David Josephs

This one may be more to your lilking:

One of the more important - but small details - is the fact the rifle ordered has a variable front sight, the 91TS rifles from which the 2/22/63 "delivered" mystery order supposedly comes from has a fixed sight and is the 40" FC rifle (just above the 91/38 Cav. in the list).  so not only does Feldsott's company supposedly send 100 of the wrong rifles (FC for TS), evidence from 11/22-23-24/63 shows that "C"2766 was not included in either of the orders found at Klein's coming from Feldsott.

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-the-carbine-on-the-6th-floor is a fairly detailed presentation of how the Evidence is the Conspiracy - in this case the evidence is a rifle having nothing at all to do with what happened that day...  Hope those who look find something new and interesting...  DJ

Based on the age and where she was, it seems more likely that BARUJ was friends with the older sister Kathleen yet still names his one child after the middle sister...

Kathleen L. (BAKEMAN) Schorger, 84, Aurora, passed away September 13, 2004. She was born on July 6, 1920 in London, England, the daughter of George and Molly (Davidson) Bakeman.

She attended school at Baccalaureate es Lettres Lycee de Saint Cloud (France) and Lycee Francais de New York.

In 1943 she received her Bachelors (Sociology and Psychology) from Richmond Professional Institute of the College of William and Mary, Richmond, VA. In 1946 she received her Masters from Columbia School of Social Work (then known as the New York School of Social Work).

She retired after 19 years as a Clinical Social Worker for the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, MI.

Kathleen married William Schorger in 1973. William passed away in November 2003. She enjoyed reading, art, and traveling. She and her husband who predeceased her were world travelers.
 

52 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

Ed Ledoux tracked down an Edward E. Parent of the right age from New Orleans and even got the guy on the phone but he denied everything.

Ed has always been amazingly spot on....  wonder if he "denied" everything or was simple dumbfounded and had no idea what was being asked of him... if not the real Parent.

"Denial", like "I'm just a patsy" in my view, implies knowledge which innocent people don't possess.  

I'll take a look and see what shakes out...  thanks.

George W. Bakeman with his wife, Mollie, is hibernating at "The Oaks" in Hanover, Virginia. They have three children all married-Kathleen, 46, Beryl, 43 (born 1924), and Margaret, 36. There are 10 grandchildren ranging from 1 to 21, but no great-grandchildren. George has not any affiliations, but has various hobbies: cabinet work and gardening. 
 

BARUJ BENACERRAF - whose "friend of his" father was George Bakeman, also named his one daughter BERYL... suggests that his "friend" may have been Beryl Bakeman as in 1942 she would be 18, or maybe the older sister...  yet Beryl  Benacerraf becomes a doctor as well...

Guess it is indeed the same guy

Faculty George W. Bakeman of Richmond, Virginia, died on December 4. Mr. Bakeman served the Medical College of Virginia in many capacities: assistant president, director of MCV Hospital, personnel manager, acting and associate dean of medicine, student counselor, chairman of student loans and scholarships, and secretary of the Board of Visitors at MCV. He retired in 1959. Among the positions he held, before coming to MCV, was as administrator of the Rockefeller Foundation's Paris office.

BAKEMAN helps BARUJ get into the school... and BARUJ is a friend of BAKEMAN's child (M/F?). 
Can these be the same person?

The Rockefeller Foundation New York European Office
20, Rue de la Baume Selskar M. Gunn Paris (8e), France
George W. Bakeman, Administrator
Cable Address: Rockfound, Paris R. Letort, Comptroller Telephone: Élysées 92-08 S. S. Paris, July 28th 1939.

The first European country opened to the Church of the Brethren for relief work following World War II was France. The establishment of the Brethren Service program came about through the agreements made by the American Aid for France on the stateside, and the American Aid for France in France. On the stateside, there was a French woman as executive, and on the French side the executive secretary was Dr. George W. Bakeman of the Medical College of Virginia.

