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From October, 1962 to April, 1963, Lee Oswald worked at a graphic arts company based in Dallas, Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.
According to Stovall’s (the "S" of JCS) testimony, his company did classified work for the US government. “We are cleared through the Navy Bureau Materiel here, although I believe it now has been incorporated under the Department of Defense as a single unit…
I don't think we need to look to the FBI for how Grossi got into JCS but rather ONI, DoD,
wasn't the Cuban Missile crisis October 1962, the month Oswald starts?Cuban Missile Crisis: October 16, 1962 – October 28, 1962... I believe he started work a week or so previous as his first check was Oct 17th....
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9 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
It's gotta be the FBI!
That's kinda what I mean... the FBI is not a person whose name you'd know....
JCS was a CIA affiliated location, not FBI.... yet it's an FBI report that states DeMohrenschildt's daughter and husband - the TAYLOR's - help Oswald move Marina from staying in Ft Worth at "Mrs. JOHN / ELENA/ HALL" Did I miss something? Wasn't Marina at the Paine's by then?
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21 minutes ago, John Butler said:
I haven't a clue about Fred's wife or wifes? He has a different wife here- Elizabeth A Smith. Although Fred's name is not here this info fits him.
There were like 10 children, why couldn't this have been one of his brothers?
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8 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
And why would the FBI put Grossi at JCS in early 1963?
Paul... in his section in the HSCA he has FBI reports regarding his ongoing criminal activity thru 1975...
what gives you the impression he "worked" for the FBI - I either missed it or didn't follow.... thx
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1239&sort=date&page=2
193. NO TITLE, SUBJECTS: EVID, LTR, FPT, HWD, JCGR, INTV, MITCHELL, ROBERT LEE
RIF#: 124-10208-10297 (01/30/75) FBI#: 88-61118-26194. NO TITLE, SUBJECTS: JCGR, FUG, APPREHENDED, BURBANK, CA
RIF#: 124-10208-10298 (04/12/75) FBI#: 88-61118-27 -
On 12/11/2019 at 10:51 AM, Paul Jolliffe said:
Because these are restricted files, I can't tell if any of them are duplicates. Even so, this guy has FBI files that are off limits from the mid 1960's, at least.
Why? Did the FBI recruit him as an informant, a source, a "PCI", a contact, or whatever the hell they call their guys? Why are they still hidden?
It is still mighty curious that Grossi was of such intense interest that his unknown benefactor from the WWII era had such clout that he could get him a job in a national security sensitive firm in 1963, right alongside our man "Oswald"!
FWIW https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=137447#relPageId=2&tab=page
JOHN CAESAR GROSSI (heavily redacted)
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Photo of Fred Bassett BLAIR - 1961
Again... why not Fred's wife Mary.... and what was her maiden name?
(EDIT: give thought to 87th and 2nd ave, not 77th.... I think the FBI is playing games with us on that....- DJ)
1 hour ago, David Josephs said:In the mid-1950s, Blair and his wife resurfaced in Milwaukee and opened a bookstore at 1010 W. North Ave. (The Sentinel's headline, on March 14, 1956, read "Commie Bookshop Back in Business.") The store moved several times before ending up on Juneau Ave.
FRED BASSETT BLAIR was married to MARY, owner of Mary's bookstore: and was very much alive and well in Milwaukee in 1961.
EMIL GARDOS was MARY BLAIR's BROTHER-IN-LAW.... Could the caller have been Fred's wife, MARY BLAIR???In testimony before a House subcommittee in March 1965, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover listed eight "major communist bookstores operating in the United States at this time." Among them, The Milwaukee Journal reported on May 18, 1965, was Mary's Book Shop, 318 W. Juneau Ave.
Mary's was operated by Fred Bassett Blair, the longtime chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party. Blair's wife, Mary, was the owner of the secondhand book shop
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1 hour ago, John Butler said:
The only other thing of interest for Fred is that his wife was named Naomi.
I beg to differ John... Now, what was Mary's maiden name?
Bookstore made FBI chief see 'Red'
Chris Foran, Milwaukee Journal SentinelPublished 8:30 a.m. CT Jan. 17, 2017 | Updated 6:55 p.m. CT Jan. 17, 2017
(Photo: Milwaukee Journal)
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In 1965, the nation's top cop labeled a tiny Milwaukee bookstore a Red menace, putting both in the headlines — and, a year later, the bookstore's operator in peril.
