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On the right we learn that he entered without 5 teeth and did not have extractions while in the Marines....

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Then we'll have to agree to disagree... Not knowing the exact reason for finally using the name LEE OSWALD on the Oct 1 call beyond my speculating that it served to silence the FBI as Oswald was doing their work at the time... HQ still responded with the HENRY 201 file and the accepted wrong description... Simpich writes that the CIA effectively created 2 files on Oswald - the real one and the one making him look like Webster.... It is this Webster description that goes to Mexico City... with some truths about the real Oswald. I realize your conclusion carries with it the assumption that Phillips ran Oswald... yet if I'm right, the FBI ran Oswald into cross paths with Phillips' Cuban counterintelligence activities - purposefully? I'm not sure. The evidence getting him there and back is so incredibly poor and revealing you can almost see the FBI's CYA inaction... I'd go as far as to say we're probably better off assuming everything the CIA offered us regarding Mexico City is a scam What Angelton and Egerter; Phillips and Goodpasture; and Bill Harvey's group was doing in and around the Cuban Consulate at the time was monumental... Duran was in play, Azcue as well... the reading of STATE SECRET is very important simply from a context POV... again, the theories and conclusions are very interesting and I'd leave it up to you to decide... we forget sometimes that these other little countries are watching us like hawks and are just as willing to reduce our influence to gain theirs... Just how I see it... cheers DJ

this look eerily familiar... lol "If the CIA did with Oswald in MC what the WC said Oswald did in MC and wanted to do" What the Warren Commission Report said about ANYTHING cannot be accepted on its face. If innocent little Oswald did not go to Mexico related to the assassination - but just went for travel arrangements, why is it so hard to find evidence of the trip and what he did while there...? The CIA did not need to have anyone impersonate Oswald. He was under the control of Phillips who was in MC and who could have easily ordered Oswald to MC to do what was necessary to link Russia to the assassination. Phillips had done his homework. According to Antonio Veciana, Phillips had asked him (Veciana) if a visa could be obtained fairly quickly in MC for a trip to Cuba. Veciana told Phillips it would take some time. Maybe this is why Oswald's trip to MC was called off. I'm not sure we're connecting on this George... the CIA did not order and would not order Oswald to go anywhere... beyond the information he could provide about the inside of Russia, the CIA would have little interest in him other than what he seemed to be doing for the FBI. Do we agree that our Oswald traveled to Dallas, met with Odio and her sister with 2 Hispanic men and winds up at the YMCA in Dallas on the night of the 3rd. The evidence related to the last two legs of the trip are even worse than the beginning of the trip... ======================= On to Mexico City.... The Cuban Consulate in Mexico City was staffed by Cuban, Mexican and CIA intelligence assets... all with different agendas and capabilities. The CIA used the Mexican DFS to run these tap locations... The DFS had their own reasons for intel on Cuba and the US as well as the Russians. ALL, and I do mean ALL the evidence/info prior to 11/22 related to his being down there comes from the CIA. Yet as we know, the CIA played some games with what was told to who, when. The association and reinforcement of "KOSTIKOV" comes first from the man in the Soviet Consulate and is reinforced by Win Scott and then Ambassador Mann... it is then DROPPED from the cables to STATE, FBI & NAVY... The 10/10 reply from HQ to MX begins with HENRY's 201 file and all the data related to Oswald... Question becomes was this the information available for Oswald or was this a 2nd version of Oswald matching the description of another deserter... Webster. 5'10" 165lbs, Blue eyes Even in Win Scott's letter to Mann the CIA does not overtly equate KOSTIKOV with Dept 13. I suggest reading STATE SECRET. Despite the theory and conclusions which may or may not agree with you, the information Bill provides on the SPY-CRAFT going on at this time is amazing. At the heart of it, we truly do not know who was behind the impersonated voices and of Oswald the person. Also from Bill's work the thought that CASTRO used his Mexico City assets to spy on both the Mexicans and Americans... no one trusted anyone. Read again about Alvarado.... his story exemplifies what the CIA does to those they control... Oswald may have been maneuvered, but imo was an FBI asset first and foremost

