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Vince Palamara

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  1. 2 hours ago, David Josephs said:

    Got it....   "a unidentified CIA agent" showing his credentials yet remaining unidentified... :blink:

    Putting the "secret" in the Secret Service... 

    Berger differentiated between the CIA agent and the FBI agent. The FBI agent turned out to be Doyle Williams, the same man who was used in the Warren Commission re-enactments, sitting in the follow-up car (used as "the limousine") and wearing Connally's jacket!

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  2. 2 hours ago, Anthony Thorne said:

    But by and large I imagine the crowd that turned up at Baker's festival to hear various speakers talk aren't really there because they think that Baker's thwarted love life is a huge, ongoing national security issue. They're there because they think the fact a good President got whacked and the media and government covered it up after the event is something that should make people angry. At least I'm guessing that's why they're there.

    You can frame that, Anthony! FINALLY somebody gets it!

    The people I spoke to informally at the conference this past November were either oblivious to JVB or didn't care. They saw this as a JFK assassination conference; period, end of story. They didn't view this as "you are now under her spell and your attendance equates to a loyalty oath" haha! Geez Louise...

    Many people I spoke to never read her book (!) and only knew her as a nice lady who puts on an entertaining conference--these were the unknown, non-researcher attendees I chatted with (quite a few in four days). As for the seasoned authors and researchers (name people) I spoke to, the clear feeling conveyed to me was that this was a forum located in Dallas, the site of the JFK assassination, in which they could give their lecture and perhaps sell some of their books. You know what people were REALLY excited about? Going to Dealey Plaza and SOCIALIZING WITH OTHERS! NETWORKING! To the point where many CAPA folks intermingled with "us" on the knoll and elsewhere.

  3. 1 hour ago, B. A. Copeland said:

    My brain can’t help but to wonder that too. I remember Dulles’ words that an agent wouldn’t ever really do that (reveal that they’re agents or whatnot) but I mean it is within the realm of possibility. Not to slam Vince or his findings but Steve you might be on to a possibly logical issue with either the ID of the man by those who interacted with him at the time and/or those of us trying to learn his ID today. Great find regardless Vince.

    thanks!

  4. 36 minutes ago, Rob Clark said:

    Exactly....💯

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    Are people going to disassociate themselves from John Newman and all the CAPA people who attended/ are attending her (future) conferences? If so, that would be a damn shame and their loss: John is brilliant. Heck, he could even attend a James "I am not in any" Files conference and I would just say "tsk task" and move on.

  5. 13 hours ago, Rob Clark said:

    Would you speak at the James Files Conference Vince? How bout the Loy Factor Conference? 

    You make some good points, Rob. Trust me-I fully "get" what you all are saying.

    I look at it this way: my publisher, Kris Millegan of Trine Day, invited me to be a speaker for this past November conference; I accepted. I am a Trine Day author. I wasn't invited to CAPA.

    Like I said above (and elsewhere), if you were a fly on the wall, you would definitely have the impression that this was a TRINE DAY conference--no photos of Judyth are anywhere to be found, no loyalty oaths are given, and, with so many (CAPA BOARD MEMBERS AND BOARD OF ADVISORS!!!) luminaries attending (Newman, the two Wechts, etc.), pretty soon there won't be anyone left to "safely" follow. 

    As someone who "lived through" the Lancer/COPA feud of 1993-2000ish, I can tell you, WITH A STRAIGHT FACE, the bad feelings toward Deb Conway were identical to Judyth; it is what it is (and I mean to cast no aspersions toward dear Deb-just telling you what I saw, read and heard multiple times during this era): "this woman came out of nowhere! WHO is she?!? She is only in it for the money! I never heard of her until 1995! I think she is CIA! SHE IS TRYING TO CO-OPT COPA AND THE RESEARCH COMMUNITY! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!"

    Sounds eerily familiar? :)

  6. On 1/12/2020 at 9:59 PM, S.T. Patrick said:

    The JVB does have a sister who remains supportive and was at the conference this year. I have never seen her speak on the subject, but I'm assuming her support at the conferences means something about her trust in the story.

     

    She also appears near the beginning of Judyth's appearance on THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY.

  7. 8 minutes ago, Anthony Thorne said:

    I figure people can say whatever they want, but there would be a big crowd at Baker’s conference who have never followed the details and might have easily ended up attending CAPA under different circumstances. If you’re a writer trying to get the word out, why throw them all out with the bath water.

    An idea which will never happen but which would have been good to see. Both sides should have a detente on the retail side of things and have everyone’s books available under a big tent somewhere, so people can buy Jim D’s book, Hyman’s volume from Trine Day, Newman’s latest, other good ones, and I guess Bakers if they were dumb enough. But obviously this will never happen.

    Possibly Walt doesn’t want to be choosy and they made him a nice offer, like, how about we publish your book. Do authors turn down publishers that often? I thought it was usually the other way around.

