Bill Miller Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) This is silly Bill, it reminds me of other times we have discussed things. You refuse to address the meat (ie the tracking) and instead fluff about with the milk, (insistence of ladders as if that somehow is a central theme) and then with odd notions with no backing. Cops with light coats suddenly are the same as one with a dark coat. John, have you ever been to Dealey Plaza and stood behind the colonnade? I have photos of it in my office and I will be happy to share them in a few days when I get back into the U.S. I called Groden tonight just to get his estimate as to how high it is back there from the ground to the first row of windows and he guessed it to be about 10 feet off the ground. With that being said, I will post some photos of that area and then we can talk some more about what is silly and what is not. John, there are so many photos at the 6th floor Museum that people have never imagined to exist and I have been lucky enough to see a fraction of them. Try emailing Gary Mack and ask him about the cops who wore raincoats on that day. By the way, do you by chance have a time frame locked in as to when the woman and the cop in your post were present for that photo??? And if a cop could stand atop obstacles in your mind and fire off rounds from a gun without drawing attention .... then why would he not be able to walk out of the plaza with it in plain sight of everyone because many cops had long guns on them immediately after the assassination. Bill Miller Edited December 20, 2006 by Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) Frank, my apologies for digression. I was a bit excited over finding the tracking bar. It flowed from the research, but perhaps deserved a thread of its own. This list by you is the true fruit of the efforts. Thank you for staying on track. I think you humbly and to the point show the value of persistent independent research, unlike my own flailing about (which has in its own ways its values too). This listing is great IMO. One could take any pair, and presumably later with overlaps into other films, and check for consistency. Now that this table is in existence, I think it will form the basis of a much needed reference guide. Thank you very much. Bill, I look forward to being shown/proven wrong. We'll see. Who said a 'cop' shot anyone. Someone dressed like a cop was walking across the plaza with a lady (after being ordered to the RR yards). Also the suggested shooter (with cop cap in pocket) shot once. Edited December 20, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) Z-# Time (Z325 ref) NS# Time (NS35 ref) Z vs. Nix Delta time 291 -1.8579234973 001 -1.8378378378 -0.0200856594 292 -1.8032786885 002 -1.7837837838 -0.0194949047 293 -1.7486338798 003 -1.7297297297 -0.0189041501 294 -1.6939890710 004 -1.6756756757 -0.0183133954 295 -1.6393442623 005 -1.6216216216 -0.0177226407 296 -1.5846994536 006 -1.5675675676 -0.0171318860 297 -1.5300546448 007 -1.5135135135 -0.0165411313 298 -1.4754098361 008 -1.4594594595 -0.0159503766 299 -1.4207650273 009 -1.4054054054 -0.0153596219 300 -1.3661202186 010 -1.3513513514 -0.0147688672 301 -1.3114754098 011 -1.2972972973 -0.0141781125 302 -1.2568306011 012 -1.2432432432 -0.0135873578 303 -1.2021857923 013 -1.1891891892 -0.0129966032 304 -1.1475409836 014 -1.1351351351 -0.0124058485 305 -1.0928961749 015 -1.0810810811 -0.0118150938 306 -1.0382513661 016 -1.0270270270 -0.0112243391 307 -0.9836065574 017 -0.9729729730 -0.0106335844 308 -0.9289617486 018 -0.9189189189 -0.0100428297 309 -0.8743169399 019 -0.8648648649 -0.0094520750 310 -0.8196721311 020 -0.8108108108 -0.0088613203 311 -0.7650273224 021 -0.7567567568 -0.0082705656 312 -0.7103825137 022 -0.7027027027 -0.0076798110 313 -0.6557377049 023 -0.6486486486 -0.0070890563 314 -0.6010928962 024 -0.5945945946 -0.0064983016 315 -0.5464480874 025 -0.5405405405 -0.0059075469 316 -0.4918032787 026 -0.4864864865 -0.0053167922 MOORMAN Muchmore 