SCARAB: Official Organ of the Alumni Association of the Medical College of Virginia
George W. Bakeman, chairman of the Admissions Committee, reported that over the years it has been the policy of the Medical College of Virginia to keep in close touch with the premedical faculty in all colleges in Virginia, and during the past seven years he has made annual visits to Virginia colleges to meet with the faculties and discuss with them and with the students the problems of admission to medical school. Members of the Admissions Committee, it was stated, "are selected by the dean on the basis of their expressed interest in the problems related to this extremely difficult responsibility of selection, their interest in students throughout the medical course, and their disposition and ability to give the time necessary not only to regular meetings and discussions of policies, but also to interviews, which may amount to several hundred hours apiece Lloyd C. Bird P'17 Chairman for each member. There are eleven members on the committee. Two arc alumni. In answer to a question regarding whether any special factors are given consideration in weighing the applications of the children of alumni, the Dean of Medicine reported that since the application form does not call for this information, the Admissions Committee learns of such kin- ship only through interview questions, supporting letters and by chance. Mr. Bakeman added, "During my service as Chairman of the Admissions Committee I can say that there has been no application from a candidate known to be an alumnus' son which has not had more than average attention. This is not due to any specific written regulation or rule of the Admissions Committee, but rather to the fact that we all appreciate the interest of the alumni in the Medical College of Virginia and want to encourage it in every way possible. Our first responsibility, of course, is to Virginia students, and we believe that only those non-Virginians who have really superb averages and personal qualifications should be accepted. This inevitably handicaps the son of a non-Virginian alumnus when compared with a resident of this state. Those sons of Virginia alumni who have been rejected have been considered only after much discussion when it was obvious that their academic or personal qualifications fell markedly below the standards which we are applying to other Virginia students." "In this connection," Mr. Bakeman said, "one must always remember the recommendations from the premedical faculty are confidential and at times reveal information concerning the student's academic record and/or even character which is not ordinarily available, which cannot be divulged to the applicant, his parents, or an interested friend."

34 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

Have you checked Ancestry.com or anything like that? They have a ton of info and a ton of military records. You might also get lucky and find a Richmond city directory or something that would list all the Bakemans, etc. Ancestry has a good collection of pre-1960 directories online. 

I’ve been too busy to work on it for a while, but I’m having a similar problem tracking down a guy from New Orleans who by all indications appears to be a spook. I might make a thread today and see if anyone here can find anything. 

If you have a chance to check it out that would be great...  need to know who BAKEMAN's child friend to Baruj was....  Why do I think it will be William G Bakeman?

Who in New Orleans are you looking for?

Warren Weaver. Half a century ago, his Alice in Many Tongues: The Translations of “Alice in Wonderland” (1964)
https://www.oakknoll.com/resources/bookexcerpts/120410.pdf

In Weaver’s extensive discussion of the passage in different languages, the quality of the back-translators’ explanations obviously plays an important role. When he writes that “the Russian version is especially clever and sensitive” (p. 90), this is a judgment which can only be explained by the Russian re-translator, “Mrs. George W. Bakeman” (p. 80), having given an intelligent and comprehensive meta-commentary on what the Russian translator (Vladimir Nabokov) did in his translation.

Before long, as the IHD representatives were joined by those of the other RF divisions (plus the International Education Board and the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial), the need for larger quarters became apparent. Early in 1927 the Foundation purchased the two top floors of a newly constructed seven-story building at 20, rue de la Baume, a quiet street in the Eighth Arrondissement just off the Bou- levard Haussmann. From open terraces on the top floor, one could see the church of Sacre Coeur to the north and the cathedral of Notre Dame to the south. The decor, as planned by the office manager, George W. Bakeman, was quietly impressive but fell short of opulence. Carpeting salvaged from the preceding office was relaid in several rooms; floors were covered with a thick cork linoleum that, Bakeman explained, was “more sanitary and durable than a carpet” and “considerably cheaper.”

This appears to be a different BAKEMAN, no?

2 minutes ago, Paul Cummings said:

The guy on the left looks like Pres. Truman

Problem I'm having is this is also George W BAKEMAN in 1937 in Paris within the Rockefeller circle as office manager doing the decor, 22 years earlier...  same guy?

Enthusiasm appreciated...  It was BAKEMAN that got me re-interested...  And figuring whether this was just a made up name given, a real name/person, or what.