lol... of course, I wrote/illustrated it with some source help from Armstrong. The entire article is linked to in a previous post of mine... He bought the money order AT THE MAIN DALLAS POST OFFICE... why would he need to place it in a mailbox in a different section Here is the G-eneral P-ost O-ffice stamp on the Money Order next to the zone 12 stamp

https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsRifle.pdf https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsRiflePart1.pdf https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsPistol.pdf The articles behind the posts.... According to the evidence, the Money Order was found 4 separate times on Saturday.... in 4 different places. and the pistol wasn't the one they took from Oswald either.... Westbrook helped with that... Hope you enjoy them.. DJ

You mean upon reviewing this strong evidence? Rolando BARRIOS – an employee who was dismissed from the travel agency by manager Teresa Schaeffer Bequerisse – is the source for both the Del Norte ticket order #14618 and the Greyhound exchange order #43599. CE2121 p64-72 WCD 1084 p106-108 In Summary: · Alejandro SAUCEDO, manager Flecha Rojas bus terminal Mexico City, tells us that “soon after the assassination” the Flecha Rojas evidence was taken by “unidentified investigators” of the Mexican Government. He felt the name LEE HARVEY OSWALD did not appear thereon. · SAUCEDO claims these men were only interested in the info related to bus #516 on Sept 26th. · These men tell SAUCEDO that THEY WERE JUST AT FRONTERA where they located the PASSENGER list for Oswald’s departure from Mexico City.* · Mr. SAUCEDO, as told by the same informant: T-12, added on April 2nd that the two men who took the evidence were Policia Federal Judicial (PJF) and that they already had Flecha Rojas duplicate from Nuevo Laredo. On March 24th, a week or so earlier, the DFS Assistant Director BARRIOS (different man) informs us that the DFS did NOT conduct an investigation with regards to Oswald’s travel. *We come to find only a few pages prior in this same report that the FRONTERA evidence was “corrected” by Arturo Bosch of the Mexican Presidential Staff. WCD 1084 p103

Hey there Doug... I'm sorry if the reply came off as an assumption of your endorsement... I've read your posts and followed the links long enough to know that. Kenney was surgeon general of the Navy.... did he put out a report we've not seen but know of? I can't find one... I typed "Surgeon General report JFK autopsy 1963" into Google and got the link you posted above as the 1st hit... This terrible report is everywhere.... and completely populates the search results page.... ugh

Glenn: Mr. EISENBERG - The bullet is in the same condition as it was when you received it? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; except for the marking of my initials and the other examiners. There is a discoloration at the nose caused apparently by mounting this bullet in some material which stained it, which was not present when received, and one more thing on the nose is a small dent or scraped area. At this area the spectographic examiner removed a small quantity of metal for analysis. Mr. EISENBERG - Did you prepare the bullet in any way for examination? That is, did you clean it or in any way alter it? Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it was not necessary. The bullet was clean and it was not necessary to change it in any way. Mr. EISENBERG - There was no blood or similar material on the bullet when you received it? Mr. FRAZIER - Not any which would interfere with the examination, no, sir. Now there may have been slight traces which could have been removed just ,in ordinary handling, but it wasn't necessary to actually clean blood or tissue off of the bullet. The match was only the grooves of 399 matching the barrel of the MC.... At some point the rifle was fired into a substance like cotton or water... Since it appears to me that the DAY rifle out from the TSBD is not CE139, who knows when the switches were made? (Side note on rifles: Over the Labor Day weekend while Oswald and family are in New Orleans with the Murrets (Lee’s mother’s sister and husband), two men arrived at the door of one Robert McKeown, a self confessed arms dealer who worked in similar circles as Jack Ruby, had supplied arms for Castro’s cause and was a close friend of Castro himself. McKeown was on probation at the time. Lee Oswald announces to McKeown that he has finally found him and would like to buy 4 rifles for $10,000. Lee Oswald was traveling with a man named Hernandez. [H&L]) This compares the rifle in evidence with the huge photo of DAY and the rifle... we don't even see faint outlines of the markings on the TSBD rifle.... There was well more than 1 C2766 and if we remember, Riva's job was to grind off the serial numbers... What amazes me is despite Frazier being the ballistics expert you'd think the FBI would be interested in any debris on that bullet to match fibers, match skin or blood... There was nothing on the bullet cause the bullet was never in Dallas.... Chief Rowley produces it and gives it to Elmer Todd... who according to the evidence gives it to Frazier over an hour after Frazier had already received it... CE399 is part of the Secret Services role... dropping protection, taking the body, arranging the morgue, Ambulance wild chases... Kellerman front and center. We also have that FBI memo mentioning a bullet behind JFK's ear in addition to CE399... (see below)...

