Some Pics

[Robin Unger]

Bernice/Michael

Thanks for the pics and the comments.

Is anyone familiar with this pic.

Is there a better copy ?

When was it taken ?

Does it show Babushka ?

[Trygve V. Jensen]

Superb captures Robin. Thank you for posting.

By the way, following from http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_i...ue/guns_dp.html :

"Action on the Roof

Oswald's 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano was not the only weapon seen in Dealey Plaza that day. At1 p.m. Dallas police officers were filmed by Ernest Charles Mentesana removing a rifle from the roof of the Depository. Unlike the Oswald rifle, the rifle Mentesana filmed had no sling, no scope, and protruded at least 7-8 inches past the stock, where Oswald's extended only 4-5 inches. [17] In the film two police officers are standing on a fire escape at the seventh floor of the Depository gesturing to the roof. In the next sequence the rifle is being examined.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter Thayer Waldo watched a group of high-ranking Dallas police officers huddle together for a conference just a few minutes after 1 p.m. on the day of the shooting. When he spoke to a secretary who was privy to the officers' conversations, she told Waldo that police officers had found a rifle on the "roof of the School Book Depository." [18]

W. Anthony Marsh believes the rifle shown in the film is very likely a Dallas Police Department Remington 870 shotgun. Marsh notes that the Dallas Police Department used Remington 870 shotguns. One of the officers escorting three men in the railyards after the shooting was carrying a Remington 870 shotgun. [19]"

I cannot recall at the moment where I read it, but I think I remember that those following frames were not shot by Mentesana, but was something from the DCA-footage. Atleast the following frames after the rifle is shown, where it is a shot of the window of the depository, and it is visible that it is closed. That was apparently taken another day. If I remember correctly that is.

[Bill Miller]

As far as I am led to believe, it is a different rifle. Gary Mack supplied an explanation of the other rifle some time ago via another member. I can't remember the content of the explanation. Apologies if I am wrong about this. Perhaps Gary's "Messenger" could repost Gary's email with the explanation if I am correct.

Duncan

It is said that if you feed a man a fish, then you only feed him for a meal. But if you teach him to fish, then you have fed him for a lifetime. Keep this email address handy ... sending emails are free ... and Gary usually responds within the same day. (GMack@JFK.ORG)

Edited January 13, 2007 by Bill Miller

[Bernice Moore]

Hi Michael:

You may be interested in the information below, a compilation I did some time ago...

The photos are from the Dallas Cinema Associates Film, and Mentesana took such of

the area of the TSBD..that day....

It is another neverending part of the complicated storyline of some of the films and photos that were not wanted,

well heck most were not, that is apparent....They were cut, trashed, of parts that mainly related to the

assassination and lay to waste in a garbage can....to be thrown out and were. To the authorities they

were of no interest.....same old..

The photos posted showed what many believe to be a DPD shot gun, I have wondered why a group of officers,

detectives and such would gather to study one? surely they had had the opportunity to have examined them before.?

Robert Groden , Mark Lane, Jim Garrison, and others also believed that somewhere in this fim, that now may be cut, to

have shown what was another rifle being brought down...if so ??

Anyhoo for whatever.....

Ernest Mentesana & the Dallas Cinema Associates Film.

He was interviewed by Agents E .F. Petrakis and A Raymond Switzer on

April 23rd/64. Who stated that he had been in the freight yards near

the TSBD, and had taken film of "the turmoil in and around the Depository

Building . “

He was with the Dallas Cinema Associates. He informed the FBI all about

the Company, the leading figure, Mrs. Irving Gewertz, how many

photographers had contributed their film footage to such, (18) and other

information. He was under the impression that the film was presently being

prepared for marketing on the home-movie market.

It then took the FBI a month to get around to seeing a Rudolf Viktor Brenk, an

amateur photographer, who edited the films. The story was that the

Dallas Cinema Associates had a plan, which was to make a film of the "last

hour of the President", he was not interested in the assassination scene.

He was looking for a photographic record of the entire Dallas Trip, beginning at the

airport, with the happy President and his smiling wife in as many different poses

and locations as possible. As late as May 20/64 the FBI knew where to get

every scrap of all the original DCA footage, everything not schmaltzy that

Brenk had edited out.

There is no record that they ever did or wanted to.

The unpublished footage, that was all important, or could have been to the

investigation, and all that original footage was of no interest to them.

They finally got around to interviewing Mrs. Gewertz, who was the person

most responsible for the org. of DCA and the production of its film.

It was exactly

6 months after the assassination of President Kennedy.

She had conceived the idea of assembling the movie and she had located

others whose footage was used. She telephoned residences along the route

and the first person with film had agreed to help her locate others.

She also approached the camera shops, learning that others had the same

idea, so they had combined to form the Dallas Cinema.

She told them, as if they, the FBI didn't know that Phil Willis was one of them.

They approached him 30 days later, June 19/64.

