Gil Jesus

For your side, everything. The names of six witnesses who either saw, handled or in whose care the bullet was ( McElroy, Norvell, Tucker, B.G. Brown, Alexander and Anderson ) do not appear on the list of 552 witnesses who were called to give testimony. ( Report, Appendix V, pgs. 483-500 ) General Walker saw the bullet the night it was recovered and was called to testify, but was never shown CE 573 during his testimony and asked to identify it. An eighth witness, McElroy’s partner Ira Van Cleve, also saw the bullet and described it in his report on the crime. He also was never called to give testimony and identify CE 573. Omitting eight witnesses is not a simple oversight. It’s unconscionable that the same Commission that called witnesses who had no inforamtion about the assassination, like Jack Ruby’s brother and the emcee at Jack Ruby’s strip club, omitted eight witnesses who either saw, handled or in whose possession the Walker bullet was. Why is that ? Why didn't the Commission's counsel establish that CE 573 was the bullet removed from Walker's home by having the eight people who saw it identify it under oath ?

CE 573 was substituted for the steel-jacketed bullet that was removed from Walker's house. Even Walker knew that. https://gil-jesus.com/the-walker-bullet/

These are all excellent points: Mart's question that, why would they dust curtain rods from the Paine garage if those rods never left the garage ? Ron's point that, they loaded and unloaded the Paine station wagon when they moved Marina back from New Orleans, why didn't they see the rifle ? And Jim's question that, why did Oswald go to Mexico and risk having his rifle found when they unloaded the car back at the Paine house ?

One other possibility: That Oswald DIDN'T deny the curtain rod story, that the Dallas cops lied by saying he did and that he told them EXACTLY where they could find them. Because the evidence indicates that the Dallas Police dusted TWO sets of curtain rods, one that was released on 3-24-64 and the other that was released on 3-26-64. The release part of the 3-26 form is not a copy of the 3-24 form and the obvious visual differences ( date, "750 a" and "JC Day" signature ) indicates that they were filled out at different times. I believe that this shows that they dusted two different sets of curtain rods, one they received on 3-15 and which was never released to anyone but rather destroyed on 3-26 and a second set they received from the Paine residence via SS agent John Joe Howlett on 3-23 and released back to him on 3-24-63. I explain it on my website: https://gil-jesus.com/the-curtain-rod-debacle/ There's a reason why police don't record or transcribe interrogation sessions: so they can make up whatever the suspect said. Anything the police said Oswald said has to be taken with a grain of salt. They rigged the police lineups They lied under oath They intimidated witnesses They denied Oswald an attorney at the Tippit arraignment They even arraigned Oswald for the assassination without any proof. The whole Dallas criminal justice system was corrupt, so much so, people were afraid to go to the police with evidence that they had.

I don't have a problem with Oswald using a 27 inch paper bag for his lunch if that was the only size bag available from the Paine home. They went shopping. They had kids. They bought lots of groceries. Personally, I don't find anything extraordinary about them having large bags at the house. In fact, Frazier described the bag he saw as a "large department store paper bag". Large department store bags aren't put together with tape. Certain facts remain: That no witness ever saw him bring a 38 inch package to work that day. That the FBI could not identify the three loose fibers they found in the "gunsack" as coming from the blanket in the Paine garage. That the FBI could find no evidence that the rifle was ever in the "gunsack". That's just a few. Add to that the fact that Frazier told the FBI that he, "does not feel he is in a position to state that the original ( CE 142 ) is or is not the sack" that Oswald brought to work that morning. ( CE 2009, 24 H 410 ) As a result, Commission counsel never presented Frazier with CE 142 and asked him to identify it under oath. Why not ? Because Frazier was the witness who got the best look at the bag and he knew damned well that wasn't the bag. He knew the bag he saw didn't have tape on it. It WAS shown to his sister during her testimony ( 2 H 249 ) and she was asked to identify it. She never did positively identify it. So here you have two witnesses whose estimations on the length of the bag are consistent with the length of curtain rods and who never positively identified CE142 as the bag they saw. Not only that, their estimations are so precise they corroborate each other, leaving one to believe that either they coordinated the length between them or that they are telling the truth. In other words, there's no way these witnesses could be wrong about the length of the package they claimed to see. You're talking about almost a foot. IMO, there's no way they could be that far off. And besides the evidence indicates that CE 142 was not the bag they saw on 11/22/63.