Keep up Tracy... you're two pages behind the Bernie Lovefest.... He gives, he takes.... I give - I take... chill out and stop whining already... And you both are still lost with regards to a simple question... Show us one other person in history standing 5'8" with a 13" head.... or at least try to comprehend that the image you're looking at is not authentic... No worries though... expectations for the two of you understanding anything related to H&L continues to plummet... so much energy spent chasing your tail... when maybe you could do an eBay clearance sale and help Bernie get a copy of the book He appears to need one so very bad....

ok... one more time Bernie, what's wrong with this boy having a 13" head? Have you ANY clue?

you selling again Bernie? thought you gave that up - oh you musicians... and you still can't afford the $65?

hang on a moe with that conclusion George... lol Let's go for a second with my assumption/conclusion that Oswald was NOT there.... Duran and Azcue meet someone else. Whether their flip-flop is part of some Cuban intel plan... IDK. Duran cannot tell us where she sends Oswald to get Photos for the visa application despite her doing so with such ease and how quickly Oswald supposedly returns. CORNWELL - So, from all the circumstances, did it appear to your that he just went somewhere locally and had the pictures made? TIRADO - Yeah. I think that I already explained (to) him where he could take the photographs. CORNWELL - You told him some locations in town where he could go? Were there some right in the neighborhood of the Consulate there? TIRADO - That I don't remember. This alone is absurd on its face. She works at the consulate and verbally recommends a couple, 3 places for photos for him to get... but can't remember? If I remember correctly the FBI checked these as well with negative result. If she names a place and they don't have the requisite back-up ready, she's caught. This answer is a perfect WCR-ism. So... "the" Oswald is not there but someone is playing the part... and doesn't really look all that much like Oswald: Mr. CORNWELL. Directing your attention to the period of time immediately after the assassination, the day of the assassination or the day after the assassination, did you during that period of time have an occasion to see pictures of the alleged assassin in the newspapers or to observe on television the man identified at that time as Lee Harvey Oswald? Senor AZCUE. Yes, sir, not so close to the date, not in the first few days, not immediately thereafter. Some time I calculate approximately-and I say this because I am not a great movie fan, but it was in mid-December approximately--I saw at that time the film in which Ruby appears assassinating the Oswald who was there, and I was not able to identify him and only 2 months had gone by since I had seen the Oswald who appeared at the consulate. And I had a clear mental picture because we had had an unpleasant discussion and he had not been very pleasant to me and I did not recognize when I first saw him. I did not recognize Oswald. The man who went to the consulate was a man over 30 years of age and very thin, very thin faced. And the individual I saw in the movie was a young Man, considerably younger, and a fuller face. In this case George, the last thing the CIA would do is show a photo of this person... it's not Oswald. Mystery Man is described as "the only american looking person" to be caught on these films - and even his photo is backdated from Oct 2nd and 4th to the 1st... They did not need to PROVE Oswald was there... Phillips has Alvarado's story ready to go yet he blows it by insisting on an earlier date in September... He does not say his name when on the line with the Soviet Attache, only when he calls the consulate number on Oct 1 does he finally say LEE OSWALD. I have to disagree with you here.... the idea was to connect Oswald to Cuba to Castro. While war with Cuba might have meant war with Russia, Cuba was the problem 50 miles from Florida. Add to this the pro/anti Castro sheep-dip Oswald had been thru that summer.... I think if we ever got more documentation on Vallee and the Tampa patsy we'd see concurrent actions going on. VALLEE did not go to Mexico City, that we know, yet if Oswald's trip could be "created" couldn't VALLEE's trip also be created? You are supposing that by Sept 27 the assassination plan in Dallas had been finalized... that it would be Oswald who had yet to even take a job in Dallas.... hmmmm Since Egerter felt pretty confident sending down the "Henry" Oswald marked card info - I think that like a lawyer you don't ask anything you don't already have the answer to.... Egerter had to know that the OSWALD she was sending info on was a construct... and also knew she wouldn't run into trouble for it was her shop and Angelton who initiated the calls to begin with... It's 1963... you can't claim the man was 35 and then in the next paragraph claim he is LEE HENRY born in 1938. The mystery man photo may have simply been to see where the info goes and who may associate HENRY to it... IDK. ------------------------ What it most effectively did was make "conspiracy" with Castro not only possible but plausible. LBJ traced it right back to Russia and nuclear war... was he "in the know" for this plan... I doubt it very highly. It also forced the FBI to CYA over Odio... Hoover knew it well before he wrote that line about CIA's double dealing with Oswald in Mexico on a January memo... .... Osborne/Bowen may have been an asset... like GAUDET getting the needed paperwork for the visa... His story and the story of everyone else there that day do not jive at all.... If anything, he adds confusion and a dark background that COULD be attached to our little story, but not necessarily. The world of 1963 was very, very cryptic and filled with intel volunteers.... scratch the surface of 100 people and you're bound to find a bunch of intel assets... even more so in New Orleans, Dallas, Miami, Montreal and Mexico City... where our little adventure takes place... Not all were connected to Oswald, just those Oswald seemed to hang out with... lol

