Kathleen Collins

I found this while researching something else. I never heard of him. Maybe others know him. VINCENT E. DRAIN 12:00 AM CDT on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 By JOE SIMNACHER / The Dallas Morning News On Nov. 22, 1963, FBI Special Agent Vincent E. Drain was just back from lunch when Dallas police radio traffic pulled him into the biggest case of his career. About 10 minutes later, he was in the trauma room at Parkland Memorial Hospital, where doctors were trying to save President John F. Kennedy's life. Mr. Drain found himself immersed in history as it unfolded. His assignments included escorting Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle and other evidence to Washington, D.C., on a midnight flight aboard an otherwise empty C-135 Stratolifter. About 24 hours later, he made the return flight to Texas on an F-104 Starfighter. Mr. Drain, 86, died Sunday of a stroke at UT Southwestern University Hospital. Services will be at 2 p.m. today at Sparkman Hillcrest Funeral Home in Dallas. Burial will be at Ridgeview Memorial Park in Allen. "He absolutely adored his work," said his wife, Ruth Vandeveer Drain of Dallas. "Going to work every day ... he was just so happy to be in the FBI." Mr. Drain was born in McKinney. He received a bachelor's degree from what is now the University of North Texas. He wanted to serve in the Army Air Corps but could not pass the vision test. He taught school and coached football in Wylie before attending the FBI Academy. He graduated in 1941. He spent 28 years of his 35-year FBI career in Dallas, his wife said. Mr. Drain was extensively involved in the investigation of Kennedy's assassination but, out of loyalty to the FBI, did not write a book about his time on the case, his wife said. He did recount his story for one of the eyewitness accounts that Larry A. Sneed used for his 1998 book No More Silence: An Oral History of the Assassination of President Kennedy. The afternoon of the assassination, Mr. Drain was in the Parkland trauma room and at Love Field when the president's body was taken aboard Air Force One. About 8 p.m., Mr. Drain's superiors in Washington demanded the rifle for testing. He first had to assure Dallas authorities that he would personally protect the chain of evidence. In Mr. Sneed's book, Mr. Drain said he would take the evidence to Washington, wait until it was examined and bring it back. The negotiations and packing took hours, well past the last Dallas flight to Washington. "We were told that the FBI in Washington wanted the material by morning if we had to walk it up there," he said in his account. Mr. Drain arranged for a C-135 transport to fly him from Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth to Washington. "This was an empty plane, and they were flying high and really letting her go," Mr. Drain said. "During the flight they let me listen to all the shortwave broadcasts about the British, French and Canadians – calling their troops and their submarines going to sea – because they were afraid the Russians might attack." Mr. Drain later took other evidence to Washington and back. He worked on the investigation, including interviewing Oswald's wife, Marina, whom he met the night of the assassination. He said he was part of a team that worked long hours on the case. Mrs. Drain said her husband did "tons of interviews" and testified before the Warren Commission. Kathy

The possibility that Danny boy may have covert connections becomes most interesting in retrospect, given his connections to JFK and his meteoric rise to prominence...plus interesting "assignments" like Afghanistan and the Kerry campaign fiasco. Nice intelligence asset to be the voice of CBS for years...you know, the Coverup Broadcasting System. Think about it! I must reread the Monte Evans monograph THE RATHER NARRATIVE with ONI in mind. And Penn Jones, A RETIRED GENERAL, used to tell me that Dan Rather was one of the most important people in Dallas on 11-22. Did Penn have an inside source on Dan? Jack Damn it. Somebody beat me to it. It's Dan Rather. Kathy P.S. He saw the "other" film too, didn't he?

