David Josephs

15 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Yet we need to orient the picture to a straight horizon....  to get the person into the image they had to rotate the background to the left

if we put Oswald back, the change just jumps off the page....  rotate the image to the left to get the real extent of this lean....

 

One ghost has the two white parallel lines, the other on the left, not....  

I’m sure I got something mixed up Chris...

The image with the parallel white lines on either side of Oswald’s ghost image on the left. The center horizontal fence post is truly horizontal or the 2 to 4 degrees you mention.

But In the actual image pasted into the ghost photo on the left, The center horizontal fence post support seems to need much more that 4 degrees of left rotation to make it true horizontal or at least much closer to the ghost images.

Oswald is directly within the ghost cutout.... see the feet. My gif shows it even better....

I think this image shows what the fence SHOULD look like with Oswald standing in that position... but of course  it doesn’t....

so, from which image is the ghost image on the left created, that pasting him back in does such strange things to the background?

And doesn’t it make some sense that those white lines are guides so the composited Oswald matches the background more closely than what that top image suggests?

I think i’m Saying the top image proves the byp images were created, composited.... as we felt or knew all along cause the 2 identical but not, images, are mutually exclusive.  The ghost image on the left could not come from 133-C as is obvious from the above image....

edit... I see now that ghost image is not cut from 133-c, yet the argument remains valid...  why would the background be so rotated n the 2 images?

26 minutes ago, Chris Bristow said:

Josephs point about finding level also makes a difference here. The photo you used has the fence at 3 1/2 degrees. I the original thread I offered a proof that the fence really sits at 2 1/2 degrees.

Chris... it appears to me  with the image of Oswald in the ghost background, that that's much more than a few degrees....

Take my image and rotate it left until the fence is horizontal using a photoshop line guide or whatever you like...
I have little room to post images left, but that looks like a rotation of 20-30 degrees...  his nose is to the left (facing the image) of his right knee

1 hour ago, Chris Davidson said:

David,

Did you have a specific shot/limo location in mind?

I was thinking more along the lines of the height as I thought you were of the opinion a 3rd story origin was way too high...

Yet you do mention the idea of multiple Dal Tex shooters....

The top of the van is 10-12 feet it appears.... and from that angle - looking at Elm - I'd have to think the shot originated much higher up.

2nd AND 3rd floors?

Yet we need to orient the picture to a straight horizon....  to get the person into the image they had to rotate the background to the left

if we put Oswald back, the change just jumps off the page....  rotate the image to the left to get the real extent of this lean....

One ghost has the two white parallel lines, the other on the left, not....  

Chris....

Top of the VAN on Elm east of Houston?

4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Denis,

 

If that is Leavelle sitting with her (and I think it is), and they are going over her affidavit, he took her affidavit on Saturday, November 23rd

See CD 81 p. 548

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=548&tab=page

 

That's interesting. Those two pages (pp 218 and 219 of the Police Case book are missing from the chronological order of the DPD Archives in Box 5, Folder# 5, Item#'s 30-32. They could be somewhere else in the Archives, but they're missing from that chronological order in Box 5)

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm

 

Her affidavit is in Box 5, Folder# 2, Item# 51

Patsy Collins, the Notary Public, dates it as November 23rd.

 

Steve Thomas

3 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

OSWALD: Uh, I saw Junior and Shorty walk by while I was in there. They may have noticed me. I don't know. 

Fritz then makes a mental note that Oswald said Junior and Shorty might have seen him during lunch and conflates it into Oswald's saying he had lunch with them. This kinda thing happens all the time. All day long. 

It's why the tape recorder was invented. 

 

ok... so then Pat, what does this have to do with Lee Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunchroom between 12 and 12:30 and being seen by Mrs Reid, and then seen again around 12:33 coming from the same place she had seen him before only this time with a coke wearing a t-shirt?

Those 2 events needn't be mutually exclusive... it would also give some credibility to the notion he had his lunch in a paper sack which he usually brings....
"cheese sandwiches + apple"

 ====  you recent post with Piper.... Oswald says he's going "up or out"

7 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

Mr. BALL. And that Lee said, "I'm going up to eat?"
Mr. PIPER. He said either "up" or "out"---that's the way I reported it.
Mr. BALL. That's what you told them?                                                                                              
Mr. PIPER. Yes, sir.  

