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On 12/14/2019 at 5:00 PM, Jim Hargrove said:
To anyone still interested in looking into John Gardos as a possible candidate for Harvey Oswald....
A couple of days ago, I sent the following question to the NYC Public Library:
Can you tell me what public elementary school a child would have attended in
1946 if he was born in 1939 and lived at 217 E. 86th St. in Manhattan?A few minutes ago I received the following answer:
On that same website if you scroll down from the 1930 Manhattan map, they offer a 1955-56 map.
PS 30 still exists on the 1955/56 map at 230 E 88th
PS 151 at 1761 1st Ave and 91st street is literally around the corner from the PIC apartment and there in 1955
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3 hours ago, John Butler said:
The left arm and shoulder are unnatural and can not be explained any other way. No other serviceman has such a deformity. The left side of the Oswald figure is Harvey and the right side is Lee. I base this on the idea that Lee was bigger and huskier than Harvey.
OK John... if you look at that image closely you can see it's a photo of a photo taken at an angle as it sits on a table...
At the top left you can see the edge of the actual photo being photographed... the angle creates a skewing of the image
Here is the same thing un-skewed.... not perfect but much closer to the actual original image than what you posted....
As I said, image manipulation was only done IF NECESSARY... and how many times do you suppose images of Lee and Harvey would ever actually be seen together?
They wouldn't....
The very last image of LEE is his PASSPORT PHOTO from 1959, under the image of Lee you posted....
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7 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:
My point is, then, that the forms came from a stationery company, and were not necessarily uniform in appearance. If you could find some old book or website detailing the legal standards for W-2 forms, then, that would go some distance towards convincing people Judyth's form is bogus.
I did that Pat.... anything not printed by the IRS must meet some strict guidelines... but yes they can be used instead of the IRS printed forms....
Point being these are not station store printed items... and she should have sent in COPY B with her return.... she did it correctly with the other W-2 from 1963.....
Just not for REILY.... what a surprise
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Then there is the fact this "FORM" has an ID which also does not match any known IRS forms:
Y'know, just sayin'
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2 minutes ago, David Andrews said:
But, dog gone it...she did work at Reilly's coffee during Lee's time there, and she was hired and let go at just about the same times Lee was
Really?
Dave, then why does she offer the IRS copy "B" of her W-2 (instead of Copy C which everyone else gets to keep) and
does not match a single W-2 ever sent to anyone?There is not a single W-2 where the person's name is ABOVE the dollar amounts.... not even the State version.... and the REILY W-2 comes from a carbon book which shows what is underneath and how off this top copy really is....
Notice how the bleedthru carbon copy is offset to the right since the top page was moved to the left (see holes at the right)
- Copy B
- Top page "up and to the left" yet Carbon copy bleed text is also higher than the writing on the top sheet when it should be lower based on where the holes are
- Cover jobs were supposedly facilitated by George Smathers - there is no reason to believe she ever worked or even spent time at REILY given she was supposed to be working at the Oschner clinic with Mary Sherman every day....
FWIW
DJ
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3 minutes ago, John Butler said:
This brings up another problem the differences in rank between Lee Oswald (PFC) and Harvey (PVT) in the fall of 1956. This could mean that Lee entered the Marine Corps as much as six months earlier than Harvey. Harvey doesn't get to be a PFC until the following year, if my memory serves, in May of 1957. It is another foundation block in the story of Harvey and Lee.
You make some interesting points and some good observations John... thanks...
Yet I don't think activity at this late a date has much to do with the addition of a NY Hungarian to the mix....
The "6-month" period you discuss dovetails directly into this statement from GORSKY... Instead of Sept 11, 1959... 6 months earlier is MARCH 1959:
In the spring of 1959 Major William P Gorsky was the Assistant Provost Marshall at the Marine Corps Air Station at El Toro. According to Gorsky's files LEE Oswald had been arrested for hitch hiking and was discharged from the marines in March, 1959. Once again the FBI and Warren Commission avoided this problem by simply failing to conduct a proper investigation and failing to obtain Oswald's discharge papers from Major Gorsky. Their refusal to investigate LEE Oswald in El Toro, or interview Marines who knew him, is another very important "smoking gun."