45 317 -0.4371584699 027 -0.4324324324 -0.0047260375 318 -0.3825136612 028 -0.3783783784 -0.0041352828 319 -0.3278688525 029 -0.3243243243 -0.0035445281 320 -0.2732240437 030 -0.2702702703 -0.0029537734 321 -0.2185792350 031 -0.2162162162 -0.0023630188 322 -0.1639344262 032 -0.1621621622 -0.0017722641 323 -0.1092896175 033 -0.1081081081 -0.0011815094 324 -0.0546448087 034 -0.0540540541 -0.0005907547 325 0.0000000000 035 0.0000000000 0.0000000000 326 0.0546448087 036 0.0540540541 0.0005907547 327 0.1092896175 037 0.1081081081 0.0011815094 328 0.1639344262 038 0.1621621622 0.0017722641 329 0.2185792350 039 0.2162162162 0.0023630188 330 0.2732240437 040 0.2702702703 0.0029537734 331 0.3278688525 041 0.3243243243 0.0035445281 332 0.3825136612 042 0.3783783784 0.0041352828 333 0.4371584699 043 0.4324324324 0.0047260375 334 0.4918032787 044 0.4864864865 0.0053167922 335 0.5464480874 045 0.5405405405 0.0059075469 336 0.6010928962 046 0.5945945946 0.0064983016 337 0.6557377049 047 0.6486486486 0.0070890563 338 0.7103825137 048 0.7027027027 0.0076798110 339 0.7650273224 049 0.7567567568 0.0082705656 340 0.8196721311 050 0.8108108108 0.0088613203 341 0.8743169399 051 0.8648648649 0.0094520750 342 0.9289617486 052 0.9189189189 0.0100428297 343 0.9836065574 053 0.9729729730 0.0106335844 344 1.0382513661 054 1.0270270270 0.0112243391 345 1.0928961749 055 1.0810810811 0.0118150938 346 1.1475409836 056 1.1351351351 0.0124058485 347 1.2021857923 057 1.1891891892 0.0129966032 348 1.2568306011 058 1.2432432432 0.0135873578 349 1.3114754098 059 1.2972972973 0.0141781125 350 1.3661202186 060 1.3513513514 0.0147688672 351 1.4207650273 061 1.4054054054 0.0153596219 352 1.4754098361 062 1.4594594595 0.0159503766 353 1.5300546448 063 1.5135135135 0.0165411313 354 1.5846994536 064 1.5675675676 0.0171318860 355 1.6393442623 065 1.6216216216 0.0177226407 356 1.6939890710 066 1.6756756757 0.0183133954 357 1.7486338798 067 1.7297297297 0.0189041501 358 1.8032786885 068 1.7837837838 0.0194949047 359 1.8579234973 069 1.8378378378 0.0200856594 360 1.9125683060 070 1.8918918919 0.0206764141 361 1.9672131148 071 1.9459459459 0.0212671688 362 2.0218579235 072 2.0000000000 0.0218579235 363 2.0765027322 073 2.0540540541 0.0224486782 364 2.1311475410 074 2.1081081081 0.0230394329 365 2.1857923497 075 2.1621621622 0.0236301876 366 2.2404371585 076 2.2162162162 0.0242209423 367 2.2950819672 077 2.2702702703 0.0248116969 368 2.3497267760 078 2.3243243243 0.0254024516 369 2.4043715847 079 2.3783783784 0.0259932063 370 2.4590163934 080 2.4324324324 0.0265839610 371 2.5136612022 081 2.4864864865 0.0271747157 372 2.5683060109 082 2.5405405405 0.0277654704 373 2.6229508197 083 2.5945945946 0.0283562251 374 2.6775956284 084 2.6486486486 0.0289469798 375 2.7322404372 085 2.7027027027 0.0295377345 376 2.7868852459 086 2.7567567568 0.0301284891 377 2.8415300546 087 2.8108108108 0.0307192438 378 2.8961748634 088 2.8648648649 0.0313099985 379 2.9508196721 089 2.9189189189 0.0319007532 380 3.0054644809 090 2.9729729730 0.0324915079 381 3.0601092896 091 3.0270270270 0.0330822626 382 3.1147540984 092 3.0810810811 0.0336730173 383 3.1693989071 093 3.1351351351 0.0342637720 384 3.2240437158 094 3.1891891892 0.0348545267 385 3.2786885246 095 3.2432432432 0.0354452813 386 3.3333333333 096 3.2972972973 0.0360360360 387 3.3879781421 097 3.3513513514 0.0366267907 388 3.4426229508 098 3.4054054054 0.0372175454 389 3.4972677596 099 3.4594594595 0.0378083001 390 3.5519125683 100 3.5135135135 0.0383990548 391 3.6065573770 101 3.5675675676 0.0389898095 392 3.6612021858 102 3.6216216216 0.0395805642 393 3.7158469945 103 3.6756756757 0.0401713189 394 3.7704918033 104 3.7297297297 0.0407620735 395 3.8251366120 105 3.7837837838 0.0413528282 396 3.8797814208 106 3.8378378378 0.0419435829 397 3.9344262295 107 3.8918918919 0.0425343376 398 3.9890710383 108 3.9459459459 0.0431250923 399 4.0437158470 109 4.0000000000 0.0437158470 400 4.0983606557 110 4.0540540541 0.0443066017 401 4.1530054645 111 4.1081081081 