Does this sound like he's staying in the Domino Room to eat?  

Whether this is or is not a 2nd Oswald in that building at the time, very little other than Fritz claiming Oswald said..... puts him down there eating lunch on the 1st floor.

Mrs. REID now sees the T-shirted Oswald walk to the front of the 2nd floor;  he then goes down and ultimately out.   CRAIG sees Harvey as the overshirt he was wearing would look quite a lot lighter in the direct sun of Dealey...  the image of CE150 is also very dark....  The man REID saw simple vanishes into the crowds.

Mr. BELIN - I hand you Exhibit No. 150. Have you ever seen a shirt like this before? Does this look familiar to the shirt that the suspect might have been wearing when you saw him, or this man running toward the station wagon?
Mr. CRAIG - It's the same type of shirt.
Mr. BELIN - I believe you used the phrase, "light shirt". Would Exhibit 150 be darker than the shirt he was wearing?
Mr. CRAIG - Uh--it looks darker in here--yes, uh-huh.

Hey Steve...

Dr. Mantik wants to send you a survey at my recommendation but needs your email....

you can send it to davidjoseph2619@gmail.com and I will forward it to him...

DJ

Y'all seem to forget that the FBI - SA DOLAN in fact - both took the microfilm and left it with Waldman

There is absolutely no way to authenticate that what we see on the microfilm from "HIDELL" was ever on a Klein's order or ever on that microfilm...

In this version (p188 WCD7) - with 3 FBI AGENTS - Waldman keeps the microfilm after they "find the records" and is reported as the GO TO MAN in the event the reel of film was necessary as evidence.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10408#relPageId=195&tab=page

Problem being page 189 - the very next page in WCD7 states that we no longer have 3 FBI AGENTS but only one, SA DOLAN
who provides a receipt for said microfilm and TAKES IT...  we learn from the image below this that he has the film reproduced with a copy returned to WALDMAN...

Since the original film is no longer in its box, sure would like a look at the COPY film...

3 FBI Agents sign a report saying the film was left with WALDMAN
SA DOLAN writes his own, virtually identical report, but takes the film and has it reproduced....  

We have no idea what images were on what films...  And it is easily proven that payment fro said rifle is FUBAR....

DJ

Another

I've always thought the shooter was in the 3rd floor window, not second.

Chris - can you prove the shot originated higher than lower? 30 feet over, how high up on DalTex? (sorry if I missed you posting that already)

Isn't this thread about Hoover and Tolson?

FWIW - what "Oswald said" as opposed to what the FBI/DPD/SS/USPS said he said is two different universes.

DJ

On ‎9‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 12:22 AM, Pat Speer said:

Jarman and Norman were the only two depository employees to admit coming in the north entrance when Oswald claimed he was sitting right by this entrance, and they were the only two depository employees Oswald recalled seeing while he was sitting there. 

What are the odds?

What are the odds two black men in Texas tell the DPD what they need to hear?

Pat, can you address the following please as it relates to your claims...  I see nothing in what they say to support what you conclude.???

JARMAN does not say he ate lunch in the Domino room Pat....:

Mr. BALL - What did you do there?
Mr. JARMAN - I was eating part of my sandwich there, and then I came back out and as I was walking across the floor I ate the rest of it going toward the domino room.
Mr. BILL. You say you ate the rest of it when?
Mr. JARMAN - Walking around on the first floor there.

Mr. BALL - Were you with anybody when you were walking around finishing your sandwich?
Mr. JARMAN - No; I wasn't, I was trying to get through so I could get out on the street.
Mr. BALL - Did you see Lee Oswald?
Mr. JARMAN - No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - After his arrest, he stated to a police officer that he had had lunch with you. Did you have lunch with him?
Mr. JARMAN - No, sir; I didn't.

