THE SMALLEST CONSPIRACY POSSIBLE: A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT.

[Chris Bristow]

EDIT: I mistakenly referenced Carlos Marcello as Sam Giancana throughout this post. It has been corrected.

 

This is not going to be about creating a new theory of the assassination. This is simply an exercise that may spark new lines of thought around some limited aspect of an overall conspiracy. Trying to adhere to the premise which considers the smallest amount of people required for a conspiracy, may be contrived at some point,  but that's okay. This is just an exercise in Creative thought that is meant to stimulate fresh perspectives.

Carlos Marcello hated the Kennedys and wanted to get even after his deportation by RFK. His personal pilot David Ferrie was connected to Oswald through the Civil Air Patrol and may have known of Oswald's employment at the TSB.

The original Dallas motorcade route went down Main Street and was close enough to the TSB for an assassin to take a shot from there. These connections may have presented an opportunity for Marcello to initiate a murder plot. Ferrie could have contacted Oswald to make him a shooter in the plot, or maybe Oswald was enlisted to be the Inside Man who helped get the shooter in and out of the building unnoticed. Maybe he just helped set up the snipers nest,  hide the rifle and possibly run interference to help a shooter egress after the deed was done. So the beginning of the conspiracy could have as little as five people if we add a second shooter at the South Knoll and another mob person to assist in the organization of the plot.

The mob has been known to set up a patsy and then have them killed to wrap up the Loose Ends. Oswald may have been a valuable asset as a shooter and the Patsy.

Oswald being well known to agent Hosty and having been in recent contact with him could have tied the hands of the FBI to some degree and benefited Marcello. The FBI may have wanted to bury their connection to Oswald. They would have seemed less than competent for failing to keep track of Oswald's employment and inform the Secret Service  of Oswald's proximity to Dealey Plaza and the motorcade route.

 An infinitely larger problem for the FBI and intelligence communities was Oswald's connections to Russia. On the afternoon of the assassination Oswald's presence as an employee at the TSB and as a possible suspect were revealed. At that very early stage of the investigation the FBI would have seriously considered the possibility that the assassination was carried out by Russia. They would not know if in the coming hours other connections to Russia might have come to light.

It would not be an exaggeration to say that uncovering a Russian plot could lead to a nuclear Exchange between our countries. Even if the US did not initiate such an action we could not be sure that the Russians, having been found out, would not attempt a first strike. 

 The FBI would have been forced to proceed very carefully with their investigation  and  not release information on suspects who  could soon be found to be associated with the Russians. This could have benefited Marcello. If he had used a person with a Russian name as the primary contact to Oswald from the mob, what would the FBI do with that? The only smart thing to do would be to cover that up, at least for a while.

 We know a majority of the Parkland staff reported a large blowout in the occipital parietal. If the reports were correct it would be pointing to a possible 2nd gunman and a conspiracy.  if true, The Prudent action would have to be to cover up that fact, at least temporarily. By the time the autopsy was done it had been less than 24 hours since the assassination, they would still be very much in the dark. This is where the conspiracy would expand. That cover-up would be safest course of action for the country at that moment.

 Most of the staff at the autopsy were naval military and had to sign secrecy statements that came with severe penalties. they would not be willing participants in the cover-up as much as loyal Personnel that had to keep their mouth shut. At that point The Conspiracy to cover up the autopsy would expand to maybe  a dozen  intelligence agents?

It would also require the assistance of a few peripheral players like Arlan Spector who according to agents Sibert and O'Neill 'lost' much of the photographic evidence and notes from the autopsy.

 Maybe a few well-placed people within the Warren Commission were brought into the loop. Maybe some FBI agents were required to cover up some evidence like bullet fragments or maybe a hole in the windshield.

Jack Ruby was thought to be a low-level mob person. It may be that Marcello knew in advance that Ruby had access to the Dallas Police Department and could come and go without suspicion. They might have decided to use Ruby to kill Oswald before Ruby even knew it.

Ruby showed up at the last second before Oswald was transferred. It is thought that there needed to be another Inside man at the police department to make sure Ruby was in place before the transfer. That would require one more conspirator. But maybe Ruby was trying to run late so he would have an excuse for not killing Oswald. if he was tapped to kill Oswald his life was basically over.  He would likely be killed himself if he failed to follow orders. So maybe he tried to miss the transfer, but because Oswald ran late his plan didn't work. 

 So maybe  a couple dozen people had to remain silent about the cover-up. But if it was not a cabal of nefarious traitors, just a group of loyal Americans doing what needed to be done to prevent nuclear war, it might have been easier to keep the lid on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by Chris Bristow

[Norman T. Field]

"Sam Giancana hated the Kennedys and wanted to get even after his deportation by RFK. His personal pilot David Ferrie was connected to Oswald through the Civil Air Patrol and may have known of Oswald's employment at the TSB."