Yet at the same time, as you admit, there are some misstatements:
18 minutes ago, John Butler said:However, the number 0-61-30 does not apply to a Military Occupational Speciality.
No it doesn't and for good reason... more importantly, it does not say "RADAR" Operator....
Occupational guide : job description for radio operator I 0-61.30, United States Employment Service, United States Department of Labor
0-61.30 refers specifically to "Gov service".... what you seem to have missed was what it says in the box near 0-61.30:
"Related Civilian Occupation"
and the related Military Specialties in the 6700 series:
6700 Basic Air Control/Anti-Air Warfare Man
6711 Air Traffic Controller-Tower Trainee
6712 Air Traffic Controller-Tower
6721 Air Traffic Controller-Radar Trainee
6722 Air Traffic Controller-Radar
6724 Air Traffic Controller
6741 Aviation Electronics Operator
6751 Air Control/Anti-Air Warfare Operator, Trainee
6752 Redeye Gunner
6753 HAWK Missile System Operator
6754 Anti-Air Warfare Batteryman
6755 System, Air Control Electronics Operator, Manual
6756 System, Air Control Electronics Operator, Automated
6757 Air Support Operations Operator
6758 Air Controller, Automated Systems
6759 Supervisor, Air Command, Control and Defense System
6781 Airborne Radio Operator, Trainee
6782 Airborne Radio Operator
6785 Aerial Navigator, Trainee
6786 Aerial Navigator
6788 Airborne Electronic Countermeasures OperatorAlso - the course THEY claim he took is for AIRCRAFT EARLY WARNING - and not aircraft mechanic
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1 minute ago, John Butler said:
It is not Harvey or Lee. It is a composite of both
I really wish you wouldn't come to absolute conclusions and then offer them as such John....
Until you can actually PROVE an image has been altered, your track record in coming to conclusions regarding images is pretty poor....
I'm not going to get into it with you now... but the image and anomaly you describe are not signs of alteration...
BTW - if you look at his Marine record - it state4s he was an aircraft MECHANIC, not a radar operator...
JA shows how the courses he took where slightly different than the courses Harvey did.... but please take a moment BEFORE your image alteration conclusions to consider what you're saying... and why.
Thanks
DJ -
I'm quite anti-Facebook... yet I guess if one puts things out there, one takes one chances.... so it's up to you...
Back to the subject....
WHO do you think are the likely candidates for those who would kill the caller if given her NAME...?
I get the impression she's more afraid of the Communists than the US government...
Plus, by process of elimination we should be able to narrow down who could have even known about Oswald's father and uncle... maybe look for other GARDOS children born from 1935 to 1942 or so... ?
Also the process of her finding out about Dallas Tippit and deciding to find M/M Jack Tippit in CT... where does one get the info on the OTHER Tippit's?
Interesting how GOSSI and this Jack Tippit are both artists/cartoonists fwiw....
So who, living in NYC Nov 1963 would have known about the Oswald doubling in the 40's AND know about the relationship... and spoke with an accent....
Would Fred Blair have told his wife Mary? They did disappear for most of the 40's... right?
DJ
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John... you might be a bit more mindful of other people’s privacy....
I realize the posted the photo on Facebook yet reposting their family, with children, seems to me unnecessary and a bit of an invasion of their privacy....
FWIW...
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the woman said FATHER & UNCLE - So, who were Emil's brothers? And NAOMI BLAIR, Fred's sister is also a decent candidate for the caller, no?
The correspondence of the 1960's and 1970's is dominated by exchanges with Blair's sister Naomi and his sister and brother-in-law Grace and Emil Gardos who resided in Hungary, though there are numerous exchanges concerning political conditions in Wisconsin throughout.