0.0448973564 402 4.2076502732 112 4.1621621622 0.0454881111 403 4.2622950820 113 4.2162162162 0.0460788658 404 4.3169398907 114 4.2702702703 0.0466696204 405 4.3715846995 115 4.3243243243 0.0472603751 406 4.4262295082 116 4.3783783784 0.0478511298 407 4.4808743169 117 4.4324324324 0.0484418845 408 4.5355191257 118 4.4864864865 0.0490326392 409 4.5901639344 119 4.5405405405 0.0496233939 410 4.6448087432 120 4.5945945946 0.0502141486 411 4.6994535519 121 4.6486486486 0.0508049033 412 4.7540983607 122 4.7027027027 0.0513956580 The usefulness and significance of Frank's Table of Reference is far reaching. (Frank, I hope you don't mind some minor changes in presentation, just aligning the columns). I think a third person confirmation of 35 325 sync would be good. Or at least an attempt at debunking it. Personally, I think it's solid. This enables overlapping into other films and photos. For example, Moorman is almost exactly 316 (IMO), and Muchmore 45 is suggested as 316 on the version I have. So now I'm looking for a match on Muchmore. What frame rate for Muchmore's camera. How many frames are supposed to be in the film? Edited December 20, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) It's all in the hands of the little boy. If M17 matches Z287. then if the cameras run at roughly the same speed, then Z316 should be about M46, not 45.??? Can we say that the frame numbered M17 in this version is a good match for Z287 (not 288 as marked on the frame) and therefore we have a anchor point leading in to Muchmore? IOW forget about the number on the frame, and how many frames before this one is in the Muchmore film? Edited December 20, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 The way I understand it, this Muchmore matches with the Moorman. This is marked as M45. The little boys hands gives a match. This is marked as M17. And it corresponds to Z287. Z316 matches N26. Between Z316 and Z287 are 28 frames. Between M17 and M45 are 27 frames. What does it mean? Did Muchmores camera run slower than Zaps? Or (here we go again) does it indicate, missing/added frames? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Bill, I look forward to being shown/proven wrong. We'll see. I take that you have never been or seen photos of the back of the colonnade.Who said a 'cop' shot anyone. Someone dressed like a cop was walking across the plaza with a lady (after being ordered to the RR yards). Also the suggested shooter (with cop cap in pocket) shot once. Maybe I misunderstood your implication when I read, "The first people some saw in the parking area was a 'cop'. What better guise to adopt, knowing that the area would shortly be flooded with cops. Then just stroll away, with the rifle under a coat." And yes, the police were ordered into the RR yard at the onset of the shooting and this is why I asked if you had a post assassination time for their images being captured on film. I am aware that officers flooded into the RR yard and that there were also some who once they didn't see anyone, they returned back to the plaza. Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Between Z316 and Z287 are 28 frames.Between M17 and M45 are 27 frames. What does it mean? Did Muchmores camera run slower than Zaps? Or (here we go again) does it indicate, missing/added frames? The Muchmore film had a break in it, however, Groden does offer an undamaged B&W version on his assassination films DVD. Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) There is a video called 'On the trail of the Assassin" I think. It has some latterday footage of that area. I did rip a lot and then for want of space deleted them. Now I wish I hadn't. I do remember seeing the plaza through the holes. Otherwise there seems to be only aerials readily available. Contemporary groundlevel images are called for. It'l be interesting to see them when posted. It's from the Bell film after the Limo has gone. This 'cop' has a dark long coat. He should be easily identifiable. I haven't seen him in any other films or photos. Edited December 20, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I beleive that the "forward blood spray" seen in Z-313 may also be visible in this NIX frame: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Credit Lee Forman for the images below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Agbat Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Hi John, I appreciate you taking the time to line-up columns, etc. I was very short on time (as always, it seems) and wanted to get the table out there for consumption. I have not been able to determine any tested frame rates of the Muchmore camera yet. Perhaps Gary Mack has this information available, or perhaps it is available elsewhere. Nevertheless, if the cameras are gapping by a frame, it could easily be a slightly different frame rate. Bill Miller is correct -- the NFV/Groden Muchmore film has a splice (right around the headshot, of course). I've been looking into this spliced area and will compare it frame-by-frame to the black and white version provided (which shows no splice). Based on looking at the film a few dozen times, it looks like the film was broken at that frame and taped back together (poorly, too). The frame registration drifts for a frame or two. This may be something that can be digitally "improved", as some preliminary studies I've done seem to indicate that the whitespace in the splice is larger than it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Purvis Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Z-# Time (Z325 ref) NS# Time (NS35 ref) Z vs. Nix Delta time 291 -1.8579234973 001 -1.8378378378 -0.0200856594 292 -1.8032786885 002 -1.7837837838 -0.0194949047 293 -1.7486338798 003 -1.7297297297 -0.0189041501 294 -1.6939890710 004 -1.6756756757 -0.0183133954 295 -1.6393442623 005 -1.6216216216 -0.0177226407 296 -1.5846994536 006 -1.5675675676 -0.0171318860 297 -1.5300546448 007 -1.5135135135 -0.0165411313 298 -1.4754098361 008 -1.4594594595 -0.0159503766 299 -1.4207650273 009 -1.4054054054 -0.0153596219 300 -1.3661202186 010 -1.3513513514 -0.0147688672 301 -1.3114754098 011 -1.2972972973 -0.0141781125 302 -1.2568306011 012 -1.2432432432 -0.0135873578 303 -1.2021857923 013 -1.1891891892 -0.0129966032 304 -1.1475409836 014 -1.1351351351 -0.0124058485 305 -1.0928961749 015 -1.0810810811 -0.0118150938 306 -1.0382513661 016 -1.0270270270 -0.0112243391 307 -0.9836065574 017 -0.9729729730 -0.0106335844 308 -0.9289617486 018 -0.9189189189 -0.0100428297 309 -0.8743169399 019 -0.8648648649 -0.0094520750 310 -0.8196721311 020 -0.8108108108 -0.0088613203 311 -0.7650273224 021 -0.7567567568 -0.0082705656 312 -0.7103825137 022 -0.7027027027 -0.0076798110 313 -0.6557377049 023 -0.6486486486 -0.0070890563 314 -0.6010928962 024 -0.5945945946 -0.0064983016 315 -0.5464480874 025 -0.5405405405 -0.0059075469 316 -0.4918032787 026 -0.4864864865 -0.0053167922 MOORMAN Muchmore 45 317 -0.4371584699 027 -0.4324324324 -0.0047260375 318 -0.3825136612 028 -0.3783783784 -0.0041352828 319 -0.3278688525 029 -0.3243243243 -0.0035445281 320 -0.2732240437 030 -0.2702702703 -0.0029537734 321 -0.2185792350 031 -0.2162162162 -0.0023630188 322 -0.1639344262 032 -0.1621621622 -0.0017722641 323 -0.1092896175 033 -0.1081081081 -0.0011815094 324 -0.0546448087 034 -0.0540540541 -0.0005907547 325 0.0000000000 035 0.0000000000 0.0000000000 326 0.0546448087 036 0.0540540541 0.0005907547 327 0.1092896175 037 0.1081081081 0.0011815094 328 0.1639344262 038 0.1621621622 0.0017722641 329 0.2185792350 039 0.2162162162 0.0023630188 330 0.2732240437 040 0.2702702703 0.0029537734 331 0.3278688525 041 0.3243243243 0.0035445281 332 0.3825136612 042 0.3783783784 0.0041352828 333 0.4371584699 043 0.4324324324 0.0047260375 334 0.4918032787 044 0.4864864865 0.0053167922 335 0.5464480874 045 0.5405405405 0.0059075469 336 0.6010928962 046 0.5945945946 0.0064983016 337 0.6557377049 047 0.6486486486 0.0070890563 338 0.7103825137 048 0.7027027027 0.0076798110 339 