How much more clear does this need to be Pat?  No lunch in the Domino Room, no sitting with Norman in the Domino room (And there's the Dr. Pepper Machine next to the fridge, the case for the empties is leaning against the wall by the stairs

Mr. BALL - When you finished your sandwich and your bottle of pop, what did you do?
Mr. JARMAN - I throwed the paper that I had the sandwich in in the box over close to the telephone and I took the pop bottle and put it in the case over by the Dr. Pepper machine.
Mr. BALL - And then what did you do?
Mr. JARMAN - Then I went out in front of the building.

Mr. JARMAN - We went around to the back of the building up to the fifth floor.
Mr. BALL - You say you went around. You mean you went around the building?
Mr. JARMAN - Right.
Mr. BALL - You didn't go through and cross the first floor?
Mr. JARMAN - No, sir; there was too many people standing on the stairway so we decided to go around.

Now why do you supposed BALL wanted them to go THRU the first floor inside the building?  Maybe to support the falsehood that they say Oswald in the Domino room at lunch... but they didn't.  Both men tell us they did not see OSWALD in the Domino Room during lunch....

Now, What does NORMAN say?

Mr. BALL. Did you remember seeing him at any time that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; around about 10 or 10:15, somewhere in the neighborhood of that.

Mr. McCLOY. You testified that you had not seen Oswald except this one occasion in the morning. Did you hear any of your friends or coworkers say whether they had seen Oswald on that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Not until after
Mr. McCLOY. After the assassination?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; that is the only time.

So Larry, I'd wait a second on setting this in stone, at least until this testimony is accounted for....

Mr. BALL - You went in the back door?
Mr. JARMAN - Right.
Mr. BALL - That would be the north entrance to the building, wouldn't it?
Mr. JARMAN - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did you take an elevator or the stairs?
Mr. JARMAN - We took the elevator.
Mr. BALL - Which elevator?
Mr. JARMAN - The west side elevator

There are 3 entrances on the NORTH of the TSBD... one right next to the WEST ELEVATOR in fact...  NORMAN makes your argument even worse by claiming to have gone out the front with Jarman....   who, while going out the front door with NORMAN also goes out the back door with JARMAN   

Mr. BALL. After you ate your lunch, what did you do?
Mr. NORMAN. I got with James Jarman, he and I got together on the first floor.
Mr. BALL. Where was James Jarman when you got together with him?
Mr. NORMAN. He was somewhere in the vicinity of the telephone, I believe. I am not for sure.
Mr. BALL. Out near the bins?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What do you call James Jarman?
Mr. NORMAN. Junior.
Mr. BALL. And you and Junior did what?
Mr. NORMAN. We went outside.
Mr. BALL. You went out the front door, did you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. That is the Elm Street?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where did you stand?
Mr. NORMAN. We stood on the Elm Street sidewalk.

Furthermore, even if they came in the small door, neither of the men say they saw Oswald during lunch... infact NORMAN says the room had "someone" in it - but no one with which to play dominoes...

Mr. BALL. Where were you when you ate your lunch?
Mr. NORMAN. In the domino room, as I recall.
Mr. BALL. Who was with you at that time?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the domino room, with me.
Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there?
Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning.
Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys usually come in to play.

13 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

I must be missing something. Do you think she's lying? And that she saw Oswald in the lunchroom (which is on the second floor)?

The evidence, IMO, points to Oswald being in the domino room (which is on the first floor) at the time of the shooting. 

While the fact there were two lunch rooms is confusing to some, it makes perfect sense to me. Having worked in both the warehouse and the offices of a large music distributor, I know firsthand the culture of a place like the TSBD. And the fact is that the warehouse workers, no matter their race, would be expected to eat together. And leave the office workers alone. 

It largely comes down to this...warehouse workers are sweaty and have B.O. And cuss. And make the ladies and gentlemen...uncomfortable. When you take into account that a number of the TSBD's workers had brown skin, and that this was 1963 Texas, for that matter, it's easy to see how the office workers and warehouse workers would barely know each other. Let's remember as well that a number of the office workers said they had little to no recollection of ever seeing Oswald. If he had swam against the tide, and had eaten lunch with the ladies, well, they would most certainly have noticed him, and talked to him, and discovered he'd just had a baby, etc. That they knew so little about him, then, is clear evidence to me that he did not frequent the lunch room, outside of perhaps buying a coke. 