    I like your ideas

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    David Harold "Dry Hole" Byrd

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Harold_Byrd

     

    In the 1930s he purchased the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas, scene of the 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy.

     

     

    CIA Charles Briggs

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    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Charles_A._Briggs

     

    https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/washingtonpost/obituary.aspx?pid=176359949

    A notable contribution was serving as liaison for the creation of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, TX dedicated to the JFK Assassination. He served five years as Chairman of the Board for the Central Intelligence Retirement Association (CIRA) and also four years as Chairman of the Board for the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO). In 1999 he was awarded the distinguished David Atlee Philips Founder's Award by AFIO for sustained and exceptional contributions.

    In response to a query about Briggs’s role in the creation of museum, spokesperson Megan Bryant wrote in email:
     
    “The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza was saddened to learn of the passing of Charles A. Briggs, Sr. In the late 1980s, Mr. Briggs, during his retirement, worked part-time for about a year in the Washington, D.C. offices of noted museum exhibition design specialists, Robert Staples and Barbara Fahs Charles, as a researcher and writer. A well-respected member of the Staples & Charles team, Briggs along with his research partner, Abigail Porter, assisted in the development of The Sixth Floor exhibition, John F. Kennedy and the Memory of a Nation. Briggs contributions are still evident and continue to be appreciated by Museum visitors today
  9. 1 minute ago, Anthony Thorne said:

    Vince - re above - fair enough. 
     

    James Corbett has run some big 9/11-related semi conferences with a week or more of participants. He did it all over Skype for free and chucked everything on YouTube for everyone to watch at the end of the week.

    Very cool idea!

    It's funny--despite all the hard feelings from some, the number of attendees at both conferences this past fall is about on par with the 1990's conferences I attended: 150 or so people.

    Back in 1999, Deb was the one a lot of people were weary of (it is what it is, right or wrong).

    20 years later, it is someone else.

  10. Just now, Anthony Thorne said:

    What hypocrisy?

    Just because Walt doesn’t like Baker’s books, doesn’t mean he has to sever ties with her publisher. 

    By and large I think people can do whatever they want to do. If Baker wants to run her conference, fine. CAPA should continue to run theirs too. That said if someone paid for Stone’s plane ticket and he spent more time next door, I can see why someone would be irked. But that’s really on Stone. I wasn’t there, and even if I was, I probably wouldn’t have been the guy who paid for his ticket, so likely wouldn’t care either way.

    CAPA is doing good stuff and I see a lot of good work coming out from the participants these days so it would be a shame if they all packed it in.

    I agree, by and large, with a lot of what you say.

    I guess I am thinking about a few people who make statements like "no one associated with CAPA should be caught dead near her conference!"

    Epic fail---several board members are! :)

    And Walt, perhaps Judyth's number one critic, doesn't mind the publisher association. No biggie to me, but some would say "ewww-why publish on 'her' label?"

  11. 5 minutes ago, Anthony Thorne said:

     

    If it does fold it would be grimly funny to see the only remaining conference be one where Baker rules the roost and everyone pays lip service to a relationship and narrative that clearly never happened.

     

    As I also noted in prior posts/comments (in response to Pat Speer's curiosity on the matter), no one took a loyalty oath at Judyth's conference...in fact, no one I spoke to even thought of it as her conference anyway! Trine Day publisher Kris Millegan was much more out front and vocal. Coupled with so many Trine Day authors, it felt like a Trine Day conference...and, judging by the reaction of the attendees, I don't think they give a *&% about all of this stuff: they were there to hear the speakers. And, again- I saw and heard a LOT of co-mingling on the knoll/plaza between CAPA conference attendees and Judyth/Trine Day attendees...no one seemed bothered there, either.

  12. 1 minute ago, Anthony Thorne said:

    What do they have to fold for?

    Trine Day was publishing conspiracy stuff long before they published Baker’s stuff. If Kris hadn’t found that hot pic of Baker to stick on the cover of ME AND LEE I doubt this whole chain of events would have started. That noted, if someone can mock up a backyard photo of Oswald with a rifle, Kris should spend a few days with Photoshop putting together the 70’s adventures of Baker with Elvis Presley. He’d get a few more book sales and keep the operation running.

    Anyway, why does CAPA have to fold? Maybe tell the guests to show it a bit more love next year or something.

    If it does fold it would be grimly funny to see the only remaining conference be one where Baker rules the roost and everyone pays lip service to a relationship and narrative that clearly never happened.

    I’m guessing Walt Brown views the Trine Day Baker stuff with a shrug. Skyhorse also publishes a few dumb books alongside their many good ones. 

    I agree--it is silly for CAPA to fold. Keep going!

    I only pointed out Walt Brown and the board members of CAPA who speak/attend Judyth's conference to note the hypocrisy inherent in their association: if they were so up in arms about Judyth, why the association?

