David Josephs

20 hours ago, Lance Payette said:

Coincidences like the patsy whose rifle was on the 6th floor actually munching a sandwich in the first floor lunchroom, or perhaps standing on the steps of the TSBD, or perhaps both, at the time of the assassination? I actually sometimes engage in precisely the opposite thought-experiment: How many of the pretty-much-undisputed facts of November 21-24 make any sense whatsoever in the context of any conspiracy theory? I find the Lone Nut hypothesis, with any and all quirks and mysteries duly acknowledged, far more plausible than any of the extant conspiracy theories. But that's just me.

"Just you". Kinda nice not having to actually do anything in support of your conclusions...  like looking at the evidence offered and seeing how it paints a picture of a conspiracy rather than one of a Lone Nut...  Aint gonna learn what you dont wanna know 

17 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

Another fun game to play is the "If Only" game.

I put together this "If Only" list a few years back:

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IF ONLY .... Lee Harvey Oswald had been successful in his suicide attempt in Russia on October 21, 1959.

JFK still was targeted to be killed either in Tampa, Chicago or Texas...  "Lee Oswald" would be known as "Arthur Vallee"
IF ONLY you could see past your cherry picking and look at the event as a whole... If ONLY


IF ONLY .... Bonnie Ray Williams had decided to watch the Presidential motorcade from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, instead of going down to the fifth floor shortly before President Kennedy drove past the building.

IF ONLY you'd also mention he left the 6th floor, not 10 feet from where the SE corner is, because, in his words, "It was so quiet" even though it was not after 12:15 and all evidence still points to no Oswald on the 6th floor or even on his way up.


IF ONLY .... TSBD Superintendent Roy Truly had not hired Lee Harvey Oswald on October 15, 1963.
IF ONLY you could understand how inconsequential that was... related to the killing of JFK...  creating a patsy - that's another story

IF ONLY .... Roy Truly had assigned Oswald to work at the Houston Street TSBD building, instead of the building at 411 Elm Street in Dealey Plaza.
SEE PREVIOUS

IF ONLY .... Lee Harvey Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle had jammed at Z313.
IF ONLY you'd try to substantiate the delivery of said weapon as effectively as the rest of us have debunked it

IF ONLY .... Lee Oswald's father had not died shortly before Lee was born. What influence would it have had on Lee's whole life if he had been able to grow up with a father in the house, instead of being raised solely by that really strange mother of his, Marguerite?
IF ONLY you actually knew something about the man's childhood and the amazingly bizarre happenstances that follow MO and child around, all the while Lee and his mother are written out of the play

IF ONLY .... Marina Oswald had agreed to immediately go back to Dallas to live with her husband when Lee asked her to do so on Thursday, November 21, 1963.
IF ONLY any of this statement made any sense based on the heresay of Marina and Ruth...  why does Oswald walk to Frazier instead of being picked up like all the other times?

IF ONLY .... Linnie Mae Randle's house had been located further away from Ruth Paine's house in Irving, Texas. If Randle hadn't lived so close to the Paine home, it's very likely that Lee Oswald would never have found out about the job opening at the Texas School Book Depository.
IF ONLY you knew what a tautology was....   placing the assumed contradiction or answer in the question you are refuting is intellectual vomit.  This isn't the Butterfly Effect movie here DVP....  you need to connect your circular statements to the possibilities about which you are hypothesizing

IF ONLY .... it hadn't stopped raining in Dallas on the morning of 11/22/63, shortly prior to JFK's motorcade through the city. If the rain had continued, then the plastic bubbletop roof would have been affixed to the President's 1961 Lincoln Continental limousine as JFK was being driven through the streets of Dallas, which might have deflected the bullets away from the President's body. The roof might have also deterred Oswald from firing any rifle shots at the car in the first place (if Oswald had been of the opinion that the bubbletop roof was bullet-proof, which it wasn't).
AGAIN TAUTOLOGICAL....  SINCE YOU CANNOT PLACE OSWALD IN THE 6TH FLOOR WINDOW WITH A RIFLE, THE BUBBLETOP CONCLUSION YOU DRAW IS NON-SEQUITOR 

