Attorney's file on Roger Stone, LaRouche and Russia influencing the 2016 presidential election

[Cliff Varnell]

1 hour ago, Dale Thorn said:

To be perfectly honest, the damage done to the First Amendment  - not only by major "news" corporations, but by Leftist college boards and tenured professors and staff all over the U.S. - is probably beyond repair, short of a revolution that breaks all of it up.

That's like saying the Roman Catholic Church should be abolished because of all those pedophile priests.

[Sandy Larsen]

3 hours ago, Dale Thorn said:

6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

It was primarily those on the far right who were behind those murderous acts. And it is primarily those on the left who advocate food stamps for the poor. Your lumping the two together is a convenient way to demonize food stamps.

Far Right? Umm, no. The 20th century witnessed 150 million or more murdered by Socialists.

 

First off, those 150 million were not murdered by socialists... they were murdered by communists. As Cliff has already pointed out.

Second, you just changed the topic on me. What I said had nothing to do with the 150 million murders. It had to do with the misdeeds of the (primarily) far right in the American government, which  you characterized as follows:

"The same government who raped and pillaged Africa and murdered some of its great leaders (Lumumba, Khadafi, etc. The same government Ramsey Clark condemned for the Highway of Death. The same government who gave us The Mighty Wurlitzer, Operation Northwoods, the JFK coverup, and an endless array of CIA treasons."

 

3 hours ago, Dale Thorn said:

You People on the Left are always blaming the wrong people.

 

Hey, you're the one who blamed socialists for what the communist did, not me.

Where did I blame the wrong people?

 

[Sandy Larsen]

4 hours ago, Dale Thorn said:

As far as God being inserted into government is concerned, it was already done by the time the U.S. became a nation, under a constitution.

 

Where in the U.S. Constitution is it stated that God has some kind of position in the U.S. government?

And whose god is it supposed to be?

And how is that supposed to work?

 

4 hours ago, Dale Thorn said:

You know where to look, but I'm guessing you're in denial (Leftist denial).

This is more like right-wing confusion on your part. I'm pretty sure that God is not even mentioned in the Constitution. If you want to prove otherwise, I'm all ears.

 

[Guest Dale Thorn]

4 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Dale, That is a failed distraction to your comment:

 

Again: 

First Amendment - U.S. Constitution

 

First Amendment - Religion and Expression

Amendment Text | Annotations

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. 

The lack of sincerity here is telling. Your "first amendment interpretation" is some kind of absolute, but then you fail on the Second. Oh, you thought that was off topic?

Rule #1: Freedom, as the Founders understood it, is not a license to do whatever you want, it's a responsibility to do right.

[Guest Dale Thorn]

4 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

That’s scary, you long for a violent purge of intellectualism.

Kappo: Do you have a degree?

Citizen: Yes

Kappo: Kill him.

Dale: Sure thing, boss.

Your strawman argument fails. Only the Left is violent, as you well know. You can search in 20th century history, or look at Antifa today. Only the Left is really violent. 

But then, you love distracting arguments. You view corporatist (i.e. fascist) "free speech"as equivalent to an individual's constitutional right to free speech.

Edited May 28, 2019 by Dale Thorn

[Guest Dale Thorn]

31 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Where in the U.S. Constitution is it stated that God has some kind of position in the U.S. government?

And whose god is it supposed to be?

And how is that supposed to work?

 

This is more like right-wing confusion on your part. I'm pretty sure that God is not even mentioned in the Constitution. If you want to prove otherwise, I'm all ears.

 

More distractions and strawman confusion. The founders recognized a vitally important principle of freedom, which John Kennedy pointed out in no uncertain terms - that God-granted rights (regardless of which transcendent god you like or not) are untouchable by government, while government-granted rights are arbitrary.

Same with "democracy", or do I have to explain to you what the problems are with pure democracy?

The childish thinking on this forum is inexcusable, unless of course you're a Leftist, meaning a closet genocidal thug.

[Guest Dale Thorn]

50 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

First off, those 150 million were not murdered by socialists... they were murdered by communists. As Cliff has already pointed out.

Second, you just changed the topic on me. What I said had nothing to do with the 150 million murders. It had to do with the misdeeds of the (primarily) far right in the American government, which  you characterized as follows:

"The same government who raped and pillaged Africa and murdered some of its great leaders (Lumumba, Khadafi, etc. The same government Ramsey Clark condemned for the Highway of Death. The same government who gave us The Mighty Wurlitzer, Operation Northwoods, the JFK coverup, and an endless array of CIA treasons."

 

 

Hey, you're the one who blamed socialists for what the communist did, not me.

Where did I blame the wrong people?