0.7650273224 049 0.7567567568 0.0082705656 340 0.8196721311 050 0.8108108108 0.0088613203 341 0.8743169399 051 0.8648648649 0.0094520750 342 0.9289617486 052 0.9189189189 0.0100428297 343 0.9836065574 053 0.9729729730 0.0106335844 344 1.0382513661 054 1.0270270270 0.0112243391 345 1.0928961749 055 1.0810810811 0.0118150938 346 1.1475409836 056 1.1351351351 0.0124058485 347 1.2021857923 057 1.1891891892 0.0129966032 348 1.2568306011 058 1.2432432432 0.0135873578 349 1.3114754098 059 1.2972972973 0.0141781125 350 1.3661202186 060 1.3513513514 0.0147688672 351 1.4207650273 061 1.4054054054 0.0153596219 352 1.4754098361 062 1.4594594595 0.0159503766 353 1.5300546448 063 1.5135135135 0.0165411313 354 1.5846994536 064 1.5675675676 0.0171318860 355 1.6393442623 065 1.6216216216 0.0177226407 356 1.6939890710 066 1.6756756757 0.0183133954 357 1.7486338798 067 1.7297297297 0.0189041501 358 1.8032786885 068 1.7837837838 0.0194949047 359 1.8579234973 069 1.8378378378 0.0200856594 360 1.9125683060 070 1.8918918919 0.0206764141 361 1.9672131148 071 1.9459459459 0.0212671688 362 2.0218579235 072 2.0000000000 0.0218579235 363 2.0765027322 073 2.0540540541 0.0224486782 364 2.1311475410 074 2.1081081081 0.0230394329 365 2.1857923497 075 2.1621621622 0.0236301876 366 2.2404371585 076 2.2162162162 0.0242209423 367 2.2950819672 077 2.2702702703 0.0248116969 368 2.3497267760 078 2.3243243243 0.0254024516 369 2.4043715847 079 2.3783783784 0.0259932063 370 2.4590163934 080 2.4324324324 0.0265839610 371 2.5136612022 081 2.4864864865 0.0271747157 372 2.5683060109 082 2.5405405405 0.0277654704 373 2.6229508197 083 2.5945945946 0.0283562251 374 2.6775956284 084 2.6486486486 0.0289469798 375 2.7322404372 085 2.7027027027 0.0295377345 376 2.7868852459 086 2.7567567568 0.0301284891 377 2.8415300546 087 2.8108108108 0.0307192438 378 2.8961748634 088 2.8648648649 0.0313099985 379 2.9508196721 089 2.9189189189 0.0319007532 380 3.0054644809 090 2.9729729730 0.0324915079 381 3.0601092896 091 3.0270270270 0.0330822626 382 3.1147540984 092 3.0810810811 0.0336730173 383 3.1693989071 093 3.1351351351 0.0342637720 384 3.2240437158 094 3.1891891892 0.0348545267 385 3.2786885246 095 3.2432432432 0.0354452813 386 3.3333333333 096 3.2972972973 0.0360360360 387 3.3879781421 097 3.3513513514 0.0366267907 388 3.4426229508 098 3.4054054054 0.0372175454 389 3.4972677596 099 3.4594594595 0.0378083001 390 3.5519125683 100 3.5135135135 0.0383990548 391 3.6065573770 101 3.5675675676 0.0389898095 392 3.6612021858 102 3.6216216216 0.0395805642 393 3.7158469945 103 3.6756756757 0.0401713189 394 3.7704918033 104 3.7297297297 0.0407620735 395 3.8251366120 105 3.7837837838 0.0413528282 396 3.8797814208 106 3.8378378378 0.0419435829 397 3.9344262295 107 3.8918918919 0.0425343376 398 3.9890710383 108 3.9459459459 0.0431250923 399 4.0437158470 109 4.0000000000 0.0437158470 400 4.0983606557 110 4.0540540541 0.0443066017 401 4.1530054645 111 4.1081081081 0.0448973564 402 4.2076502732 112 4.1621621622 0.0454881111 403 4.2622950820 113 4.2162162162 0.0460788658 404 4.3169398907 114 4.2702702703 0.0466696204 405 4.3715846995 115 4.3243243243 0.0472603751 406 4.4262295082 116 4.3783783784 0.0478511298 407 4.4808743169 117 4.4324324324 0.0484418845 408 4.5355191257 118 4.4864864865 0.0490326392 409 4.5901639344 119 4.5405405405 0.0496233939 410 4.6448087432 120 4.5945945946 0.0502141486 411 4.6994535519 121 4.6486486486 0.0508049033 412 4.7540983607 122 4.7027027027 0.0513956580 The usefulness and significance of Frank's Table of Reference is far reaching. (Frank, I hope you don't mind some minor changes in presentation, just aligning the columns). I think a third person confirmation of 35 325 sync would be good. Or at least an attempt at debunking it. Personally, I think it's solid. This enables overlapping into other films and photos. For example, Moorman is almost exactly 316 (IMO), and Muchmore 45 is suggested as 316 on the version I have. So now I'm looking for a match on Muchmore. What frame rate