I did find a few things and while MR. GEORGE does not seem to be a doctor, there is no indication he was a Major in the Navy...  And 

AAMC:  EMERITUS MEMBERS The following individuals were voted into emeritus membership in the Association : Mr. George W. Bakeman, Medical College of Virginia

I'll continue the rest here:

A year later they relocated to New York, where Benacerraf took a two-year degree that qualified him to enter medical school. Finding a place proved hard for a Jewish-French-Hispanic foreigner and he received endless rejections. Fortunately, he had impressed George Bakeman, a friend's father who was assistant to the president of the medical college in Richmond, Virginia. 

17 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Kathlee passed away in 2019:

KATHLEE FITZGERALD Obituary (2019) - Pittsburgh, PA - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (legacy.com)

I think Bakeman was just a mistake and they meant Burkley.

I have a tough time with that conclusion since they name Burkley earlier (2nd) in the document.  Grouping him with McHugh seems strange as well... 

 he was Associate Dean of the Medical College of Virginia

https://archive.org/stream/scarab83aug1959medi/scarab83aug1959medi_djvu.txt 

Interim Committee, April 1, 1956, to February 1, 1957, composed of Dr. Erling S. Hegre, professor of anat- 
omy, George W. Bakeman, associate dean of medicine, and Dr. Wyndham B. Blanton, Jr., assistant to the dean, 
deserves great praise for strenuous work well done. Routine had grown, and there were many special problems as 
well. An interim committee does more extra work than most of us can realize. We are deeply indebted to such a 
committee as Doctor Hegre's. 

Interim Committee, 1946-1947.— This interim committee was headed by George W. Bakeman with Dr. James 
P. Baker and Dr. Harvey B. Haag as associates. Such a committee can sustain academic and administrative gains 
and deserves our continuing thanks. Mr. Bakeman's committee gave real leadership and was widely appreciated. 
This is typical of all of Mr. Bakeman's work with us since he came to MCV in 1941, richly prepared for a career 
here. 

Interim Committee, April 1, 1956, to February 1, 1957, composed of Dr. Erling S. Hegre, professor of anatomy, George W. Bakeman, associate dean of medicine, and Dr. Wyndham B. Blanton, Jr., assistant to the dean, 
deserves great praise for strenuous work well done. Routine had grown, and there were many special problems as 
well. An interim committee does more extra work than most of us can realize. We are deeply indebted to such a 
committee as Doctor Hegre's. 

The Philadelphia Chapter of the Alumni Association met on December 3 at the Hotel Warwick in Philadelphia. Dr. Philip London, 
the president of the Chapter, presided and made arrangements for the lovely dinner. 
Mr. George Bakeman, associate dean of the school of medicine, 
brought word to the group about activities of the College and the executive- 
secretary told them about the Alumni Association. 

Baruj Benacerraf

I was refused admission by the numerous medical schools I applied to and would have found it impossible to study medicine except for the kindness and support of George W. Bakeman, father of a close friend, who was then Assistant to the President of the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond

In every instance of this man's bio they only refer to Bakeman as "father of a close friend".  Also, the MAJOR is referred to as "William Bakeman" without the George... fwiw.

Need to find out who the child of BAKEMAN is... 

Been looking into the autopsy again...

There is a Military Doctor - Dr.GEORGE BATEMAN - who could not be located by the HSCA and does not appear in the WCR or WCDs... here is a nice thread on the man thanks to Kelly and Knight..  I don't think that was his real name FWIW, if he was indeed involved in changing JFK's wounds...

IDK, 

Could he have been the doctor who was in the autopsy room before all the other doctors, maybe he did some of the surgery to JFK's body prior to the arrival of the others...

Why would we accept that was his name if he was there doing something clandestine?  Like "Bill Smith" delivering the film to NPIC...  

https://search.archives.jdc.org/multimedia/Documents/NY_AR2132/00035/NY_AR2132_02513.pdf is a memo from "George W. Bateman" with no self reference as a doctor.. 

and this article re: the Red Cross calls him "MAJOR W Bakeman" without the George..