In testimony before a House subcommittee in March 1965, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover listed eight "major communist bookstores operating in the United States at this time." Among them, The Milwaukee Journal reported on May 18, 1965, was Mary's Book Shop, 318 W. Juneau Ave.
Mary's was operated by Fred Bassett Blair, the longtime chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party. Blair's wife, Mary, was the owner of the secondhand book shop.
Fred Blair, Hoover testified, also was one of five communist speakers at an anti-Vietnam War protest earlier that year at the University of Wisconsin in Madison.
"The major lesson to be learned from all this is that the communists and their supporters in this country are not a weak, insignificant element on the American scene," Hoover testified. "The wave of demonstrations which erupted on a national scale immediately following news of the United States' counterstrike against communist forces in Vietnam demonstrates how unified, organized and powerful an element the communist movement in the United States is today."
A photo of the book shop's front window, also published in The Journal May 18, revealed a pretty non-revolutionary selection: the Perry Mason novel "The Case of the Shapely Shadow," by Erle Stanley Gardner; Reader's Digest collections; a book about Harriet Tubman.
Fred Bassett Blair, longtime chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party, ran Mary's Book Shop in downtown Milwaukee. (Photo: Journal Sentinel files)
Milwaukee Sentinel reporter William Janz checked out the store himself, only to find the door locked and a sign reading "Back in 15 Minutes."
"After waiting for a half-hour … a man approached and said, 'You looking for Fred? He's at Reuter's," Janz wrote, in a story published May 19, 1965.
Janz found Blair at Reuter's, a nearby tavern.
"Just having a beer," Blair told Janz as they walked back to his store. "Business is dead. If this is one of the major communist bookstores, it must be kind of bad for the minor ones."
Janz spent more than an hour at the store, during which only one person came into the store, giving Blair plenty of time to talk.
"I bet if I opened a grocery, the FBI would come peeking around the oranges," Blair said. "Hoover would say that Fred Bassett Blair had opened a grocery store and there was communist propaganda under the onions. …
"Sure, I carry Marxist literature. It's 10% of my stock. … I count myself a Marxist and a communist, but this is not a communist bookstore in the sense that is owned by the Communist Party."
Actually, Blair's political activities had put him in the headlines often over the previous 35 years. When he was jailed in a protest in 1930, rallies were held calling for his release. He ran for statewide office several times, wrote poems (some of which were published in The Journal) — and, in 1951, at the height of the Red Scare, disappeared, along with his wife, for several years.
In the mid-1950s, Blair and his wife resurfaced in Milwaukee and opened a bookstore at 1010 W. North Ave. (The Sentinel's headline, on March 14, 1956, read "Commie Bookshop Back in Business.") The store moved several times before ending up on Juneau Ave.
A year after Hoover identified Mary's Book Shop as a "major" communist bookstore, a 17-year-old from Brookfield came into the store gunning for Blair.
According to a story in The Journal's "Final" page on Nov. 28, 1966, the teenager asked if he was Blair and pulled out a pistol. While Blair ducked under the counter, Ralph Sacks, a book salesman who was at the store, tried to get the gun away from the teenager and was wounded. Blair re-emerged with a small baseball bat and hit his assailant over the head several times before he dropped the gun.
Blair told the Sentinel in a story published the next day that he asked the youth who had sent him.
" 'Nobody sent me,' Blair quoted the youth. 'It was all my idea. You're a communist. I want to kill a communist.' "
The youth was later ruled mentally ill and sent to the state hospital in Winnebago for treatment.
Fred Bassett Blair is shown in Mary's Book Shop in Milwaukee in this 1964 photo. (Photo: ALLAN Y. SCOTT / Milwaukee Journal)
Blair ended up closing Mary's Book Shop in the summer of 1969 — not because of political harassment, but because freeway projects had taken away most of the neighborhood surrounding the store.
In 1977, Blair and his wife won $48,000 from the FBI, after suing the agency for its surveillance activities in the early 1960s. Mary Blair died in 1992; Fred Blair died in 2005, at age 98.
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The 217 E 86th address for Emil and AMALIA is from 1948/49...
At one of the previous links about a congressional inquiry it provided lists a whole group of suspected Communists including Emil and AMALIA
My understanding is that Emil leaves the USA (with Grace?) leaving the son John behind with ?????