 

I believe you have confused Giancana with Marcello. 

[Benjamin Cole]

I have posited the JFKA involved as few as three people, one the unwitting LHO. 

Two guys from the Miami CIA-Cuban exile community travel to Dallas. They have learned through the grapevine about LHO, or maybe one of them knows LHO from New Orleans. 

They toss a few CIA names around to LHO, and ID themselves as CIA assets, under deep cover.

LHO agrees to shoot at, and miss JFK, a replay of the Walker shooting. Maybe money is involved. This is a false flag op against JFK, to be blamed on Castro. 

One Cuban shoots at JFK for real, and the other does a smoke-and-bang show at the GK area. 

The two Cubans run away, leave LHO holding the bag, and then Ruby is hired out by the CIA to shoot LHO. The CIA and Mob are already tight, as we know. 

The CIA could not have the story get out that CIA assets shot JFK, using another CIA guy as a patsy. The two Cubans are likely dead soon also. 

[Chris Bristow]

11 hours ago, Norman T. Field said:

"Sam Giancana hated the Kennedys and wanted to get even after his deportation by RFK. His personal pilot David Ferrie was connected to Oswald through the Civil Air Patrol and may have known of Oswald's employment at the TSB."

 

I believe you have confused Giancana with Marcello. 

Yes I did confuse them. thank you for the correction.

[Michael Griffith]

If you study other conspiracies, i.e., conspiracies that virtually no one disputes, you find that intricate, powerful conspiracies do not require hundreds of knowing participants. For example, the Iran-Contra conspiracy plotted to initiate actions that involved hundreds of people who had no idea they were furthering the goals of a plot. 

As a micro example, consider the JFK autopsy. Only a handful of people at the autopsy knew they were carrying out a cover-up. Most of the people at the autopsy had no idea they were witnessing or facilitating a cover-up. Sibert and O'Neill, for instance, wrote a report on the autopsy that contained revealing, damaging information that proved problematic for the lone-gunman theory. Several other federal agents gave descriptions of JFK's wounds in their reports and/or WC testimony that contradicted the lone-gunman story. When the medical personnel at the autopsy later spoke with the HSCA, most of them provided damning descriptions of the large head wound that Baden and/or Blakey felt compelled to suppress and lie about. 

Similarly, a number of DPD officers and FBI agents submitted reports and/or gave testimony about the evidence regarding the shooting that contained damning information that WC apologists later had to attack as "inaccurate," "mistaken," etc.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[Chris Bristow]

21 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I have posited the JFKA involved as few as three people, one the unwitting LHO. 

Two guys from the Miami CIA-Cuban exile community travel to Dallas. They have learned through the grapevine about LHO, or maybe one of them knows LHO from New Orleans. 

They toss a few CIA names around to LHO, and ID themselves as CIA assets, under deep cover.

LHO agrees to shoot at, and miss JFK, a replay of the Walker shooting. Maybe money is involved. This is a false flag op against JFK, to be blamed on Castro. 

One Cuban shoots at JFK for real, and the other does a smoke-and-bang show at the GK area. 

The two Cubans run away, leave LHO holding the bag, and then Ruby is hired out by the CIA to shoot LHO. The CIA and Mob are already tight, as we know. 

The CIA could not have the story get out that CIA assets shot JFK, using another CIA guy as a patsy. The two Cubans are likely dead soon also. 

Well that's definitely a very small conspiracy. It seems plausible but they would have to be shooting from somewhere very close to the sixth floor position to match the trajectory. I can't imagine them firing from the same window as Oswald because he would realize he's been set up as soon as they fire the second and third shot and hit JFK.

 The west side of the TSB would have a trajectory that's 30° different from the 6th floor, so I don't think that would work. There is a spot on the roof of the Daltex from which a shooter would match Oswald's throat shot trajectory to within a couple degrees. The middle window on the 7th Floor would match the headshot trajectory. Theoretically they could fire from those positions and it would not be distinguishable from shots from Oswald's position.

[Micah Mileto]

I have always wondered if, in a Pat-Speerian way of argumentation, the shooting could've been accomplished by a single shooter using an automatic rifle, alternating between firing high and low velocity shots.

[Benjamin Cole]

1 hour ago, Micah Mileto said:

I have always wondered if, in a Pat-Speerian way of argumentation, the shooting could've been accomplished by a single shooter using an automatic rifle, alternating between firing high and low velocity shots.