The FBI finally got to him just at the time of the publication of a dozen of his photos.

Just as it got to the DCA people as their film was to be made commercially

available.

There is no evidence that the FBI obtained a copy of the DCA film, neither for the

WC nor for itself. It was not the Commission, strange as it may seem that

decided whether any film contained evidence, but the FBI.

Mentesana had taken his first film of the motorcade on the median strip

on Turtle Creek Rd. and was able to obtain approximately ten feet of 8mm

movie film of the motorcade, using a Wollensak Movie Camera, with a 1.9

lens and Kodachrome 11 Film. He estimated the time of the passing motorcade

to have been approximately 12.10 to 12.12pm.

He then took his employee, Arden Wilson, immediately back to his

"Mentesana Grocery Store", dropped him off, and continued to the Katy

Railroad Freight Depot near the TSBD, to pick up some food stuffs.

He learned of the shooting of the President and started filming and took

several feet of film of the occurrences in and around the TSBD Building.

The Fox film company of Dallas processed it.

Being a member of the” Dallas 8mm Movie Club", as well as Albert Bunnell, who also had film,

had called him and told him about Mrs. Irving Gewertz .They had all attended a meeting and

the plan was to exchange copies of each others films. They then formed the group

totaling 18 in number and incorporated it in March 64, and that a film

would be prepared for marketing.

Note:

Rudolf Brenk, took his film of the motorcade from the northwest corner

of Harwood and Ross Sts. at approximately 12.20pm. Using a Cames

Eight- Millimeter movie camera loaded with Dynachrome color film,

the Dynachrome Co. of Halifax St. in Dallas had developed the film.

He was the VP of the Cinema Guild of Texas. Albert Bunnell had put

Mrs. Gewertz in contact with him. They met at the Community Room

of the Republic Savings and Loan Association along with others, and ran

their films for the group.

Some other names were, Mr. Wynn Parr, and Mr. George Shawver.

The group eventually turned over their original films to Brenk, for editing

he ultimately combined them, what he felt were the valuable portions

of the films, into one single film. He subtitled and completed the film.

He estimated it to be one hundred seventy-five feet, excluding leaders

and having a running time of approximately twelve minutes at sixteen

frames a second.

Brenk then sent the film to the Technicolor Inc. of Burbank California,

for further processing in an effort to achieve more uniformity in shading

and coloring. He advised that the cost of the master film from the Company

amounted to a charge of $13.50 from each of the 18 members. A total of $121.50.

He received the first answer print from Technicolor approx. May1/64.

A few changes were made at his request, and the two other answer prints

were received May 18/64.

The group had signed a contract with Sanger-Harris Department Stores

of Dallas, allowing them exclusive rights of sale in the Dallas area only,

for a one month trial period to allow his group to test the public acceptance.

They were to be ready for sale about the middle of June 64, the completed

retail price being set at $24.95.

The FBI could have learned the names of all the filmers but did not bother to.

They were not sought out, though they may have been able to tell them of

other photographers, they were not questioned.

Eventually Brenk took a list of all to the United States Attorney for Dallas as well

as a copy of the film.

Mrs. Irving (Anita) Gewertz, she and her son, Martin had driven to Cedar

Springs Rd, to see the motorcade, at approximately 11.30pm, they had listened to the

progress of the motorcade at her husbands place of employment, Roscoe

Dewitt Architect 2025 Cedar Springs, in the parking lot. She, as well as her husband

and son, had walked to the road about 12.05pm and waited, on the North side.

Her son had an 8mm Bell and Howell camera, The camera was not working

properly and he son was very frustrated, as the motorcade passed at

about 12.20pm.

So they then went to the Trade Mart When they arrived at Irving Blvd and the

service Rd of the Stemmons Freeway, they noticed a group of picketers who

were awaiting the Presidents arrival. She said about 8 or 10 were carrying various

signs which were anti Kennedy and his policies, and that they had tape over

their mouths. Shortly after arriving they heard sirens and saw the lights of

the motorcade proceeding North on Stemmons, at an unusually high rate of

speed, which surprised them. As they passed she noticed a SS man lying on

the back of the President's car pounding his fist on the hull of the car. then

shortly after they heard the announcement on the car radio of the shooting.

Hearing this they then drove to Parkland Hospital, where they observed a hearse

leaving at about 2pm, of which her son took a film, they learned

later it contained the President's body.

The next day they visited the TSBD area and took films. They then drove to

LHO's rooming house on Beckley and took stills. The film was developed at

Sanger-Harris Dept Store. They complained that the camera had not

worked properly at the time the motorcade had passed, and the manager

offered

that several people had brought in film, and perhaps they would share theirs

with her by obtaining copies. That is when she got the idea of telephoning

people along the route. That is when she was in contact with a Mrs. Frances

Hays who also had film and offered to help her locate others. It was her

intention to secure and gather a film sequence for her own use and to keep

as a memorial to President Kennedy.