John Pic when LEE and Marge arrive is living at 325 E 92nd St.... It appears LEE and mom are at the Pic's until the move to Sheridan....
Given the FBI's proclivity to "adjust" evidence as it suited them... isn't it more likely the caller said 2nd and 87th, not 77th, since 217 E 86th is
virtuallyliterally around the corner?
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/2nd+Ave+%26+E+87th+St,+New+York,+NY+10128/217+East+86th+Street,+New+York,+NY/@40.7762664,-73.9499794,508a,35y,307.88h,26.4t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c258bb1a4fff4b:0xdfaef480bfd9a58b!2m2!1d-73.9512744!2d40.7785628!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c258bb6f8d2b77:0x854e1df57e00ef69!2m2!1d-73.9529045!2d40.7786199!3e2?hl=enhttps://www.google.com/maps/@40.7778303,-73.9516386,3a,75y,351.57h,99.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz40YkTclmowtmn9_jW39fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en is the view from 86th and 2nd with 217 to the left and 87th/2nd to the right....
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Moving on... A pupil's Personnel and permanent record should simply be ADDED TO, not repeatedly changed over time...
The middle copy represents the first NYC public school semester at PS1172130 Watson (Lutheran School) is not the school's address but the address of a duplex across the street.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8295333,-73.8523738,3a,75y,176.82h,90.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slWsnXysmqm44aFMc5HjiaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=enYOUTH HOUSE is not mentioned and for some reason we have the completed records on the left and right looking like handwritten copies of each other yet on different forms but for the same child.... the backs of these forms exhibit the same thing CE1384
From my POV - something drastic changes between Sept 52 and May 1953... It's as if LEE has become a completely different person, a complete opposite of the boy in 6th grade in terms of demeanor, size, intelligence, etc....
The record below is a composite of 2 children - there are not 109 + 15 days of possible schooling between March 23 and the end of the semester.... when there are 180-190 days in EACH FULL SEMESTER of school which would have started in January or early February....
So.... "SHE COULD NOT GIVE HER NAME FOR FEAR OF BEING KILLED" suggesting her name was so telling to the relationship between Oswald and Hungarian Communists it would put her in peril but from WHO? FBI? Communists? CIA?
FRED BASSETT BLAIR was married to MARY, owner of Mary's bookstore: and was very much alive and well in Milwaukee in 1961.
EMIL GARDOS was MARY BLAIR's BROTHER-IN-LAW.... Could the caller have been Fred's wife, MARY BLAIR???In testimony before a House subcommittee in March 1965, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover listed eight "major communist bookstores operating in the United States at this time." Among them, The Milwaukee Journal reported on May 18, 1965, was Mary's Book Shop, 318 W. Juneau Ave.
Mary's was operated by Fred Bassett Blair, the longtime chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party. Blair's wife, Mary, was the owner of the secondhand book shop
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44 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:
217 E. 86th St. and 325 E. 92nd St. certainly are a short walk apart. But for PS155 in Manhattan I’m getting this school: P.S. 155 William Paca.
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Last but not least....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12_RY1gCeKH2beGqLSySuJNSugJlWIRvu/view?usp=sharing is a link to an article from MADISON WISC describing how
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1 hour ago, John Butler said:
I have found nothing connecting the Gardos or Fred Blair to 77th Street and 2nd Avenue.
A thought.... the address is much more Jewish than Hungarian... Ruby made a few comments along those lines...
I wouldn't put too much stock in that address as being too meaningful....
Again... If Grace and Emil leave the country without John... who is AMALIA GARDOS living where Emil lived?
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On 12/10/2019 at 2:13 PM, John Butler said:
This means Harvey may have been somewhere else for the period 1945-1946 and 1946-1947.
Or is actually 2 years younger than the documentation claims for the real LEE Oswald
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The 1940 census for Ironwood, Gogebic Co, MI:
GARDOS, Emil age 34 b. Hungary, occupation Pressman/Newspaper
wife Grace age 29 b. WI
son John age 1 b. MI
They listed their residence in 1935 as Manhattan, NYI should add that this is listed in genealogy.com under the FRED & NAOMI BLAIR entry
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On 12/1/2019 at 7:34 AM, Jim Hargrove said:
Anyone have any ideas about where to go from here?