One of Secret Service agents described a "flurry" of bullets entering the limo, and John Connally, a smart guy who knew guns, said he thought they were being shot at by "automatic weapons." That's on the record, in the WC testimony. 

OK, speculation from me too---

If we accept JFK's body was altered pre-autopsy...what if a bullet was extracted from JFK's body? The reason to extract the bullet was because it was not a 6.5 mil. Western ammo bullet.

One thing I cannot find out through web-searching: When a pathologist probes a bullet wound, can he/she always probe to the conclusion of the wound or the exit? Or, does it happen from time to time that the probe is blocked, as internal organs and muscle change position? 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

1 hour ago, Chris Bristow said:

Well that's definitely a very small conspiracy. It seems plausible but they would have to be shooting from somewhere very close to the sixth floor position to match the trajectory. I can't imagine them firing from the same window as Oswald because he would realize he's been set up as soon as they fire the second and third shot and hit JFK.

 The west side of the TSB would have a trajectory that's 30° different from the 6th floor, so I don't think that would work. There is a spot on the roof of the Daltex from which a shooter would match Oswald's throat shot trajectory to within a couple degrees. The middle window on the 7th Floor would match the headshot trajectory. Theoretically they could fire from those positions and it would not be distinguishable from shots from Oswald's position.

I have long been reserved about trajectory analysis. 

Hume said he stuck his finger into the JFK back wound, and it descended at a 60% degree angle. No one has ever clarified if Hume meant 60% down from JFK's front or back. In other words, is the acute angle on the front or back? 

Call it 45% for sake of argument. Still impossible to trace that back to origin. Bullets can change direction inside human body. 

The second shooter could have been in the Dal-Tex building, or a floor above LHO. 

There was a curious episode in the 2nd floor on the TSBD. 

 

 

[Calvin Ye]

On 6/1/2023 at 4:25 AM, Chris Bristow said:

EDIT: I mistakenly referenced Carlos Marcello as Sam Giancana throughout this post. It has been corrected.

 

This is not going to be about creating a new theory of the assassination. This is simply an exercise that may spark new lines of thought around some limited aspect of an overall conspiracy. Trying to adhere to the premise which considers the smallest amount of people required for a conspiracy, may be contrived at some point,  but that's okay. This is just an exercise in Creative thought that is meant to stimulate fresh perspectives.

Carlos Marcello hated the Kennedys and wanted to get even after his deportation by RFK. His personal pilot David Ferrie was connected to Oswald through the Civil Air Patrol and may have known of Oswald's employment at the TSB.

The original Dallas motorcade route went down Main Street and was close enough to the TSB for an assassin to take a shot from there. These connections may have presented an opportunity for Marcello to initiate a murder plot. Ferrie could have contacted Oswald to make him a shooter in the plot, or maybe Oswald was enlisted to be the Inside Man who helped get the shooter in and out of the building unnoticed. Maybe he just helped set up the snipers nest,  hide the rifle and possibly run interference to help a shooter egress after the deed was done. So the beginning of the conspiracy could have as little as five people if we add a second shooter at the South Knoll and another mob person to assist in the organization of the plot.

The mob has been known to set up a patsy and then have them killed to wrap up the Loose Ends. Oswald may have been a valuable asset as a shooter and the Patsy.

Oswald being well known to agent Hosty and having been in recent contact with him could have tied the hands of the FBI to some degree and benefited Marcello. The FBI may have wanted to bury their connection to Oswald. They would have seemed less than competent for failing to keep track of Oswald's employment and inform the Secret Service  of Oswald's proximity to Dealey Plaza and the motorcade route.

 An infinitely larger problem for the FBI and intelligence communities was Oswald's connections to Russia. On the afternoon of the assassination Oswald's presence as an employee at the TSB and as a possible suspect were revealed. At that very early stage of the investigation the FBI would have seriously considered the possibility that the assassination was carried out by Russia. They would not know if in the coming hours other connections to Russia might have come to light.

It would not be an exaggeration to say that uncovering a Russian plot could lead to a nuclear Exchange between our countries. Even if the US did not initiate such an action we could not be sure that the Russians, having been found out, would not attempt a first strike. 

 The FBI would have been forced to proceed very carefully with their investigation  and  not release information on suspects who  could soon be found to be associated with the Russians. This could have benefited Marcello. If he had used a person with a Russian name as the primary contact to Oswald from the mob, what would the FBI do with that? The only smart thing to do would be to cover that up, at least for a while.

