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William Niederhut with another redundant 56 year Trump thread, funny you complain about Ben because this is basically the same thing. 

Why don't get Ron to start a J6 section in the Forum because it happened over 50yrs after the assassination of John F. Kennedy because it's bigger politics grasping at straws than Ben does. 

Please, Keep posts about the Assassination ; ) because the records tRuMp held back connect to J6 is 6* of Kevin Bacon and isn't scholarly research! And should be on your face book feed for your grandchildren to read and not on the forum IMHO 

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9 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

William Niederhut with another redundant 56 year Trump thread, funny you complain about Ben because this is basically the same thing. 

Why don't get Ron to start a J6 section in the Forum because it happened over 50yrs after the assassination of John F. Kennedy because it's bigger politics grasping at straws than Ben does. 

Please, Keep posts about the Assassination ; ) because the records tRuMp held back connect to J6 is 6* of Kevin Bacon and isn't scholarly research! And should be on your face book feed for your grandchildren to read and not on the forum IMHO 

Mathew,

      Your post makes no sense.  Have you, perchance, been listening to too many Trump word salads lately?  🙄

      "Another redundant 56 year Trump thread?" 

      How many other "56 year Trump threads" do you see on the Education Forum?

      If you're looking for redundancy, check out Ben Cole's numerous, redundant "Biden Snuff Job" threads during the past year-- after Tucker Carlson finally took a belated interest in the JFK Records Act.

      And speaking of redundancy on the 56 Years thread, are you and Ben Cole still insisting that Trump's historic January 6th mob attack on the U.S. Congress was actually a Deep State "Patriot Purge" op to make Trump look bad?

      I'm reminded of the tragi-comic variation on Santayana's famous quote-- "Those who don't remember the past are destined to make all of us repeat it."

     

       

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When a door opens, even for a brief moment . . . 

' . . . Other parallels of the Trump campaign and administration, juxtaposed with the rise of authoritarianism throughout history, included the rhetoric at campaign rallies and media events which persisted through the first three years of his administration, giving rise for additional concern. The dynamics in motion were reminiscent of the isolationist, nationalistic, anti-immigration America First Committee, the McCarthy era, the John Birch Society of the 1960s whose platform of limited government was code for segregation and unregulated capitalism, and the Tea Party movement of the 2000s, which in retrospect was a harbinger for Qanon, a phenomenon yet to be fully understood.


But as we considered the possibility that key influencers within the GOP might have been blackmailed to silence genuine opposition to the Trump platform, and as we reviewed the turmoil that was unfolding across the country during 2017 and 2018 and stratagems that could lead to re-election of President Trump, the pervading premise of Yeadon and Hawkins’ Nazi Hydra—that Nazism with all the attendant dark arts, more than any other system of modern governing, would best serve unrestrained and unfettered capitalism and racial superiority—took on alarming significance. 


Extreme Right Advisors and Executors
With decades of Roy Cohn’s business and political tutelage under his belt, NY business entrepreneur and would-be president Donald Trump had been able to attract a seasoned group of political campaign strategists, among them Roger Stone. As a young legislator, future president Richard Nixon had been a member of the House Un-American Activities Committee and  had engaged directly with Roy Cohn who would eventually introduce Nixon’s “dirty trickster” Roger Stone to Donald Trump. Stone, who not only readily adopted the ideology of Cohn, but improved upon his tactics to earn the sobriquet, achieved infamy when he was caricatured in the film “All the President’s Men,” the exposé of the Watergate investigation that led to Nixon’s downfall. Stone has long acknowledged the influence that the 1964 Republican Party candidate Barry Goldwater, who was scheduled to challenge President John Kennedy’s run for a second term, had on his early political development. It is that thin, seemingly innocuous thread within an immense series of spiderwebs spanning almost six decades since the assassination of Kennedy, that captured our fascination.  
Stone’s inspiration, Barry Goldwater—acknowledged as having started the twentieth century conservative revolution—had garnered the endorsement and support of what was referred to as a fringe element of the party. In fact, the John Birch Society had been hugely successful in recruiting followers and securing votes for Goldwater.  JBS spokesmen had included Isaac Levine’s mentor and AFC member Arthur Kohlberg. JBS leaders included McCarthy Hearings investigator Robert Morris, and Generals Charles Willoughby and Edwin Walker, both of whom Pierre Lafitte identifies as having been directly involved in the assassination of John Kennedy.
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After the fall of Nixon, Stone pursued a Rasputin-esque political career and formed a consultancy firm with Republican lobbyist Paul Manafort whose credentials would later earn him a brief role as campaign chairman for presidential candidate Donald Trump, a stint that implicated him enough to be among the suspects of the Russian collusion allegations that roiled the 2016 US elections. Manafort was indicted in October 2017 on charges of mortgage fraud, conspiracy, and falsifying bank records; he was tried, convicted and sentenced to seven-plus years. Before leaving office, President Trump pardoned Paul Manafort.