FWIW

https://geschichte-univie-ac-at.translate.goog/en/persons/george-w-bakeman?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

"The American Red Cross has done an extraordinary amount for the infant and other hospitals in the last two years. In the period from July 1921 to January 1922 alone, it spent the sum of 17 million French francs for Austria, of which a considerable amount, if part, which I also do not know exactly, was used for the university clinics. The American Red Cross, among other things - under the eager leadership of Major W. Bakeman - set up and funded one hundred baby welfare centers in Austria in the last year: Since the American Red Cross on June 1, 1922 concludes, as with the Society of Friends and the American Relief Administration, now would be a good time to express the university's gratitude in the form of a decoration of the boss:I apply accordingly for Major W. Bakeman - analogous toCaptain Gardner Richardson and Dr. Clark - the gold medal."Captain Gardner Richardson and Dr. Clark - the gold medal."

4 hours ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

Thanks, I did find your interesting article while going throught K and K a few weeks ago.

 

Thanks Jean...  glad you got something out of it...

BTW, it was FBI Agent ODUM who drives Lt. DAY and the Rifle Day has back to the DPD.

Then there is NAT PINKSTON... rarely mentioned and hardly known, he claims to have been the source of information related to finding where the rifle originated... on the 22nd.

FWIW

On 8/31/2022 at 7:10 PM, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

About the PO-box, I'm running in circles like a dog chasing his tail...

LHO usually used a fake address on the section 3 (special deliveries) for his Postbox-applications I believe ? 

For all I know that wouldn't be a problem (he did not have any special deliveries... ?).

Except for the time when he was alledgedly (I'm taking a stand) expecting his weapons to arrive. 

3/11 Dorothea Myers informs Hosty about Neely (so did JLH go to the postoffice to inform them on Neely ?)

3/12 order of the guns (coincidently 1 day after Dorothea...)

No we are still not sure because of the missing application

And what would the postoffice do when a special delivery comes in, but the sect 3 mentions a fake address, what would happen :

- back to sender ? 

- card in the PO box and package in the non-deliverable section where he can get it ?

- correct the address if they had one ?

Now linking to the mystery package, was Nassaustr one of LHO's fake adresses he had used in an PO box applic. sect. 3 ?
Well,  how did Dorothea know.... I see no other option but Oswald having told the Postoffice (seen what he was expecting to arrive) an adj. the applic.

And God knows on what PO box applic. perhaps Nassaustr was mentioned, do we even know if we have all of his PO boxes.

UNLESS he knew what the post-office would do in case of a fake adress for spec.deliveries with a PO-box, 

and as such knew he could pick it up where the Postoffice told him it would end up (the railway station or whatever...)

 

Anyway, way too much assumptions without certain documents that are still lost or gone.   But I'm affraid Dorothea somehow  left nothing behind on paper (except Hosty taking notes... bases on reality or not...), there is something strange about that contact, just one day before the 3/12.   If Oswald wasn't doing it, well somebody did it for him (and even before him one could say....), and Hosty would have had a major part in it (if so)

 

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-the-carbine-on-the-6th-floor

A very detailed presentation I did in Dallas a few years back (2019) about the rifle with a nice section on what happens at the post office...

(First off, if you actually believe the evidence that suggests OSWALD ordered, paid for, was shipped, rec'd, and/or acquired "that" rifle you probably wont be happy with the article... one of the concrete facts of the case is that Oswald never had anything to do with "that" rifle... or the rifle which becomes a WCR exhibit)

I hope the ppt slides are worthwhile for those who take the time...  the notes for each slide is printed underneath them.

I do have a question as well...  what do you suppose happened to the 5 foot cardboard shipping container labeled FIREARMS which would have been a decent place to house the weapon as well as move it from Neely to French street to Magazine to Irving and then to the TSBD ?  

On 11/11/2022 at 1:13 PM, John Kennedy White said:

I remember seeing a map that shows where everyone was located at the time of the shooting in Dealey Plaza on this forum years ago but I can't find it through search.

It was a meticulously detailed image with multi-colored texts and lines showing the witnesses in exact locations.

I could really use this for my trip there next week to take photos from key locations.

https://www.history-matters.com/analysis/witness/index.htm

This may have been what you are looking for John...   click a name and it shows you what they said and where they were...

If not, it is still a decent resource

DJ

On 1/15/2022 at 1:01 PM, Chris Davidson said:

OTOH,

Using a similar piece of footage might accomplish the same effect.

You know how I hate to disagree with you Chris...  if you follow that "shadow" back a few frames you can see it is simply part of HARGIS... continue a few frames and it becomes even more obvious..  

