Sharing some " NEW " pics and "LARGE" older pics

[James Richards]

That Tony Izquierdo guy on the left in your image, my impression when i first saw him was that he looked like a railway worker in those clothes and cap. ? (Robin Unger)

He is certainly dressed down compared to the suits alongside of him.

Given that the main image could be anywhere up to 3 minutes after the shooting, Could the Izquierdo possible have departed the Dal-Tex (second floor), quickly made his way toward the corner of Main and Houston where Robertson was located, the gathering group realizing that the bulk of the spectators had made a bee-line for the fence area behind the knoll and decided to take a look for themselves just to make sure the gunman positioned there made his escape?

Speculation of course.

James

[JL Allen]

I am marking that down as Theory # 92,347 - be sure to hold on to your ticket. 8^)

p.s. - OT - James, would you happen to know the approximate circumference of the Carcano rifle stock at a point near the front tip of the telescopic sight - near the rifle's "manual" sight? I thought if anyone would or could know - it would be you.

Thanks.

[John Simkin]

James, would you happen to know the approximate circumference of the Carcano rifle stock at a point near the front tip of the telescopic sight - near the rifle's "manual" sight?  I thought if anyone would or could know - it  would be you.

Thanks.

Are you suggesting that James has fired one of these rifles? I think he has only seen the photographs? I think Ryan Crowe should be able to answer this question. Not that I am suggesting anything by this comment.

[Robin Unger]

Credit: Anthony Marsh.

QUOTE:

This is a photograph taken on June 15, 1961 of the new limousine during the installation of communications equipment. Notice the palm sized microphone clipped to the left side of the dash center console. The design is a Motorola.

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Edited July 30, 2005 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

QUOTE:

These are contact prints of the photographs taken on June 15, 1961 of

the installation of communications equipment into the newly delivered

Presidential limousine.

ST-141-4-61 shows the dash console.

ST-141-5-61 shows a technician installing components under the dash.

ST-141-9-61 shows the microphone (Motorola) clipped to the left of the

dash center console.

ST-141-10-61 shows the antennas install on the trunk.

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[Robin Unger]

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These are contact sheets of the photos taken during the June 15, 1961

installation of communications equipment into the President limousine at

the WH garage.

ST-141-1-61 shows two technicians installing components under the dash.

ST-141-2-61 shows a technician working on the telephone in the rear seat

compartment.

ST-141-3-61 shows two technicians working on the dash center console.

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[JL Allen]

James, would you happen to know the approximate circumference of the Carcano rifle stock at a point near the front tip of the telescopic sight - near the rifle's "manual" sight?  I thought if anyone would or could know - it  would be you.

Thanks.

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Are you suggesting that James has fired one of these rifles? I think he has only seen the photographs? I think Ryan Crowe should be able to answer this question. Not that I am suggesting anything by this comment.

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Thank you, John. James always seems to have a great deal of knowledge regarding the firearms - I didn't know if he had an actual collection or not (Now I'm beginning to wonder if I've mixed James Richards up with someone else's postings...) That was a rather spontaneous "p.s." - just something I'd been meaning to ask the right person. I can probably get a rough idea in a local gunshop.

[James Richards]

Thank you, John. James always seems to have a great deal of knowledge regarding the firearms - I didn't know if he had an actual collection or not (Now I'm beginning to wonder if I've mixed James Richards up with someone else's postings...) That was a rather spontaneous "p.s." - just something I'd been meaning to ask the right person. I can probably get a rough idea in a local gunshop. (JL Allen)

JL,

All I know about firearms is that there is a dangerous pointy end and you shouldn't be using one after consuming too much Jack Daniels.

John is right, my good friend Ryan Crowe is the man when it comes to weapons.

James

[Lee Forman]

That Tony Izquierdo guy on the left in your image, my impression when i first saw him was that he looked like a railway worker in those clothes and cap. ? (Robin Unger)

He is certainly dressed down compared to the suits alongside of him.

Given that the main image could be anywhere up to 3 minutes after the shooting, Could the Izquierdo possible have departed the Dal-Tex (second floor), quickly made his way toward the corner of Main and Houston where Robertson was located, the gathering group realizing that the bulk of the spectators had made a bee-line for the fence area behind the knoll and decided to take a look for themselves just to make sure the gunman positioned there made his escape?

Speculation of course.

James

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More speculation James.

I imagine that there would have been some specific directives supplied to all operatives involved concerning the aftermath. For example, TUM and DCM, as well as red shirt man on the stairs, maybe even SOB man, etc., all sit. Then it would appear that some of the Main Street crowd simply 'go with the flow.'

Hate to use this as a reference - In the film The Godfather, the direction provided to Al Pacino's character after he wastes Salazar and the dirty cop - Walk, don't run. Let the gun fall from your hand, some people will still think that you have it with you, etc. Everyone simply moved along with the crowd toward the knoll.

I can't see what appears to be a dark complected man, walking within that proximity and in the same stride as these white men in suits in Dallas in 1963. It's simply illogical. If Tony had a strong relationship with Rip, that makes sense. If that is Izquierdo, and that is Rip, perhaps he's in the process of giving a status report.

Also, if Izquierdo was in the DalTex - he was only on the second floor - we see the Altgens photo, and someone is in that window - perhaps they packed it up early, since they muffed the shot [iMO which hit the windshield and went on to strike the curb by Tague] and the Lincoln was already out of their 'area' of concern? Anyway, just thinking aloud here, like always.