QuoteJohn K: As I originally discovered a few days ago (and immediately posted), our "Oswald" had taken the time and expense to buy an awfully obscure book: Tibor Kajan's "Circus Maximus", a collection of political cartoons from a dedicated Hungarian Communist Jew, a man who received multiple Kossuth award nominations
Is it possible he had this book all along - that he never BOUGHT it but had it as a family heirloom?
And what about AMALIA GARDOS? Could that be EMIL's sister taking care of JOHN when Grace and Emil leave?
(It's Grace {Fred BLAIR's sister} Gardos btw, so AMALIA is still a mystery) EDIT: IS AMALIA Grace's middle name?Furthermore, the town where JOHN GARDOS was born in 1940, is literally on the Michigan/Wisconsin border...
And finally, Fred BASSETT BLAIR's mother's FULL NAME was - Mary AMALIA/AMELIA BASSETT
So Grace BLAIR marries Emil GARDOS yet we have an AMALIA GARDOS living at 217 E 86th - same address as Grace and Emil....
217 E 86th and 325 E 92nd (Pic's apartment) are only blocks from each other with PS155 Yorkville Community School also just blocks away....
(Pic claimed that Lee went to a nearby school but did not like it - he seems to have been off by a street as PS155 is east of 1st on 88th.)Who, exactly, was AMALIA GARDOS?
Mr. PIC - No, sir; my mother did. I think this is a public school in New York City located on about 89th, 90th Street between Third Avenue and Second Avenue. Lee didn't like this school. I didn't much blame him.
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A few measurements related to that image....
the 5'4" 115lb boy ENTERING 7th grade Sept 1952 (inset)
the 4'10" 95lb boy ENTERING 9th grade Sept 1953 (photo by Robert Oswald August 1953)Amazing how a 13 year old LARGE child becomes a scrawny, soon to be 15 year old who is not yet 5' tall....
{edit: look at his 6th grade class photo... remember? they put the tall kids in the back row, standing.. that's Lee in the back row
and everyone remembers him as the biggest kid in the grade, best fighter, and good friend.}
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18 hours ago, John Butler said:
1947-1948 Benbrook, TX 1st grade Harvey
This means Harvey may have been somewhere else for the period 1945-1946 and 1946-1947.
LEE
1945-9-7 Grandbury Rd - R5 - Box 567Benbrook, TX 1st Benbrook Common School - 82/15Rental house with Ekdahl, MO, LEE
1945-10-31 Grandbury Rd - R5 - Box 567 Benbrook, TX 1st Benbrook Common School - 82/15Address on enrollment card is "Worth Hotel" 7408 Ewing which is not bought until 1948. MO lists LEE's Bday as July 19, 1939 to get into school
1946-2-8 Grandbury Rd - R5 - Box 567Benbrook, TX 1st Mastoiditis surgery Harris Hospital
HARVEY
1947-9-5 Lucille HUBBARD drives MO to a house near Stripling to pick up furnitiure 2220 THOMAS PLACE
Benbrook Common School 2nd grade Benbrook 101 San Saba / 2220 THOMAS PLThe Elementary school by 2220 Thomas was SOUTH HI MOUNT at 4101 Birchman... a 5 min walk.
No reason to assume that any and all records would be confiscated ala Frank Kudlaty....
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I'm going back over the timeline and bringing it more up to date on the Lee side prior to 1947.... I'll let you know what turns up
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He is also the only person who can be placed in the SE corner of the 6th floor within 15 minutes of the shooting.... where the rifle is found and Truly denies the FBI taking finger prints of the employees... and given his testimony - there would be not available time for anyone to get up to the 6th floor, assemble the rifle, and be ready AFTER 12:15 when by all indication JFK would be passing by between noon and 12:15... If Oswald has to get to his spot and assemble the rifle he has precious little time to do so...
In fact, I feel this precludes his assembling the rifle at all, and that we MUST spend some time determining who placed that rifle there....
If not Ozzie - who?----
As I elude to in one of my papers... after the first shot - IF and only IF the shot is 12-15 feet above their heads - these 3 men wouldn't have been able to hear anything let alone the "clink" of shells or the working of a bolt...
"The National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders (NIDCD) says hearing damage occurs with noises of 85 dB or louder. Higher caliber guns produce a louder sound than their small caliber cousins; however, any shot fired next to an unprotected ear can be damaging. According to USA Carry, a .32 LONG fires a 152.4 decibel (dB) blast while a .44 S&W Magnum blast registers 164.5 dB."
