Kathleen Collins

Thank you, Dixie. Kathy

I think there's a thread about John Jr's death, but I couldn't find it when I needed it. I was a believer of a report from Division (number - forget) about John Jr. John and his passengers were in a small plane that exploded in the air, witnessed by several people, including a doctor. I found the report on tomflocco.com. Evidently, he lies, so I don't know what to believe. Flocco's site says the night was clear, not cloudy as reported. And that there was a flight instructor in the plane with them. Flocco states divers made an 8 hour film of the recovery, but the flight instructor was pulled out of the plane first. Where's his family? And the Kennedys said they lost the film. And George W. Bush had something to do with it and was missing all weekend during his campaign. So now I don't know whom to believe. Maybe you can help clear up these inconsistencies. Thank You. Kathy Collins The videos were great. I believe Hankey published a book about John Jr's death and George W Bush's disappearance. I think he was on blackop.com radio. Basically, the 2nd video stated everything Flocco has on his site about John Jr. The flight instructor, the film, how it took so long to get a search party, the turned off gas valve. So I can be confident in my knowledge then. Thank you so much, Kathy

Deleted. I judged it as going off on a tangent. Kathy

Clint Murchison held the meeting in his house in or near Dallas. The Murchison I was talking about was Clint III. He divorced his wife, Shannon West. She was troubled and on psychiatric medication. She was found dead at age 47 with bruises on her body and a black eye. The coroner said she must have taken a lot of acetaminophen -- this was to plant this into the public's awareness, in my opinion. He said she died of a bacteria that's found in food poisoning. I call it a very suspicious death. Her sister claims she was bruised by a fall. The coroner said the bruising had nothing to do with her death. The Murchisons have to be the most powerful family in Dallas. If someone were to investigate her death, they'd probably drop dead too. This happened only a short time ago. There's not much about it on the internet, especially in the Texas newspapers. Kathy Collins

I think there's a thread about John Jr's death, but I couldn't find it when I needed it. I was a believer of a report from Division (number - forget) about John Jr. John and his passengers were in a small plane that exploded in the air, witnessed by several people, including a doctor. I found the report on tomflocco.com. Evidently, he lies, so I don't know what to believe. Flocco's site says the night was clear, not cloudy as reported. And that there was a flight instructor in the plane with them. Flocco states divers made an 8 hour film of the recovery, but the flight instructor was pulled out of the plane first. Where's his family? And the Kennedys said they lost the film. And George W. Bush had something to do with it and was missing all weekend during his campaign. So now I don't know whom to believe. Maybe you can help clear up these inconsistencies. Thank You. Kathy Collins

I believe he's dead and they're keeping it private. I think he's been dead a long time. And their goverment is gearing up their military to fight the Exiles and whoever else.

I just re-read an article I saved. It says that Jane Murchison was the mother-in-law of Shannon Murchison. And Shannon inherited all of Jane's vintage clothing. Kathy

Kathleen, Before making any more unfounded judgements, I just mentioned to TG, who recently discovered your blog, that you are a member of this forum and would check in on this. Where's the nastyness? I think you have made some very informative contributions to the forum and it would benefit others to focus their attention on such specific and interesting individuals as KK and DN. And at no time in my presence ever did anyone identify themselves as Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee Harvey Oswald, in my opinion, was killed by Jack Ruby while in the custody of the Dallas Police. Donald Norton, and I don't know which one it was, met Mae Brussell and John Judge after Mae gave a talk at the University of Dayton, Ohio. I was present, eighteen years old at the time, when he introduced himself as Don Norton, who Mae recognized as someone who sent her checks to support her research, which he said was "conscience money." Judge, Mae Brussell and Don Norton then went back to Judge's apartment where Judge noticed that this fellow was reciting some of Oswald's spiels. Judge and Mae Brussell later compared some of Norton's letters and check signatures with Oswald's signature and could not come up with a comparison. Now how that makes me sniping, pathetic and nasty I don't know. I thought you would straighten Tim Gratz out about KK, not attack me. BK OK. I thought it was sarcasm. If you read through this thread, though it was formed awhile back, it's pretty nasty. I'm sorry to accuse you of anything. Just the "wake-up call." I didn't know what that meant. I thought it sounded like you were telling TG not to believe anything or waste his time on my blog. I'm careful about posting photos on this Forum, so I do it on my blog. And I make no money from it. I just want people to see the resemblance between these Don Nortons and Ralph Gebs. BTW, it seems our Don Norton of Avon Park has a daughter and wife. He looks like a natural redhead to me. Kathy

What was the "wake up call"? Yes, I author that blog. So what? I research Karyn Kupcinet. So what? I think Paul Fecteau, a member of this Forum, was pleased with my observations at his Yahoo site. You should ask him. But let me tell you: he doesn't know anymore than I do as to who killed her. If he did he'd contact me. I'm tired of all the sniping at me over her. There was a lot of nastiness written about me in this thread. If it keeps up on this Forum, I'm contacting John Simkin. And that goes especially to Bill Kelly. He's the one who walked away when a man identifying himself as Lee Harvey Oswald spoke with Mae Brussell. Is there anything more pathetic than that? And one more thing: I never made a dime off Karyn Kupcinet. It goes much deeper than that. Something you wouldn't understand. Kathleen Collins