 We know a majority of the Parkland staff reported a large blowout in the occipital parietal. If the reports were correct it would be pointing to a possible 2nd gunman and a conspiracy.  if true, The Prudent action would have to be to cover up that fact, at least temporarily. By the time the autopsy was done it had been less than 24 hours since the assassination, they would still be very much in the dark. This is where the conspiracy would expand. That cover-up would be safest course of action for the country at that moment.

 Most of the staff at the autopsy were naval military and had to sign secrecy statements that came with severe penalties. they would not be willing participants in the cover-up as much as loyal Personnel that had to keep their mouth shut. At that point The Conspiracy to cover up the autopsy would expand to maybe  a dozen  intelligence agents?

It would also require the assistance of a few peripheral players like Arlan Spector who according to agents Sibert and O'Neill 'lost' much of the photographic evidence and notes from the autopsy.

 Maybe a few well-placed people within the Warren Commission were brought into the loop. Maybe some FBI agents were required to cover up some evidence like bullet fragments or maybe a hole in the windshield.

Jack Ruby was thought to be a low-level mob person. It may be that Marcello knew in advance that Ruby had access to the Dallas Police Department and could come and go without suspicion. They might have decided to use Ruby to kill Oswald before Ruby even knew it.

Ruby showed up at the last second before Oswald was transferred. It is thought that there needed to be another Inside man at the police department to make sure Ruby was in place before the transfer. That would require one more conspirator. But maybe Ruby was trying to run late so he would have an excuse for not killing Oswald. if he was tapped to kill Oswald his life was basically over.  He would likely be killed himself if he failed to follow orders. So maybe he tried to miss the transfer, but because Oswald ran late his plan didn't work. 

 So maybe  a couple dozen people had to remain silent about the cover-up. But if it was not a cabal of nefarious traitors, just a group of loyal Americans doing what needed to be done to prevent nuclear war, it might have been easier to keep the lid on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 6/1/2023 at 4:25 AM, Chris Bristow said:

EDIT: I mistakenly referenced Carlos Marcello as Sam Giancana throughout this post. It has been corrected.

 

This is not going to be about creating a new theory of the assassination. This is simply an exercise that may spark new lines of thought around some limited aspect of an overall conspiracy. Trying to adhere to the premise which considers the smallest amount of people required for a conspiracy, may be contrived at some point,  but that's okay. This is just an exercise in Creative thought that is meant to stimulate fresh perspectives.

Carlos Marcello hated the Kennedys and wanted to get even after his deportation by RFK. His personal pilot David Ferrie was connected to Oswald through the Civil Air Patrol and may have known of Oswald's employment at the TSB.

The original Dallas motorcade route went down Main Street and was close enough to the TSB for an assassin to take a shot from there. These connections may have presented an opportunity for Marcello to initiate a murder plot. Ferrie could have contacted Oswald to make him a shooter in the plot, or maybe Oswald was enlisted to be the Inside Man who helped get the shooter in and out of the building unnoticed. Maybe he just helped set up the snipers nest,  hide the rifle and possibly run interference to help a shooter egress after the deed was done. So the beginning of the conspiracy could have as little as five people if we add a second shooter at the South Knoll and another mob person to assist in the organization of the plot.

The mob has been known to set up a patsy and then have them killed to wrap up the Loose Ends. Oswald may have been a valuable asset as a shooter and the Patsy.

Oswald being well known to agent Hosty and having been in recent contact with him could have tied the hands of the FBI to some degree and benefited Marcello. The FBI may have wanted to bury their connection to Oswald. They would have seemed less than competent for failing to keep track of Oswald's employment and inform the Secret Service  of Oswald's proximity to Dealey Plaza and the motorcade route.

 An infinitely larger problem for the FBI and intelligence communities was Oswald's connections to Russia. On the afternoon of the assassination Oswald's presence as an employee at the TSB and as a possible suspect were revealed. At that very early stage of the investigation the FBI would have seriously considered the possibility that the assassination was carried out by Russia. They would not know if in the coming hours other connections to Russia might have come to light.

It would not be an exaggeration to say that uncovering a Russian plot could lead to a nuclear Exchange between our countries. Even if the US did not initiate such an action we could not be sure that the Russians, having been found out, would not attempt a first strike. 

 The FBI would have been forced to proceed very carefully with their investigation  and  not release information on suspects who  could soon be found to be associated with the Russians. This could have benefited Marcello. If he had used a person with a Russian name as the primary contact to Oswald from the mob, what would the FBI do with that? The only smart thing to do would be to cover that up, at least for a while.

 We know a majority of the Parkland staff reported a large blowout in the occipital parietal. If the reports were correct it would be pointing to a possible 2nd gunman and a conspiracy.  if true, The Prudent action would have to be to cover up that fact, at least temporarily. By the time the autopsy was done it had been less than 24 hours since the assassination, they would still be very much in the dark. This is where the conspiracy would expand. That cover-up would be safest course of action for the country at that moment.