 In 1980, Stone and Manafort’s firm had gotten behind the presidential candidacy of California Governor Ronald Reagan. When Stone was provided a Rolodex of New York supporters of the governor, the only name he considered of value was Roy Cohn. A decade later, Stone joined the presidential campaign of Arlen Specter who is known by assassination researchers as having invented the “magic bullet” theory that persuaded the Warren Commission that Lee Oswald was the sole assassin of President Kennedy. Fast forward to 2007, Stone was instrumental in bringing down New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer who was destined for a significant role in national Democratic Party politics. That particular dirty tricks operation which included an strong element of Cohen-style blackmail, coincided with Stone’s association with self-help guru, Keith Raniere, the leader of a cult he dubbed NXIVM whose tactics included amassing the deeply private histories of his female adherents that left them vulnerable to coercion if not blackmail. Raniere, who at one time carried Roger Stone on his payroll, relied on funding for his cult from the heirs of Edgar Bronfman of the Seagram’s liquor empire, primary investors in both Empire Trust and Permindex as discussed in early chapters in this book. Bronfman’s daughters attained Raniere's highest ranks, and in 2006, one of them purchased a multi-million dollar Manhattan apartment in Trump Tower. 
Ten years later, Stone, who for our purposes represents an archetypal element of the far-right ecosystem that spans decades, surfaced at Trump Tower to ignite the presidential campaign of Roy Cohn’s protégé, Donald Trump. He too was later indicted. His crimes were obstruction of an official proceeding, making false statements, and witness tampering. Stone was convicted and sentenced to forty months in prison but days before he was scheduled to report to the prison facility, President Trump commuted his sentence.


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Resurrecting America First ideology, Donald Trump initially attracted millions of moderate conservatives of the Republican party; but alongside them, not unlike the influence General Wood had over the America First Committee of the late 1930s, Trump galvanized nascent white supremacists, anti-Semites, staunch racist anti-immigrationists, Christian evangelicals harboring homophobic prejudice, and unrepentant crypto fascists and Neo-Nazis, all of whom found themselves welcome under his tent once he descended the escalator of his prize flagship property, Manhattan’s Trump Tower, to announce his candidacy for Republican nominee for president of the United States. 


Many argue that no candidacy or presidency has embodied what historian Hobsbawm described as “the ability to get, and get away with, what lesser citizens cannot” more than that of Donald Trump. Under his watch, the rise of hatred of the other and distrust of democratic government culminated on January 6, 2021 in a violent insurrection meant to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power following the 2020 election. Students of 20th century history, during which the rise of Mussolini’s fascism gave birth to the Nazis and Hitler’s Third Reich, recognized the parallels between the Weimar Republic—the fragile constitutional democracy that governed Germany before the rise of Adolf Hitler—and the threat that a weak administration of the President-elect would pose to stability and the critical repair of America’s experiment in democracy.


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Several weeks before Hank Albarelli suffered a health crisis that would soon take his life in June 2019, he summarized for this coauthor, I think serious consideration should be given now to doing 3-4 end pages that speak generally to Fourth Reich. Rise of—revamped to these times but true Nazism—good way to end the book.' 

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On 6/22/2024 at 3:42 PM, Pat Speer said:

No one with any power actually wants anything to be released...ever. Some know that as long as stuff isn't released they can claim the unreleased stuff shows their favorite bad guy was involved. And some know that as long as stuff isn't released they can claim the unreleased stuff shows their own favorite bad guy was involved. 

No one wins by actually releasing anything...unless by some odd chance the files actually reveal something beyond that x was an informant for y etc.

I think Gerry is correct in that the only files likely to show anything truly damaging--the Joannides files--are not even included in the collection, and will likely never be realized under any circumstances. 

Someone in the past few years put in a FOIA request for all FBI documents relating to DON REYNOLDSDon B. Reynolds (spartacus-educational.com)

The reply was there are 17,000 pages of FBI documents relating to DON REYNOLDS and we, the government, are not giving you ONE PAGE.

Don Reynolds was testifying before a closed session of the Senate Rules Committee on Lyndon Johnson's corruption at the very second a bullet or bullets go into JFK's head in Dallas. Republican minority counsel was taking his testimony because the Senate Democrats were too close to LBJ.

Don Reynolds had to leave the USA because he was told Lyndon Johnson will have you killed if you stay in the USA.

I have no doubt that LBJ was using the full powers of the FBI/CIA to spy on, harass, intimidate, wiretap, threaten Don Reynolds who had been a good friend of Bobby Baker, LBJ's right hand man in the Senate for kickbacks and governmental corruption. Think of Batman/Robin doing good and LBJ/Bobby Baker criming as much as they good, making dirty money hand over fist.

Lyndon Johnson also used national political columnist Drew Pearson to slur Reynolds in the public sphere.

[“A Primer of Assassination Theories,” Edward Jay Epstein, Esquire, 12/01/1966]

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In January of 1964 the Warren Commission learned that Don B. Reynolds, insurance agent and close associate of Bobby Baker, had been heard to say the FBI knew that Johnson was behind the assassination. When interviewed by the FBI, he denied this. But he did recount an incident during the swearing in of Kennedy in which Bobby Baker said words to the effect that the s.o.b. would never live out his term and that he would die a violent death.