IF ONLY .... Arnold Rowland had alerted a policeman about the gunman he saw on the west end of the Book Depository Building at approximately 12:15 PM on 11/22/63.
IF ONLY the DPD and FBI followed up on his 11/22 affidavit describing exactly that... a gunman in the opposite window from where they placed the shots

IF ONLY .... Buell Wesley Frazier had been unable to drive Lee Harvey Oswald to work on the morning of November 22nd. What would Oswald have done then? Would he have carried his rifle package on a bus? (Perhaps.) Or in a taxicab? (I doubt it.)

Or would he have awakened Ruth Paine and asked her to drive him to work, with the 38-inch-long brown paper package in the back of Mrs. Paine's Chevrolet station wagon? (I very much doubt it. It's unlikely he would have wanted to use the "curtain rod" lie in front of Mrs. Paine. Of course, if Ruth asked "What's in the package, Lee?", Lee could have always thought up a quick lie on the spur of the moment, I suppose. He could always tell Ruth that Marina made him an extra-large submarine sandwich for lunch that day.)

IN ONLY you'd realize that Oswald waiting until Thursday afternoon to ask Wesley for a ride is not exactly in line with someone planning such a momentous event.  One would think he'd secure a ride earlier in the week... say the 19th when he finally became aware that JFK was even coming to Dallas.  

Linnie Mae put it at 27"...  Wesley at just over 24" while Mrs. Randle says Oswald was not carrying anything...  A TSBD worker asked multiple times if Oswald had anything in his hands when coming into work...  "No he did not". Amazing what happens when you add facts to your "IF-ONLY-THEN" experiment

IF ONLY .... Lee Oswald's paper bag had ripped open on the way to work. If it had ripped, it might have allowed Wesley Frazier to see what was inside the bag (a rifle), and it might have made Oswald think twice about using that now-exposed weapon as an instrument in a Presidential assassination attempt a few hours later.
IF ONLY you mentioned the impossibility of Oswald creating such a bag based on the evidence available.  Or how the bag, if actually made, gets home with him and Wesley... then into the garage and at some time later used to carry the broken down rifle....  all without a single sound made..

Mr. JENNER - You heard no moving about on his part prior to your awakening?

Mrs. PAINE - No moving about on his part at all when I looked when I awoke.

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. He then stopped talking and sat down and watched television and then went to bed. I went to bed later. It was about 9 o'clock when he went to sleep. I went to sleep about 11:30. But it seemed to me that he was not really asleep. But I didn't talk to him.  In the morning he got up, said goodbye, and left, and that I shouldn't get up--as always, I did not get up to prepare breakfast. This was quite usual.

Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.

Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?

Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
(this 5'9" man holding his arm at his side carrying the bag, and this 34" piece did not touch the ground...ok)

...

Mr. BALL. Now, was the length of it any similar, anywhere near similar?

Mrs. RANDLE. Well, it wasn't that long, I mean it was folded down at the top as I told you. It definitely wasn't that long.

...

Mrs. RANDLE. I measured 27" last time.

Mr. BALL. You measured 27" once before?

Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

Hmmm... maybe she didn't get a good look... what does Wesley say about this bag?

Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.

17 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

IF ONLY .... Police Officer Marrion Baker had detained Lee Harvey Oswald on the second floor of the TSBD. If Baker hadn't turned Oswald loose in the lunchroom, the life of policeman J.D. Tippit would have been spared.
IF ONLY you'd stop with the tautological BS Dave.  When you front load the contradictions you wish to prove into the question itself, you offer no proof, only words that go round in circles...  

IF ONLY .... Lee Harvey Oswald had been caught in the act of attempting to kill retired General Edwin A. Walker on April 10, 1963.
IF ONLY you knew the difference between a silver jacket and a copper one...  and at some point along the way proven that a rifle was ever sent and/or rec'd by Oswald.