Mr. Janney, it has been written on this Forum that Mary Pinchot Meyer had a small coterie of politicians' wives whom she got to take LSD. And their goal was to get their husbands in government to take LSD. It has been mentioned that Jacqueline Kennedy was Mary's close friend. And I saw a photo of Jackie, walking that same tow path alone. Did Jackie ever take LSD? Do you know where Mary Pinchot Meyer was on Nov. 22, 1963? Kathy Collins

I am very interested in getting that book by Nina Burleigh: A Very Private Woman: the Life and Unsolved Murder of Presidential Mistress Mary Meyer. In the mean time, does anyone know where Mary Meyer was on November 22, 1963? Could she have been the one who made the Oxnard call? She would have to be in California early that day. Supposedly, the distraught woman was calling from a legal practice and was screaming and whispering, "They're going to kill the President." It doesn't hurt to inquire. Also, where can I get that book on Mary Meyer? And I never believed Leo Damore committed suicide, but I don't know the circumstances. When it was announced in the 80's, he was making a lot of appearances and I was reading Senatorial Privilege at the time in paperback. Also, I don't believe Phil Graham killed himself either. And for that matter, some time later, I don't believe Hunter S. Thompson killed himself either. And 2 other mysterious deaths were Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin. And of course John Lennon's death. Kathy

There are 4 sources that I know of to hear LHO's voice. The Russian tape in 1961 (Kennedy had just been inaugurated); the 2 radio interviews in 1963; and when he was in custody in the Dallas police station. When he was handing out FPCC flyers, I don't recall if his voice was recorded at all on that occasion. I wonder what his first language was -- Hungarian or Russian? In the Russian tape, you know he's not speaking English correctly; it's like he was learning it. According to (I know, everybody hates him) Norman Mailer, Marina said his Russian wasn't too good when she met him but he was improving. If this is true, than Russian might have been another language he had to learn. What was his first language -- Hungarian? -- as the Oswalds were supposedly Hungarian. Whatever the combination, you have to listen to that Russian tape. It's so weird. Kathy

No. The Russian tape is a real man's voice. Supposedly he's reading something to a Russian friend to try to teach him English. I think he was just practicing. It was the weirdest accent I ever heard. It sounded like he had learned English from the British. And in 1963 he sounded better. It was the same voice you hear on the videos of Oswald speaking while in police custody. I edited my original post for grammatical errors. Kathy

Thanks for correcting the link. On youtube.com they also have that backwards speech, where the "real" thing the person is saying is played backwards. They do this to some of Oswald's speech. Kathy

Tonight I listened to 3 samples of LHO's voice The first audio sounded like a person to whom English was a second language, and in this audio you can detect a British -- not American -- accent. This was in 1961. He's supposedly trying to teach a Russian friend English. Two years later, he was speaking better English, but it was the same voice and the same man who had been in Russia. http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald/video/oswald-bb.htm www.jfk-online.com/jfkaudio.html In mid-summer 1963, Oswald appeared on 2 radio shows. It was the same man talking, the Russian Oswald. But Oswald spoke English better now. There was no way "Harvey" could have been an American, in my opinion. I think Harvey was really Russian. When he came "back" from Russia, he had a manufactured family already, meaning his "mother," the old Margarite and a "brother," Robert Oswald. He was not blood related to them. He brought his Russian bride to America and had 2 children with her. In my opinion, when they exhumed Harvey, the head was not attached, or it was attached by gluey matter, according to someone who examined the body. This gluey stuff might have been manufactured to look real, or it didn't exist. They left the body alone, but tested the head. Evidently it was Harvey's head, unless they lied. So do we have Lee's body? The crypt showed signs of disturbance. Lee helped set up Harvey. But he knew the secret. He might have been as stupid as Harvey and was rubbed out. Lee Oswald already existed in America, imo. But we've never heard his voice and we don't know what happened to him after the Assassination. The last we saw him, he had gotten into a car driven by another person and sped off. So who is Donald O. Norton? John Armstrong spent a lot of time chasing after him. If we could hear Norton's voice... Let me say, I started this thread because the search engine doesn't work for me. It kept coming back to the current page or went to an error page. I tried different keywords; nothing helped. So I'm sorry if someone started a similar thread and I couldn't get access to it. Kathy