for Muchmore's camera. How many frames are supposed to be in the film? Mr. SHANEYFELT: Of course the only shot that is readily apparent in any of the films, and it appears in the Zapruder, the Nix, and the Muchmore film, is the shot that hit the President in the head. and there are three photographs picked at random from the Muchmore film, including frame 42, which is the frame depicting the head shot. The Zapruder camera was found to run at an average speed of 18.3 frames per second. The Nix and Muchmore cameras were both found around 18.5 frames per second. She says that when she heard the shots, she panicked, and did not take any further pictures. But a review of her film shows pictures of the assassination route, the motorcade going down Elm Street, beginning just before the shot that hit the President in the head, and continuing a short period after ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When one takes into consideration that "the shots" included the third/last/final shot down by James Altgens position, then it is quite understandable as to exactl why the film continues on past the Z312/313 aka (second shot) to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kennedy White Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Credit Lee Forman for the images below. Thanks for reposting these images... they clearly show that someone standing on a car bumper would have an excellent vantage point through the first window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 (edited) Credit Lee Forman for the images below. Thanks for reposting these images... they clearly show that someone standing on a car bumper would have an excellent vantage point through the first window. I agree, these latter day photos are indicative of the need to stand on something. One must accept that. Equally the need of a ladder is not there. Like you say the back of a car bumper, or perhaps a pickup truck would do. But back then the parking lot/rr yard was not much more than a paddock with rails crossing it. It wasn't landscaped. A photo of the day showing the topography/condition of the rear of the pagoda is needed. Still, apart from establishing how someone could be at the second opening and track Kennedy, the tracking motion remains. It hasn't and wont evaporate by distractions. In fact it won't evapoarate at all. It's there in the film. No one has seen it before because no-one has been able to align the frames correctly to show it happening. And, in order to bring it out you have to increase the gamma to the point that what most would normally want to see is washed out. And finally the timing of the frames and the consequent understanding of the fragment path directions hasn't been done properly before. Now that it has been done, a new place to look at became possible. And in looking at it there is the movement of a dark line tracking Kennedy's head. Sorry, but there it is. No amount of ignoring it or attempting to divert attention will ever change that. It shows that the analysis of the evidence available is far from finished. Far from it. The revolution in the electronic world in capabilities and sharing results, has and will continue to bring results not possible before. post #200: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ost&p=85536 You might not like it but that doesn't change it. What is it? A ghillie wrapped rifle with a flash cone? Edited December 21, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 John...the area behind the pergola that you are speculating about had a small "tool shed" up against the wall. Someone on top of it would have a perfect view thru the pergola openings. And I doubt very much that the tool shed was searched for weapons. I think Lee Foreman took several photos of the tool shed and posted them here months ago. I believe it was under the big tree. Maybe Lee will repost his photos. Jac, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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