However after she had made calls, many were very interested and she

decided that the films sequences might be put together

and made available to the general public. Another she learned of was an O.B.

Ashmore who had taken still photographs, in the vicinity of the Trade Mart.

On July 16/64 ... the DOJ, Hoover to Rankin…… A film has been examined that was

furnished by the Wolper Prods Inc. it was found to show very little of the

President's motorcade during the firing of the assassinations shots. Should

members wish to view this film, please advice us....... the roll of film you

furnished is returned herewith....

July 23/64.... Hoover to Rankin, Reference is made in your letter dated Jul.16/64

enclosing letter from Martha Joe Stroud, Asst USA, Dallas. and a film referred

to......This has been reviewed in the FBI Laboratory and found to contain very

little of the President's motorcade during the firing of the assassination shots.

"It is noted the portion of the film depicting the motorcade on Elm St.

at the assassination site is a copy of the same film that was furnished to the Commission

by the Wolper Prod. The Wolper film was furnished to us with your letter dated

June 3/64. Was examined and returned to you with a letter dated June 16/64."

"The film that you submitted with your letter dated July 16/64, is attached."

July10/64. USDOJ Dallas, Stroud to Howard Willens President's Commission.

Mr. Rudy Brenk brought the enclosed film into this office today..

He states there are no other persons that took film at the scene of the assassination

so far as he knows.

I am attaching a list of photographers who furnished film for

"President Kennedy's Final Hour".

Mr. Brenk wants the film back unless the Commission wants to buy it. It

costs $24.95.

List of names associated with the Dallas Cinema..

Mr. Dick Allen: George Shawver : Wynn Parr: Rudy Brenk: Bryant ..ren?

Earl Nester ?: Dr. Howard Seigler: Irving Gewertz: Charles Mentesana:

Larry Thomas:…..next crossed out..again next crossed out……..Allen Rhodes, Albert Benell:

George Kincaid: Joe Brown: C. W. Gray:

Mrs. Hazel Randell: but Randell

has an x through it ? and something unlegible written over it.?

Mr. Speigle: Mr.John Martin.

And there it lies, unless there is more info that I have not come across

perhaps somewhere there is an old copy, of the film in a box or

in someone’s attic, a researcher's shelf ?somewhere. in Dallas.?

Information from Harold Weisberg “Photographic Whitewash".1967.

Mentesana.mpg

http://www.jfk-online.com/Mentesana.mpg

Here is some further info, about the Dallas Cinema Film.....Mentesana and the others.

Two other film clips, but very little..

from Bart Cop. On their page below as well, if these following links do not work..

http://www.geocities.com/verisimus101/sbt.htm

Film clip.

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.h...u.edu%2Fdca1.rm

Film clip.

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.h...u.edu%2Fdca1.rm

Old posts of 1992 & 96 that might be of interest...

1996 The Dallas Cinema film

http://www.constitution.org/piml/96060508.txt

The Assassination scene in Dallas 1992

http://www.anomalies.net/archive/wiretap/C...ry/jfk-foto.lis

Garrison

During this exceedingly brief period of innocence, police officers encountered another rifle at the book depository which was not part of the approved scenario. Until control was obtained over the situation, this building which housed children's schoolbooks more closely resembled the Alamo. The rifle encountered was triumphantly brought down from the depository by Dallas police officers a few minutes after 1:00 P.M. Its discovery was recorded on film by a cameraman named Mentesana and made available commercially in the Dallas Cinema Associates film of the assassination. .

In the film, the rifle is being held aloft by a policeman, and other officers and citizens are crowded around to stare at this nearly historic weapon. Beneath the filmed scene is the legend "The Assassin's Rifle." Unlike the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle subsequently produced as Lee Oswald's murder weapon, "The Assassin's Rifle" has no telescopic sight on it. This rifle has never been publicly seen since. On the sixth floor of the depository, Officer Seymour Weitzman, searching through the crates of books, found a hidden rifle which he described as a 7.65 Mauser.

In a sworn affidavit he also described the Mauser's telescopic sight as being 4/18 power and also spoke of the gun strap. It should be added that Weitzman formerly was in the sporting goods business and knew guns. The 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano, later produced as Oswald's, had "Made in Italy" boldly printed on the side. The 7.65 Mauser is as easily distinguishable from this cheap rifle as it is from a bowl of spaghetti. When the official scenario finally filtered down through the Dallas ranks, the Mauser disappeared and the rifle without a sight disappeared, and all that remained was the Mannlicher-Carcano with which the lone assassin, legend now tells us, accomplished history's greatest sharpshooting feat unaided by other rifles in the hands of other men. The other rifles became as nonexistent as unicorns, unworthy of attention in the government's 26 volume summary of "the hearings" and "the evidence."

The nice thing, for the official investigation, about the Mannlicher-Carcano was that three empty cartridges found by the famous window matched it and had, at some point in time, been fired from it. Two of the cartridges were lying next to each other and were not ejected ten to twelve feet out to the side as cartridges ordinarily are.