IF ONLY .... Lee Harvey Oswald had been successful in his attempt to reach Cuba and/or the Soviet Union during his trip to Mexico City in September 1963. If he had gone to Cuba or Russia in September, would he have returned to Dallas, Texas, in November to shoot President Kennedy?
IF ONLY you understood what occurred from Sept 23 thru Oct 4th...   Aint gonna learn what you dont wanna know

IF ONLY .... Ruth Paine had not met Lee and Marina Oswald at a party in February of 1963.
IF ONLY you just realized the straight line you just drew from RUTH PAINE and the Conspiracy to cover up the assassination of JFK.  A 3rd grader can now fill in those blanks

IF ONLY .... the Texas Employment Commission had attempted to contact Lee Harvey Oswald just a day or two earlier than they did, to inform Oswald of a job opening at Trans-Texas Airways (a job that would have paid Oswald $310 per month, which is over $100 more per month than his TSBD salary).

Records indicate that the Texas Employment Commission attempted to contact Oswald by telephone on October 15, 1963, which was the exact same day he was hired by Roy Truly at the Book Depository.

Records further indicate that the TEC last attempted to contact Oswald about the Trans-Texas job at 10:30 AM on October 16, 1963, which was the same day Oswald began working at the TSBD. [Also see Warren Report, Page 247.]

IF ONLY you were aware that so much more was going on at the TSBD that whan your obviously unidirectional mind can take in.  If only you could make the connection between the intelligence community and the movements (maneuvering) of Oswald into position


IF ONLY .... Bullet CE399 hadn't fallen out of Governor John Connally's left leg. If that bullet had remained in Connally's thigh, instead of falling onto his hospital stretcher, it would have saved millions of words from being written by conspiracy theorists about the bullet having been "planted".
IF ONLY you could remember that CE399 is only accepted as the bullet which Elmer Todd says he gets from Rowley while Rowley does NOT ID the bullet as the one from Johnson...  Ooops.  CE399 comes into existence in Washington DC when Rowley hands it to Todd...  Wonder how it got to Rowley despite having received a different bullet from Johnson...  Hmmm

IF ONLY .... Karen Carlin had waited one more hour to call Jack Ruby on November 24, 1963. Such a delay on Carlin's behalf would have meant Ruby would very likely have not been in a position to shoot and kill Lee Harvey Oswald in the basement of Dallas City Hall at 11:21 AM CST on 11/24/63.
IF ONLY you read the paper by John and me about what actually happened that led Ruby to killing Oswald...  or the conclusions of the HSCA which found the "alley" or parking lot to the east of the courthouse has an unlocked door which leads directly to the stairs to the basement.  Read our paper and maybe learn something - 

IF ONLY .... One more customer had been in front of Jack Ruby at the Western Union office.
IF ONLY you realized that the timing of one had nothing to do with the timing of the other.  Oswald would be brought to Jack Ruby when Rudy was ready and in position... they waited over 90 mins already... what's a few more.  IF ONLY Kenneth CROY - standing right next to Ruby - had done anything to curtail his progress as he KNEW Ruby was not a reporter and should not have been there.

IF ONLY .... Lee Harvey Oswald hadn't taken the time to put on that black sweater before being escorted into the basement.
Non-Sequitor

IF ONLY .... Jack Ruby had not owned a revolver.
Non-Sequitor

IF ONLY .... Jacqueline Kennedy had pushed her husband down inside the limousine before the fatal bullet had a chance to hit its mark.

IF ONLY you'd realize that once again you offer tautologies....  seems all your statements revolve around proving or disproving that which you've already decided in the question...  very poor form DVP...  I thought you had the chops to make an argument based on Authenticated Evidence.

If only.  If Only you had realized that we here investigate first and conclude second as opposed to the the tautological existence you've created for yourself and those who care to read your work...   Since I've known you you've failed at every opportunity to offer deductive logic within the evidence and circumstances in place of these tautologies...   Kinda sad the few voices in support of a vastly corrupt government can't pull it together and offer a coherent argument...

Always a joy seeing you flounder in your attempts to explain the impossible. 

