Paul Brancato Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 My opinion for what it’s worth is that John’s fate is linked to deep state. I also think his bed ins are widely misunderstood. He wasn’t a danger in 1980, but the choice was always going to be his whether to be more influential. We Beatle fans sadly misread Yoko and their public relationship. It seemed very silly and useless at the time, but looked at through the broader lens I see an effort to change the iconic image of 2000 years of Christianity from Father - son - Holy Spirit to Man - woman - child. Call me crazy … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said: My opinion for what it’s worth is that John’s fate is linked to deep state. I also think his bed ins are widely misunderstood. He wasn’t a danger in 1980, but the choice was always going to be his whether to be more influential. We Beatle fans sadly misread Yoko and their public relationship. It seemed very silly and useless at the time, but looked at through the broader lens I see an effort to change the iconic image of 2000 years of Christianity from Father - son - Holy Spirit to Man - woman - child. Call me crazy … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Chris Barnard said: So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: So true. https://patch.com/new-york/upper-west-side-nyc/did-cia-target-john-lennon-1980-part-1 Are there still classified CIA files on John Lennon? —————————————————— How many of these sentiments were directly against government / corporate agendas in 1971? Imagine there's no heavenIt's easy if you tryNo hell below usAbove us only skyImagine all the peopleLiving for today, I Imagine there's no countriesIt isn't hard to doNothing to kill or die forAnd no religion tooImagine all the peopleLiving life in peace You may say I'm a dreamerBut I'm not the only oneI hope someday you'll join usAnd the world will be as one Imagine no possessionsI wonder if you canNo need for greed or hungerA brotherhood of manImagine all the peopleSharing all the world, you You may say I'm a dreamerBut I'm not the only oneI hope someday you'll join usAnd the world will live as one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Griffith Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 5:15 PM, Anthony Thorne said: As a couple of articles have noted, who could have got hundreds of thousands of people into the street singing anti-war anthems, if not Lennon? This would have been inconvenient for the incoming administration that planned, and got, a lot of new military interventions. This sounds downright nutty. If you'd read some non-paranoid sources on Lennon's killer, Mark Chapman, you'd discover that Chapman also contemplated killing Ronald Reagan, Johnny Carson, Paul McCartney, and Elizabeth Taylor. Really, folks, if your goal is to make this forum look like a loony farm, you're doing a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) It's been mentioned that Lennon's murder took place on the eve of US involvement in the Contra war and other Central American reformations (bleeding over, almost literally, into the Iran hostage crisis and the Iran-Iraq war), for which GHW Bush controlled the NSC. Perhaps it was thought prophylactic to not hand Lennon another war to oppose as he emerged from his dormant phase. Lennon's new album Double Fantasy was anything but political, but remember this was the remnant of the same reactionary state in which Edgar Hoover had Martha and the Vandellas' "Dancing In the Street" investigated as a covert call to rioting. The accused assassin had plans to assassinate other public figures? Puts him up there with that guy who legendarily wanted to hit Nixon and General Walker before killing a president. Not to mention that guy said to have hoped to hit Nixon before he settled for crippling Governor Wallace. Edited April 24, 2023 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Griffith Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, David Andrews said: It's been mentioned that Lennon's murder took place on the eve of US involvement in the Contra war and other Central American reformations (bleeding over, almost literally, into the Iran hostage crisis and the Iran-Iraq war), for which GHW Bush controlled the NSC. Perhaps it was thought prophylactic to not hand Lennon another war to oppose. Oh, sheesh. #Paranoid Or maybe, just maybe, Lennon was not killed by the Secret Team but by a man who was clearly deranged and who also contemplated Ronald Reagan, Johnny Carson, Paul McCartney, and Liz Taylor. Are there any moderators who actually care about the image of this forum? Are there any moderators who want to prevent this forum from looking like a haven for every nutty, paranoid, absurd delusion peddled by the Far Left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Are there any moderators who actually care about the image of this forum? Hopefully some of the same who permitted discussion of the Lennon killing on this forum in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Given the CIA’s penchant for engineering assassinations of political “undesirables” and setting up patsies to take the blame, it’s not all far-fetched to wonder if John Lennon was a victim of this murderous modus operandi. Here’s an article about John Lennon’s political radicalism, “Gimme Some Truth: John Lennon’s Political Rebirth”, subtitled “Penning songs such as ‘Gimme Some Truth,’ John Lennon radicalized his music and became one of the most politically engaged musicians in history.”: https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/gimme-some-truth-john-lennon-politics/ The lyrics of Lennon’s song “Working Class Hero” are a scathing critique of the American Dream: As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be They hurt you at home and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool Till you're so xxxxing crazy you can't follow their rules A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be When they've tortured and scared you for twenty-odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function you're so full of fear A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still xxxxing peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be There's room at the top they're telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be If you want to be a hero well just follow me If you want to be a hero well just follow me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMewtlmkV6c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, John Cotter said: Given the CIA’s penchant for engineering assassinations of political “undesirables” and setting up patsies to take the blame, it’s not all far-fetched to wonder if John Lennon was a victim of this murderous modus operandi. Here’s an article about John Lennon’s political radicalism, “Gimme Some Truth: John Lennon’s Political Rebirth”, subtitled “Penning songs such as ‘Gimme Some Truth,’ John Lennon radicalized his music and became one of the most politically engaged musicians in history.”: https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/gimme-some-truth-john-lennon-politics/ The lyrics of Lennon’s song “Working Class Hero” are a scathing critique of the American Dream: As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be They hurt you at home and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool Till you're so xxxxing crazy you can't follow their rules A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be When they've tortured and scared you for twenty-odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function you're so full of fear A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still xxxxing peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be There's room at the top they're telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be If you want to be a hero well just follow me If you want to be a hero well just follow me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMewtlmkV6c Thanks for the reminder. His death, in a much delayed reaction a few years later, hit me hard, and I sobbed deeply and on and off for a week. I still ask myself what he would say now were he still with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 42 minutes ago, Pete Mellor said: Love this - thanks Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K K Lane Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 12 hours ago, Michael Griffith said: Really, folks, if your goal is to make this forum look like a loony farm, you're doing a great job. Michael: my intent was to provide both the pro- and anti-conspiracy views with this thread -- and so to avoid reflexive conspiracy thinking. The pro- side (ubiqitous deep state evil) has been amply outlined by previous commenters. The anti- side is that -- perhaps -- all assassinations are messy from the standpoint of witnesses and medical info so the Lennon "messiness" detracts from the level of proof inherent in the substantial JFKA evidence. When years ago I deep-dived into the JFK assassination I was shocked when I chanced on the "news" that RFK's assassination was credibly questioned as well. My initial reaction was that if conspiracy theorists are questioning the "open and shut" RFK case then maybe they're overstating the JFKA conspiracies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Griffith Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 You folks have it all wrong. Lennon was killed by the Majestic 12 because he was going to expose the UFO cover-up. It's so obvious. Surely by then the Majestic 12 had taken over the MK-ULTRA program. Obviously, they programmed Mark Chapman to shoot Lennon. They even cleverly had Chapman leave behind evidence that he was also thinking about shooting Ronald Reagan, Johnny Carson, and Liz Taylor, so as to make it appear that he was just a total nutjob who was considering killing liberals and conservatives alike. The heck with Occam's razor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Whelan Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Hello everyone, This discussion appears to be taking some strange turns. I have requested that the Controversial Subjects forum has a John Lennon Assassination forum of its own. Requests from others on here for a Lennon murder forum, can only help my cause. I have spent three years now researching the Lennon assassination. My ultimate goal is to re-open an investigation into John's murder, as he never got one back in December 1980. My book and documentary will be coming out at the end of this year. In the meantime, I will be revealing information through the mainstream and independent media and my socials and Substack page. To help clarify a few Lennon murder myths that have been floating around the world for the past 42 years, please read my first Substack post. Many more will follow shortly. https://davidwhelan.substack.com/ Please excuse my absence in the coming weeks. Im dealing with a lot of media requests at the moment, but will try and answer any questions you may have if I get the time in the weeks ahead. Best wishes, David Whelan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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