When the Mannlicher-Carcano was sent to the FBI laboratory, the technician were unable to find any of Lee Oswald's fingerprints on it. Some nine days later --- a week after Oswald's murder --- the Dallas Police Department rushed up to Washington a palm print of Oswald's which it said it had found on the gun. However, even the stoutest defenders of the Dallas police, a most exclusive group by that time, did not put too much stock in the late-discovered palm print. Although it is possible to determine by tests whether or not a rifle has been fired recently, there is no evidence that such a test was given to the rifle which was supposed to have killed the President. One can hardly blame the law enforcement authorities for not wanting to play Russian roulette at this point. It was bad enough that the paraffin test tended to exonerate Oswald from having fired a rifle without exonerating the rifle as well. Power can cause unpropelled inanimate objects to move from one position to another.

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff...news6/power.htm

Other Garrison Findings

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/other_garrison.htm

Inventory of the Records of the Warren Commission

Entry 18: Films

1963, 6 inches

Arranged as follows:

one 16-mm, reel consisting of a silent WDSU-TV (New Orleans) film taken on August 16, 1963, of Lee Harvey Oswald distributing leaflets on behalf of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and on August 12, 1963, outside the Municipal Court at New Orleans on the day of Oswald's court appearance, and a sound film interview on August 21, 1963, at the WDSU studios shortly after a radio program in which Oswald participated;

an 8-mm. film entitled "President Kennedy's Final Hour," produced by Dallas Cinema Associates, Inc., from films taken by photographers along the route of the President's motorcade;

a 16-mm. film of the President's motorcade taken by an unidentified amateur photographer, furnished to the Commission by Wolper Productions, Inc.;

a 16-mm. film which includes scenes of District Attorney Wade of Dallas speaking in the Dallas Police Department building and some silent film;

a 16-mm. film of Lee Harvey Oswald speaking in the assembly room of the Dallas Police Department;

a 16-m. film of unidentified origin, accompanied by an explanatory Secret Service memorandum, showing an aerial view of the site of the assassination and an interview with a gunsmith concerning Oswald's rifle and the mounting of telescopic sights;

reels 65 and 66 of 16-mm. National Broadcasting Co. film relating to the shooting of Oswald; and

an 8-mm. United Press International film showing only a title relating to the assassination.

For the Zapruder film (CE 904), Nix (CE 905), and Muchmore (CE 906) films, see Entry 42. For the Zapruder slides (CD 858), see Entry 8. Entry 19: Radio Tape Recordings

1963, 12 feet

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warre...?template=print

In Robert Groden's "Assassination Films". He narrates as the film is playing, "this film is important because it shows the discovery of a second rifle in the School Book Depository. Here's the rifle being examined by the police".

There were four law enforcement officers from the DPD and Sheriff's office ,Weitzman, Boone, Craig,

and Fritz.

Deputy Sheriff Boone stated that after the rifle was found, Captain Fritz was called to the scene. Boone in his Warren Commission testimony:

Ball: "Who referred to it as a Mauser that day?"

Boone: "I believe Captain Fritz. He had knelt down there to look at it, and before he removed it, not knowing what it was, he said that

is what it looks like. This is when Lieutenant Day, I believe his name is, the ID man was getting ready to photograph it.

We were discussing it beck and forth. And he said it looks like a 7.65 Mauser.

Ball: "Thank you." (WC III p 295)

For some two to three days, the weapon was referred to by the authorities, as well as the CIA, and media, as being a German Mauser…

Also in the NBC Film "As it Happened" which starts on the air 14 minutes into the assassination, Lt. JC Day was reported leaving the TSBD with a British 303 rifle with a scope mounted onto it..??

Below the top photo is the West side I beieve of the TSBD.....

B..

Edited January 14, 2007 by Bernice Moore

[Michael G. Smith]

Hi Michael:

You may be interested in the information below, a compilation I did some time ago...

The photos are from the Dallas Cinema Associates Film, and Mentesana took such of

the area of the TSBD..that day....

It is another neverending part of the complicated storyline of some of the films and photos that were not wanted,

well heck most were not, that is apparent....They were cut, trashed, of parts that mainly related to the

assassination and lay to waste in a garbage can....to be thrown out and were. To the authorities they

were of no interest.....same old..

The photos posted showed what many believe to be a DPD shot gun, I have wondered why a group of officers,

detectives and such would gather to study one? surely they had had the opportunity to have examined them before.?

Robert Groden , Mark Lane, Jim Garrison, and others also believed that somewhere in this fim, that now may be cut, to

have shown what was another rifle being brought down...if so ??

Anyhoo for whatever.....

Ernest Mentesana & the Dallas Cinema Associates Film.