Summary InformationTitle: Fred and Mary Keith Blair Papers
Inclusive Dates: 1923-1994
Creators:- Blair, Fred Bassett, 1906-
- Blair, Mary Keith
Quantity: 3.2 c.f. (7 archives boxes), 1 tape recording, and 1 film
Repository:
Archival Locations:Wisconsin Historical Society (Map)
Abstract:Papers of a leader of the Wisconsin Communist Party, mainly consisting of correspondence, writings, biographical material, and subject files. Biographical material includes transcripts of two taped interviews (one of the tapes is in the collection) dealing with his views on politics and the Vietnam War and a film of a Great American Dream Machine (WNET-TV) episode based on his life. Correspondence, 1941-1979, is incomplete although it provides a picture of some party concerns. The later files are dominated by exchanges with a sister residing in Hungary. Writings, 1934-1979, include poetry and copies of speeches, articles, and press releases, many apparently written in behalf of the party. Of the subject files, the material on the Wisconsin Communist Party is most valuable. Here are included materials issued by the party which are not identified as having been written by Blair and clippings pertaining to the Wisconsin Gentile League and an advertisement placed in some Wisconsin newspapers.
Language: English
URL to cite for this finding aid: http://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/wiarchives.uw-whs-mss00234 -
From October, 1962 to April, 1963, Lee Oswald worked at a graphic arts company based in Dallas, Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.
According to Stovall’s (the "S" of JCS) testimony, his company did classified work for the US government. “We are cleared through the Navy Bureau Materiel here, although I believe it now has been incorporated under the Department of Defense as a single unit…
I don't think we need to look to the FBI for how Grossi got into JCS but rather ONI, DoD,
wasn't the Cuban Missile crisis October 1962, the month Oswald starts?Cuban Missile Crisis: October 16, 1962 – October 28, 1962... I believe he started work a week or so previous as his first check was Oct 17th....
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9 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
It's gotta be the FBI!
That's kinda what I mean... the FBI is not a person whose name you'd know....
JCS was a CIA affiliated location, not FBI.... yet it's an FBI report that states DeMohrenschildt's daughter and husband - the TAYLOR's - help Oswald move Marina from staying in Ft Worth at "Mrs. JOHN / ELENA/ HALL" Did I miss something? Wasn't Marina at the Paine's by then?
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21 minutes ago, John Butler said:
I haven't a clue about Fred's wife or wifes? He has a different wife here- Elizabeth A Smith. Although Fred's name is not here this info fits him.
There were like 10 children, why couldn't this have been one of his brothers?
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8 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
And why would the FBI put Grossi at JCS in early 1963?
Paul... in his section in the HSCA he has FBI reports regarding his ongoing criminal activity thru 1975...
what gives you the impression he "worked" for the FBI - I either missed it or didn't follow.... thx
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1239&sort=date&page=2
193. NO TITLE, SUBJECTS: EVID, LTR, FPT, HWD, JCGR, INTV, MITCHELL, ROBERT LEE
RIF#: 124-10208-10297 (01/30/75) FBI#: 88-61118-26194. NO TITLE, SUBJECTS: JCGR, FUG, APPREHENDED, BURBANK, CA
RIF#: 124-10208-10298 (04/12/75) FBI#: 88-61118-27 -
On 12/11/2019 at 10:51 AM, Paul Jolliffe said:
Because these are restricted files, I can't tell if any of them are duplicates. Even so, this guy has FBI files that are off limits from the mid 1960's, at least.
Why? Did the FBI recruit him as an informant, a source, a "PCI", a contact, or whatever the hell they call their guys? Why are they still hidden?
It is still mighty curious that Grossi was of such intense interest that his unknown benefactor from the WWII era had such clout that he could get him a job in a national security sensitive firm in 1963, right alongside our man "Oswald"!
FWIW https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=137447#relPageId=2&tab=page
JOHN CAESAR GROSSI (heavily redacted)
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Photo of Fred Bassett BLAIR - 1961
Again... why not Fred's wife Mary.... and what was her maiden name?