Also, for some odd reason, it appears that dark skinned 'black' Cubans were okay with the various rightwing factions, while a black from Texas would be an issue --From what I have read, this appears to be the case. As Ron pointed out once, and I still feel he was on to something, why so many dark skinned Cubans involved in the Dallas operation? And the answer that comes to mind is camoflauge, and

probably to be able to throw off the blame if necessary...

- lee

[James Richards]

Interesting thoughts, Lee.

The possible use of dark skinned Cubans is curious indeed. Let's not forget about Herminio Diaz Garcia also.

Researching Izquierdo is an interesting exercise. There is virually nothing on him via the Internet or in print publications but the exile community in Miami considered him to be such a legend that a statue was erected in Little Havana at the cost of some $60,000. This exercise was overseen by one Gilberto Casanova who was in charge of the Accion Cubana militant group of which Orlando Bosch had some close ties with.

Now if you Google the usual suspects like Artime, Posada and Felix Rodriguez, the hits are voluminious to say the least. Izquierdo however draws almost a blank. What does the exile community know that the Internet doesn't?

Bizarre.

James

[John Simkin]

The possible use of dark skinned Cubans is curious indeed. Let's not forget about Herminio Diaz Garcia also.

Remember that initially Hoover made much of the fact that Oswald had been a member of CORE (at the time Hoover hated CORE more than any other group). Is it possible that one set-up involved the civil rights angle? I suspect that initially the plan was to link Oswald with as many groups on the left as possible (American Communist Party, Socialist Worker Party, Fair Play for Cuba Committee, CORE, American Civil Liberties Union). This is what people like Tim immediately focused on after the assassination. See for example, the writings of Billy Joe Hargis. However, LBJ ditched this plan and instead went for the "lone nutter" theory.

[Tim Gratz]

John, Hoover was not part of the "plan".

The "lone nut" scenario was created in an effort to forestall WW III.

It is possible that is why the true conspirators chose LHO as the patsy.

It is also possible if my scenario is correct that LHO was chosen as the patsy because he was working for US intelligence.

By the way, why would CORE want to kill JFK anyway? Maybe the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, but CORE? That seems quite a stretch.

Edited July 31, 2005 by Tim Gratz

[John Simkin]

John, Hoover was not part of the "plan".

The "lone nut" scenario was created in an effort to forestall WW III.

That was said with conviction. Is that what you really believe? Was that the real reason for the cover-up?

By the way, why would CORE want to kill JFK anyway?  Maybe the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, but CORE?  That seems quite a stretch.

They of course had no reason to kill JFK. Nor did Castro or the American Communist Party? However, that is what Hoover wanted to believe.

As you know, right-wingers like you in the 1960s believed that the Civil Rights movement was being led by communists. Hoover was convinced that Martin Luther King was a communist. One of the reasons he gives for this view is King's relationship with Bayard Rustin, one of the leaders of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). Members were mainly pacifists who had been deeply influenced by Henry David Thoreau and the teachings of Mahatma Gandhi and the nonviolent civil disobedience campaign that he used successfully against British rule in India. The students became convinced that the same methods could be employed by blacks to obtain civil rights in America.

Rustin had been a member of the American Communist Party (1936-41). Hoover's philosophy was once a communist, always a communist. Rustin was also gay. Hoover therefore spread rumours that King was Rustin's lover and that explained why King had moved to the left during the 1960s.

Rustin is one of my great American heroes. He was persecuted by the those great lovers of democracy throughout his lifetime (as you have said, you can never trust a communist).

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAcore.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USArustin.htm

[Tim Gratz]

John, yes I believe that fear that proof of foreign involvement in the assassination would lead inexorably to WW III was what prompted the cover up. At a minimum it prompted the participation of Earl Warren.

Fear of WW III also prompted action by the Soviets.

I think it clear that Nosenko was a dispatched agent, dispatched by the Soviets to "prove" lack of Soviet involvement to prevent WW III. As someone (perhaps weberman) wrote, it was Nosenko's mission to prevent WW III. (This would be true whether or not there was Soviet involvement.)

The fear that evidence of foreign involvement would lead to a war was certainly not far-fetched. Isn't that how WWI started?

Now assume LBJ was not only innocent but had no foreknowledge of the assassination. He is immediately receiving information highly suggestive of foreign involvment. (For purposes of this analysis it matters not whether that information was correct, mistaken, or deliberately planted.) If you were LBJ would you decide to follow the path to WW III, or would you opt for a cover-up?

I remember a pacifist organization in the sixties named SANE. Given the above scenario, the cover-up was the only option LBJ had that was sane, don't you think?

Remember for purposes of this hypothetical you must assume that LBJ was as innocent as when he was still a suckling baby.

If the Commies did not do it, the use of LHO as a patsy was therefore a brilliant strategy bythe conspirators. If the Commies did do it, LBJ's cover-up did probably prevent WW III. In either case, it was, and I submit remains, a defensible decision by LBJ, even though it led to speculation of his own involvement.

JFK's efforts during the Cuban missile crisis may have saved the world from nuclear destruction. Ditto LBJ's acton in orchestrating the cover-up.

Edited July 31, 2005 by Tim Gratz

[Tim Gratz]

Would I be correct that unless LBJ's actions were prompted by a fear of WW III, as I suggested above, or because he was being blackmailed (another possobility, I must admit) then the cover-up would indicate some sort of involvement by LBJ?

The question I am asking is is there any other explanation for LBJ's role in the cover-up? Could it be that he wanted to protect the mafia even though he was not being blackmailed?