He was interviewed by Agents E .F. Petrakis and A Raymond Switzer on

April 23rd/64. Who stated that he had been in the freight yards near

the TSBD, and had taken film of "the turmoil in and around the Depository

Building . “

He was with the Dallas Cinema Associates. He informed the FBI all about

the Company, the leading figure, Mrs. Irving Gewertz, how many

photographers had contributed their film footage to such, (18) and other

information. He was under the impression that the film was presently being

prepared for marketing on the home-movie market.

It then took the FBI a month to get around to seeing a Rudolf Viktor Brenk, an

amateur photographer, who edited the films. The story was that the

Dallas Cinema Associates had a plan, which was to make a film of the "last

hour of the President", he was not interested in the assassination scene.

He was looking for a photographic record of the entire Dallas Trip, beginning at the

airport, with the happy President and his smiling wife in as many different poses

and locations as possible. As late as May 20/64 the FBI knew where to get

every scrap of all the original DCA footage, everything not schmaltzy that

Brenk had edited out.

There is no record that they ever did or wanted to.

The unpublished footage, that was all important, or could have been to the

investigation, and all that original footage was of no interest to them.

They finally got around to interviewing Mrs. Gewertz, who was the person

most responsible for the org. of DCA and the production of its film.

It was exactly

6 months after the assassination of President Kennedy.

She had conceived the idea of assembling the movie and she had located

others whose footage was used. She telephoned residences along the route

and the first person with film had agreed to help her locate others.

She also approached the camera shops, learning that others had the same

idea, so they had combined to form the Dallas Cinema.

She told them, as if they, the FBI didn't know that Phil Willis was one of them.

They approached him 30 days later, June 19/64.

The FBI finally got to him just at the time of the publication of a dozen of his photos.

Just as it got to the DCA people as their film was to be made commercially

available.

There is no evidence that the FBI obtained a copy of the DCA film, neither for the

WC nor for itself. It was not the Commission, strange as it may seem that

decided whether any film contained evidence, but the FBI.

Mentesana had taken his first film of the motorcade on the median strip

on Turtle Creek Rd. and was able to obtain approximately ten feet of 8mm

movie film of the motorcade, using a Wollensak Movie Camera, with a 1.9

lens and Kodachrome 11 Film. He estimated the time of the passing motorcade

to have been approximately 12.10 to 12.12pm.

He then took his employee, Arden Wilson, immediately back to his

"Mentesana Grocery Store", dropped him off, and continued to the Katy

Railroad Freight Depot near the TSBD, to pick up some food stuffs.

He learned of the shooting of the President and started filming and took

several feet of film of the occurrences in and around the TSBD Building.

The Fox film company of Dallas processed it.

Being a member of the” Dallas 8mm Movie Club", as well as Albert Bunnell, who also had film,

had called him and told him about Mrs. Irving Gewertz .They had all attended a meeting and

the plan was to exchange copies of each others films. They then formed the group

totaling 18 in number and incorporated it in March 64, and that a film

would be prepared for marketing.

Note:

Rudolf Brenk, took his film of the motorcade from the northwest corner

of Harwood and Ross Sts. at approximately 12.20pm. Using a Cames

Eight- Millimeter movie camera loaded with Dynachrome color film,

the Dynachrome Co. of Halifax St. in Dallas had developed the film.

He was the VP of the Cinema Guild of Texas. Albert Bunnell had put

Mrs. Gewertz in contact with him. They met at the Community Room

of the Republic Savings and Loan Association along with others, and ran

their films for the group.

Some other names were, Mr. Wynn Parr, and Mr. George Shawver.

The group eventually turned over their original films to Brenk, for editing

he ultimately combined them, what he felt were the valuable portions

of the films, into one single film. He subtitled and completed the film.

He estimated it to be one hundred seventy-five feet, excluding leaders

and having a running time of approximately twelve minutes at sixteen

frames a second.

Brenk then sent the film to the Technicolor Inc. of Burbank California,

for further processing in an effort to achieve more uniformity in shading

and coloring. He advised that the cost of the master film from the Company

amounted to a charge of $13.50 from each of the 18 members. A total of $121.50.

He received the first answer print from Technicolor approx. May1/64.

A few changes were made at his request, and the two other answer prints

were received May 18/64.

The group had signed a contract with Sanger-Harris Department Stores

of Dallas, allowing them exclusive rights of sale in the Dallas area only,

for a one month trial period to allow his group to test the public acceptance.

They were to be ready for sale about the middle of June 64, the completed

retail price being set at $24.95.

The FBI could have learned the names of all the filmers but did not bother to.

They were not sought out, though they may have been able to tell them of

other photographers, they were not questioned.

Eventually Brenk took a list of all to the United States Attorney for Dallas as well

as a copy of the film.

Mrs. Irving (Anita) Gewertz, she and her son, Martin had driven to Cedar

Springs Rd, to see the motorcade, at approximately 11.30pm, they had listened to the

progress of the motorcade at her husbands place of employment, Roscoe

Dewitt Architect 2025 Cedar Springs, in the parking lot. She, as well as her husband

and son, had walked to the road about 12.05pm and waited, on the North side.

