A Lie Too Big To Fail by Lisa Pease

33 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

From CIA work, two months before the RFK assassination?  I'd guess Pena also knew Maheu.

Technically he worked for the AID

39 minutes ago, Stephanie Goldberg said:

Off topic reply - my Kindle app seems to be working just fine on phone & laptop.  

Thanks I got it working

"Thane Eugene Cesar: RFK Jr. Calls Him Possible Assassin": 

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/thane-eugene-cesar-rfk/?fbclid=IwAR3ZvoRrXlEFySd-AP_NLyv13Zl1wujOkvRqKB6IAiSJyCZuUGcnAsOzVWw

From RFK Jr's Instagram:
Thane Eugene Cesar died today in the Philippines. Compelling evidence suggests that Cesar murdered my father. On June 5, 1968, Cesar, an employee in a classified section of Lockheed’s Burbank facility, was moonlighting as a security guard at the Ambassador Hotel. He had landed the job about one week earlier. Cesar waited in the pantry as my father spoke in the ballroom, then grabbed my father by the elbow and guided him toward Sirhan. With 77 people in the pantry, every eyewitness said Sirhan was always in front on my father at a 3-6 feet distance. Sirhan fired two shots toward my father before he was tackled. From under the dog pile, Sirhan emptied his 8 chamber revolver firing 6 more shots in the opposite direction 5 of them striking bystander and one going wild . By his own account, Cesar was directly behind my dad holding his right elbow with his own gun drawn when my dad fell backwards on top of him. Cesar repeatedly changed his story about exactly when he drew his weapon. According to the Coroner, Dr. Thomas Noguchi, all 4 shots that struck my father were “contact” shots fired from behind my dad with the barrel touching or nearly touching his body. Cesar sold his .22 to a co-worker weeks after the assassination warning him that it had been used in a crime. Cesar lied to police claiming that he'd disposed of the gun months before the assassination. Cesar was a bigot who hated the Kennedys for their advocacy of Civil Rights for blacks. I had plans to meet Thane Eugene Cesar in the Philippines last June until he demanded a payment of $25,000 through his agent Dan Moldea. Ironically, Moldea penned a meticulous and compelling indictment of Cesar in a 1995 book and then suddenly exculpated him by fiat in a bizarre and nonsensical final chapter. Police have never seriously investigated Cesar's role in my father’s killing.

More news here on both Cesar and Sirhan and a recent photo of Cesar.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/thane-eugene-cesar-rfk/?fbclid=IwAR3PoxbrqPXejomzCdNDrxiyAoHnDc6DxC3-ShDEjHC01kEjrCdnTjy6-zE

25 minutes ago, Rob Couteau said:

"Thane Eugene Cesar: RFK Jr. Calls Him Possible Assassin": 

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/thane-eugene-cesar-rfk/?fbclid=IwAR3ZvoRrXlEFySd-AP_NLyv13Zl1wujOkvRqKB6IAiSJyCZuUGcnAsOzVWw

From RFK Jr's Instagram:
Thane Eugene Cesar died today in the Philippines. Compelling evidence suggests that Cesar murdered my father. On June 5, 1968, Cesar, an employee in a classified section of Lockheed’s Burbank facility, was moonlighting as a security guard at the Ambassador Hotel. He had landed the job about one week earlier. Cesar waited in the pantry as my father spoke in the ballroom, then grabbed my father by the elbow and guided him toward Sirhan. With 77 people in the pantry, every eyewitness said Sirhan was always in front on my father at a 3-6 feet distance. Sirhan fired two shots toward my father before he was tackled. From under the dog pile, Sirhan emptied his 8 chamber revolver firing 6 more shots in the opposite direction 5 of them striking bystander and one going wild . By his own account, Cesar was directly behind my dad holding his right elbow with his own gun drawn when my dad fell backwards on top of him. Cesar repeatedly changed his story about exactly when he drew his weapon. According to the Coroner, Dr. Thomas Noguchi, all 4 shots that struck my father were “contact” shots fired from behind my dad with the barrel touching or nearly touching his body. Cesar sold his .22 to a co-worker weeks after the assassination warning him that it had been used in a crime. Cesar lied to police claiming that he'd disposed of the gun months before the assassination. Cesar was a bigot who hated the Kennedys for their advocacy of Civil Rights for blacks. I had plans to meet Thane Eugene Cesar in the Philippines last June until he demanded a payment of $25,000 through his agent Dan Moldea. Ironically, Moldea penned a meticulous and compelling indictment of Cesar in a 1995 book and then suddenly exculpated him by fiat in a bizarre and nonsensical final chapter. Police have never seriously investigated Cesar's role in my father’s killing.

 

Thank You Rob, for the clarification of RFK JR's statement.  It's important regarding History imho. 

14 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

It's important regarding History imho. 

The search for the truth is the only real weapon we have.

Also from the Heavy.com article: 

6 hours ago, Rob Couteau said:

The search for the truth is the only real weapon we have.

Keep posting Rob, please.  You've already done much deeper work than any of my post's with your Gladio article at K&K.  Your approaching the level of DJ on your first one.  We need all  of your help here.