(EDIT: give thought to 87th and 2nd ave, not 77th.... I think the FBI is playing games with us on that....- DJ)
1 hour ago, David Josephs said:In the mid-1950s, Blair and his wife resurfaced in Milwaukee and opened a bookstore at 1010 W. North Ave. (The Sentinel's headline, on March 14, 1956, read "Commie Bookshop Back in Business.") The store moved several times before ending up on Juneau Ave.
FRED BASSETT BLAIR was married to MARY, owner of Mary's bookstore: and was very much alive and well in Milwaukee in 1961.
EMIL GARDOS was MARY BLAIR's BROTHER-IN-LAW.... Could the caller have been Fred's wife, MARY BLAIR???In testimony before a House subcommittee in March 1965, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover listed eight "major communist bookstores operating in the United States at this time." Among them, The Milwaukee Journal reported on May 18, 1965, was Mary's Book Shop, 318 W. Juneau Ave.
Mary's was operated by Fred Bassett Blair, the longtime chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party. Blair's wife, Mary, was the owner of the secondhand book shop
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1 hour ago, John Butler said:
The only other thing of interest for Fred is that his wife was named Naomi.
I beg to differ John... Now, what was Mary's maiden name?
Bookstore made FBI chief see 'Red'
Chris Foran, Milwaukee Journal SentinelPublished 8:30 a.m. CT Jan. 17, 2017 | Updated 6:55 p.m. CT Jan. 17, 2017
(Photo: Milwaukee Journal)
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In 1965, the nation's top cop labeled a tiny Milwaukee bookstore a Red menace, putting both in the headlines — and, a year later, the bookstore's operator in peril.
In testimony before a House subcommittee in March 1965, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover listed eight "major communist bookstores operating in the United States at this time." Among them, The Milwaukee Journal reported on May 18, 1965, was Mary's Book Shop, 318 W. Juneau Ave.
Mary's was operated by Fred Bassett Blair, the longtime chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party. Blair's wife, Mary, was the owner of the secondhand book shop.
Fred Blair, Hoover testified, also was one of five communist speakers at an anti-Vietnam War protest earlier that year at the University of Wisconsin in Madison.
"The major lesson to be learned from all this is that the communists and their supporters in this country are not a weak, insignificant element on the American scene," Hoover testified. "The wave of demonstrations which erupted on a national scale immediately following news of the United States' counterstrike against communist forces in Vietnam demonstrates how unified, organized and powerful an element the communist movement in the United States is today."
A photo of the book shop's front window, also published in The Journal May 18, revealed a pretty non-revolutionary selection: the Perry Mason novel "The Case of the Shapely Shadow," by Erle Stanley Gardner; Reader's Digest collections; a book about Harriet Tubman.
Fred Bassett Blair, longtime chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party, ran Mary's Book Shop in downtown Milwaukee. (Photo: Journal Sentinel files)
Milwaukee Sentinel reporter William Janz checked out the store himself, only to find the door locked and a sign reading "Back in 15 Minutes."
"After waiting for a half-hour … a man approached and said, 'You looking for Fred? He's at Reuter's," Janz wrote, in a story published May 19, 1965.
Janz found Blair at Reuter's, a nearby tavern.
"Just having a beer," Blair told Janz as they walked back to his store. "Business is dead. If this is one of the major communist bookstores, it must be kind of bad for the minor ones."
Janz spent more than an hour at the store, during which only one person came into the store, giving Blair plenty of time to talk.
"I bet if I opened a grocery, the FBI would come peeking around the oranges," Blair said. "Hoover would say that Fred Bassett Blair had opened a grocery store and there was communist propaganda under the onions. …
"Sure, I carry Marxist literature. It's 10% of my stock. … I count myself a Marxist and a communist, but this is not a communist bookstore in the sense that is owned by the Communist Party."
Actually, Blair's political activities had put him in the headlines often over the previous 35 years. When he was jailed in a protest in 1930, rallies were held calling for his release. He ran for statewide office several times, wrote poems (some of which were published in The Journal) — and, in 1951, at the height of the Red Scare, disappeared, along with his wife, for several years.