David Von Pein
August 2010 and February 2015

 

For those not familiar, here is Tosh's representation of the event...  As mentioned, if he walked off right away we would not have any images of him (but I'll keep looking)

I did a composite panorama of Dealey below...  2 things always struck me about the images... 1- we don't get much of a view of the stairs by the south pergola and 

2- the terrible quality of Altgens 8 and how most of the bridge was cut off and the quality of the image is much worse than his other frames... FWIW...

Always found what Tosh said compelling (moreso than Hemming for sure) except for the trying to stop it...  I think that was a line they used on him)

But now I can dig a little and see what I can find...  DJ

6 hours ago, Tommy Tomlinson said:

Has anyone ever put together a list of the crazy coincidences that needed to happen for Oswald to have done the shooting per the Lone Nut theory?

I often find when debating the subject that I encounter a lot of "Well... maybe Frazier didn't know the difference between 2 feet and 3 feet?" or "Maybe Connally didn't realise he'd been shot till a few seconds later?"

Just for fun... no arguing... little bit of light hearted Christmas sarcastic silliness. How about we compile a list of good fortune and coincidence that would have been needed for the job to have happened the WC says happened.

I'll start...

Oswald was really lucky that Buell Wesley Frazier was able to give him those lifts at such short notice, otherwise he'd have had to carry his rifle to work on the bus. 

Oswald was really lucky that the Post Office worker who handled the rifle delivery to his PO Box didn't know the rules about not accepting deliveries to people with different names to specific PO Boxes... (and also lucky that the worker who let him pick the rifle up was unaware of that rule as well...)

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-on-november-22-1963

Hope you enjoy it...

I have all the released docs in the excel format offered...

I am filtering the new release for only those files that had not previously been released since I am finding that while some of the new docs have removed
some of the redactions, some are exactly the same... or are only partially un-redacted.

The CIA talking in June 1962 about a potential coup in Vietnam due to the "people's" dissatisfaction with the leadership... yet also saying they will say no more to the American people as the USA does not support illegal acts like a coup... overtly at least.  https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/176-10036-10086.pdf 

Just getting started so hopefully something of real value will bubble to the top... 

1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:

 

"Holan lived at 409 E. Tenth Street"

 

No.  She did not.

 

Please provide any supporting evidence that leads you to that statement.... 
Saying it without sourcing is like not saying it at all BB.

Armstrong and I have been researching the Tippit murder for more years than you've been alive and he too found out that HOLAN lived directly across the street from the murder..

Even Dale Myers calls out the 409 10th Street address with a footnote to the source.

[17] Interview of Lad A. Holan, Jr., March 26, 2021, Pt.2, p.25

21 hours ago, Mike Kiely said:

Of all familiar aspects of the case that Michael mentions, the toot-toot outside the rooming house has always been a stand-out. It just isn't something that you can argue Earlene Roberts 'imagined'. And if she didn't, then in all the post-assassination frenzy to reassign patrol cars, who from the DPD had the time to cruise down N Beckley and say 'hi' to Mrs Roberts via their car horn? Michael assigns this toot-toot to Tippit; now, while I've never seen a convincing argument it was Tippit; equally, I've never seen one to say it wasn't. Add the fact of a tunic hanging up inside the car at 10th and Patton to, perhaps, explain Mrs Robert's testimony that she saw two men in the patrol car, and there's more than a whiff of Occam's Razor about this incident. Or perhaps I just need to grow up.

Hi Mike...  There are so many open cans of worms in just this one paragraph.  

You might consider that it was WESTBROOK and CROY in that car, and the car which is in the driveway at a "T" to where Tippit stopped.

It is WESTBROOK who tries to explain away the car that was identified as being at the Beckley address around 1pm

Toot- toot !

(PS... WESTBROOK lied his butt off in many, many areas... not least of which was Ruby's gaining entrance and shooting Oswald under the DPD). Another topic for another conversation

DJ

On 11/16/2022 at 5:50 PM, Bill Brown said:

A common sense, fact-filled response to DiEugenio's nonsense:

 

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2022/11/the-single-bullet-fact.html

FACT: The path of the supposed single transiting bullet - from back to front - RISES 11 degrees.