After I read the reviews of this book on Amazon.com, I looked at the Altgens photo of the Man in the Doorway. You can see Kennedy struggling with his throat -- so he's been hit first from the front. In that same photo, you can see Greer's head, looking back and his head is in shadow. I maintain that Greer could not have fired that shot. In no way could he hit the President in the right temple from his seat and posture in the limo. Someone signaled him to stop the limo and immediately Kennedy was shot from the right front, i.e., the Grassy Knoll. Then Greer hit the gas. Yes, I believe the Secret Service were in on it. But this theory, of the driver shooting someone in the back seat, opposite to him and hitting Kennedy in the right temple. Impossible, in my opinion. Kathy

Are you going to get the book, Myra? We can see the assassin in the Zapruder film. I hope this isn't the driver, Bill Greer, turns and shoots President Kennedy.

There are striking comparisons of "Red," Donald O. Norton, Ralph Geb and the Geb/Norton brothers on the following blog. Any opinions? Go to: thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com Kathy

For Big Oil, there's Clint Murchison and George HW Bush. For clarity's sake, I don't understand whether you think these men were in the TSBD or just Dealey Plaza? Nixon, for instance. What was he representing? And don't forget Lyndon Johnson. Kathy

I know: the butler did it. Kathy

That's your opinion. I don't mind that. This thread was create a theory and I did. Let's read yours. Kathy Collins

Why does it look like that guy's hand is photoshopped? I knew someone was going to ask me that. I rubbed a headline off the picture and accidentally rubbed part of the man's finger off. I used the Paint program on my computer to put it back. But the picture otherwise is legitimate. I was trying to show what state Diana was in. Kathy

For some reason, I cannot see any photos. I don't know why that happens. But here's my theory: you asked for it. There were 2 Oswalds, one named Lee and one, Harvey. Harvey did not know about Lee. Lee shot at the President from the TSBD and Harvey who worked there got framed. It is possible that Lee and Harvey were cousins. They shared a resemblance, at least in photos. Supposedly, a LHO went to Russia to live. But if someone actually defected, another man came back. A lookalike. The voice on the tape from Russia, where Harvey is supposedly teaching another man English, was the same as Harvey's. It started off a bit British, but by the time he "came back," he spoke English well. And it was the same voice that had stammered over the English he was reading aloud. So Harvey was not an American, imo. Who killed Kennedy? Curtis Le May and Lymen Lemnitzer from the military ordered it. The oil barons funded it. The CIA trained the Cuban Exiles to carry out the assassination, which may have included a Mafia hit man. The Secret Service allowed it to happen. And Johnson gained from it; at least at first. Kennedy was shot at from all sides. He was never going to escape alive. For someone so beloved all over the world, he had the worst enemies. J. Edgar Hoover knew it was going to happen, as did Nixon and -- according to members of the Baptist religion -- Cardinal Spellman knew it was going to take place and did absolutely nothing to prevent it; as did other high-ranking Catholics, imo. Kennedy was seen as too liberal. Kathy Collins

I appear to have caught you on an "off" day, Len. Revisit my post. My point was that both the wife and I saw the footage of the Merc upside down on the Sunday morning's TV coverage. We didn't need confirmation of the fact - which I strongly suspect contributed to the delay in getting Diana to hospital, as it was clear the door of the upside down vehicle wouldn't open cleanly - and I really paid no heed to this element of the newspaper coverage on Sunday* because it was such an obvious and unremarkable thing to say (that the vehicle came to rest upside down). It was only retrospectively that it assumed significance as recreation after recreation omitted this blatant fact. Paul *The story made the later editions of all the Sunday heavyweights available in this part of northern England. Here are 2 pictures. One is of the car. The other is Diana in the car. Both photos are here for research purposes only. Kathy

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I was told by another researcher that Dallas was a dry city -- Ruby didn't even sell alcohol in his Carousel Club. The men just went to see women stripping. And Dallas was proud that there was no alcohol. So how did the SS get the alcohol? From another county? Kathy

Did anyone actually investigate LeMay regarding the Assassination of John Kennedy? He was top dog in the autopsy room that night and would not allow certain procedures. I was reading about LeMay last night. What a horrible man. If Castro sneezed, he'd send Cuba to kingdom come. I never realized how isolated Kennedy and his brother were, facing a military desperately wanting to use nuclear weapons. Kennedy couldn't control the military, the CIA, J. Edgar Hoover, the Cuban Exiles. He had problems with big business and the oil barons. His brother foolishly rampaged the Mafia. Because of all this, I doubt he'd get re-elected in 1964. Why did they have to kill him? And I don't think anyone hated Kennedy more than Curtis LeMay. It was almost visceral. I'm curious as to how Nixon at that time would have handled these problems with Cuba, Soviet, etc. Kathy

I've seen Mailer on C-Span recently. He's about ready to give up the ghost. Kathy

And I'd add the Kupcinet Syndrome: We won't kill you, we'll just kill the thing you love the most -- your daughter. Kathy

Jack, this is very interesting. Unfortunately, the link does not work, at least for me. Object not found. Error. Kathy

As someone else said in this thread, the first responders were conspirators. I wonder if the ambulance paramedics could be identified by the ER staff. Of course, all eyes were on Diana. Kathy