Yes Pat, I think she is hiding the fact she saw someone looking like Oswald in the lunchroom as well as walking thru the office in only a t-shirt...  we both know that Oswald wore that Briarloom button-down collared shirt over his white T-shirt...   Whether "Lee" to our man's Harvey... or another look-a-like, there was most definitely a second Oswald-looking character in that building....

As for his being in the Domino Room....  Eddie Piper claims he was down there around 11:50-12:00  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=35#relPageId=393&tab=page

But then he leaves and goes to the front of the building on the 1st floor.... (and then lies his butt off IMO)

You write:    "but recalled possibly two negro employees walking through the room in this period. "
which does not sound like "having lunch with 2 colored boys"   - you SURE Oswald was in there during lunch?

Mr. BALL. Where were you when you ate your lunch?
Mr. NORMAN. In the domino room, as I recall.
Mr. BALL. Who was with you at that time?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the domino room, with me.
Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there?
Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning.
Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys usually come in to play.

He says "DOMINO" 11 times yet no Oswald.

Mr. McCLOY. You testified that you had not seen Oswald except this one occasion in the morning. Did you hear any of your friends or coworkers say whether they had seen Oswald on that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Not until after
Mr. McCLOY. After the assassination?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; that is the only time.

Mr. BALL. Did you remember seeing him at any time that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; around about 10 or 10:15, somewhere in the neighborhood of that.

Sure doesn't sound like a person who ate his lunch with Oswald and Jarman....  but more like your quote...  "walking thru the room"
From the evidence it appears no one was left in the Domino Room after Piper, Jarman and Norman see Oswald around noon.

PAT - How exactly does this preclude him from being in the 2nd floor lunchroom between 12 and 12:30 when REID is there?

An 11-23-63 statement to the Dallas County Sheriff’s Dept. signed by depository janitor Eddie Piper confirms: “Yesterday, at 12:00 noon, this fellow Lee says to me 'I’m going up to eat' and I went on to my lunch. I went to a front window on the first floor and ate my lunch and waited to see the President's parade go by. I saw the President pass and heard some shots and looked at the clock there and saw it was 12:25PM.” (19H499)
 

Pat, "I'm going up to eat" surely suggests that Oswald did NOT eat in the Domino room as the rest of the evidence shows....  I read MRS. REID's testimony at that spot and it seems to me she is avoiding saying that while she was left alone by the younger girls, "THEY" = "MEN" from BELIN's question

Mr. BELIN. Were there any men in the lunchroom when you left there?
Mrs. REID. I can't, I don't, remember that.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mrs. REID. I can't remember the time they left.

While I appreciate your colorful description of the circumstances... but it amounts to you guessing, speculating, adding facts where there are none... etc.
Mrs REID and Mr. CRAIG see a different man they call Oswald than was the man Ruby killed.

Sorry - but these two men aren't the same person...  that more was afoot inside the TSBD than we know is no real big surprise....

"sure."

Mr. BELIN. How did you know the person you saw was Lee Harvey Oswald on the second floor?
Mrs. REID. Because it looked just like him.
Mr. BELIN. You mean the picture with the name Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. REID. Oh, yes.
Mr. BELIN. But you had seen him in the building?
Mrs. REID. Other than that day, sure.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what clothes he had on when you saw him?
Mrs. REID. What he was wearing, he had on a white T-shirt and some kind of wash trousers. What color I couldn't tell you.
Mr. BELIN. I am going to hand you what has been marked Commission Exhibit, first 157 and then 158, and I will ask you if either or both look like they might have been the trousers that you saw him wear or can you tell?
Mrs. REID. I just couldn't be positive about that. I would rather not say, because I just cannot.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember whether he had any shirt or jacket on over his T-shirt?
Mrs. REID. He did not. He did not have any jacket on.
Mr. BELIN. Have you ever seen anyone working at the book depository wearing any kind of a shirt or jacket similar to Commission Exhibit 150 or do you know?
Mrs. REID. No; I do not. I have never, so far as I know ever seen that shirt. I have been asked about that shirt before, I have seen it once before but not since all this happened.