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Web link to Esquire article: https://classic.esquire.com/article/1966/12/01/a-primer-of-assassination-theories

[“A Primer of Assassination Theories,” Edward Jay Epstein, Esquire, 12/01/1966]

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Many argue that no candidacy or presidency has embodied what historian Hobsbawm described as “the ability to get, and get away with, what lesser citizens cannot” more than that of Donald Trump. Under his watch, the rise of hatred of the other and distrust of democratic government culminated on January 6, 2021 in a violent insurrection meant to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power following the 2020 election. Students of 20th century history, during which the rise of Mussolini’s fascism gave birth to the Nazis and Hitler’s Third Reich, recognized the parallels between the Weimar Republic—the fragile constitutional democracy that governed Germany before the rise of Adolf Hitler—and the threat that a weak administration of the President-elect would pose to stability and the critical repair of America’s experiment in democracy.

 

I live in France.  

Neighbors have made similar comments.

Here documentaries on the history of the 1914-1945 period in Germany and France run on television quite often.

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There’s too many political arguments with tenuous links to the assassination discussed. Pretty boring watching insults and insinuations being slung so wantonly. I visit and donate to find answers to the actual assassination, not watch an argument unfold akin to disgruntled schoolgirls pulling hair.

and….some people’s posts are soooooooo long and boring. Less is more.

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Getting closer to debate night---will any questions be asked about the JFK Records Act, an issue about which both candidates are vulnerable? 

The tension is unbearable!

Well, likely this debate will not rival the JFK v Nixon tussles. 

One pundit said the only comforting aspect about this presidential election is one of the candidates will lose. 

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2 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

There’s too many political arguments with tenuous links to the assassination discussed. Pretty boring watching insults and insinuations being slung so wantonly. I visit and donate to find answers to the actual assassination, not watch an argument unfold akin to disgruntled schoolgirls pulling hair.

and….some people’s posts are soooooooo long and boring. Less is more.

Bump!

 

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4 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

There’s too many political arguments with tenuous links to the assassination discussed. Pretty boring watching insults and insinuations being slung so wantonly. I visit and donate to find answers to the actual assassination, not watch an argument unfold akin to disgruntled schoolgirls pulling hair.

and….some people’s posts are soooooooo long and boring. Less is more.

Sean,

     There's nothing "boring" about the crisis confronting liberal democracy in the U.S. and Europe in 2024.  Nothing could be more serious.

      Are you similarly "bored" by the history of the decline and fall of the Weimar Republic in 1932?

      How did that right-wing fascist debacle work out for Europe and the U.S.?

      As for "insinuations," and "school girl insults," what are you imagining?

      This thread is about historical facts and their implications for U.S. and world events. 

      There are parallels between 1/6/21 and the 11/22/63 assault on liberal democracy in the U.S.

      As a matter of fact-- not "insinuation"-- Donald Trump orchestrated a violent attack on the U.S. Congress on 1/6/21, in an effort to overturn the results of a democratic U.S. election.  He also organized slates of False Electors in several states that voted him out of office.

      And, sadly, many of his supporters in the U.S. today are still in denial about that historical travesty.

      As I said above, "Those who can't remember history are destined to make all of us repeat it."

      

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      When historians look back on 2024, and this debate, the most disturbing aspect will be the way that the corporate media, and an entire political party, have normalized and superficially legitimized the candidacy of a sociopathic felon who, among his many crimes, orchestrated a violent attack on the U.S. Congress-- a man unfit for political office, who has been accurately ranked by historians and scholars as the worst President in American history.

      How did we get to a point in our nation's history where such a scoundrel could be re-nominated by a major political party, then dressed up and presented to the public as a superficially legitimate candidate, strutting and fretting his hour on stage, telling the tales of an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?

      

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33 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

 How did we get to a point in our nation's history where such a scoundrel could be re-nominated by a major political party, then dressed up and presented to the public as a superficially legitimate candidate, strutting and fretting his hour on stage, telling the tales of an idiot, full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing?     

Sadly, we seem to live in a "post-facts" society, in which the heinous acts you mentioned actually APPEAL to people rather than repel them.

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7 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:

BC 

Tune into Dr Phil tonight, there's a chance he might ask RFK, jr about the files 

 

Thanks for posting. 

I confess to never watching Dr. Phil in all those decades I lived in America, and I still never have. When I channel-surfed, Dr. Phil was always moralizing to somebody, usually an errant male. 

But Dr. Phil recently made a sincere trip to Israel, visited sites of the carnage, and made intelligent commentary. 

I still won't watch Dr. Phil, even this RFK2 interview.  But thanks for posting. 

There is something about Dr. Phil that strikes me as a synonymous with dull preaching.  Not fair, I am sure. 

Phil Donahue struck me the same way. Maybe guys named "Phil" are just boring. 

 

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Well, let's see if CNN "confronts" Trump on his bluster in the debate tonight, regarding Trump's promises to open up the JFK Records, or asks Biden about the Orwellian "Transparency Board" he set up to illegally put the records back into the vault in perpetuity.  

I doubt we will see any trenchant questions on the topic...

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