I can only speculate Ron. My guess is that Oswald left the package outside the building on the loading dock. The Warren Commission ordered the FBI to go to the TSBD and ESTABLISH THAT no curtain rods had been found. A curious choice of words. Not to "ascertain if", but to ESTABLISH THAT. That message was passed on to the Dallas FBI. In other words, "go to the TSBD and tell Roy Truly that nobody ever found any curtain rods". In order to achieve that end, the FBI interviewed Roy Truly, who told them that no curtain rods had been found in the building and that it would "be customary for any discovery of curtain rods to immediately be called to his attention." I never realized that the TSBD had customary rules regarding the finding of curtain rods. But there it is.

And it wasn't for his rifle. https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1637/real-oswald-went-irving-on

Crime of opportunity ? The evidence says that Oswald didn't even know that the President was coming through Dealey Plaza that day and didn't find out until between 9:30 and 10:00 am when he spoke to James Jarman. ( 3 H 200 )

" On that day, ( November 21st ) he suggested that we rent an apartment in Dallas. He said that he was tired of living alone...that if I want to he would rent an apartment in Dallas TOMORROW---that he didn't want me to remain with Ruth any longer, but wanted me to live with him in Dallas." ( testimony of Marina Oswald in 1 H 65-66 ) https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0039b.htm

He writes: "Kennedy was assassinated. The wrong man was arrested." Couldn't have summed it up better myself. www.gil-jesus.com

I believe the "nobody said what?" is in response to Oswald telling the reporter who asked him if he killed the President, "No, nobody has said that to me yet, the first I heard about it is when the reporters in the hall asked me that question." It's right after this answer that, "nobody said what ?" is said. Sounds like they couldn't hear him in the back of the room and were only getting bits and pieces of what he was saying. Somebody keeps yelling, "at ease" trying to quiet reporters down.

https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1631/snipers-nest

Steve you can find the list of showups and who the officers were who were present at this link: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340196/m1/1/ Brennan is not even mentioned.

The rifle tests proved that the CE 139 rifle was NOT the murder weapon and the Warren Commission lied about how the assassination went down. My take on it: https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle-tests/

"ibid" means that you can find it at the previously cited source. For example, you might have a citation, ( 3 H 425 ) and further down you have one that says "ibid.". If there's no source between them, that means that the "ibid" source is the same 3 H 425. It makes it so you don't have to repeat the source. https://www.google.com/search?q=ibid&oq=ibid&aqs=chrome..69i57.1547j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1619/howard-brennan-star-witness-who

I told you people the CIA would never allow their remaining JFK files to be released.

One of the moderators moved my post to another area of the forum without notifying me. I had to go hunting around to find it. The worst part about it is that when they do that, you lose the count of how many people actually viewed the post. So you never really get an accurate count. This is the new link: https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1615/curtain-rod-debacle?page=1&scrollTo=1716

Thank You I didn't know that,

https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1615/curtain-rod-debacle?page=1&scrollTo=1716

Joe, I think the murder of USDA agent Henry Marshall in 1961 is significant because it demonstrates how someone politically connected could, in fact, get away with murder in Texas in the early 1960s.

James Wilcott, who was a paymaster at the CIA for the "Oswald Project", told the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978 that the CIA was in , "as thick as thieves" with the Dallas Police. https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Wilcott_HSCA-pg.24.gif In addition, he testified that several different firms in Dallas had been involved in trafficking weapons to the anti-Castro Cubans. Were any of those firms the TSBD or the businesses located in that building ? The FBI never checked.

I've always believed that in order to find any conspiracy that existed, one need to look no further than Dallas. There's a reason why other attempts in other cities were not successful. There's a reason why the President was warned not to go to Dallas. Dallas is the key.

FWIW, Harvard University was involved in the CIA's MK/ULTRA program. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1977/9/28/cia-papers-link-harvard-to-mind-control/ That mind-control program was run by Prof. Henry Murray. In 1960, Timothy Leary began research at Harvard on "psychedelic drugs", which Murray was said to have supervised. One of the subjects of their human experimentation was 17 year old Ted Kaczynski, who went on to fame as the "Unibomber". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Murray#:~:text=The unwitting undergraduates were submitted,levels of stress and distress.