...you don't pull on Superman's cape; you don't spit into the wind. You don't pull the mask off the ole long ranger and you don't mess around with Jim...

The report not mentioned you should see about POTITO... How would he know what the Surgeon General's report says? and really, the rest of the article is copy/paste Doug Horne... This POTITO guy has ZERO CREDIBILITY - Curious, why did you post this link Doug?

Another fairly big post, but with the docs needed to support it... While Bill Simpich may be correct about what was going on down there... I see the FBI knowing early on it was not Oswald, knowing he was in Dallas at Odio's, and knowing the CIA was up to something. The Alvarado story does not surface until after the 22nd (which was imo the Phase 1 needed story and would have remained if not for the LONE NUT. Alvarado as Phillips "ace in the hole conspiracy story teller" simply had to disappear. "they could come up with no evidence that Oswald was in Mexico City." I know you're referring to the CIA here but it was the FBI who actively looked for signs of Oswald all thru Nov.... The CIA handled ALVARADO and DURAN both thru Echevarria ... and claimed since they did not want to reveal sources and methods they'd only use info from their statements. I don't see where Echeverria was actively creating the documents or even involved in the "travel" portion of the charade..... that was up to the FBI who repeatedly got it wrong and simply changed directions and kept going. If Oswald was doing what most suspect - traveling to Odio and handing around Dallas during that period... the FBI would be aware of this when the 10/10 cables arrive and surely by the time HOSTY brings it to HOOVER's attention on the 18th. The 18th is also the day which marks one of the bookends for the FBI's(PECK) search for signs of Oswald. As I see it the FBI knew the very second they got this that Oswald was not in Mexico. At least not based on what the FBI was doing. And this remains the only reason HOOVER backed the CIA story... Oswald was working for him at the time - Can you think of any other reason HOOVER backs the CIA here? The CIA created all the evidence they would need to leave the lasting impression of Oswald in MX... the FBI reinforced and corroborated the lie. Why did the FBI enter the Mexican inquiry so late, actually February? Anderson had no real answer.( He could not tell the truth, that is they had to wait for the cover up to be installed.) This confuses me Jim cause as I saw it, it was the FBI and assets at Gobernacion who "installed" the cover-up. HARVEY CASH has the FM-11 info typed on cards on the 22nd. The FBI via CHAPMAN via HARVEY CASH, American Consul Nuevo Laredo had gotten the "manufactured evidence" from their Gobernacion asset... All thru Nov and Dec they are following up on MEX on their own. By Nov 29th the amount of info the FBI has reported on the MX trip is amazing. CASH also lied in his reports stating that the evidence did NOT state his mode of transportation... CASH had the Assistant Chief of Mexican Immigration, ARNOLDO TIJERINA, type these up... iow make copies. If you go back into the Mexico work looking for CHAPMAN... I believe you will find HE is the one stringing it along with HARVEY CASH so their Gobernacion asset can compile the "correct" evidence. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=61172#relPageId=10&tab=page is the link to the FBI report where they also add what the CIA tells them they did.... Here's a report via Belmont from Shanklin stating they saw the photos and hear the tape... it's not Oswald All they needed was that cable from 10/10 to NAVY, STATE and FBI. And then the Win Scott memo via Jeff Woosley of I&NS... by the 22nd of October the DIRECTOR had received numerous memos via the CIA trail claiming that Oswald was in Mexico City. CB Peck starts to gather intel on Nov 4th and continues up thru the 23rd... FBI basically states that the only thing suggesting Oswald was in Mexico City - "SECRET communication subject in contact Soviet Embassy" Peck tried again on the 23rd....

This was his attempt at irony. I'm kinda hoping for the audience's sake that he preforms better than he posts.... And yeah, it was to Michael... maybe between them they could do a lemonade stand for a few months and save up to buy 1 copy and share...

Disagree here though George... As I see it, Phillips/Scott ran the "incriminate Oswald" portion of the plan. Alvarado is a Phillips asset. Duran could be compromised by the DFS/CIA into confirming something to relieve the CIA of having to divulge secrets of the LI- tapping operations. When Alvarado was discredited and sent back to Nicaragua all they had was the word of DURAN, AZCUE, photos, and the wire tap transcripts.... and the tapes. If it was run out of Angleton's with Egerter and Roman and others actively trying to uncover a mole (or any such operation involving Oswald only on the periphery) the idea was to link the name to the concept... Even when it became obvious that it was not Oswald who the CIA captured in film and tape, Hoover simply adds another person "down there in Mexico" then to admit what his own agents had been telling him all thru Nov - there was nothing indicating Oswald was actually in Mexico. Even his super secret asset at Gobernacion - the man who would ultimately hand over every piece of Mexico generated evidence for this trip - shows no info on LHO in MX. As Simpich mentions, the Mexicans and Cubans also ran their own intelligence groups and had their own "mole hunt/plant" agendas. While the CIA had operational interest from a military standpoint in Oswald... and he may have been used by the CIA... I see him more associated with the pro/anti-commie/Cuba FBI groups where many of the members are already FBI informants. FPCC plays a large part in sheep-dipping Oswald. From what I've read it appears FPCC was run more by the FBI than by the FPCC non-FBI members.