Mrs. REID. Well, I kept walking and I looked up and Oswald was coming in the back door of the office. I met him by the time I passed my desk several feet and I told him, I said, "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him."
He mumbled something to me, I kept walking, he did, too. I didn't pay any attention to what he said because I had no thoughts of anything of him having any connection with it at all because he was very calm. He had gotten a coke and was holding it in his hands and I guess the reason it impressed me seeing him in there I thought it was a little strange that one of -the warehouse boys would be up in the office at the time, not that he had done anything wrong. The only time I had seen him in the office was to come and get change and he already had his coke in his hand so he didn't come for change and I dismissed him. I didn't think anything else.

One of my favorite testimony passages is REID here trying NOT to say Oswald was in the lunchroom with "them/they"...
Didn't anyone ever teach BELIN about leading a witness ??  

Mr. BELIN. All right. Do you know about what time it was that you left the lunchroom, was it 12, 12:15?
Mrs. REID. I think around 12:30 somewhere along in there.
Mr. BELIN. All right. When you left the lunchroom, did you leave with the other girls?
Mrs. REID. No; I didn't. The younger girls had gone and I left alone.
Mr. BELIN. Were you the last person in the lunchroom?
Mrs. REID. No; I could not say that because I don't remember that part of it because I was going out of the building by myself, I wasn't even, you know, connected with anyone at all.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any men in the lunchroom when you left there?
Mrs. REID. I can't, I don't, remember that.   ["don't" what?]
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mrs. REID. I can't remember the time they left.

This was the only one I could find in my files

And this is the "magic marker" type square drawn over the open wound at the back of his head...

Z323 I believe

Even stranger still Steve....

FWIW... The man working up the road and staying at Beckley...

H. Lee in room “O”

Why would the open or closed passenger window be such a confusing subject?

Cause the "clear prints from under the passenger window" were not Lee Oswald's maybe ???

Do we know what happened to the ID of those prints?

Much has been discussed about the German/Nazi/Farben/Banking connections to those involved with the death of JFK...
IBM - like all the large corps of the time - did business wherever possible and whenever profitable - regardless of client or purpose...
That IBM (and some of the German NASA people) would have an interest in the goings on at the presidential level is not hard to accept.

Also not too hard to accept was the deep infiltration of CIA into international businesses like IBM and Wackenhut....  just to name 2

DJ

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ibm-and-quot-death-s-calculator-quot-2

https://archive.org/details/IbmAndTheHolocaust

When Hitler came to power, a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews. To Nazis, Jews were not just those who practiced Judaism, but those of Jewish blood, regardless of their assimilation, intermarriage, religious activity, or even conversion to Christianity. Only after Jews were identified could they be targeted for asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and ultimately extermination. To search generations of communal, church, and governmental records all across Germany-and later throughout Europe-was a cross-indexing task so monumental, it called for a computer. But in 1933, no computer existed.

When the Reich needed to mount a systematic campaign of Jewish economic disenfranchisement and later began the massive movement of European Jews out of their homes and into ghettos, once again, the task was so prodigious it called for a computer. But in 1933, no computer existed. When the Final Solution sought to efficiently transport Jews out of European ghettos along railroad lines and into death camps, with timing so precise the victims were able to walk right out of the boxcar and into a waiting gas chamber, the coordination was so complex a task, this too called for a computer. But in 1933, no computer existed.

However, another invention did exist: the IBM punch card and card sorting system-a precursor to the computer. IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success. IBM Germany, using its own staff and equipment, designed, executed, and supplied the indispensable technologic assistance Hitler's Third Reich needed to accomplish what had never been done before-the automation of human destruction. More than 2,000 such multi-machine sets were dispatched throughout Germany, and thousands more throughout German-dominated Europe. Card sorting operations were established in every major concentration camp. People were moved from place to place, systematically worked to death, and their remains cataloged with icy automation.

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20 minutes ago, Chris Bristow said:

Hey Joseph, maybe my eyes are failing me but in those two photos of Oswald, is his head is 12.5 inches in the Marine photo and 9 inches in the other one???

Wish I had a prize for ya Chris...

1956 induction...

1961 arrest in New Orleans....   

seems like something is wrong until i show you a shot of Paul Newman at 5’10” with also a 12 inch head....