In the mid-1950s, Blair and his wife resurfaced in Milwaukee and opened a bookstore at 1010 W. North Ave. (The Sentinel's headline, on March 14, 1956, read "Commie Bookshop Back in Business.") The store moved several times before ending up on Juneau Ave.
A year after Hoover identified Mary's Book Shop as a "major" communist bookstore, a 17-year-old from Brookfield came into the store gunning for Blair.
According to a story in The Journal's "Final" page on Nov. 28, 1966, the teenager asked if he was Blair and pulled out a pistol. While Blair ducked under the counter, Ralph Sacks, a book salesman who was at the store, tried to get the gun away from the teenager and was wounded. Blair re-emerged with a small baseball bat and hit his assailant over the head several times before he dropped the gun.
Blair told the Sentinel in a story published the next day that he asked the youth who had sent him.
" 'Nobody sent me,' Blair quoted the youth. 'It was all my idea. You're a communist. I want to kill a communist.' "
The youth was later ruled mentally ill and sent to the state hospital in Winnebago for treatment.
Fred Bassett Blair is shown in Mary's Book Shop in Milwaukee in this 1964 photo. (Photo: ALLAN Y. SCOTT / Milwaukee Journal)
Blair ended up closing Mary's Book Shop in the summer of 1969 — not because of political harassment, but because freeway projects had taken away most of the neighborhood surrounding the store.
In 1977, Blair and his wife won $48,000 from the FBI, after suing the agency for its surveillance activities in the early 1960s. Mary Blair died in 1992; Fred Blair died in 2005, at age 98.
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The 217 E 86th address for Emil and AMALIA is from 1948/49...
At one of the previous links about a congressional inquiry it provided lists a whole group of suspected Communists including Emil and AMALIA
My understanding is that Emil leaves the USA (with Grace?) leaving the son John behind with ?????
John Pic when LEE and Marge arrive is living at 325 E 92nd St.... It appears LEE and mom are at the Pic's until the move to Sheridan....
Given the FBI's proclivity to "adjust" evidence as it suited them... isn't it more likely the caller said 2nd and 87th, not 77th, since 217 E 86th is
virtuallyliterally around the corner?
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/2nd+Ave+%26+E+87th+St,+New+York,+NY+10128/217+East+86th+Street,+New+York,+NY/@40.7762664,-73.9499794,508a,35y,307.88h,26.4t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c258bb1a4fff4b:0xdfaef480bfd9a58b!2m2!1d-73.9512744!2d40.7785628!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c258bb6f8d2b77:0x854e1df57e00ef69!2m2!1d-73.9529045!2d40.7786199!3e2?hl=enhttps://www.google.com/maps/@40.7778303,-73.9516386,3a,75y,351.57h,99.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz40YkTclmowtmn9_jW39fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en is the view from 86th and 2nd with 217 to the left and 87th/2nd to the right....
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Moving on... A pupil's Personnel and permanent record should simply be ADDED TO, not repeatedly changed over time...
The middle copy represents the first NYC public school semester at PS1172130 Watson (Lutheran School) is not the school's address but the address of a duplex across the street.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8295333,-73.8523738,3a,75y,176.82h,90.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slWsnXysmqm44aFMc5HjiaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=enYOUTH HOUSE is not mentioned and for some reason we have the completed records on the left and right looking like handwritten copies of each other yet on different forms but for the same child.... the backs of these forms exhibit the same thing CE1384
From my POV - something drastic changes between Sept 52 and May 1953... It's as if LEE has become a completely different person, a complete opposite of the boy in 6th grade in terms of demeanor, size, intelligence, etc....
The record below is a composite of 2 children - there are not 109 + 15 days of possible schooling between March 23 and the end of the semester.... when there are 180-190 days in EACH FULL SEMESTER of school which would have started in January or early February....
So.... "SHE COULD NOT GIVE HER NAME FOR FEAR OF BEING KILLED" suggesting her name was so telling to the relationship between Oswald and Hungarian Communists it would put her in peril but from WHO? FBI? Communists? CIA?
