Wesley Buell Frazier part of the conspiracy?

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

The Many Facets of Wesley Buell Frazier in the JFK Assassination

The assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, stands as one of the most pivotal moments in American history. Among the key figures scrutinized during the Warren Commission's investigation was Wesley Buell Frazier, the man known for driving Lee Harvey Oswald to the Texas School Book Depository on that fateful morning.

Unraveling a Military Past
While Frazier's involvement in the JFK case has been under the spotlight, a New York Post article has brought to light that Frazier had two stints in the U.S. Army. This revelation presents a broader perspective of Frazier's life, stretching beyond his notable connection with Oswald.

The specifics and broader implications of his military service have not been widely discussed, but this newfound knowledge enriches Frazier's profile, prompting inquiries into how his Army tenure influenced his beliefs and possibly his interactions in the year 1963.

Decoding the TSBD Connection
Frazier's employment at the Texas School Book Depository invariably links him to the assassination. But did he inform Oswald of potential job openings at the Depository, thereby indirectly shaping the events of November 22?

The Warren Commission often underscores the roles of Ruth Paine and Linnie Mae Randle, Frazier's sister, in facilitating Oswald's employment at the Depository. However, a lingering question remains: Why would Linnie inform Ruth, who would then relay the message through Marina to Lee, especially when both Linnie and Wesley had direct access to Oswald? It's worth noting that Linnie and Wesley lived adjacent to Ruth's residence. Further, was Frazier already offering carpooling services to Oswald between Dallas and Irving even before Oswald's tenure at the Depository began?

Conclusion
Although there's scant evidence to suggest that Wesley Buell Frazier had any conspiratorial role in JFK's assassination, the layers of his life, particularly his military background, paint a multifaceted portrait of the man. As is true with many historical events, a deeper dive into the lives of those involved can elucidate a more nuanced understanding of the broader scenario and the intricate dynamics at play.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You could start by, you know, getting the man's name right ?

[Joe Bauer]

Frazier in the Army?

Before 11,22,1963?

I thought he was a teenager in November of 1963?

Sorry, if Frazier was some deeper intrigue character in this whole affair versus his seemingly innocently kind, nice and generous Mayberry RFD country boy self...the guy is one heck of a great actor.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

13 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Frazier in the Army?

Before 11,22,1963?

I thought he was a teenager in November of 1963?

Sorry, if Frazier was some deeper intrigue character in this whole affair versus his seemingly innocent kind, nice and generous Mayberry country boy self...the guy is one heck of a great actor.

https://nypost.com/2008/11/23/the-man-who-drove-oswald-to-work-on-nov-22-1963/

[Bill Brown]

 

It's threads like this one which diminish the quality of this forum.

It is well-known that Frazier served in the Army and the article linked above hasn't "brought to light" this information, even back in 2008 when the article was published.  His time in the service came after the events of 11/22/63.

Secondly, Frazier testified during the Shaw trial and mention is made of his time in the Army.  He was asked to give the length of his rifle in terms of feet and inches and even though he broke that weapon down many times while in the service, he severely underestimated.

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Bill Brown

[Pat Speer]

1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:

 

It's threads like this one which diminish the quality of this forum.

It is well-known that Frazier served in the Army and the article linked above hasn't "brought to light" this information, even back in 2008 when the article was published.  His time in the service came after the events of 11/22/63.

Secondly, Frazier testified during the Shaw trial and mention is made of his time in the Army.  He was asked to give the length of his rifle in terms of feet and inches and even though he broke that weapon down many times while in the service, he severely underestimated.

 

And yet, amazingly, when asked by the FBI to approximate the length of the bag on the back seat of his car, his approximate was measured at 26 inches, the precise length of his initial estimate. This was barely a week after the shooting. 

That is far more relevant than his incorrectly estimating the length of something he hadn't ever measured out, and hadn't seen in years.

[Joe Bauer]

Buell Wesley Frazier in his younger days and a rare pic of him in the army?

[Greg Doudna]

I agree with Bill Brown here, "It's threads like this one which diminish the quality of this forum.".

Here a thread has been put up with a title and heading, forever after to be picked up by online search engines, suggesting there is some suspicion that Buell Frazier was part of the assassination, even though the poster simultaneously says in the fine print below the headline which only 1 out of 100 readers of search engines will read,

 "Although there's scant evidence to suggest that Wesley Buell Frazier had any conspiratorial role in JFK's assassination..."

But then closes with the ringing words (nice-sounding but which say nothing):

"the layers of his life, particularly his military background, paint a multifaceted portrait of the man. As is true with many historical events, a deeper dive into the lives of those involved can elucidate a more nuanced understanding of the broader scenario and the intricate dynamics at play."

And what specifics of Buell Frazier's life in the present case are suggested to "elucidate a more nuanced understanding of the broader scenario and the intricate dynamics at play"?

It is that Buell Frazier later served in the Army! 

"The specifics and broader implications of his military service have not been widely discussed, but this newfound knowledge enriches Frazier's profile, prompting inquiries into how his Army tenure influenced his beliefs and possibly his interactions in the year 1963."