I think this adds proof to the existence of two men using the name LHO in day to day living and that people have hugely diff sized heads...

If that Ozzie marine photo is real.... seems so

Just to finish the thought....

There are literally no photos of the interior of the 4th floor...  yet we are to remember that this building was 100' x 100'

We are also to remember Vickie Adams leaving immediately and going down those back stairs.... with Styles and supposedly GARNER in tow... GARNER does not go down the stairs but does claim to hear/see policemen on the floor...

As opposed to this being BAKER and/or Truly... We also have Sawyer in plain clothes with uniformed officers....

Mr. BELIN. You went up to the top floor that the elevator would go to?  the 4th floor ....
Mr. SAWYER. That's right. 
Mr. BELIN. You got off, and were there officers there? 
Mr. SAWYER. There was one or two other officers with me. (Harness and Haygood???)
Mr. BELIN. Now when you got off, you say you went into the back there into a warehouse area? 
Mr. SAWYER. Storage area; what appeared to be a storage area. 
Mr. BELIN. Did you go into any place other than a warehouse or storage area? 
Mr. SAWYER. No. 
Mr. BELIN. Was there anything other than a warehouse or storage area there? 
Mr. SAWYER. Well, to one side I could see an office over there with people in it. Some women that apparently were office workers.

Mr. SAWYER. I do. 
Mr. BELIN. Would it be fair for me to assume then that you had not at least completely left your car by 12:34 p.m? 
Mr. SAWYER. Correct. 

By that time Vickie is on the 1st floor seeing SHELLEY and LOVELADY with Eddie PIPER also lurking about along with wrapper Troy West (Piper lies his butt off regarding his activities during this time....)

Marion Baker's JOB should have been to secure the front of the TSBD... not run into a potential crime scene without backup AND towing a civilian... but as we hear him say, "he had it...."

Steve - this what you looking for?  

Mr. BELIN. Then you got down and what did you do? 
Mr. SAWYER. I asked the Sergeant to double check the security around the building, and then I took two patrolmen and stationed them at the front door and told them, with instructions not to let anybody in or out. 
Mr. BELIN. Now up to the time you did this, had anyone else sealed off the building, that you know of? 
Mr. SAWYER. When I arrived, the sergeant told me he had the building sealed off. There were officers all around the building. To the best of my recollection, there was no officer actually stationed on the front door, at the front door. There was some on the sidewalk in front of the front door, and also, as far as I know, had no instructions been issued to anyone to let anybody in or out. 
Mr. BELIN. So yours would have been the first instructions to stop traffic from coming in and out of the front door, am I correct in that? 
Mr. SAWYER. That's right. 

BTW - SAWYER NEVER SAYS "BATCHELOR" in any of his testimony...

Mr. BELIN. Could you describe the man you saw in the window on the sixth floor?
Mr. BRENNAN. To my best description, a man in his early thirties, fair complexion, slender but neat, neat slender, possibly 5-foot 10.
Mr. BELIN. About what weight?
Mr. BRENNAN. Oh, at--I calculated, I think, from 160 to 170 pounds.
Mr. BELIN. A white man?   [one needs to wonder why the additional question is needed...  "fair complexion" should give it away... no?]
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes.

Those that you mention in your list seem all to have something interesting to offer related to the actual shooting event....

When Rowland testified before the Commission on March 10, 1964, he claimed for the first time to have seen another person on the sixth floor. Rowland said that before he had noticed the man with the rifle on the southwest corner of the sixth floor he had seen an elderly Negro man "hanging out that window" on the southeast corner of the sixth floor.63 Rowland described the Negro man as "very thin, an elderly gentleman, bald or practically bald, very thin hair if he wasn't bald," between 50 and 60 years of age, 5 feet 8 inches to 5 feet 10 inches tall, with fairly dark complexion. 64 Rowland claimed that he looked back two or three times and noticed that the man remained until 5 or 6 minutes prior to the time the motorcade came. Rowland did not see him thereafter. He made no mention of the Negro man in his affidavit.65

So we are trying to find the significance for ROWLAND of

"FBI # 921 481 F"

this is the HSCA file and only mention of ROWLAND I could find.  maybe cause of this?