Mark Knight Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 How a bullet responds when striking an object such as Plexiglas depends quite a bit on the bullet. Mass. Velocity. Bullet composition and jacketing on the bullet. Type of point: round nose, pointed nose, hollow point. A round nose solid lead bullet would react differently upon striking Plexiglas than a jacketed hollow point. A 240 grain .44 caliber bullet would react differently than a 40 grain .223 caliber bullet. To decide whether the bubbletop would or would not have deflected "that bullet" fired at "that angle" without performing an actual test is worthless speculation, IMHO... and since no testing was done [and why would they? JFK was already dead, so "woulda-coulda-shoulda" saves ZERO lives], no conclusions can be drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark Knight said: How a bullet responds when striking an object such as Plexiglas depends quite a bit on the bullet. Mass. Velocity. Bullet composition and jacketing on the bullet. Type of point: round nose, pointed nose, hollow point. A round nose solid lead bullet would react differently upon striking Plexiglas than a jacketed hollow point. A 240 grain .44 caliber bullet would react differently than a 40 grain .223 caliber bullet. To decide whether the bubbletop would or would not have deflected "that bullet" fired at "that angle" without performing an actual test is worthless speculation, IMHO... and since no testing was done [and why would they? JFK was already dead, so "woulda-coulda-shoulda" saves ZERO lives], no conclusions can be drawn. Don’t you think it’s fair to assume that if the bubble top had been up there would have been no attempt to kill JFK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: Don’t you think it’s fair to assume that if the bubble top had been up there would have been no attempt to kill JFK? Not with rifles while he was driving through Dealy Plaza. That’s my feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schwartz Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I recall listening to St. John Hunt on Coast to Coast. He said his father ( E Howard Hunt) told him that there was an assassination team waiting for JFK at the Dallas airport and that team had a plan to kill JFK as well- there seems to have been a great determination to have JFK murdered in Dallas that fateful day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Chuck Schwartz said: I recall listening to St. John Hunt on Coast to Coast. He said his father ( E Howard Hunt) told him that there was an assassination team waiting for JFK at the Dallas airport and that team had a plan to kill JFK as well- there seems to have been a great determination to have JFK murdered in Dallas that fateful day. The likelihood of detecting such a conspiracy, even if it was called-off is very high, IMO. It is even more likely to be detected, if cancelled because there is less fear, the persecuting and investigating apparatus is place, the cover-up apparatus is not in place. I am increasingly convinced that it had to be Dallas, that day. Not Chicago, Not Tampa, Miami or anywhere else, or at any other time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Roberdeau Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) Good Day.... A quick addendum with respect to the presidential limousine, that may also focus-in on a key time-constraint and future JFK public appearances/locations constraints that were also forced-onto the conspirators plan's, timetable's, assassin's, operational technique's, etc. By 11-22-63, it is my understanding (Pamela, please correct me if I am wrong) that concrete Secret Service plans to have JFK's limousine permanently protectively bullet-proofed had been underway for many months. (as had been done long before that for each of the TWO limousines that F.B.I. Director Hoover used) On 11-22-63 the limo was already scheduled to start to undergo that bullet-proofing updating process within one month after Dallas. Best Regards in Research, +++Don Donald Roberdeau United States Navy U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges clearly For your key considerations + independent determinations....Homepages Website: "Men of Courage": President Kennedy-elimination Evidence, Witnesses, Photographers, Outstanding Researchers Discoveries, Suspects, + Key Considerations.... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2009/08/1-men-of-courage-jfk-assassination_09.html the Dealey Plaza Detailed Map: Documented 11-22-63 Victims Precise Locations + Reactions, Evidence, Witnesses + Photographers locations, Suspected Bullet Trajectories, Outstanding Researchers Discoveries, + Important Information + Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... https://i.imgur.com/8vSS1dp.gif ( updated map, + new information ) Discovery: Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Head Snap: West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll .... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2011/01/discovery-close-jfk-assassination.html Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: While JFK was Still Hidden Under the "Magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://i.imgur.com/rfRH5jX.gif Visual Report: Reality Versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in-garbage-out.... http://i.imgur.com/r8Ga26x.gif T ogetherE veryoneA chievesM oreCurrent Terrorism Alerts for the United States: http://www.dhs.gov Edited May 28, 2018 by Don Roberdeau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 12 hours ago, Paul Brancato said: Don’t you think it’s fair to assume that if the bubble top had been up there would have been no attempt to kill JFK? Paul, I'd rather not assume anything. Would the bubbletop have distorted an assassins's view? Maybe, and maybe not. Certainly the potential for distortion exists in every bend in the Plexiglas. But trying