No need to leave George - your discussion skills and tapping into new ideas and directions is very encouraging... you remain one of the enjoyments of posting here... In all fairness I am rereading State Secret to refresh my memory about the true atmosphere of COLD WAR paranoia that gripped the early 60's. It is reasonable to conclude that the different factions CIA/FBI/DFS/Cuban Intel/KGB, etc... were not only watching each other but trying to "turn" each other's assets. It gives deeper meaning to why HQ sent the cables they did starting on the 8th of Oct. I think that Osborne/Bowen was on "A" bus just not the Del Norte arriving in Mex City Friday morning. 2nd paragraph page 44.... Bus ticket stubs from Flecha Rojas.... refer back to the 12/7 report from prev post above "FNU BOWEN, A COMPANION OF BOWEN" 2nd full paragraph page 46 below states that this man took Flecha Rojas (Red Arrow) from N.Laredo to Monterrey Flecha Rojas leaves Monterrey at 3:30pm while the N.Laredo to Monterrey leaves at 2pm... it's over 3 hours to Monterrey Flecha Rojas baggage manifest states there were 18 people on the bus... yet this includes a line under BOWEN's name, just like McFarland indicating someone traveled with BOWEN. One good possibility is that THIS PERSON with BOWEN was morphed into Oswald for the story. We will see this again on the return trip with VOORHEES and other witnesses who either worked for the bus lines or for the government of Mexico... they too falsely put Oswald on these buses. Jim... I'd have to ask you - do you know why Lopez's report agreed with the WCR about this travel evidence? was that a condition of his being allowed to focus on Mexico city? From Ch 5: Another group of men boarded the bus in San Luis Potosi (among a group of 10 people) which the FBI claims is the same bus that our traveling Oswald took at 8:30am from Mexico City. It is 580 miles from Mexico City thru Potosi to Monterrey. It is 260 miles from Mexico City to San Luis Potosi and at 40mph we have a 6-7 hour trip meaning that bus #332 would arrive in Potosi between 2:30 & 3:30pm. (Right on time for Voorhees to leave for Monterrey at 2:40pm) This group, in WCD 1219 p1-4(b) WCD 1219 p1(b) claims their bus left Potosi at 11am. It is not possible for an 8:30am bus from Mexico City to get to Potosi in time to leave at 11am. These men were not on bus #332 that left Mexico at 8:30am.

Hey there Sandy... so little yappy dog attempts to bite.... $65 is a house mortgage for you Bernie? Gigs not paying what they used to I guess Really Bernie... you're going to whine over $65? Then again you'll cry and whine about most anything... poor you... never heard of a library? The book was never intended for people like you Bernie.... in fact most books aren't. No doubt muddling thru a book with words and no pictures is 3 steps above your pay grade... and you aint never gonna learn what you don't wanna know... So why spend so much of that precious time you have on this if you are so sure it's not true? (RHETORICAL QUESTION) A: Cause you have nothing to offer and need to stand on the shoulders of your betters just to be heard. When do you ever come here and ADD to the discussion instead of poke it with a stick for a few weeks? (RHETORICAL QUESTION) (hint: you don't) WALTON... if you think a 13" head on a 5'8" 18 year old is normal... your head remains so firmly planted in the ground it's comical. Amazing how you are so insecure you can't even trust your own eyes if it somehow conflicts with your pre-conceived and wholly unsupported ideas. We're pretty sure what it was you "worked on" last night, all by your little lonesome self... Geez, between you and Tracy you can't add or measure.... and we're suppose to look to you for evidence backed rebuttal... When do you ever come here and ADD to the discussion instead of poke it with a stick for a few weeks? (RHETORICAL QUESTION) (hint: you don't)