Bill - how does a bullet rising by 11 degrees strike another man at a 25 degree downward angle? Unless you can show us that JFK was bending over past 45 degrees while sitting in the limo...  z225 seems to contradict that. No?

And when test after test is performed we get an absurd illustration of the back-shot exiting thru JFK"S CHEST ON A DOWNWARD TRAJECTORY.

"Single" bullet?  yet below are just 2 mentions of OTHER bullets/fragments that are not in inventory and have disappeared to history...  How many Single Bullets are there in that Silly Bullet Theory?

20 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:

IMO, it must first be proven that Oswald *didn't* do it, *and* that proof must be widely disseminated, getting past the media gatekeepers, before there can be enough support for an investigation of what really happened.  If Oswald didn't do it the Warren Report collapses.  Given the enormity of the crime and destructiveness that has resulted since, something must replace it.

I am hoping that proven the negative NEVER becomes part of our judicial system.  OSWALD is innocent until proven guilty, which, based on the evidence available now, is not possible as the Authenticity of the Evidence is so poor, none of it could be used to convict anyone.. until the fix was in that is.

We have proof the FBI cooperated yet not they were involved in the actual assassination.
We have even more proof the Secret Service was involved in a myriad of plans and plots starting in Dealey Plaza (or the drunken night before) and winding up with Chief ROWLEY and buddies with what may have been the original Zapruder film in their possession middle of the night over Fri/Sat before it goes to Hawkeyeworks.
We have proof the State dept was in sync with the CIA in pushing the OSWALD-CASTRO-KRUSCHEV connections.

The CIA "dirty tricks" folks were all over it for sure...  and would be in the best position to recruit and support the actual shooters...

Yet all in all, the one thread throughout all of this proof is the US Military... ONI & MID as well as the JCS thru the ACSI...

The documents may very well lay the blame at the feet of the CIA... but from my POV the CIA has always been the front for Military's intelligence and their ability to do most anything, anywhere in the world.  Drag down Helms and Bissell etc... but you don't see much coming from LeMay and Taylor... do we?

I started with the premise that Oswald did it... and looked to trace how he would be aware enough to plan and execute the plan in the time we see is available.  Oswald the Patsy was railroaded that entire day despite the actual evidence proving the contrary... as I hope you will see...

https://www.kennedysandking.com/content/oswald-on-november-22-1963 is an early essay discussing the "plan" Oswald used to "do it"... and illustrates how absurd it looks on its face.

I had put the wrong ad into the last post... that was after the fact... this is the ad that ran from which we have no idea what rifles were used to fulfill orders from Aug thru Feb...  

This one may be more to your lilking:

One of the more important - but small details - is the fact the rifle ordered has a variable front sight, the 91TS rifles from which the 2/22/63 "delivered" mystery order supposedly comes from has a fixed sight and is the 40" FC rifle (just above the 91/38 Cav. in the list).  so not only does Feldsott's company supposedly send 100 of the wrong rifles (FC for TS), evidence from 11/22-23-24/63 shows that "C"2766 was not included in either of the orders found at Klein's coming from Feldsott.

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-the-carbine-on-the-6th-floor is a fairly detailed presentation of how the Evidence is the Conspiracy - in this case the evidence is a rifle having nothing at all to do with what happened that day...  Hope those who look find something new and interesting...  DJ

Based on the age and where she was, it seems more likely that BARUJ was friends with the older sister Kathleen yet still names his one child after the middle sister...

Kathleen L. (BAKEMAN) Schorger, 84, Aurora, passed away September 13, 2004. She was born on July 6, 1920 in London, England, the daughter of George and Molly (Davidson) Bakeman.

She attended school at Baccalaureate es Lettres Lycee de Saint Cloud (France) and Lycee Francais de New York.