Len, although I sense hostility from you, I have come to the conclusion that Tom Flocco is nuts and he makes people who believe in Conspiracy in the death of John F. Kennedy look crazy. Kathy

Listen to this one. I had to have a lumpectomy in 1997 and fortunately it was benign. They sent me home in a "surgical bra." You could buy something like this in K-Mart and it would have been superior. The hospital sent me an itemized bill, which they had also sent to my insurance. The surgical bra was listed and I was shocked -- and still angry -- because they were charging $237 for it. Is this for real? It was a complete waste. There was nothing special about the bra. It closed with Velcro. Kathy

Charles, why would "they" need a false beacon? If there was a barametric bomb onboard or as Tom Flocco says, there was a flight instructor onboard, which we weren't told, who might have shut off the engine by turning a handle behind the pilot's seat -- a Manchurian Candidate -- either way this would have killed the passengers. No matter how fast they got there, everyone would be dead, so why a false beacon? Kathy

Shannon West Murchison died on April 30, 2005. An autopsy was ordered due to extensive bruising on her body and black eyes, suffered, supposedly, in a previous fall. She was 47 years old. Mrs. Murchison loved fashion. She donated her time and her money to charitable causes, especially regarding children. She supported George W. Bush for president in 2000, donating $5,000 from Tecon Corp -- I must look into that. Other Texans spoke of the suspicious nature of her death: "Texas Journalism" from a commentator on FamilyLawCourts.com 1. The slow, downward death spiral. From custody battles to death, as with Shannon Murchison, once married to Clint Murchison, III, son of the founder of the Dallas Cowboys. And: 2. A quote from the former husband sadly intoning he wishes things could have worked out better. DMN [Dallas Morning News] readers know not to expect even a mention of the fees the man paid to drive the woman crazy; or the firm he used to do so. Did Shannon know about her father-in-law's connection to the Kennedy Assassination? Kathy

A couple of weeks ago, while looking up Camirillo Ranch and its ties to Dallas, I came across a company involved with the ranch. There were several companies, but for some reason, I chose to look up Centex Corp -- and found Clint Murchison III. He's the son of the Murchison who held that meeting with Johnson, Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, and others, where they decided to assassinate the President. This was in the book "Texas in the Morning," written by LBJ's girlfriend. I decided to look into the current Murchison. And right away I came across something strange. Of course, in and of itself, it may not have anything to do with President Kennedy 44 years ago, but I find this wealthy oil baron interesting. The first thing on the docket is his ex-wife's death: Socialite Shannon Murchison died of acute bacterial meningitis that spread throughout her system, according to a report released Monday by the Dallas County medical examiner's office. The meningitis was due to a strain of listeria that can be found in food poisoning, investigators concluded. Her illness was compounded by liver failure probably caused by acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol and other medications. "The liver failure was very dramatic," said chief medical examiner Jeffrey Barnard. "It is likely that she took a pretty good amount of acetaminophen." "The death was ruled accidental rather than natural due to the probable use of acetaminophen," Dr. Barnard said. Mrs. Murchison, 47, the former wife of Clint Murchison III, was declared brain dead on April 28 after a couple of days on life support. An autopsy was ordered in part because she had reported to the police on April 19 that she had suffered a black eye and extensive bruising. The circumstances of her illness and death shocked many in Highland Park, raising questions among friends and fueling gossip. Dr. Barnard said the bruising of Mrs. Murchison's eye was a result from traumatic injury, but that it "played no role in her death." He said he could not determine what caused the injury. Other bruising could have occcurred because her blood-clotting was impaired by her illness and liver failure, he said. Mrs. Murchison's sister, Waverly West Buford, said the black eye was a result of a fall and that's all there is to it. Consult below for the rest of the story. My, my, another suspicious death. I've known people who relied on quantities of acetaminophen and not have liver disease. I think something is being hushed up here. The woman was obviously beaten by someone -- she even called the police! I could see her going to the hospital with such wounds, but she called the police. Whoever did it to her may have killed her. Food poisoning? OD? I'm going to dig further. www.listeriablog.com/2005/06/articles/-listeria-watch/report-bacteria-led-t Kathy