I also think that EUINS mentions the muzzle sticking well outside the window...
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. I was looking where the barrel was sticking out.
Mr. SPECTER. How many shots did you hear altogether?
Mr. EUINS. I believe there was four, to be exact.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, where were you looking at the time of the third shot, if you remember?
Mr. EUINS. After he shot the first two times, I was just standing back here. And then after he shot again, he pulled the gun back in the window. And then all the police ran back over here in the track vicinity. -
6 minutes ago, John Butler said:
Jim,
I checked the email this morning and have received David Joseph's timeline. It is a marvelous piece of work. A lot of hard work and time went into that. I know since I did a time line of Oswalds in the military and started another for in Russia. I will go back to my military timeline and see if I can add more to it. Since my blunder with the rubles conversion I haven't done much on Russia. There is something wrong with that business of the ruble conversions and I think I will go back and revisit that.
Earlier I asked a question why Marguerite decided to stay in NYC for a year or two more after she left the Pics. Somebody said this was because she wanted him mentally tested.
Thanks John... and if you see anything that needs fixing please feel free to email me... I haven't worked on it for a while...
As to the "mental testing" this was relayed to us by a woman claiming to have been their housekeeper in NYC... Louise ROBERTSON
(I suggest going to Baylor's site for John's notebooks and download those that are most needed... I have scores of them now... here is the one for Louise:
http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/ref/collection/po-arm/id/18246)On Nov 27th she presents herself to the FBI and tells this story of MARGE hiring her to clean their apartment (amazing right? she is ALWAYS complaining about money yet has a housekeeper who just happens to live literally around the corner from 825 E 179th.
She claims they spoke of testing Harvey at the Jacobi Hospital in the Bronx... she claims they spoke before they left for North Dakota at the end of the summer 1953...
One BIG problem....Following several years of construction, Van Etten Hospital opened in September 1954 with 500 beds, named in honor of Dr. Nathan B. Van Etten, a well-known Bronx practitioner with deep concern for the sick poor. About one year later on November 1, 1955, Jacobi Hospital, opened its doors for pediatric and infant care, with 898 beds
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But if they did not ask Stone for his permission to use him in their/her ads....
That could be a bit of a problem, no?
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On 12/7/2019 at 6:41 AM, Bart Kamp said:
Everything comes at a price!
They were discussing a sale.... on good authority I understand JVB owes this bridge.... bought it years ago and now is once again
trying to sell it....(Someone mentioned that the W-2 from Reilly was proof positive.... maybe ask JVB how she got to retain COPY B which the rest of the world sends to the IRS
while not retaining COPY C.... and why her W-2 does not look like any W-2 ever sent out by the IRS...???? https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/poking-more-holes-in-judyth-baker p17)
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11 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:
I received an email from Greg Parker reminding me that he worked out that the person the anonymous caller was referring to was likely Emil Gardos 10 years ago. He has a thread on the topic:
http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t87-the-mrs-jack-d-tippit-phone-call
Yeah... and 20+ years ago when H&L was published John wrote about Emil KARDOS... who he learned about in the 10 years prior....
GP... a little too little too late
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5 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
I'm not going to go much further, about the best I can offer is that Frazier has been asked and has consistently said he did not see Oswald on the stops and when shown the pictures did not identify Oswald or the unknown individual at all. My recollection is that at some point he did indicate he saw Lovelady out front but that's just an impression, someone else will probably have a more accurate comment on that ....given I've been convinced for a long time that Lovelady was on the steps and in the photos in the waiting area afterwards I've never really focused on that point and I don't think I asked Frazier about that specifically.
Its also my impression that Frazier said he was not looking around at folks on the steps much and might not even have looked laterally or around to his right in the area of most interest.
"SOMEONE" is standing there yet not a single soul in all of the research done mentions even seeing a person there...
And btw - SHELLEY is mistaken here... quite badly in fact... any reason to mix up MOLINA with VILES??
(not picking on you Larry... I just find FRAZIER's entire story hard to swallow... right from the time he puts a paper bag in Oswald's hands
Mr. BALL - And who was out there?
Mr. SHELLEY - Well, there was Lloyd Viles of McGraw-Hill, Sarah Stanton, she's with Texas School Book, and Wesley Frazier and Billy Lovelady joined us shortly afterwards.Mr. BALL. Where were you standing?
