Apparent assassination attempt on Trump

[Cliff Varnell]

4 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said:

Some sickos here

Sickos who blame Right-wing violence on the Left?

[Joe Bauer]

Some thoughts regards the shooting and the shooter:

This 20 year young man used the same type of gun 17 year young Kyle Rittenhouse used to kill two Wisconsin protesters and wound another...an AR-15 automatic rifle ... correct?

Rittenhouse acquired his AR-15 illegally.

Letting another person purchase it as he was too young to do this.

Then, he transported this illegally obtained gun across state lines which is another law-breaking violation. He then openly carries and displays the loaded rifle right into the protest crowd and just feet away from the protesters and even the police, who see him with the rifle and do nothing regards getting him out of the high tension protest zone?

Then, when a few of the protesters see this high powered gun holding kid, they get angry and attempt to grab the gun and in this confrontational struggle this childish minded Trump inspired patriot wanna-be 17 year old blows them away?

He showed no sign of physical harm after the incident. Incredibly, juries let this young killer go free!? He acquired his weapon illegally. He transpoted it over two state lines illegally. He openly carries the gun within feet of the already worked up protesters, the police don't even pull him back, then he blows away two men, one of which was only armed with a skateboard?

Question, where and how did this young Crooks fellow acquire his AR-15?

The issue of the ease to acquire such dangerous non-hunting, killing only rifles will again become a super-hot issue now for the rest of the campaign.

I read that Trump's ear might have been nicked by a small piece of shattered glass when a bullet hit the plexiglass shield/teleprompter surrounding him and not an actual bullet.

130 yards is almost 400 feet away. That's almost 120 feet farther away JFK was to the TXSBD 6th floor window when he was bullseye head shot hit on 11,22,1963.

Isn't an AR-15 the last gun one would choose to hit such a far-away target?

This was not a scoped gun was it?

This young man was simply suicidally disturbed. 

As horrible as this act was isn't it time to stop the violence suggesting rhetoric...more on Trump's side than the Dems for sure in my opinion.

Treason trials, January 6th..."hang Mike Pence!" Etc, etc.?

Nut case Marjorie Taylor Greene actually said this yesterday to the press:

Someone just tried to ASSASSINATE President Trump,” the statement begins. “The DEMOCRATS and the MEDIA are to blame for every drop of blood spilled today,” it continues.

Greene then adds, “For years and years, they’ve demonized him and his supporters. Today, someone finally tried to take out the leader of our America First and the greatest President of all time. Watch the video, President Trump said “FIGHT,” SO WE WILL!!”

If that isn't the most outrageously irresponsible, further violence gas lighting craziness words to say at a time like this...what is?

Greene is a congressperson.  Hard to believe.

Did Greene and her crowd say much about one of their own nut case base beating Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul bloody after breaking into the SF home?

Of course she didn't.

I hope the majority of Americans finally say it's time to stop the 24/7 inflaming rhetoric being repeated everywhere in the media. Right wing radio. right wing TV and internet much more so than from the left. Listen to the dozens of right wing radio propogandists some time. Talk about threat and retribution promoting. 

Alex Jones type stuff.

The Trump era has been one of extreme hate, anger and rage inflaming.

Of demonizing liberals and Democrats. Of threatening retribution as soon as their leader is re-elected.

This is all a Trump anger energy thing imo.

I really think Trump has taken the nation into a kind of Post Traumatic Stress breakdown state of mind. Constantly feeding hate, anger, rage and fear into the social consciousness has created a nationwide exhaustion unlike anything I've ever seen.

Maybe now our people will finally say..."enough!"

Enough of the "fight" "fight" "fight" ( "if you don't fight you won't have a nation anymore" ) and retribution talk.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Joe Bauer

[Karl Kinaski]

This is the new UK Foreign Secretary:

 

[Vince Palamara]

This whole thing is surreal. The shooter is from my hometown and graduated at the same high school (albeit decades later)! 

[Karl Kinaski]

 

[Karl Kinaski]

More sickos namend by Victor David Hannson. 