I saw an autopsy photo where President Kennedy had an entrance wound under his hairline in the front. I never saw it again. Does anyone know about this? Kathy

********************************************************************* Thanks for stating that, Kath. Ter You're welcome. As David Healy said, I was out of line. Kathy

Jim Fetzer -- I apologize to you. I know things that go on in people's private lives and the unfairness that can develop out of it. I do not know Josiah Thompson. It was 100% my opinion. I came across the video by accident. It seemed he walked all over you and you just let him go on and on. What you should do is yell over him with your opinions or facts. It's better than sitting there quiet. He kept calling you a nut, and so he's saying it about all of us. Maybe you'll remember me. I was the one who sent emails out one morning before dawn while in an altered sleep state. The admin at that forum called me the Manchurian Candidate and it was about Jane Fonda. And you published it in some local free newspaper along with my name. Remember? God help us all. Kathy

Well, I know of one person who shouldn't debate Bugliosi: Jim Fetzer. I just saw him interviewed by Bill O'Reilly on youtube.com. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this on the Forum, but he came across like such a pussy! No substance to him! At least try to talk over O'Reilly. He sat there like a mummy. I also think he should have dressed better. Oh, and I was surprised he's a retired Professor. Didn't they throw him out for some reason? Harrassing a woman or something? See if you agree: Kathy

Actually, this would be my favorite: if Ann Coulter and Rosie O'Donell debated the Kennedy Assassination and/or 9/11. I'd like to see Coulter under that kind of unrelenting pressure. Kathy

I still believe that's George HW Bush in front of the TSBD. Maybe in the future some photo technology will be developed where we can find out if it's him or not. Kathy

Let’s look at a few problems with the story: 1) Poland and Austria are several hundred miles apart the don’t share a border, you’d think “American intelligence agents” working in Austria would now that. He latter changed the story to “German-Austrian border”. 2) The Italian Lira went out of circulation at the end of 2001 when the Euro was adopted. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/...lead/index.html In any case would someone be bringing fake Lira to or from Germany? (Let alone Poland) 3) The currency is spelled with an “i”, ‘lyra’ is something else 4) I’ve seen no indication the every was anything known as “interbank Italian Lira”. 5) “Millions in Italian Lira” was not a lot of money even if it were real “€ =1936.27₤” 6) There are no “e’s” in Barbara Olson’s name 7) Almost 2 years later no one else has picked up on the story. However I do believe it’s possible someone named Barabara Olsen was arrested on one of Austia’s borders with another country with ‘millions in fake antique Italian lyres’ Problems with story: 1) Are we to believe there was a shootout on a subway in the “media capital” of the world around rush hour (“Earlier this evening”) in which 4 were killed and 5 arrested but no one but Flocco picked up on it? 2) There is no evidence Flocco favorite intelligence agency “the American-French Alliance” exists, find me a reference to it that doesn’t come from him or one of his sidekicks like Stew Webb 3) Amazing that the AFA agents were able to take down 9 of their Mossad counter parts with no reported casualties. Flocco also indicated that Hunter S. Thompson committed suicide due to his ties to the “White House child sex ring” he and Larry King made a “child murder-sex film” http://tomflocco.com/fs/PhotographerTied.htm I find reading Flocco far more entertaining than the Weekly World News! His ridiculously stupid story that Bush Sr. and Jr. and an elderly Mossad agent personally sabotaged the plane and that the Clintons were in on it too was debunked here: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4974 The crash was also discussed here http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8306 I’ve never had problems with th search engine that lasted more than a few seconds. The search engine didn't work for me and it's not the first time. I still feel Tom Flocco is publishing the truth about John Kennedy Jr being murdered. There are many "conspiracies" that are odd. Like Chappaquiddick, 9/11, Flight 800 TWA, UFOs, Marilyn Monroe murdered, etc. I need someone to weigh in on this, whether Flocco is "tabloid" or not. BTW, I did not find Flocco on my own; someone very knowledgeable introduced me to the site, telling me Barbara Olson was found alive. I took it that Flocco was a reputable journalist. I guess I was "hoaxed" into believing this. And this same person also believed in Alex Jones. I would like Terry Mauro to tell me if Tom Flocco is "tabloid journalism." How do you know who and what to believe? Kathy