In 1943 she received her Bachelors (Sociology and Psychology) from Richmond Professional Institute of the College of William and Mary, Richmond, VA. In 1946 she received her Masters from Columbia School of Social Work (then known as the New York School of Social Work).

She retired after 19 years as a Clinical Social Worker for the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, MI.

Kathleen married William Schorger in 1973. William passed away in November 2003. She enjoyed reading, art, and traveling. She and her husband who predeceased her were world travelers.
 

52 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

Ed Ledoux tracked down an Edward E. Parent of the right age from New Orleans and even got the guy on the phone but he denied everything.

Ed has always been amazingly spot on....  wonder if he "denied" everything or was simple dumbfounded and had no idea what was being asked of him... if not the real Parent.

"Denial", like "I'm just a patsy" in my view, implies knowledge which innocent people don't possess.  

I'll take a look and see what shakes out...  thanks.

George W. Bakeman with his wife, Mollie, is hibernating at "The Oaks" in Hanover, Virginia. They have three children all married-Kathleen, 46, Beryl, 43 (born 1924), and Margaret, 36. There are 10 grandchildren ranging from 1 to 21, but no great-grandchildren. George has not any affiliations, but has various hobbies: cabinet work and gardening. 
 

BARUJ BENACERRAF - whose "friend of his" father was George Bakeman, also named his one daughter BERYL... suggests that his "friend" may have been Beryl Bakeman as in 1942 she would be 18, or maybe the older sister...  yet Beryl  Benacerraf becomes a doctor as well...

Guess it is indeed the same guy

Faculty George W. Bakeman of Richmond, Virginia, died on December 4. Mr. Bakeman served the Medical College of Virginia in many capacities: assistant president, director of MCV Hospital, personnel manager, acting and associate dean of medicine, student counselor, chairman of student loans and scholarships, and secretary of the Board of Visitors at MCV. He retired in 1959. Among the positions he held, before coming to MCV, was as administrator of the Rockefeller Foundation's Paris office.

BAKEMAN helps BARUJ get into the school... and BARUJ is a friend of BAKEMAN's child (M/F?). 
Can these be the same person?

The Rockefeller Foundation New York European Office
20, Rue de la Baume Selskar M. Gunn Paris (8e), France
George W. Bakeman, Administrator
Cable Address: Rockfound, Paris R. Letort, Comptroller Telephone: Élysées 92-08 S. S. Paris, July 28th 1939.

The first European country opened to the Church of the Brethren for relief work following World War II was France. The establishment of the Brethren Service program came about through the agreements made by the American Aid for France on the stateside, and the American Aid for France in France. On the stateside, there was a French woman as executive, and on the French side the executive secretary was Dr. George W. Bakeman of the Medical College of Virginia.

SCARAB: Official Organ of the Alumni Association of the Medical College of Virginia
George W. Bakeman, chairman of the Admissions Committee, reported that over the years it has been the policy of the Medical College of Virginia to keep in close touch with the premedical faculty in all colleges in Virginia, and during the past seven years he has made annual visits to Virginia colleges to meet with the faculties and discuss with them and with the students the problems of admission to medical school. Members of the Admissions Committee, it was stated, "are selected by the dean on the basis of their expressed interest in the problems related to this extremely difficult responsibility of selection, their interest in students throughout the medical course, and their disposition and ability to give the time necessary not only to regular meetings and discussions of policies, but also to interviews, which may amount to several hundred hours apiece Lloyd C. Bird P'17 Chairman for each member. There are eleven members on the committee. Two arc alumni. In answer to a question regarding whether any special factors are given consideration in weighing the applications of the children of alumni, the Dean of Medicine reported that since the application form does not call for this information, the Admissions Committee learns of such kin- ship only through interview questions, supporting letters and by chance. Mr. Bakeman added, "During my service as Chairman of the Admissions Committee I can say that there has been no application from a candidate known to be an alumnus' son which has not had more than average attention. This is not due to any specific written regulation or rule of the Admissions Committee, but rather to the fact that we all appreciate the interest of the alumni in the Medical College of Virginia and want to encourage it in every way possible. Our first responsibility, of course, is to Virginia students, and we believe that only those non-Virginians who have really superb averages and personal qualifications should be accepted. This inevitably handicaps the son of a non-Virginian alumnus when compared with a resident of this state. Those sons of Virginia alumni who have been rejected have been considered only after much discussion when it was obvious that their academic or personal qualifications fell markedly below the standards which we are applying to other Virginia students." "In this connection," Mr. Bakeman said, "one must always remember the recommendations from the premedical faculty are confidential and at times reveal information concerning the student's academic record and/or even character which is not ordinarily available, which cannot be divulged to the applicant, his parents, or an interested friend."