to determine whether the use of the bubbletop might have aborted an assassination attempt is akin to attempting to nail Jell-O to the wall. (If the Jell-O has an excess of gelatin in the mix, making it the consistency of ballistic gelatin, then even nailing it to the wall MIGHT be possible.) We simply don't have sufficient information to make that assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 6:55 AM, Joseph McBride said: Bill Moyers testified under oath that he made the decision to remove the bubble top in Dallas since the rain had stopped. He was an advance man on the Texas trip. Theoretically, at least, it should have been the SS' decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 2:12 PM, Mervyn Hagger said: Hi Pam. I posed the question to discover what would have happened if the bubble top had not been removed. It seems that there was a possibility that it could have deflected the bullet. It would certainly have made a noise. Mervyn It would. The event might have been called off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Mark Knight said: How a bullet responds when striking an object such as Plexiglas depends quite a bit on the bullet. Mass. Velocity. Bullet composition and jacketing on the bullet. Type of point: round nose, pointed nose, hollow point. A round nose solid lead bullet would react differently upon striking Plexiglas than a jacketed hollow point. A 240 grain .44 caliber bullet would react differently than a 40 grain .223 caliber bullet. To decide whether the bubbletop would or would not have deflected "that bullet" fired at "that angle" without performing an actual test is worthless speculation, IMHO... and since no testing was done [and why would they? JFK was already dead, so "woulda-coulda-shoulda" saves ZERO lives], no conclusions can be drawn. Agree that this is pure speculation. However, having an open limo when the roof pieces were in the trunk of the car makes this a viable topic for discussion, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Don Roberdeau said: Good Day.... A quick addendum with respect to the presidential limousine, that may also focus-in on a key time-constraint and future JFK public appearances/locations constraints that were also forced-onto the conspirators plan's, timetable's, assassin's, operational technique's, etc. By 11-22-63, it is my understanding (Pamela, please correct me if I am wrong) that concrete Secret Service plans to have JFK's limousine permanently protectively bullet-proofed had been underway for many months. (as had been done long before that for each of the TWO limousines that F.B.I. Director Hoover used) On 11-22-63 the limo was already scheduled to start to undergo that bullet-proofing updating process within one month after Dallas. Best Regards in Research, +++Don Donald Roberdeau United States Navy U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges clearly For your key considerations + independent determinations....Homepages Website: "Men of Courage": President Kennedy-elimination Evidence, Witnesses, Photographers, Outstanding Researchers Discoveries, Suspects, + Key Considerations.... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2009/08/1-men-of-courage-jfk-assassination_09.html the Dealey Plaza Detailed Map: Documented 11-22-63 Victims Precise Locations + Reactions, Evidence, Witnesses + Photographers locations, Suspected Bullet Trajectories, Outstanding Researchers Discoveries, + Important Information + Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... https://i.imgur.com/8vSS1dp.gif ( updated map, + new information ) Discovery: Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Head Snap: West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll .... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2011/01/discovery-close-jfk-assassination.html Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: While JFK was Still Hidden Under the "Magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://i.imgur.com/rfRH5jX.gif Visual Report: Reality Versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in-garbage-out.... http://i.imgur.com/r8Ga26x.gif T ogetherE veryoneA chievesM oreCurrent Terrorism Alerts for the United States: http://www.dhs.gov Not to my knowledge. All involved scrambled after the assassination to do the gutting and rebuild of SS100X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Marshall Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 What did I learn about bullet performance while writing three nest selling books on bullet performance in the real world? That we cannot guarantee what any bullet will do when striking curved surfaces INCLUDING the human skull! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Evan Marshall said: What did I learn about bullet performance while writing three nest selling books on bullet performance in the real world? That we cannot guarantee what any bullet will do when striking curved surfaces INCLUDING the human skull! My point exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Evan Marshall said: What did I learn about bullet performance while writing three nest selling books on bullet performance in the real world? That we cannot guarantee what any bullet will do when striking curved surfaces INCLUDING the human skull! 4 hours ago, Pamela Brown said: It would. The event might have been called off. Thanks. I agree with both of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) Hello! President Kennedy used the bubbletop in approximately one-third of all his motorcades. Please see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5o0dAndNRY Please see: http://jfkbubbletop.blogspot.com/ See also chapter 3 of my first book Survivor's Guilt- many agents believed the top would deflect a bullet. Edited May 28, 2018 by Vince Palamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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