FRED BASSETT BLAIR was married to MARY, owner of Mary's bookstore: and was very much alive and well in Milwaukee in 1961.
EMIL GARDOS was MARY BLAIR's BROTHER-IN-LAW.... Could the caller have been Fred's wife, MARY BLAIR???In testimony before a House subcommittee in March 1965, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover listed eight "major communist bookstores operating in the United States at this time." Among them, The Milwaukee Journal reported on May 18, 1965, was Mary's Book Shop, 318 W. Juneau Ave.
Mary's was operated by Fred Bassett Blair, the longtime chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party. Blair's wife, Mary, was the owner of the secondhand book shop
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44 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:
217 E. 86th St. and 325 E. 92nd St. certainly are a short walk apart. But for PS155 in Manhattan I’m getting this school: P.S. 155 William Paca.
421 E 88th St, New York, NY 10128 Is PS151. My bad, sorry.... not 155.... -
Last but not least....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12_RY1gCeKH2beGqLSySuJNSugJlWIRvu/view?usp=sharing is a link to an article from MADISON WISC describing how
LEE OSWALD, LIFEGUARD saves a child from drowning in 1961 while Harvey is in MINSK. -
1 hour ago, John Butler said:
I have found nothing connecting the Gardos or Fred Blair to 77th Street and 2nd Avenue.
A thought.... the address is much more Jewish than Hungarian... Ruby made a few comments along those lines...
I wouldn't put too much stock in that address as being too meaningful....
Again... If Grace and Emil leave the country without John... who is AMALIA GARDOS living where Emil lived?
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On 12/10/2019 at 2:13 PM, John Butler said:
This means Harvey may have been somewhere else for the period 1945-1946 and 1946-1947.
Or is actually 2 years younger than the documentation claims for the real LEE Oswald
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The 1940 census for Ironwood, Gogebic Co, MI:
GARDOS, Emil age 34 b. Hungary, occupation Pressman/Newspaper
wife Grace age 29 b. WI
son John age 1 b. MI
They listed their residence in 1935 as Manhattan, NYI should add that this is listed in genealogy.com under the FRED & NAOMI BLAIR entry
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On 12/1/2019 at 7:34 AM, Jim Hargrove said:
Anyone have any ideas about where to go from here?
QuoteJohn K: As I originally discovered a few days ago (and immediately posted), our "Oswald" had taken the time and expense to buy an awfully obscure book: Tibor Kajan's "Circus Maximus", a collection of political cartoons from a dedicated Hungarian Communist Jew, a man who received multiple Kossuth award nominations
Is it possible he had this book all along - that he never BOUGHT it but had it as a family heirloom?
And what about AMALIA GARDOS? Could that be EMIL's sister taking care of JOHN when Grace and Emil leave?
(It's Grace {Fred BLAIR's sister} Gardos btw, so AMALIA is still a mystery) EDIT: IS AMALIA Grace's middle name?Furthermore, the town where JOHN GARDOS was born in 1940, is literally on the Michigan/Wisconsin border...
And finally, Fred BASSETT BLAIR's mother's FULL NAME was - Mary AMALIA/AMELIA BASSETT
So Grace BLAIR marries Emil GARDOS yet we have an AMALIA GARDOS living at 217 E 86th - same address as Grace and Emil....
217 E 86th and 325 E 92nd (Pic's apartment) are only blocks from each other with PS155 Yorkville Community School also just blocks away....
(Pic claimed that Lee went to a nearby school but did not like it - he seems to have been off by a street as PS155 is east of 1st on 88th.)Who, exactly, was AMALIA GARDOS?
Mr. PIC - No, sir; my mother did. I think this is a public school in New York City located on about 89th, 90th Street between Third Avenue and Second Avenue. Lee didn't like this school. I didn't much blame him.
Oliver Stone and Judyth Baker
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Just making sure those reading here are not accidentally swayed into thinking there's more to that mountain than the mole hill it is...