34 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

Have you checked Ancestry.com or anything like that? They have a ton of info and a ton of military records. You might also get lucky and find a Richmond city directory or something that would list all the Bakemans, etc. Ancestry has a good collection of pre-1960 directories online. 

I’ve been too busy to work on it for a while, but I’m having a similar problem tracking down a guy from New Orleans who by all indications appears to be a spook. I might make a thread today and see if anyone here can find anything. 

If you have a chance to check it out that would be great...  need to know who BAKEMAN's child friend to Baruj was....  Why do I think it will be William G Bakeman?

Who in New Orleans are you looking for?

Warren Weaver. Half a century ago, his Alice in Many Tongues: The Translations of “Alice in Wonderland” (1964)
https://www.oakknoll.com/resources/bookexcerpts/120410.pdf

In Weaver’s extensive discussion of the passage in different languages, the quality of the back-translators’ explanations obviously plays an important role. When he writes that “the Russian version is especially clever and sensitive” (p. 90), this is a judgment which can only be explained by the Russian re-translator, “Mrs. George W. Bakeman” (p. 80), having given an intelligent and comprehensive meta-commentary on what the Russian translator (Vladimir Nabokov) did in his translation.

Before long, as the IHD representatives were joined by those of the other RF divisions (plus the International Education Board and the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial), the need for larger quarters became apparent. Early in 1927 the Foundation purchased the two top floors of a newly constructed seven-story building at 20, rue de la Baume, a quiet street in the Eighth Arrondissement just off the Bou- levard Haussmann. From open terraces on the top floor, one could see the church of Sacre Coeur to the north and the cathedral of Notre Dame to the south. The decor, as planned by the office manager, George W. Bakeman, was quietly impressive but fell short of opulence. Carpeting salvaged from the preceding office was relaid in several rooms; floors were covered with a thick cork linoleum that, Bakeman explained, was “more sanitary and durable than a carpet” and “considerably cheaper.”

This appears to be a different BAKEMAN, no?

2 minutes ago, Paul Cummings said:

The guy on the left looks like Pres. Truman

Problem I'm having is this is also George W BAKEMAN in 1937 in Paris within the Rockefeller circle as office manager doing the decor, 22 years earlier...  same guy?

Enthusiasm appreciated...  It was BAKEMAN that got me re-interested...  And figuring whether this was just a made up name given, a real name/person, or what.

I did find a few things and while MR. GEORGE does not seem to be a doctor, there is no indication he was a Major in the Navy...  And 

AAMC:  EMERITUS MEMBERS The following individuals were voted into emeritus membership in the Association : Mr. George W. Bakeman, Medical College of Virginia

I'll continue the rest here:

A year later they relocated to New York, where Benacerraf took a two-year degree that qualified him to enter medical school. Finding a place proved hard for a Jewish-French-Hispanic foreigner and he received endless rejections. Fortunately, he had impressed George Bakeman, a friend's father who was assistant to the president of the medical college in Richmond, Virginia. 

17 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Kathlee passed away in 2019:

KATHLEE FITZGERALD Obituary (2019) - Pittsburgh, PA - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (legacy.com)

I think Bakeman was just a mistake and they meant Burkley.