A profound question indeed: how were Buell's "beliefs and possibly his interactions in the year 1963" influenced by his later Army enlistment, in one of the most common employments found by nonwealthy young men in America? The poster offers no suggestion of an answer to that question, simply puts that question out into the air for others to run with. 

The objectionable thing about this post is the smearing of an innocent person in the way the headline is phrased, on the basis of nothing substantial. If there is nothing substantial, why post this kind of wording of a headline about someone at all. 

Buell Frazier in my opinion has been one of the most sympathetic figures. At 19 years old, he showed courage in standing up to the force of Fritz attempting to (a) pressure him into signing something putting him in complicity with the assassination, and (b) many attempts to get him to change his length estimate of the paper bag he saw Oswald bring to work the morning of the assassination. Fritz terrorized the kid. But Buell stuck to what he knew was the truth. And from all accounts, has been a decent and good man the rest of his life.  

[Jean Ceulemans]

13 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Buell Wesley Frazier in his younger days and a rare pic of him in the army?

 

Joe, here's another one :

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Jean Ceulemans

[Joe Bauer]

2 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:

Buell Frazier in my opinion has been one of the most sympathetic figures. At 19 years old, he showed courage in standing up to the force of Fritz attempting to (a) pressure him into signing something putting him in complicity with the assassination, and (b) many attempts to get him to change his length estimate of the paper bag he saw Oswald bring to work the morning of the assassination. Fritz terrorized the kid. But Buell stuck to what he knew was the truth. And from all accounts, has been a decent and good man the rest of his life.  

Frazier bravely told Will Fritz something close to:

"If you hit me we's gonna have one hell of a fight."

Now THAT took guts.

And it's my understanding the Frazier never once asked for nor ever took one nickel from Oswald during all the times he transported Oswald to and from work.

Gas may have been cheap back in those days, but it wasn't free.

And it sounds as if penny pincher Oswald never offered one nickel on his own to Frazier to help with gas.

And yet, Frazier never once complained to anyone about this, including the rest of his life and giving maybe 100 talks about it.

Instead Frazier has always had nothing but good to say about Oswald this entire last sixty years.

Frazier about Oswald:

Lee was a nice feller. He was quiet. He did like talking about his babies. Lee liked children and they liked him.

Lee was a quick learner at work. I liked Lee.

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Joe Bauer]

Did Frazier describe his military service in talks or a book?

What was his duty classification. How long did he serve and where?

Did he like the military and do well in his service time?

 

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

In the vast and intricate web of conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination, there exists a plethora of figures, some more prominent than others. While Lee Harvey Oswald remains the central figure in official narratives, what if we turned our gaze to Wesley Frazier?

Setting the Stage:
In the televised testimony during the Oswald trial, a seemingly innocuous detail caught the attention of many. When asked if Oswald talked much during their car ride, Frazier's eyes darted to the right before he responded that Oswald remained mostly silent. According to some interpretations of body language, this eye movement might suggest deception. But what if there was more to it?

Wesley Frazier: A Puppet Master?
Let's indulge in a speculative scenario. What if Wesley Frazier knows more than he lets on? What if he was aware that Oswald had a gun when he transported him to the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD)? Could it be possible that Frazier was planted at the TSBD in September, with a mission to manipulate and push Oswald towards the heinous act of attempting to assassinate JFK?

Frazier's own account places him in the shadows of the hallway of the TSBD during the shooting, a mere couple of steps behind Billy Lovelady. Yet, he was confident enough to pinpoint the area from where he believed the shots were fired. This claim raises eyebrows. How could someone in the shadows have such a clear perception?

The Grassy Knoll Connection:
Taking our speculation a step further, what if Frazier was not at the TSBD at all during the shooting? What if he was strategically positioned at the Grassy Knoll, playing a more direct role in the assassination?

Conclusion:
While this narrative is entirely speculative and fictional, it adds to the vast tapestry of theories that surround the JFK assassination. It's essential to approach such theories with a critical mind and always distinguish between fact and fiction. The purpose of this exploration is not to rewrite history but to engage in a creative "what if" scenario that poses new questions and perspectives.

[Marcus Fuller]

Maybe I've been watching too many YouTube videos but I was under the impression that he was threatened by the 'authorities' into essentially saying what they wanted him to say regarding the rifle bag. His sister also. The more I read the more confused I get! 

[Miles Massicotte]

50 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

The Grassy Knoll Connection:
Taking our speculation a step further, what if Frazier was not at the TSBD at all during the shooting? What if he was strategically positioned at the Grassy Knoll, playing a more direct role in the assassination?

You have got to be kidding me.

[Joe Bauer]

Viewing many news clips over the years of Frazier when he was 19 and listening to his brief answer speaking during that time frame as well, my first impression of him was that he was almost backwoods illiterate.

Not saying this in an insulting or derogatory way. He just came across as someone who may have been raised in a very rural and poor economic level environment.

Yet, raised with Christian value honesty and morality good teaching.

Buell was just a squirrel hunt'n country boy "kid" when he met Oswald.

19 ?

Definitely not sharp and sophisticated enough to be in on something as big as the JFKA.

And his smoke spewing, back firing old Buick clunker with missing hubcaps and a battery that died when he'd least expect it to does not sound like the kind of transport a spy team would use in their scheming.