 

Socialist or communist - you're just splitting hairs. People who think above your level have covered this at length elsewhere. No different than democrat versus republican - "Not a dime's worth of difference between them."

National Socialist German Workers Party.

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

etc. etc.

[Guest Dale Thorn]

3 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

That's like saying the Roman Catholic Church should be abolished because of all those pedophile priests.

The Catholic Church does not brainwash Baptists. But CNN and the NYT, fascist organizations that they are, work on everyone. They even work on you, as you defend the indefensible. See Cokie Roberts on "friendly fascism".

[Michael Clark]

5 minutes ago, Dale Thorn said:

The lack of sincerity here is telling. Your "first amendment interpretation" is some kind of absolute, but then you fail on the Second. Oh, you thought that was off topic?

Rule #1: Freedom, as the Founders understood it, is not a license to do whatever you want, it's a responsibility to do right.

What “interpretation” are you talking about? That is the first amendment to the US constitution. It embodies the separation of church and state thing that you said didnt exist except in reference to holding of office. I’ll quote you, again...

“BTW, where did you find "separation of church and state"?  I see only one stipulation, and that is the Constitutional statement that there can be no religious test for government office.“

 

Regarding your rule #1. That’s a nice mantra. But that’s all it is. Your mantra is not an interpretation of the founding fathers, that comes from people like Rush Limbaugh. There is no one size fits all, for doing what is right. I think it would be right to take notorious, felonious offenders and dread them to a guit spot and be done with them. You can’t convince me otherwise. It is illegal, and that’s why I won’t do it,  Law does not tell us what is right and wrong. This is the concept of Mala in se and Mala prohibita. Look it up.

Your simplifications of morality are dangerous..

[Michael Clark]

21 minutes ago, Dale Thorn said:

Your strawman argument fails. Only the Left is violent, as you well know. You can search in 20th century history, or look at Antifa today. Only the Left is really violent. 

But then, you love distracting arguments. You view corporatist (i.e. fascist) "free speech"as equivalent to an individual's constitutional right to free speech.

I would have not even bothered engaging you had I known.

Best of luck to you.

[Guest Dale Thorn]

2 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

What “interpretation” are you talking about? That is the first amendment to the US constitution. It embodies the separation of church and state thing that you said didnt exist except in reference to holding of office. I’ll quote you, again...

“BTW, where did you find "separation of church and state"?  I see only one stipulation, and that is the Constitutional statement that there can be no religious test for government office.“

 

Regarding your rule #1. That’s a nice mantra. But that’s all it is. Your mantra is not an interpretation of the founding fathers, that comes from people like Rush Limbaugh. There is no one size fits all, for doing what is right. I think it would be right to take notorious, felonious offenders and dread them to a guit spot and be done with them. You can’t convince me otherwise. It is illegal, and that’s why I won’t do it,  Law does not tell us what is right and wrong. This is the concept of Mala in se and Mala prohibita. Look it up.

Your simplifications of morality are dangerous..

Your note about Rush Limbaugh paints you as a Leftist. Enough said there. Your statement that the First Amendment embodies separation of church and state is ludicrous. The state has no morality. Did you read the Patriot Act? Only the church has the 2000 year old historical credibility to put teeth into the Bill of Rights. A purely religion-free belief in the state is  a slippery slope to ....... umm, exactly what I see here - nonsense, insanity, anarchy - take your pick.

[Sandy Larsen]

37 minutes ago, Dale Thorn said:

Socialist or communist - you're just splitting hairs. People who think above your level have covered this at length elsewhere.

 

Yes they have. And they agree with me. Just because communism shares some characteristics with socialism doesn't make them the same. Do you think it was the socialist aspect of communism that led to the 150 million deaths? Of course it wasn't. It was because the communists had absolute power and killing was their means of maintaining that power.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Dale Thorn said:

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Where in the U.S. Constitution is it stated that God has some kind of position in the U.S. government?

And whose god is it supposed to be?

And how is that supposed to work?

More distractions and strawman confusion.

 

Dale can't answer my questions, so he has to call them distractions....

 

1 hour ago, Dale Thorn said:

The childish thinking on this forum is inexcusable, unless of course you're a Leftist, meaning a closet genocidal thug

 

and resort to ad hominem attacks.

 

[Paul Brancato]

Dale Thorn can’t be serious. He’s just jerking everyone’s chain. Best to ignore.

[Sandy Larsen]

8 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Dale Thorn can’t be serious. He’s just jerking everyone’s chain. Best to ignore.

 

That's just what I was thinking. He spews nonsense. And then he cannot defend it, so he deflects criticism and moves on to something else.