Her son had an 8mm Bell and Howell camera, The camera was not working

properly and he son was very frustrated, as the motorcade passed at

about 12.20pm.

So they then went to the Trade Mart When they arrived at Irving Blvd and the

service Rd of the Stemmons Freeway, they noticed a group of picketers who

were awaiting the Presidents arrival. She said about 8 or 10 were carrying various

signs which were anti Kennedy and his policies, and that they had tape over

their mouths. Shortly after arriving they heard sirens and saw the lights of

the motorcade proceeding North on Stemmons, at an unusually high rate of

speed, which surprised them. As they passed she noticed a SS man lying on

the back of the President's car pounding his fist on the hull of the car. then

shortly after they heard the announcement on the car radio of the shooting.

Hearing this they then drove to Parkland Hospital, where they observed a hearse

leaving at about 2pm, of which her son took a film, they learned

later it contained the President's body.

The next day they visited the TSBD area and took films. They then drove to

LHO's rooming house on Beckley and took stills. The film was developed at

Sanger-Harris Dept Store. They complained that the camera had not

worked properly at the time the motorcade had passed, and the manager

offered

that several people had brought in film, and perhaps they would share theirs

with her by obtaining copies. That is when she got the idea of telephoning

people along the route. That is when she was in contact with a Mrs. Frances

Hays who also had film and offered to help her locate others. It was her

intention to secure and gather a film sequence for her own use and to keep

as a memorial to President Kennedy.

However after she had made calls, many were very interested and she

decided that the films sequences might be put together

and made available to the general public. Another she learned of was an O.B.

Ashmore who had taken still photographs, in the vicinity of the Trade Mart.

On July 16/64 ... the DOJ, Hoover to Rankin…… A film has been examined that was

furnished by the Wolper Prods Inc. it was found to show very little of the

President's motorcade during the firing of the assassinations shots. Should

members wish to view this film, please advice us....... the roll of film you

furnished is returned herewith....

July 23/64.... Hoover to Rankin, Reference is made in your letter dated Jul.16/64

enclosing letter from Martha Joe Stroud, Asst USA, Dallas. and a film referred

to......This has been reviewed in the FBI Laboratory and found to contain very

little of the President's motorcade during the firing of the assassination shots.

"It is noted the portion of the film depicting the motorcade on Elm St.

at the assassination site is a copy of the same film that was furnished to the Commission

by the Wolper Prod. The Wolper film was furnished to us with your letter dated

June 3/64. Was examined and returned to you with a letter dated June 16/64."

"The film that you submitted with your letter dated July 16/64, is attached."

July10/64. USDOJ Dallas, Stroud to Howard Willens President's Commission.

Mr. Rudy Brenk brought the enclosed film into this office today..

He states there are no other persons that took film at the scene of the assassination

so far as he knows.

I am attaching a list of photographers who furnished film for

"President Kennedy's Final Hour".

Mr. Brenk wants the film back unless the Commission wants to buy it. It

costs $24.95.

List of names associated with the Dallas Cinema..

Mr. Dick Allen: George Shawver : Wynn Parr: Rudy Brenk: Bryant ..ren?

Earl Nester ?: Dr. Howard Seigler: Irving Gewertz: Charles Mentesana:

Larry Thomas:…..next crossed out..again next crossed out……..Allen Rhodes, Albert Benell:

George Kincaid: Joe Brown: C. W. Gray:

Mrs. Hazel Randell: but Randell

has an x through it ? and something unlegible written over it.?

Mr. Speigle: Mr.John Martin.

And there it lies, unless there is more info that I have not come across

perhaps somewhere there is an old copy, of the film in a box or

in someone’s attic, a researcher's shelf ?somewhere. in Dallas.?

Information from Harold Weisberg “Photographic Whitewash".1967.

Mentesana.mpg

http://www.jfk-online.com/Mentesana.mpg

Here is some further info, about the Dallas Cinema Film.....Mentesana and the others.

Two other film clips, but very little..

from Bart Cop. On their page below as well, if these following links do not work..

http://www.geocities.com/verisimus101/sbt.htm

Film clip.

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.h...u.edu%2Fdca1.rm

Film clip.

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.h...u.edu%2Fdca1.rm

Old posts of 1992 & 96 that might be of interest...

1996 The Dallas Cinema film

http://www.constitution.org/piml/96060508.txt

The Assassination scene in Dallas 1992

http://www.anomalies.net/archive/wiretap/C...ry/jfk-foto.lis

Garrison

During this exceedingly brief period of innocence, police officers encountered another rifle at the book depository which was not part of the approved scenario. Until control was obtained over the situation, this building which housed children's schoolbooks more closely resembled the Alamo. The rifle encountered was triumphantly brought down from the depository by Dallas police officers a few minutes after 1:00 P.M. Its discovery was recorded on film by a cameraman named Mentesana and made available commercially in the Dallas Cinema Associates film of the assassination. .