Mr. MOLINA. Right at the front door; right at the front door.
Mr. BALL. Outside the front door?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, outside the front door I was standing; the door was right behind me.
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13 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
I can corroborate Pat, we asked Frazier at two Lancer conferences and Debra took the time privately to take doorway photos and show him - they discussed them at length and he made the same remarks to her Pat described and has not changed his position in any way. There may be things he is hesitant to talk about but for what its worth he has been consistent on this point.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; I told them and naturally Mr. Shelley and Billy vouched for me and so they didn't think anything about it.
Mr. BALL - Did you hear anybody around there asking for Lee Oswald?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - At any time before you went home, did you hear anybody ask for Lee?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they didCorrect me if I'm wrong, but NOBODY asked these people if they saw Oswald on the steps... nobody anywhere was asked if they saw a person ion the corner there....
Using Larry's as last in the line about Frazier and Oswald on the steps... but what about Lovelady?Mr. BALL - We have got a picture taken the day of the parade and it shows the President's car going by.
Now, take a look at that picture. Can you see your picture any place there?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't, because I was back up in this more or less black area here.
Mr. BALL - I see.
Mr. FRAZIER - Because Billy, like I say, is two or three steps down in front of me.Mr. BALL - Which is Commission's Exhibit No. 362. Can you come over here and show us about where you were standing?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. Like I told you this was an entrance right here.
Mr. BALL - Yes, sir.
Mr. FRAZIER - We have a bar rail running about half way up here. This was the first step and I was standing right around there.
Mr. BALL - Put a mark there. Your name is Frazier, put an "F" there for Frazier.
Mr. FRAZIER - O.K.
So this is CE362 - I guess that smudge on the top step landing is Frazier... but we know from Hughes that LOVELADY was over in the corner:
and at some point moves to the center by the railing... at what point is LOVELADY down at least 2 steps?Are all of you saying that he did not notice the person in the corner from the image at the bottom left of this collage - or that he was simply not asked about Lee on the stairs as mentioned above?
And are we in agreement about who that is in the left corner, white T-shirt and ruddy open shirt?... and that within seconds he person in the far left corner (facing the TSBD) is there
as well. How does FRAZIER not even bother to put a person there - never mind it being Oswald or not ????
Mr. BALL - Did you see anybody after that come into the Building while you were there?
Mr. FRAZIER - You mean somebody other that didn't work there?
Mr. BALL - A police officer.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; (DJ: So Frazier cannot corroborate Truly/Baker?)In fact, I fail to see anything which shows FRAZIER on those steps prior to the motorcade - can anyone provide photographic evidence of FRAZIER prior to the image above at the bottom left?
Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
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13 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Hi, DJ,
We've discussed this before, and I don't mean to start a lengthy debate, but can you point me to a thread or post here that summarizes the evidence that "it was ACIS/JCS and Military Intel who seems to have coordinated the assassination"? As you know, I think a half dozen or so people from the Agency organized the hit, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if some military people were involved. I've just never seen compelling evidence.
Jim... no argument....
Name one person of interest who did not spend time in the military. In fact most even spent significant time with Military Intel of some sort.... who were the first CIA directors? ONI admirals... then Dulles... any Military connections there ya think?
Bottom line, the CIA did very little without Military knowledge.. if that info is DIS info from CIA, it’s eventually figured out. And/or they let these things happen depending on which way the political winds are blowing....
The OSS, FBI’s SIS, then CIA all come after 100 years of MID and ONI.
Do you truly feel those running US intel out of the Pentagon would just LET another agency take their intelligence roles unless they were in virtually complete control?As Facilitator and Mechanic yes.... CIA as sponsor? I see no evidence of that....
so, does the hammer, or the person wielding the hammer drive the nail in?
take care... DJ
EVIDENCE FOR HARVEY AND LEE (Please debate the specifics right here. Don't just claim someone else has debunked it!)
in JFK Assassination Debate
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the woman said FATHER & UNCLE - So, who were Emil's brothers? And NAOMI BLAIR, Fred's sister is also a decent candidate for the caller, no?
The correspondence of the 1960's and 1970's is dominated by exchanges with Blair's sister Naomi and his sister and brother-in-law Grace and Emil Gardos who resided in Hungary, though there are numerous exchanges concerning political conditions in Wisconsin throughout.