Victor Davis Hanson

@VDHanson

Assassination Porn and the Sickness on the Left If we were leftists and we were to use leftist tropes to editorialize the recent attempt on Trump’s life, then we would frame the assassination attempt in the following way: We have witnessed for years blatant exceptions to the once common custom that we don’t normalize the imagined killing of any president or presidential candidate and thus lower the bar of violence. But the Left constantly makes Trump an exception. Now, it as if the imagined killing of Trump had been mainstreamed and become acceptable in a way inconceivable of other presidents. (Do we remember the rodeo clown who merely wore an Obama mask during a bull riding contest and was punished by being permanently banned by the Missouri State Fair authorities?) So since at least 2016 there has been a parlor game among Leftist celebrities and entertainers joking (one hopes), dreaming, imagining, and just talking about the various and graphic ways they would like to assassinate or seriously injure Trump: By slugging his face (Robert De Niro), by decapitation (Kathy Griffin, Marilyn Manson), by stabbing (Shakespeare in the Park), by clubbing (Mickey Rourke), by shooting ( Snoop Dogg), by poisoning (Anthony Bourdain), by bounty killing (George Lopez), by carrion eating his corpse (Pearl Jam), by suffocating (Larry Whilmore), by blowing him up (Madonna, Moby), by throwing him over a cliff (Rosie O’Donnell), just by generic “killing” him (Johnny Depp, Big Sean), or by martyring him (Reid Hoffman: “Yeah, I wish I had made him an actual martyr.”). Or should we deplore the use of telescopic scope imagery, given that the Left blamed Sarah Palin for once using bullseye spots on an election map of opposition congressional districts, claiming that such usage had incited the mass shooting by Jared Lee Loughner? Yet, recently POTUS Joe Biden was a little bit more graphic and a lot more literal. In a widely reported call to hundreds of donors last week, Biden boasted, “I have one job, and that’s to beat Donald Trump. I’m absolutely certain I’m the best person to be able to do that. So, we’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.” "In a bullseye?” At least, Biden did not go back to the full Biden beat-up porn of the past (e.g., “If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him"/ “The press always asks me, ‘Don’t I wish I were debating him?’ No, I wish we were in high school – I could take him behind the gym. That’s what I wish.”). Then there is the question of the Secret Service and one’s political opponents. Given the tragic history of the Kennedys, why in the world did the Biden administration not insist that third-party candidate Robert Kennedy, Jr. be accorded Secret Service protection? Because his candidacy was felt to be disadvantageous to Biden? And why just this April would the former head of the January 6th Committee and 2004 election obstructionist Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) introduce legislation ridiculously entitled, “Denying Infinite Security and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely Dishonorable (DISGRACED) Former Protectees Act” to strip away Secret Service protection for former President Trump and by this April current leading presidential candidate? Had Thompson’s bill passed, would that not have been confirmation for a potential shooter to feel his task was just made much easier? But in a wider sense, if the common referent day after day on the Left is that Trump is another Hitler (cf. a recent The New Republic cover where Trump is literally photoshopped as Hitler), then it seems reckless not to imagine an unhinged or young shootist believing that by taking out somewhat identical to one of the greatest mass murderers in history, he would be applauded for his violence? So is their logic, shoot Trump and save six million from the gas chambers? After all, The New Republic defiantly explained their Hitler-Trump cover photo this way, "Today, we at The New Republic think we can spend this election year in one of two ways. We can spend it debating whether Trump meets the nine or 17 points that define fascism. Or we can spend it saying, “He’s damn close enough, and we’d better fight.” Well, New Republic, recently someone took you up on your argument that Trump was “damn close enough” to Hitler and so he likewise chose to “fight”— albeit with a semi-automatic rifle. If ad nauseam, a Joy Reid is screaming about Trump as a Hitlerian dictator ("Then let me know who I got to vote for to keep Hitler out of the White House”) or Rachel Maddow is bloviating about studying Hitler to understand Trump, then finally the message sinks in that a mass murderer is about to take power—unless.... Finally, the idea, if true, that bystanders spotted a 20-year-old on a nearby roof with a gun, a mere 130 yards from Trump, and in vain warned police of his presence, is surreal. Is it all that hard for the Secret Service to post a few agents on the tops of a few surrounding buildings closest to the dais, or at least coordinate with local law enforcement to do the same? That is a no brainer. Whoever made the decisions concerning the proper secret service security details for presidential events should be immediately fired.

Edited 2 hours ago by Karl Kinaski

[Joe Bauer]

26 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:

This whole thing is surreal. The shooter is from my hometown and graduated at the same high school (albeit decades later)! 

Yes, quite a coincidence.

Sadly, times have changed so much since your childhood Vince.

Kids today have so much angry rhetoric energy all around them now.

It's everywhere. TV, radio, internet.

When I was young no one was absorbed with their I-Phones 24 hours a day.

Seeing constant negative energy and angry news.

We walked everywhere. We talked to each other. We went to movies and hamburger joints. We played pick up sports in open playgrounds after school and on weekends.

I would practice shooting my basketball at city and schoolyard courts.

We had crushes. We looked for part time jobs. We couldn't wait to get our first junky car. 

All obtainable with any full time job ( I could afford all these things working as a dishwasher! ) as the cost of rents and other basics was not criminally out of reach like today.

Popular radio played music in my childhood was almost always about innocent crushes and romance.