Appears to be him from the waist down with his motorcycle causing the shape distortions as he moves...

I'd show you but am out of space...  start at z190 and move thru and you'll see what I mean...

Always much respect for your work Chris...

DJ

That's really great Jamey...  it is an amazing experience...

The walk across the RR yard where Bowers was in the tower was something....

Take a zillion photos.. you'll want to look carefully at them all.

DJ.  Yes, for more propaganda than you can shake a stick at, take the tour...  you'll start believing that maybe he really did do it... if you look at nothing else.

12 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

The "evidence" has been dealt with on this forum for more than a decade and this asinine theory has been authoritatively debunked here and elsewhere - so much so that even Jim Hargrove has taken his toys and run away.

Telling us what you've heard thru the grapevine is not the same as presenting evidence which refutes the key data.

You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know Jon...  so rather than actually read a book or dig into a situation you give us the lame "has been debunked here and elsewhere" with no links, no thought, no analysis.. just you spouting off another opinion based on what others have written...  cause y'know, doing your own work and presenting your own conclusions would require patience and some critical thinking.

I know what Tracey, Greg, and a handful of others SAY, but what they ultimately offer as persuasion falls woefully short in terms of supporting evidence...  "Why would they..."  "How can you believe..."   "here is an alternative which fits this one case but cannot address the hundreds of others...

Look up Allen Felde JC...  DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BEING AN ARMCHAIR QB..  Here, I'll even get you started.

When done with him, try John Ely next...  then you come post something from your own thoughts which debunks the lives of 2 men in the marines becoming one...

You make this so easy Jon it's quite pathetic.  But please, if you have to lift a finger, burn a brain cell or read an article be careful.. wouldn't want to strain your little world with you pretending to be a grown-up who can think for himself, research for himself and come to conclusions all on his own...

"Authoritatively" - how would you know they were an authority if you don't know anything about the subject matter?

Luckily there is a BLOCK feature in this forum the allows us to turn off the volume of those with nothing more than an opinion and an a-hole to offer.

Hey, really great talking with you JC... poster child for uninformed consent...  just keep nodding, Tracey will pat you on the head shortly.

22 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

Oh no problem at all. The rifle trace investigation is an important topic that needs more people looking into it. It’s not as exciting as other topics, and the evidence is dense, archaic and contradictory as hell, but the WC did not provide anything even remotely close to an accurate account of what really happened so digging through this stuff is necessary to get a complete history of the assassination. 

You could got to Kennedysandking.com and read a couple of indepth papers I did on the subject...  or you can read an even more indepth look in H&L.

I also gave a PPT in Dallas a few years back with a very detailed look at the Italian rifles, their parts, and the lies of the DPD/FBI, et al.

PM me your email and I can send it to you if you'd like. This is but a small slice of the conspiracy to implicate Oswald

On 8/8/2022 at 10:40 AM, Gil Jesus said:

According to the ad:

C20T751 was 108 rounds of ammo with a six-shot clip.

C20T750 was the rifle, which came with the clip.

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/kleins-ad-36.jpg

Again Gil...  hate to disagree yet the C20-T750

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/kleins-ad-36.jpg 36" carbine with 4x scope did NOT include a clip which was why there being one created such a problem as to its origin, the jamming or not in the rifle and even its existence on the 6th floor, like the bag, never photographed where found.

And considering this rifle was supposedly unassembled, we have him loading a 6-shot clip with only 4 bullets while not leaving a single fingerprint on brass... good trick!

1 hour ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

The way to "deal with" it is to accept that there never were two Oswalds, and that the notion of two Oswalds running amok in Dealey Plaza is absolutely preposterous.

Whatever you say JC...  a-holes and opinions, everybody's got one.  Now all you have to do is deal with the evidence, your opinion, like your other singularity, has little meaning here.  

21 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

This isn’t accurate David. See my comments on Gil’s other thread. Feldsott’s slips say “office copy” and Waldman’s say “customers invoice” - it’s just that Waldman’s were the only ones made a WC Exhibit:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62321#relPageId=9

I have a lot more to add to this thread when I get home later today, including a few documents on the Century arms angle that have never been online. 

What are your thoughts on the Italian manifest showing C(?) - 2765 instead of 66?