    As I pointed out before, I vividly remember (in those pre-social media days) the outrage over Deb and her JFK Lancer: "she's a spy! She came out of nowhere!! Oh my God- she has co-opted so many authors! Why would COPA speakers speak at her conferences?!?!?"

    Now she bonded with COPA to form CAPA and that is all a very inconvenient distant memory now.

  13. Wait a minute, wait a minute...haha...what is going on here?! I just did more "digging" and found these from the official CAPA website:

    https://capa-us.org/boards/

    CAPA BOARD MEMBERS Tanenbaum, Newman, Cyril Wecht, son Ben Wecht, Bolden, and Benson who have all spoken at Judyth's conferences! In fact, Randy Benson was in charge of filming the entire Judyth/Trine Day conference: he was there for the entire thing filming away! :)  I am confused at the outrage of CAPA now!

     

    Image may contain: Randy Benson and Pete Hymans, people smiling

     

     

  14. Hmmm...more of Walt Brown with Trine Day:

    https://www.amazon.com/Other-Oswald-Wilderness-Mirrors/dp/1634242807/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1579569546&refinements=p_27%3AWalt+Brown&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Walt+Brown

    • Paperback: 384 pages
    • Publisher: Trine Day; None edition (April 15, 2020)
    • Language: English
    • ISBN-10: 1634242807
    • ISBN-13: 978-1634242806
    • Product Dimensions: 6 x 9 inches

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    There are two JFK assassination publishers: Trine Day and Skyhorse; that's it, folks.

    There are two JFK assassination conferences: Judyth/Trine Day and CAPA; that's it, folks.

  15. Wow. I knew (from seeing it firsthand) that the Stone/Judyth meeting was going to be huge news, but I didn't think it would come to this.

    Authors Dick Russell, John Newman, Robert Groden, Cyril Wecht, Mel Hyman, Robert Tanenbaum, etc. etc. etc. speak at her conferences. Being that there are only two conferences on the planet, our choices are narrow.

    I did see quite a few CAPA folks smiling and intermingling with people from the "other" conference on the knoll during the ceremony. The public at large doesn't know or care about any of this infighting and so forth. The hour is way late and the choices are very few. Gone are A.S.K. , COPA, Lancer, Jerry Rose's Third and Fourth Decades conferences, the Midwest Conferences of the 1990's, etc.

    Ironically, even Walt Brown, a former COPA board member who wrote a book against Judyth, is a TRINE DAY author! Oops...

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    • Paperback
    • Publisher: Trine Day (1831)
    • ASIN: B01FIZESVS
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  16. 7 hours ago, Michaleen Kilroy said:

    Great find, Vince.  If the document is accurate, it would appear to make Helms full of doo-doo yet again when he told CBS in the 80s he "personally checked" to see if there were any agents in the field in Dallas that day.  Of course, he said no.

    If you had to cast someone from CIA being in the middle of things in Dallas, this guy would fit the bill.  And he couldn't have been Secret Service because they said no agent was hanging around Dealey at anytime during or following the assassination.

    I think you're onto something.

    Thanks! I discovered/ "popularized" this back in the early 1990's and noted it in my first book.

  17. 14 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

    Vince,

    Did employees of the CIA carry "credentials" identifying them as such?

    If he had "credentials", how could he be "unidentified?

     

    Steve Thomas

     

    I would think a fair amount did have some form of credentials to present to authorities and so forth if they had to.

    I think you are over-analyzing the language there, my friend. He was unidentified UNTIL he produced his credentials.

    The agent who wrote the report, Andy Berger, is long gone, so we probably will never know any more than we do know on this.

  18. 1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

    Vince I only have Survivor's Guilt of yours, I've never seen this.

    If I read the two pages of text from the book right Marine/CIA undercover agent Hugh Hudgins/Howell was at both Parkland and Bethesda.  He saw a wound in JFK's left temple, two -from the right, in the right temple area (?).  And says the throat wound was one of entrance.  Is there any other documentation of him being CIA or further corroboration?

    Then there's Colonel Bishop, CIA contract agent, "wasn't the only Army officer called, that's all I can say about that".  "There (Parkland) the Secret Service instructed me to secure the area outside Trauma Room One...".  Was he one of Steve Thomas local/regional Colonel's or like Hudgins/Howell flown in from Florida or elsewhere?

    Regarding the pictures the person inside Parkland with sunglasses appears a little slimmer, maybe younger, slightly different hair than the one outside the hospital.  It also looks like the one inside has a tie pin but the one outside has a clasp.

    Fascinating, is it not? I think it would be interesting to see what Colonel Bishop looked like back then. There is a photo of Hudgins/ Howell in Bill Sloan's 1993 book JFK: Breaking The Silence and we can rule him out as the mystery man in the shades.

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