Ron, I very much appreciate all your posts as well. Someone on my Facebook just posted this link; it seems this story on Cesar is getting out there and has some legs:

"Robert F Kennedy's Son Claims 'Compelling Evidence' Father Assassinated by CIA Operative":

https://sputniknews.com/military/201909131076797366-robert-f-kennedys-son-claims-compelling-evidence-father-assassinated-by-cia-operative/?fbclid=IwAR1p2xXogvXulsoGGSPv27qsqf0YAvpD8Tl2Fb81LB56IEgCexWi5EXY0aU

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On 9/13/2019 at 1:41 AM, Rob Couteau said:

"Thane Eugene Cesar: RFK Jr. Calls Him Possible Assassin": 

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/thane-eugene-cesar-rfk/?fbclid=IwAR3ZvoRrXlEFySd-AP_NLyv13Zl1wujOkvRqKB6IAiSJyCZuUGcnAsOzVWw

From RFK Jr's Instagram:
Thane Eugene Cesar died today in the Philippines. Compelling evidence suggests that Cesar murdered my father. On June 5, 1968, Cesar, an employee in a classified section of Lockheed’s Burbank facility, was moonlighting as a security guard at the Ambassador Hotel. He had landed the job about one week earlier. Cesar waited in the pantry as my father spoke in the ballroom, then grabbed my father by the elbow and guided him toward Sirhan. With 77 people in the pantry, every eyewitness said Sirhan was always in front on my father at a 3-6 feet distance. Sirhan fired two shots toward my father before he was tackled. From under the dog pile, Sirhan emptied his 8 chamber revolver firing 6 more shots in the opposite direction 5 of them striking bystander and one going wild . By his own account, Cesar was directly behind my dad holding his right elbow with his own gun drawn when my dad fell backwards on top of him. Cesar repeatedly changed his story about exactly when he drew his weapon. According to the Coroner, Dr. Thomas Noguchi, all 4 shots that struck my father were “contact” shots fired from behind my dad with the barrel touching or nearly touching his body. Cesar sold his .22 to a co-worker weeks after the assassination warning him that it had been used in a crime. Cesar lied to police claiming that he'd disposed of the gun months before the assassination. Cesar was a bigot who hated the Kennedys for their advocacy of Civil Rights for blacks. 

 

Not to get into RFKJR's politics in any way.  But to note Ceasar reportedly died 9/13/19, and to note Dan Moldea was his agent, they requesting $25,000 for a meeting/interview with him. 

Bumping this thread as I couldn't find it using the forum search feature.  I wanted to review it regarding one aspect.  I looked on-line for RFK assassination A Lie Too Big to Fail.  It brought up another one-page forum thread on it which had a link to this one.  I realize per current forum procedure it should be moved to the RFK topics area and I intend to do so.  As it originated in the JFK Forum pages.  As the last post in it was from Bart Kamp (deleted when he left, darn it Bart!) was in November 2019 I thought newer members since then have probably never seen it.  I thought it was pretty interesting and thought others might find it so.  So, I just bumped it and thought I'd leave it here 2-3 days for exposure before it goes to the RFK topics, where it will be easier to find in the future.

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

Bumping this thread as I couldn't find it using the forum search feature.  I wanted to review it regarding one aspect.  I looked on-line for RFK assassination A Lie Too Big to Fail.  It brought up another one-page forum thread on it which had a link to this one.  I realize per current forum procedure it should be moved to the RFK topics area and I intend to do so.  As it originated in the JFK Forum pages.  As the last post in it was from Bart Kamp (deleted when he left, darn it Bart!) was in November 2019 I thought newer members since then have probably never seen it.  I thought it was pretty interesting and thought others might find it so.  So, I just bumped it and thought I'd leave it here 2-3 days for exposure before it goes to the RFK topics, where it will be easier to find in the future.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Robert Kennedy Assassination section? 

Some EF-JFKA participants must be squealing....

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Bumping this thread as I couldn't find it using the forum search feature.  I wanted to review it regarding one aspect.  I looked on-line for RFK assassination A Lie Too Big to Fail.  It brought up another one-page forum thread on it which had a link to this one.  I realize per current forum procedure it should be moved to the RFK topics area and I intend to do so.  As it originated in the JFK Forum pages.  As the last post in it was from Bart Kamp (deleted when he left, darn it Bart!) was in November 2019 I thought newer members since then have probably never seen it.  I thought it was pretty interesting and thought others might find it so.  So, I just bumped it and thought I'd leave it here 2-3 days for exposure before it goes to the RFK topics, where it will be easier to find in the future.

Re-posting these original, archival EF threads can be useful, IMO, especially for forum members who post redundant, duplicate threads without even realizing that many of these subjects have already been discussed.

It's the reason I re-posted the old George Estabrooks thread about Manchurian Candidate programming and Sirhan's hypnosis history.

On 6/13/2024 at 6:38 PM, Benjamin Cole said:

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Robert Kennedy Assassination section? 

Some EF-JFKA participants must be squealing....

Did you read my post?  The thread originated in the JFK Assassination Debate part of the forum in December 2018 when there was no RFK Topic section.  It existed there a year before it died.  I bumped it because I want to review it regarding a specific point after having difficulty finding it, and, to expose it to newer members who likely have not ever seen it as I believe it's an interesting and informative thread.  As Stated Above, I intend to move it to the RFK Topic section in 2-3 days where it will be easier to find.  It's been where it's at for over five years.  I don't think 2-3 more days will hurt anything.  Maybe someone new to the forum will find it interesting and informative.  As I found it and only a moderator can move it Mark may do so sooner.