Drew Williams Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 (edited) Fairly new poster here. Long time reader, young man interested in the JFK case (17 years old) I have been fascinated with the Holt story for a while. Who here believes what he said regarding the events of 11-22-63? I believe he names himself, Charles Harrelson, and Charles Rogers as the 3 tramps. Also, anything out there prove/disprove Tosh Plumlee's story? Edited September 13, 2005 by Drew Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Eaglesham Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Drew: Good prints of the Cancellare photograph show no sign of Mr. Plumlee & co. on the south knoll at his claimed location. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen Turner Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Drew, The tramps names are 1, Harold Doyle 2,John Gedney 3,Gus Abrams. Doyle and Gedney have given believable accounts of their arrest on the day ( and their movements beforehand) And Abrams sister agreed that the older man in the photo's was her deceased brother "Yep, thats Gus" So unless they are all Government shills this mystery is solved...Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Johansson Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 (edited) Hi Drew Check this out: The Three Tramps http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/lois1.htm Tosh http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/toshfiles.htm Mark Edited September 14, 2005 by Mark Johansson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen Turner Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Right, lets try this one more time.... Journo Mary LaFontaine traced Doyle, who was living in Oregon, and Gedney who was in Florida, both individually confirmed that they were the men in the pictures. Abrams had died by this time, but his Sister, with whom he had lived for the previous 15 years of his life confirmed that her brother was the older "tramp" in the pictures..So unless Doyle, Gedney, and Abrams sister are part of a HUGE conspiracy, this mystery is, as I said, solved ...Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Steve...I have dealt with Mary LaFontaine. She misled me. I would not trust her. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Johansson Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 (edited) Chauncey Holt testified that the three trams were: Old one = Chauncey Marvin Holt Dark one = Charles Rogers Tall one = Charles Harrelson Charles Harrelson Chauncey Marvin Holt Charles Rogers Mark Edited September 15, 2005 by Mark Johansson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen Turner Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Mark, if you want a through debunking of the "Tramps" nonsence visit McAdams website, he is good at dissposing of the wilder CT suff. Its the subjects he wont touch that I find interesting Jack, Are you saying that LaFontaine is making this up, dont forget it was another Journo,( forget the name) That took Abrams sisters statement, so unless the two are in cahoots, and the three witnesses are lying though their teeth, i see no reason to disbelieve them..Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Crowe Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Does anyone have a picture of Holt in 1963? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Richards Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Does anyone have a picture of Holt in 1963? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ryan, Below is Holt circa 1963. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Mark, if you want a through debunking of the "Tramps" nonsence visit McAdams website, he is good at dissposing of the wilder CT suff. Its the subjects he wont touch that I find interesting Jack, Are you saying that LaFontaine is making this up, dont forget it was another Journo,( forget the name) That took Abrams sisters statement, so unless the two are in cahoots, and the three witnesses are lying though their teeth, i see no reason to disbelieve them..Steve. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In my personal dealings with the LaFontaines I found them to be untrustworthy. To get my cooperation in helping with their documentary, they told me that they had produced the movie THE THIN BLUE LINE. Not until much later did I find that they had a very minor role in the filming. During the Roscoe White affair, I was given access to Roscoe family photos. The LaFs claimed they had EXCLUSIVE rights to the photos and threatened to sue me for putting them on the internet. They demanded that I "return" the photos to them, although I did not obtain them from them. Two of the tramps are E.H. Hunt and C.V. Harrelson. I do not know who the other one is. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen Turner Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Hi Jack,sorry to hear about your troubled dealings with the LaFontaine's. I still fail to see though how this discredits the testimony of, Doyle, Gedney & Abrams Sister. Why on Earth would they make this claim, independantly, and to two different reporters,if it were not true?Also, to my admittedly untrained eye, their a pretty good match for the 1963 photo's. I have always believed this subject to be a "sideshow"why would Hunt, Harrelson etc allow themselves to be arrested,Photographed, and frogmarched though Downtown Dallas, long after the assassination had happened, to me this just doesn't make sense. what role do you believe these individuals played in the assassination Jack. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Johansson Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 (edited) Two of the tramps are E.H. Hunt and C.V. Harrelson. I do notknow who the other one is. Mr White. Can provide an ear comparison on Hunt. Because if you compare Holts ear with the older tramp you´ll have 100 % match. What do you know of Holts story? Do you know the name George Reynolds? Frank Belcher? Bud Belcher? Bob Reynolds? Leroy Young? Philip Twombly, Ernest Leibacher, Richard Wilson? If, yes, do you think these names were not real persons? Invented by Chauncey? Or real persons but with roles invented by Chauncey? Mark Edited September 16, 2005 by Mark Johansson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen Turner Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Two of the tramps are E.H. Hunt and C.V. Harrelson. I do notknow who the other one is. Mr White. Can provide an ear comparison on Hunt. Because if you compare Holts ear with the older tramp you´ll have 100 % match. Mark <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My guess is these tramps could be anybody, apart from the three guys whose arrest warrents name them,and who when traced agreed that they were the people in the photographs. absolutely amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Johansson Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 (edited) Drew, Please visit these links JFKMurderSolved The tramps Newsweek Mark Edited September 16, 2005 by Mark Johansson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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