I am saying with all honesty...by and large, times were MUCH better for America's youth before the computer and cell phone world of today.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Joe Bauer

[Johnny Cairns]

1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

No Johnny, it depends on facts.  The kid wore a super-patriotic T-shirt in his high school year book, registered Republican when he was 18, and wore the gear of a right-wing gun website when he fired an AR-15 at Trump.  There is nothing left wing about these facts.

False equivalence.

Freedoms that are under attack by fascists -- Trump and his Project 2025, his unceasing violent rhetoric, his open desire to align with Putin, and his stated desire to suspend the Constitution and be a dictator on Day One scream the fact this is not normal politics.

Personally, I think the country was more polarized in the 60's and 70's when political bombings were as common as today's mass shootings.

Especially over that bit where Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito said the two sides cannot live together peacefully.

I don't want to live under a Christian Fascist dictatorship, especially when the dictator is an infantile narcissistic career fraudster adjudicated rapist.

Trump promises to bring democracy to an end.  Spare me the kumbaya.

A great man once said that we should; “not see only a distorted and desperate view of the other side, not to see conflict as inevitable, accommodation as impossible, and communication as nothing more than an exchange of threats.

 

As for you’re spare me the kumbaya comment; no doubt there would have been some in 1968 who felt the exact same about Robert Kennedys masterful speech in Indianapolis… 

[Karl Kinaski]

Laura Loomer

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Wow this is so tragic. This was the last X post made by Corey Comperatore, the innocent Trump supporter who was shot and killed at the Trump rally yesterday. He replied to

@catturd2

and said he was at the Trump rally in Butler, PA!

 

 

[Karl Kinaski]

@ Varnell? 

 

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Ben Shapiro benshapiro2h

Yes, clearly after an assassination attempt against Trump, the problem of heated rhetoric is all about Trump's rhetoric. You pathetic, sad-sack assclowns.

 

[Karl Kinaski]

More sickos:

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Newt Gingrich

@newtgingrich

Congressman Benny Thompson’s staffer Jacqueline Marsaw posted last night "I don't condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don't miss next time ooops [sic] that wasn't me talking." She should be fired today. Thompson introduced the resolution to cut off secret service protection for President Trump. With staff like this the poison is deep.

 

 

[Cliff Varnell]

20 minutes ago, Johnny Cairns said:

A great man once said that we should; “not see only a distorted and desperate view of the other side, not to see conflict as inevitable, accommodation as impossible, and communication as nothing more than an exchange of threats.

I'm not giving "a distorted and desperate view of the other side."  I'm quoting what the other side has said repeatedly -- Trump will be justified in using the power of his office to arrest his political enemies.  Trump has said he'd be justified suspending the Constitution, that he'll be a dictator on Day One.

20 minutes ago, Johnny Cairns said:

 

As for you’re spare me the kumbaya comment; no doubt there would have been some in 1968 who felt the exact same about Robert Kennedys masterful speech in Indianapolis… 

Which is not applicable in 2024 when the Supreme Court has given the President the power of a King -- and one candidate expressly intends to take full advantage.

Edited 2 hours ago by Cliff Varnell

[Tom Gram]

I think we can safely assume Crooks was no Trump fan, but the truth is, we don’t know s**t about this kid’s motive or political leanings yet.

What do we actually know? He registered as a Republican at 18, but donated to the Progressive Turnout Project. That tells us precisely nothing about Crooks’ actual beliefs, and even less about his motive. 

I also just read in the NYT that his mother was a Democrat, and his father a Libertarian. 

Other than that, what do we have? Crooks’ choice of T-shirts? 

All I’m trying to say is let’s wait until we have some actual evidence and background on this kid before jumping to conclusions.

On the inaction topic, what are the ROE for this sort of thing? If Crooks was really spotted by the sniper team before he started shooting, why was he allowed to fire? 

Overall, it seems like we’re dealing with either 1) a massive screw up; 2) questionable ROE; or 3) Crooks really wasn’t spotted until he fired at Trump. 

Based on the available evidence, 3) seems pretty unlikely. If that’s the case, what the hell happened? You’d think seeing a guy in prone position with a rifle on a roof would be enough to qualify as a legitimate threat. Did these guys just hesitate, or did they have to hesitate based on their ROE? 

Edited 2 hours ago by Tom Gram

[Vince Palamara]

WOW---IF this is true, heads will roll (and it reminds one of Dallas)

[Tom Gram]

1 minute ago, Vince Palamara said:

WOW---IF this is true, heads will roll (and it reminds one of Dallas)

Well… if true that answers my question. Wow indeed. 

I hope a recording of SS/police radio traffic will come out, but I wouldn’t bet on it.