John Butler Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: Willis runs across the plaza and towards Elm St where Hughes captures him. Willis had to run 192.5ft to his location on Elm St and the limo had to travel 229.8ft from Willis' last photo. This is measured to z133(Station 2+99.0) since this is the first frame we see Willis in. Since the limo is just rounding the corner of the TSBD, Willis is the larger figure viewed first (red box) than the latter (red box) seen down the stairs. imo The time equals 17.84 seconds discounting any delay(missing frames) created by the Towner and Z133 splice. 192.5ft/17.84 sec = 7.34mph 229.8/17.84sec = 8.76 mph We have another stunning piece of artwork from Davidson that doesn't make sense. and, Or, maybe it is the same guy floating around in the air supposedly under the trees in another wonderful Davidson gif. OBTW, thanks for showing Phil the Flat-headed See Through Man again. He doesn't get enough coverage. Edited June 2, 2019 by John Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Robin Unger Super Member Members 3,783 posts Gender:Male Location:Australia Report post Posted 11 hours ago Mannequin row does not extend down to the Stemmons sign ? it only extends down to the woman wearing the blue scarf. ( see Bronson slide ) Quote The photo editors did think that. They made sure it was seen in several films/photos. Here's Betzner! That is fairly lame Robin. You are making my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) Sorry Robin, I only pretended this was "good work" because I knew it would be useful later on as reference. It is good work in a way if you like photo editing. Really! Where is Linda Willis, the "mysterious camera woman" as you call her. She is not shown running in front of Rosemary. How in the world could you put phony looking images of the Mayor's Car and the Queen Mary in the Dorman film at that location. Elsie Dorman said she quit filming as the presidential limousine was about to turn onto Elm. The Mayor's Car wasn't released to travel down Elm until the presidential part was about to leave Dealey Plaza. The Mayor's Car with Mrs. Cabell is the heart of timing of Weigman and Couch / Darnell in the Prayer Man debate. Her vehicle was stopped at the intersection just after the shooting and would not be anywhere nearby when Elsie was filming. The Mayor's Car was further up Houston when Elsie was filming. Weigman does show the Mayor's Car in that location, but that is long after the Dorman film. If you look at the Dorman Mosaic you will see that the Mayor's Car is still on Main Street when the presidential limousine is traveling down Houston. It will be a while before it gets to Elm. BTW, there is new and good news in the Prayer Man debate. See Bart Kamp. People should pay more attention to Bart Kamp. Edited June 2, 2019 by John Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, John Butler said: We have another stunning piece of artwork from Davidson that doesn't make sense. and, Or, maybe it is the same guy floating around in the air supposedly under the trees in another wonderful Davidson gif. OBTW, thanks for showing Phil the Flat-headed See Through Man again. He doesn't get enough coverage. No, Phil Willis had a bald spot. Just like we see in Martin. You know, right before the limo appears. As for your floating guy, well, perspective is not in your vocabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 The number of people on the SW corner of Elm and Houston changes from the Elsie Dorman film to the Zapruder film. Here is the method I used to count people. It will be the same for the Elsie Dorman film. The Elsie Dorman film shows more than twice as many people there. Over 20 as vs. 10 in the Zapruder film. This mosaic is not entirely accurate. If you count frame by frame you will come up with about 26 people. Particularly if you count the group of women see in the next photo: The fifth woman in this barely seen may be Linda Willis the "mysterious camera woman". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) Duplicate post Edited June 2, 2019 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Robin Unger said: Quote: Really! Where is Linda Willis, the "mysterious camera woman" as you call her. She is not shown running in front of Rosemary. Woman in blue running with Rosemary Willis , she appears to be holding a camera, this was confirmed by Gary Mack. Edited June 2, 2019 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) John You appear to have a problem with "perspective" regarding the assassination photo's, and this is causing you to make incorrect assumptions regarding the various assassination photo's and films. The woman with the blue scarf was no where near the Stemmons sign. Edited June 2, 2019 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: No, Phil Willis had a bald spot. Just like we see in Martin. You know, right before the limo appears. As for your floating guy, well, perspective is not in your vocabulary. Chris I am not so sure that is Phil Willis in Muchmore. I always thought this guy was wearing a cap on his head. Edited June 2, 2019 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Willis family standing next to the white column as seen in the Bronson film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Phil Willis in Muchmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Hughes Film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Z216 Re-Enactment Rosemary Willis standing location marked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 hours ago, John Butler said: Robin Unger Super Member Members 3,783 posts Gender:Male Location:Australia Report post Posted 11 hours ago Mannequin row does not extend down to the Stemmons sign ? it only extends down to the woman wearing the blue scarf. ( see Bronson slide ) Quote The photo editors did think that. They made sure it was seen in several films/photos. Here's Betzner! That is fairly lame Robin. You are making my point. Lesson in perspective: actual standing location of the woman with the blue scarf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 You guys are wasting your time arguing with Butler. He doesn't understand perspective or the way shadows work. Don't argue, just point out his many mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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