In the film, the rifle is being held aloft by a policeman, and other officers and citizens are crowded around to stare at this nearly historic weapon. Beneath the filmed scene is the legend "The Assassin's Rifle." Unlike the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle subsequently produced as Lee Oswald's murder weapon, "The Assassin's Rifle" has no telescopic sight on it. This rifle has never been publicly seen since. On the sixth floor of the depository, Officer Seymour Weitzman, searching through the crates of books, found a hidden rifle which he described as a 7.65 Mauser.

In a sworn affidavit he also described the Mauser's telescopic sight as being 4/18 power and also spoke of the gun strap. It should be added that Weitzman formerly was in the sporting goods business and knew guns. The 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano, later produced as Oswald's, had "Made in Italy" boldly printed on the side. The 7.65 Mauser is as easily distinguishable from this cheap rifle as it is from a bowl of spaghetti. When the official scenario finally filtered down through the Dallas ranks, the Mauser disappeared and the rifle without a sight disappeared, and all that remained was the Mannlicher-Carcano with which the lone assassin, legend now tells us, accomplished history's greatest sharpshooting feat unaided by other rifles in the hands of other men. The other rifles became as nonexistent as unicorns, unworthy of attention in the government's 26 volume summary of "the hearings" and "the evidence."

The nice thing, for the official investigation, about the Mannlicher-Carcano was that three empty cartridges found by the famous window matched it and had, at some point in time, been fired from it. Two of the cartridges were lying next to each other and were not ejected ten to twelve feet out to the side as cartridges ordinarily are.

When the Mannlicher-Carcano was sent to the FBI laboratory, the technician were unable to find any of Lee Oswald's fingerprints on it. Some nine days later --- a week after Oswald's murder --- the Dallas Police Department rushed up to Washington a palm print of Oswald's which it said it had found on the gun. However, even the stoutest defenders of the Dallas police, a most exclusive group by that time, did not put too much stock in the late-discovered palm print. Although it is possible to determine by tests whether or not a rifle has been fired recently, there is no evidence that such a test was given to the rifle which was supposed to have killed the President. One can hardly blame the law enforcement authorities for not wanting to play Russian roulette at this point. It was bad enough that the paraffin test tended to exonerate Oswald from having fired a rifle without exonerating the rifle as well. Power can cause unpropelled inanimate objects to move from one position to another.

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff...news6/power.htm

Other Garrison Findings

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/other_garrison.htm

Inventory of the Records of the Warren Commission

Entry 18: Films

1963, 6 inches

Arranged as follows:

one 16-mm, reel consisting of a silent WDSU-TV (New Orleans) film taken on August 16, 1963, of Lee Harvey Oswald distributing leaflets on behalf of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and on August 12, 1963, outside the Municipal Court at New Orleans on the day of Oswald's court appearance, and a sound film interview on August 21, 1963, at the WDSU studios shortly after a radio program in which Oswald participated;

an 8-mm. film entitled "President Kennedy's Final Hour," produced by Dallas Cinema Associates, Inc., from films taken by photographers along the route of the President's motorcade;

a 16-mm. film of the President's motorcade taken by an unidentified amateur photographer, furnished to the Commission by Wolper Productions, Inc.;

a 16-mm. film which includes scenes of District Attorney Wade of Dallas speaking in the Dallas Police Department building and some silent film;

a 16-mm. film of Lee Harvey Oswald speaking in the assembly room of the Dallas Police Department;

a 16-m. film of unidentified origin, accompanied by an explanatory Secret Service memorandum, showing an aerial view of the site of the assassination and an interview with a gunsmith concerning Oswald's rifle and the mounting of telescopic sights;

reels 65 and 66 of 16-mm. National Broadcasting Co. film relating to the shooting of Oswald; and

an 8-mm. United Press International film showing only a title relating to the assassination.

For the Zapruder film (CE 904), Nix (CE 905), and Muchmore (CE 906) films, see Entry 42. For the Zapruder slides (CD 858), see Entry 8. Entry 19: Radio Tape Recordings

1963, 12 feet

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warre...?template=print

In Robert Groden's "Assassination Films". He narrates as the film is playing, "this film is important because it shows the discovery of a second rifle in the School Book Depository. Here's the rifle being examined by the police".

There were four law enforcement officers from the DPD and Sheriff's office ,Weitzman, Boone, Craig,

and Fritz.

Deputy Sheriff Boone stated that after the rifle was found, Captain Fritz was called to the scene. Boone in his Warren Commission testimony:

Ball: "Who referred to it as a Mauser that day?"

Boone: "I believe Captain Fritz. He had knelt down there to look at it, and before he removed it, not knowing what it was, he said that

is what it looks like. This is when Lieutenant Day, I believe his name is, the ID man was getting ready to photograph it.

We were discussing it beck and forth. And he said it looks like a 7.65 Mauser.

