the shooter had gone behind the house or that he lived there and might come out shooting again. ( 6 H 448 )

Therefore, since he was the first to attempt to use the radio and admits he delayed in using it, the  radio transmission cannot be used as a timeclock for the shooting. 

And BTW, Callaway DID ask Benavides which way the gunman fled. 

Benavides testified:

And then Ted got into a taxicab and the taxicab came to a halt and he asked me which way he went. ( 6 H 452 )

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[James DiEugenio]

Nice one Gil on Callaway.  

[Bill Brown]

25 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

Benavides was the first one to try to use the cruiser's radio and he said that he "waited a few minutes" before he got out of his truck because he was scared and thought that either the shooter had gone behind the house or that he lived there and might come out shooting again. ( 6 H 448 )

Therefore, since he was the first to attempt to use the radio and admits he delayed in using it, the  radio transmission cannot be used as a timeclock for the shooting. 

In 1967, Benavides told Eddie Barker (The Warren Report, CBS, part 3) that he watched the killer go around the corner and then sat there in his truck "for a second or two" before getting out and going over to the patrol car and getting in the radio.

 

For you to believe that Benavides really sat in his truck for a few minutes before getting out means you believe he was still cowering down inside his truck while people like Helen Markham and the Davis sisters and others were over at the patrol car tending to Tippit. That's foolish.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Bill Brown

[Sean Coleman]

1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:

And others said they heard shots around 1:30. So what?

(groan)…so….you are using Callaway as a yardstick  to suggest shots are fired at 115pm when the man himself puts them at around 1pm….that’s what.

I prefer DVP, at least he knows what he’s on about

[Bill Brown]

48 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

And BTW, Callaway DID ask Benavides which way the gunman fled. 

Benavides testified:

And then Ted got into a taxicab and the taxicab came to a halt and he asked me which way he went. ( 6 H 452 )

Callaway first tried to get Benavides to go with him in Benavides' truck. After Benavides declined, Callaway went over to Scoggins and asked Scoggins to help him go look for the guy in Scoggins' cab.

 

Callaway asked Scoggins: "You saw the guy, didn't you?"

 

Callaway tried to get both men to go with him in search of the killer and most likely asked Benavides the same thing that he asked Scoggins moments later. 

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Bill Brown

[Bill Brown]

1 hour ago, Gil Jesus said:

Helen Markham put the shooting at "approximately" 1:06. ( 24 H 215 )

In March 1964, the FBI checked with the Dallas Transit company and found out that her "1:15" bus she was going to catch at Patton and Jefferson was scheduled to be there at 1:12. ( FBI file # 62-109060, Sec.54, pg. 134 )

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62314#relPageId=134

Nonsense. 

 

The Dallas Transit System told the FBI that a bus was scheduled to stop there at 1:12, 1:22 and about every ten minutes thereafter; nothing about Markham catching a 1:12 bus. 

 

Stop making things up to fit your narrative. 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Bill Brown

[Bill Brown]

21 minutes ago, Sean Coleman said:

(groan)…so….you are using Callaway as a yardstick  to suggest shots are fired at 115pm when the man himself puts them at around 1pm….that’s what.

I prefer DVP, at least he knows what he’s on about

Callaway said "around 1 pm or so".

 

1:14, 1:15 could be considered "around 1 pm or so" to many people. How do you know exactly what Callaway meant by "around" and "or so"?

 

 

[Bill Brown]

1 hour ago, Gil Jesus said:

Witness T.F. Bowley was on his way to pick up his daughter at school. He arrived at the scene after the shooter had left and saw Tippit on the ground. He looked at his watch and it said 1:10. ( CE 2003, 24 H 202 )

Bowley's watch couldn't have been off by 5 or 6 minutes?

 

I guess it comes down to whether or not you allow your bias to cause you to dismiss the detailed actions of Callaway and Benavides and the time stamps on the police tapes in favor of Bowley's 1963 era windup wristwatch.