I have a tough time with that conclusion since they name Burkley earlier (2nd) in the document.  Grouping him with McHugh seems strange as well... 

 he was Associate Dean of the Medical College of Virginia

https://archive.org/stream/scarab83aug1959medi/scarab83aug1959medi_djvu.txt 

Interim Committee, April 1, 1956, to February 1, 1957, composed of Dr. Erling S. Hegre, professor of anat- 
omy, George W. Bakeman, associate dean of medicine, and Dr. Wyndham B. Blanton, Jr., assistant to the dean, 
deserves great praise for strenuous work well done. Routine had grown, and there were many special problems as 
well. An interim committee does more extra work than most of us can realize. We are deeply indebted to such a 
committee as Doctor Hegre's. 

Interim Committee, 1946-1947.— This interim committee was headed by George W. Bakeman with Dr. James 
P. Baker and Dr. Harvey B. Haag as associates. Such a committee can sustain academic and administrative gains 
and deserves our continuing thanks. Mr. Bakeman's committee gave real leadership and was widely appreciated. 
This is typical of all of Mr. Bakeman's work with us since he came to MCV in 1941, richly prepared for a career 
here. 

Interim Committee, April 1, 1956, to February 1, 1957, composed of Dr. Erling S. Hegre, professor of anatomy, George W. Bakeman, associate dean of medicine, and Dr. Wyndham B. Blanton, Jr., assistant to the dean, 
deserves great praise for strenuous work well done. Routine had grown, and there were many special problems as 
well. An interim committee does more extra work than most of us can realize. We are deeply indebted to such a 
committee as Doctor Hegre's. 

The Philadelphia Chapter of the Alumni Association met on December 3 at the Hotel Warwick in Philadelphia. Dr. Philip London, 
the president of the Chapter, presided and made arrangements for the lovely dinner. 
Mr. George Bakeman, associate dean of the school of medicine, 
brought word to the group about activities of the College and the executive- 
secretary told them about the Alumni Association. 

Baruj Benacerraf

I was refused admission by the numerous medical schools I applied to and would have found it impossible to study medicine except for the kindness and support of George W. Bakeman, father of a close friend, who was then Assistant to the President of the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond

In every instance of this man's bio they only refer to Bakeman as "father of a close friend".  Also, the MAJOR is referred to as "William Bakeman" without the George... fwiw.

Need to find out who the child of BAKEMAN is... 

Been looking into the autopsy again...

There is a Military Doctor - Dr.GEORGE BATEMAN - who could not be located by the HSCA and does not appear in the WCR or WCDs... here is a nice thread on the man thanks to Kelly and Knight..  I don't think that was his real name FWIW, if he was indeed involved in changing JFK's wounds...

IDK, 

Could he have been the doctor who was in the autopsy room before all the other doctors, maybe he did some of the surgery to JFK's body prior to the arrival of the others...

Why would we accept that was his name if he was there doing something clandestine?  Like "Bill Smith" delivering the film to NPIC...  

https://search.archives.jdc.org/multimedia/Documents/NY_AR2132/00035/NY_AR2132_02513.pdf is a memo from "George W. Bateman" with no self reference as a doctor.. 

and this article re: the Red Cross calls him "MAJOR W Bakeman" without the George..

FWIW

https://geschichte-univie-ac-at.translate.goog/en/persons/george-w-bakeman?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

"The American Red Cross has done an extraordinary amount for the infant and other hospitals in the last two years. In the period from July 1921 to January 1922 alone, it spent the sum of 17 million French francs for Austria, of which a considerable amount, if part, which I also do not know exactly, was used for the university clinics. The American Red Cross, among other things - under the eager leadership of Major W. Bakeman - set up and funded one hundred baby welfare centers in Austria in the last year: Since the American Red Cross on June 1, 1922 concludes, as with the Society of Friends and the American Relief Administration, now would be a good time to express the university's gratitude in the form of a decoration of the boss:I apply accordingly for Major W. Bakeman - analogous toCaptain Gardner Richardson and Dr. Clark - the gold medal."Captain Gardner Richardson and Dr. Clark - the gold medal."

4 hours ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

Thanks, I did find your interesting article while going throught K and K a few weeks ago.

 

Thanks Jean...  glad you got something out of it...