Ball: "Thank you." (WC III p 295)

For some two to three days, the weapon was referred to by the authorities, as well as the CIA, and media, as being a German Mauser…

Also in the NBC Film "As it Happened" which starts on the air 14 minutes into the assassination, Lt. JC Day was reported leaving the TSBD with a British 303 rifle with a scope mounted onto it..??

Below the top photo is the West side I beieve of the TSBD.....

B..

Bernice, you are a real sweetheart! You have also just become my new best friend! LOL! I am so happy to have recieved this information from you concerning Mr. Mentesanas film, and to get all of the additional information is like Christmas all over again! I will be checking all of this information you posted for the next month or so! LOL! The "other" rifle, supposedly found on the TSBD roof, has been a thorn in my side for some time, and to finally get this amount of information in one lump sum, is just overwelming. I cant thank you enough for the time you put into this and your consideration to my interest in this matter. My deepest thanks to you for your help and thoughtfulness.-smitty

[Bernice Moore]

Your very welcome Mike..anytime..

I forgot to include the Dallas Cinema Associates Documents link ..

took one last look in the folder..and ta da..

There you have it. Hope it helps...

http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/dca.html

B..

[Robin Unger]

This photo was sent to me in cryptic manner...on the surface it is just some people in DP after the shooting listening to a radio [for news? on fate of JFK]...Does anyone know any persons in it, or about it?

Peter.

Great photo.

Thanks for sharing it.

[Trygve V. Jensen]

Mentesana, and uncropped Powell.

Thank you P. Lemkin for sharing the photos. Windows keep insisting I use Wordpad to open the *.doc-file that is downloadable in your post. And Wordpad can't open it.

[Robin Unger]

Some of the photos sent are likely not of any import for the assassination per se, and were taken later in the afternoon, when the flowers started to be placed in DP.

Awesome pics Peter.

Thanks very much, if you have more please post.

[Lee Forman]

There were other photos sent 15 years ago...here is another. Can anyone pinpoint the time after assassination. I'd guess less than 30 min. Does anyone know who the photographer was? It was not the person who sent these to me all those years ago...that I know.

Wow Peter!

Thanks for sharing those. Can't help on the answers. In terms of the 'when' - apparently after Norman, Williams and Jarman constructed a 'Sniper's Nest' out of boxes on the Fifth floor.

- lee

[James Richards]

There were other photos sent 15 years ago...here is another. Can anyone pinpoint the time after assassination. I'd guess less than 30 min. Does anyone know who the photographer was? It was not the person who sent these to me all those years ago...that I know. (Peter Lemkin)

Peter,

That one might have been snapped around the time the 3 Tramps were marched through Dealey Plaza. That white van on the right of frame is also present in the background of a couple of Tramps images.

Having said that, the white vehicle parked on Houston looks like 1962/63 Ford Galaxie while the white vehicle present in the background of the Tramps images is a Dodge (I think).

James

Edited January 14, 2007 by James Richards

[Michael G. Smith]

There were other photos sent 15 years ago...here is another. Can anyone pinpoint the time after assassination. I'd guess less than 30 min. Does anyone know who the photographer was? It was not the person who sent these to me all those years ago...that I know. (Peter Lemkin)

Peter,

That one might have been snapped around the time the 3 Tramps were marched through Dealey Plaza. That white van on the right of frame is also present in the background of a couple of Tramps images.

Having said that, the white vehicle parked on Houston looks like 1962/63 Ford Galaxie while the white vehicle present in the background of the Tramps images is a Dodge (I think).

James

Thanks Peter. The picture of the Stemmons sign when blown up, is probably the best photo Ive ever seen of the sign after the shooting. Thanks again.--smitty

[Ed LeDoux]

1. any photos of individuals milling about the epileptic who collapsed in Dealey Plaza?

or

2. Any photos of the very tall individual with a crew-cut who was seen a couple of blocks away from the Plaza on the morning of 11/22/63?

PS Have you scanned "The JFK Murder - A Revisionist History" for photos? There are a few gems in there, particularly some footage of Dallas Police breaking up some extreme right-wing protestors [time frame unknown probably circa latter half 1963 early 1964?

Robert,

Here is what you wanted from THE MURDER OF JFK, A REVISIONISTS HISTORY.

I like the guy in black face.lol Also you can see the Adolphus Hotel in the background. Notice the one cop is a reserve officer. Is the tall guy with the crew cut the same one you were looking for around DP?

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Some of the photos sent are likely not of any import for the assassination per se, and were taken later in the afternoon, when the flowers started to be placed in DP.

Some of the photos sent are likely not of any import for the assassination per se,

Perhaps not for the actual assassination! However, this photo just may be one of the single most important photographs to surface.

And although others demonstrate the same quality, this one is singularly the absolute best.

[David G. Healy]

Some of the photos sent are likely not of any import for the assassination per se, and were taken later in the afternoon, when the flowers started to be placed in DP.

Peter,

Can you [or the source] confirm this photo was taken the same day of the assassination?

Tnx,

David Healy