 Most of the staff at the autopsy were naval military and had to sign secrecy statements that came with severe penalties. they would not be willing participants in the cover-up as much as loyal Personnel that had to keep their mouth shut. At that point The Conspiracy to cover up the autopsy would expand to maybe  a dozen  intelligence agents?

It would also require the assistance of a few peripheral players like Arlan Spector who according to agents Sibert and O'Neill 'lost' much of the photographic evidence and notes from the autopsy.

 Maybe a few well-placed people within the Warren Commission were brought into the loop. Maybe some FBI agents were required to cover up some evidence like bullet fragments or maybe a hole in the windshield.

Jack Ruby was thought to be a low-level mob person. It may be that Marcello knew in advance that Ruby had access to the Dallas Police Department and could come and go without suspicion. They might have decided to use Ruby to kill Oswald before Ruby even knew it.

Ruby showed up at the last second before Oswald was transferred. It is thought that there needed to be another Inside man at the police department to make sure Ruby was in place before the transfer. That would require one more conspirator. But maybe Ruby was trying to run late so he would have an excuse for not killing Oswald. if he was tapped to kill Oswald his life was basically over.  He would likely be killed himself if he failed to follow orders. So maybe he tried to miss the transfer, but because Oswald ran late his plan didn't work. 

 So maybe  a couple dozen people had to remain silent about the cover-up. But if it was not a cabal of nefarious traitors, just a group of loyal Americans doing what needed to be done to prevent nuclear war, it might have been easier to keep the lid on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Dallas Mafia, the Civello family is an ally of Marcello. The Civello family has links to the DPD.

[Pat Speer]

On 6/2/2023 at 4:54 PM, Benjamin Cole said:

I have long been reserved about trajectory analysis. 

Hume said he stuck his finger into the JFK back wound, and it descended at a 60% degree angle. No one has ever clarified if Hume meant 60% down from JFK's front or back. In other words, is the acute angle on the front or back? 

Call it 45% for sake of argument. Still impossible to trace that back to origin. Bullets can change direction inside human body. 

The second shooter could have been in the Dal-Tex building, or a floor above LHO. 

There was a curious episode in the 2nd floor on the TSBD. 

 

 

Food for thought...

[Benjamin Cole]

6 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Food for thought...

PS---

Was it ever clarified on Hume's 30/60 degree angle---is the acute angle measured from JFK's back, or front? 

Even assuming 45% for sake of argument, would suggest JFK was shot at steep angle from above. That does not seem physically possible. 

My take-away is that computer simulations that "work back" the shooter's location based on the wounds (CT or LN), if done honestly, offer a wide latitude of potential assassin locations. In other words, the assassin (or one of them) could be anywhere in the TSBD or Dal-Tex building above the ground floor. 

I see what you are suggesting, and I do not contest it: The lower head wound resulted in an exit wound in JFK's front throat.

What, then, about the back wound? Where did the bullet go?  I dunno. 

Unfortunately, the autopsy was not an autopsy, and the body may have been monkeyed with before the autopsy. It is possible a non-Western ammo slug was removed from the body. 

Is it true the back wound in JFK, as explored by Humes, extended in only two inches? Or (more likely, I think) was Humes an amateur, and an experienced forensic pathologist, working with a probe, would have wiggled and maneuvered the probe and found the bullet path? 

You have presented a formidable body of work in your website, and I do not contest it. 

For me, it is the timing of shots that is less confusing, and more-easily identified. 

But we even disagree on that, the timing of shots (I think JBC was shot about Z-295). 

So it goes in the world of JFKA research. 

[Michael Crane]

1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:

The lower head wound resulted in an exit wound in JFK's front throat.

Whoa,horsie,whoa.I'm astounded by this statement.

The lower head wound is what caused the cerebellum damage IMHO. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Michael Crane

[Benjamin Cole]

16 minutes ago, Michael Crane said:

Whoa,horsie,whoa.I'm astounded by this statement.

The lower head wound is what caused the cerebellum damage IMHO. 

Just talking out loud here---could not a bullet pass through the lower rear of JFK's skull, do cerebellum damage, then go on to exit from the throat? 

[Michael Crane]

3 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Just talking out loud here---could not a bullet pass through the lower rear of JFK's skull, do cerebellum damage, then go on to exit from the throat? 

Looking at Pat's diagram,I would say yes,but you know as well as I,that the Dr's at Parkland said the throat wound was a frontal shot.