Thanks Paul... that's a real nice synopsis of my Chapter 2 work on the evidence of Oswald's Mexico trip.... To add a little strength to the conclusion... there is a passenger manifest for Flecha Rojas leaving Monterrey at 3:30 (15:30) on which the FBI placed Oswald, Bowen, McFarland and the 2 Aussie girls. What's important here is the departure time on 9/26... 3:30pm. The Flecha Rojas bus leaves Nuevo Laredo at 2pm. (all this is shown in my last post) yet it's over 3 hours to Monterrey. Furthermore, the Aussies repeatedly claim they bought Del Norte bus tickets.... The Del Norte bus leaves at 7:30. Mr. BALL. Now, you got on the bus at Monterrey on the evening of September 26 at 7:30 p.m., you just told me? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. And what was the company that operated that bus, do you know? Miss MUMFORD. That was also Transporter del Norte. McFarland affidavit: Q. Did you see Oswald speaking to any other persons? A. Yes. We observed him conversing occasionally with two young Australian women who boarded the bus on the evening of September 26th at Monterrey, Mexico. He also conversed occasionally with an elderly man who sat in the seat next to him for a time. FBI report placing all these people together on the wrong bus. But confirms a 2pm departure... of note: Flecha Rojas = Continental Busline and Del Norte = Greyhound. The other two buslines were Anahuac and Frontera... I am of the opinion that none of what the Aussies or McFarland said was their own words. Our man BALL, as shown in another great thread about creating the desired testimony record tries to get Pam onto a bus leaving Nuevo Laredo at 10am since he surely knows that the Monterrey to Mexico City bus THEY ARE AGREEING TO GO WITH leaves at 3:30pm. a 2pm departure would never make it... Repeatedly solutions were offered only to be overwritten due to inconsistencies and timing problems... You mirror what I concluded... The FBI created a journey for Oswald... whether he was actually there on the 27th is highly unlikely Mr. BALL. Didn't you leave the bus depot at Laredo on September 25th, about 10 o'clock in the morning, or was it September 26? Miss MUMFORD. September 26. Now, hold on. We had one day in Monterrey and one night in Monterrey. We left Monterrey, I know, on the night of September 26 at 7:30 p.m.

Google is your friend Steve... http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKpapich.htm Sam Papich was born in 1914. He joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1941 and during the Second World War he did undercover work in South America. In 1961 he was investigating Sam Giancana. Papich was approached by CIA agents who were working with Giancana in the plot to assassinate Fidel Castro. He told J. Edgar Hoover about what the CIA/Mafia plot. Papich was assigned the task of spying on the operation to kill Castro. Later he became the FBI's liaison officer with various divisions within the Central Intelligence Agency. In 1963 Papich was involved in the investigation of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. His main responsibility was coordinating CIA information for FBI agents investigating Lee Harvey Oswald. Papich told a journalist that he had serious doubts about the reliability of the Warren Report. He found it difficult to believe that Oswald was the lone gunman: “This would have been very fancy shooting even for the best marksmen in the FBI. But everything we had on Oswald indicated that he was a crappy shot.” The same journalist later claimed that The Man Who Knew Too Much by Dick Russell contained some very important information that had been missed: "Several times he stopped the interview and referred me to that book. It was very strange, as if he was trying to tell me something. I’m not sure what, but he just kept saying it was an interesting account of events. Knowing Sam as I came to, I have been left with the impression that he regarded certain threads in that book has worthy of further exploration, but thought that journalists had not picked up on those threads." Papich retired from the FBI in 1970. Later he served on the President's Foreign Advisory Board and as a consultant to the Joint Chiefs of Staff in an assessment of Soviet intelligence deception. In 1973 Papich became director of the Organized Crime Prevention Council. Sam Papich died in Albuquerque on 22nd December, 2004.