Kathleen, what leads you to believe that Obama was brought up in the Black Muslim religion? http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm Issue Date: www.insightmag.com - Jan. 16-22, 2007, Posted On: 1/17/2007 "Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background Sen. Barack Obama approached the media after a meeting with President Bush at the White House on Jan. 5. (AFP/File/Mannie Garcia) Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage? This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama. An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia. "He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign." When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not. Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education. "The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive." In two best-selling autobiographies—"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school." The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public. His father was black and came from Kenya. Mr. Obama’s mother, the daughter of a farmer, came from Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old. His father returned to Kenya. Later, Mr. Obama's mother married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Mr. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents. The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims. Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam. Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago’s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner." And it goes on and on. That's one item claiming Obama had a Muslim upbringing. Kathy

This is how I think it will break down. It's going to be Hillary vs. Guiliani. McCain looks exhausted already and on the news they said he's just about gone through his campaign money. Obama seems very popular, and to what I've seen on TV, greatly so among white voters. He draws crowds. This man was brought up in the Black Muslim religion and claims now to be of another religion. If he gets anywhere near Hillary Clinton's percentages, he will be killed, imo. No way is he going to be a Vice President or President. No way. Will it be a small plane crash? Will someone shoot him? Will he drown? Will he suddenly decide to commit suicide? I would not want to be on a plane with this guy. Who will win -- Hillary or Guiliani? Since we've had a Republican Administration in the past 7 years and it's been awful, I doubt voters will vote for Republican Guiliani, on that basis. I think we will have our first woman President. And I hope there are no spoilers, taking votes away from the Democrats. I think Hillary has worked hard for this. Who would I like to be the President? A younger Gore Vidal: and there's my politics. Kathy

I was thinking of Lady Byrd last night. I was going to post how kind she was for attending Jacqueline Kennedy's funeral. A car brought her and when everyone went inside, she made her way up the stairs with the help of a walker and sat in the last pew, trying hard not to attract attention to her. I always admired her for that. I thought last night, oh, no one will be interested in that and it's appropos to what? She was also a good partner for LBJ. She knew he was screwing around, but he would never leave her. When he suffered from bouts of depression in the Oval Office during his presidency, she would send him a letter of encouragement. I don't know what members think of Lady Byrd, but I have nothing against her. She also said, after the assassination of Kennedy that she "never met a woman more suited for wearing lace," meaning Jackie." Kathy

In defense of my post, called "A Death in the Family," it encompasses Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick and his having to identify those bodies. Can you put yourself in his shoes? In my opinion, the powers that be killed his 2 extraordinary brothers, his nephew -- the assassinated President's son -- and framed him with a crime that kept him from the Presidency. A whole dynasty destroyed and Ted has to deal with this knowledge and must eschew any conspiracy theories. I don't know how he takes it. You can believe Tom Flocco is a crackpot, that's your right, but I disagree. Also I tried using the Search engine on this Forum but I kept getting an error message. Finally, the search function brought me to my own post today. Maybe this is something Andy can help me with or maybe it doesn't function right for everyone. So there go your 2 or 3 threads. I'm sure John Jr's death was discussed on this forum, but right now I have no access to it. And it's not the first time. Kathy