Excellent read... thanks Jim. Obviously I have some thoughts on Osborne/BOWEN and the Mexico evidence on which his name appears. 124-10003-10385 is a FBI report from JANUARY 21, 1964 stating that Photos of BOWEN match OSBORNE despite OSBORNE denying he was BOWEN. The report says he was interviewed on Jan 7th in Mexico as re-confirmed by Kowalski's essay... Yet a month prior on Dec 8, 1963 the FBI and Mexico City are aware of BOWEN/OSBORNE (see page below)... (the reality is that by mid day Nov 22, the records from all 4 bus lines for the days in question were "borrowed" by someone on the Mexican presidential staff...) As you will notice in the doc below, the manifest suggests that BOWEN has traveling with a companion... When a line is placed under the name - like McFarland and his wife who is represented by the line - it means there was another traveler...or the reality that these three were never on this bus for one simple reason... the bus to Mexico City leaves Monterrey at 3:30pm. the bus from Neuvo Laredo leaves at 2pm... You can't get from place to place in 90 minutes... even today it takes over 3 hours.... I also have the Monterrey bus manifest for Flecha Rojas to Mexico City where only passengers who board in Monterrey ... of course the Ausiie girls are not on it... Pam Winston repeatedly states she and her friend took DEL NORTE to Mexico City. Even Hoover finally admits that Flecha Rojas was incorrect... bowen/osborne was placed on this bus, like McFarland and Oswalt - after the fact.... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11640#relPageId=281&tab=page Bus Nuevo Laredo to Monterrey: Trip Overview 37 Daily Buses 12:15 AM - 11:30 PM Departure Time $18 Average Price 3h 10m Average Trip Duration The WCR never refers to him as "BOWEN" only "Osborne" and a number of FBI reports as well as the WCR recap state he denied it was Oswald. This next paragraph and after neglects to mention that the MacFarlands, the Aussie's and "BOWEN" were on a Del Norte bus. The Flecha Rojas baggage list was altered to add "OSWALT" just as the FRONTERA bus manifest was changed by BOSCH from a Nov date to Oct 2nd at 2pm. This too had to change since that bus doesn't accomplish the trip in time. The Mexican authorities had disposed of the original and a copy of the passenger list for the Flecha Roja (Red Arrow) bus that Osborne rode in Mexico. Therefore, the FBI used the luggage manifest and immigration records to piece together who was on the bus.72 This is how they found the name of Mr. Bowen. But they could not find Bowen. One problem with finding Bowen/Osborne was that he had tossed out a bundle of tall tales to the people around him on the bus. As the FBI noted in their long report, he told some passengers that he had never been to England, that he was a retired schoolteacher, and that he was working on a book about the Lisbon earthquake.73

Mike... have you tried reading the book ? As for "seasoned detectives" - they were part of the conspiracy bud... the entire Dallas homicide department completely forgot how to run an investigation? Short of the Cliff notes Mike... what are you expecting here? Have you read about Angleton and Harvey, Helms and Hunt and Phillips and Shakely and Robertson and on and on... You are claiming with a straight face that the CIA of the 50's and 60's was not only the perfect entity to enact these plans but the only one capable of hiding it completely... Angleton kept files the CIA didn't even know about.... So once again I see that those who can't DO, Critique others.... Do you always smack things you don't understand with a stick... or do you try to understand that which you currently don't? Are you claiming what you know of H&L could NOT be accomplished by those in power? What exactly is your bone of contention - that YOU can't buy it? that YOU have a problem seeing... cause I have yet to see you debunk any of the evidence... I'm fairly sure you're not even familiar with the evidence enough to try and debunk it.... Judy Baker on the other hand is easily debunked... I've posted and written articles on the woman's lying and conning abilities. At the end of the day I think what bothers you most is that you just don't know what to do about it... the evidence is all there... the interviews are all there... John and I have talked about the small cadre of folk who feel it their duty to debunk this theory... He's thrilled since all along the point was to take a closer look. You looked and it doesn't ring true for you... fine... but nothing offered so far DEBUNKS the evidence of these 2 men or the charade that was played with a 12 year old boy and his mother. For those who follow... keep digging, ask questions. And see if you can deal with this.... El Toro and Santa Ana are 2 DIFFERENT bases... You think the assistant Provo Marshall is inclined to lie about things just for grins? and we all know about John Ely's journey thru the looking glass... Show me something compelling to deal with the evidence from the years 1952 thru 1963... explain the 7th, 8th, & 9th grade problems in the records, from Carro and the ongoing misremembered life of Margaret/Marguerite's testimony. Sorry Mike... these two men are not the same man... yet both were identified as LHO. Shoulders don't lie. Let me ask you something Mike... just to identify fakes and forgeries... the following is the LHO Marine induction photo... What is wrong with this picture?