Vince Palamara

7 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

From Vince's article: "At 12:45 p.m. CST, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, reported that a Secret Service agent had been killed along with the President." 

 

The KRLD footage is now available on youtube. Eddie Barker mentions the death of an agent around 1:05 on the CBS feed. Barker specifies, however, that the agent shot was one traveling with the President, which we know didn't happen.  He mentioned it a few minutes earlier on a video-taped segment taken before the bulk of the trade mart crowd knew about the shooting (which is also now available on youtube), and he says this segment was taped about a half hour after the shooting. 

So, yes, that puts the first report of a dead agent around 1:00. Before anyone could have known about the Tippit shooting. From someone nowhere near the President's limo, based on rumors he'd heard...AFTER some of the earliest reports had said the SS MAY HAVE returned fire. 

So, really, this appears to have come from the fact the last two shots were bang-bang. Some thought this meant more than one man was shooting, and somehow this got turned around into one of the SS agents being shot. Curious.

I explored this in a little more detail than noted about in my 1997 article in my first book. At the end of the day, I am inclined to believe Lifton's take on this: a ruse of some kind in order to invoke federal jurisdiction, as the death of a SECRET SERVICE AGENT was a federal crime but, in 1963, the murder of a president was not. There's a remote possibility that the agent was a field office agent from afar (away from the assassination site), but it is doubtful.

On 12/18/2019 at 3:40 AM, Steve Thomas said:

Vince,

It's always been my contention that the greatest evidence for conspiracy is not the number of shots that hit, but the number of shots that missed.

I was re-reading a couple of noes that I took, and something struck me. James Tague said, "

Mr. TAGUE And I ducked behind the post when I realized somebody was shooting after the third shot. After the third shot, I ducked behind the bridge abutment... And I says, "Well, you know now, I recall something sting me on the face while I was standing down there." And the patrolman said, "Well, I saw something fly off back on the street."

Do you happen to remember off the top of your head, which patrolman Tague was talking to? I'd like to go back and re-read his witness statement.

 

Steve Thomas

Wasn't that the Patrolman on the overpass, J.C. White?

On 12/20/2019 at 3:09 PM, Paul Jolliffe said:

Larry,

Can anyone here ask Buell Wesley Frazier what he thinks about the fact that Warren Commission document 1546, page 140, has him driving "Oswald" to the rifle range weeks before the assassination? I know that Buell Wesley Frazier did no such thing, but the remarkable fact remains that two men pretended to be "Frazier" and "Oswald" at the gun range! Garland Slack told the FBI that "Oswald" was driven to the Sports Drome Rifle Range by "Frazier".

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11941&relPageId=146&search=frazier

Further, the Oak Cliff mechanic, Robert Taylor, gave a statement to the FBI that he bought a rifle from "Oswald" in April of 1963. What interests me is that Taylor believed that "Oswald" was driven to the gas station in a 1959 Chevy (with battery problems!) by a 20 year old man with dark hair and a thin face. 

Since Buell Wesley Frazier drove a 1959 Chevy with battery problems, was about 20, had dark hair, a thin face and lived a few blocks away, I believe that not only was our "Oswald" being impersonated, but so too was Frazier!

Finally, remember that Captain Fritz tried like hell to browbeat Frazier into some sort of a confession to abetting "Oswald" on Friday night. According to Frazier, Fritz was "red faced" and storming mad when Frazier refused to sign a pre-written "confession." 

https://www.richmond.com/buell-wesley-frazier-a-commute-with-oswald-then-a-harsh/article_a9be7f2e-fb7f-5357-91c9-605df00641f7.html

Slack's statement, Taylor's statement, and Will Fritz's actions on Friday night would all seem to be evidence of a plan to implicate Frazier with "Oswald" as co-patsies. (This would have been prudent on the conspirators' part - the assassination would likely require multiple patsies to cover all the shooting angles needed to kill JFK.!)

What does Buell Wesley Frazier think of the evidence that a plan to frame him as a co-conspirator with "Oswald" was in place?

Very interesting, indeed!

6 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

I infer you've concluded the shallow back wound was at T3.  Yes?

I think we're on the same page regarding the medical evidence.  Thanks, Vince.

T3 or T4, yes. Thanks!

On 12/16/2019 at 1:38 AM, Ron Bulman said:

The page number is 235.   "as the Altgens photo confirms, he made a mysterious transmission via radio microphone that is not accounted for in his reports or the official record."

Can anyone on here point me to which Altgens photo this is?

see above ^^^^

notice the radio microphone up to Roberts' mouth

Emory Roberts was LBJ's receptionist while still an active agent--this is unheard of; never happened before! Agents are supposed to be apolitical!

22 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Thank you Vince, coming from you that means a lot as I'm not a researcher or writer myself.

My pleasure

37 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

I was told by a fellow DPUK member who was at CAPA that Newman's presentation was plagued by audio visual problems. And from another source I was told that  the cable was not working and after a 10 min delay he spoke off the cuff. Not defending anyone here just saying.

That is what I heard, as well.

(Bart- your You Tube channel is excellent. When you can, please post more videos)

41 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Vince, as a student of the medical evidence what have you concluded as to the location of JFK's back wound?

I firmly believe (based on my second book- the compilation of all medical statements/evidence) that the back wound was on the back, NOT the back of the neck, and it did not penetrate the chest (and, of course, it did not come out the front of the neck).

I further believe the neck wound (where the tracheostomy was located) was an entrance wound from the front.

I also believe that the occipital-parietal area of the head was blasted out and that the shot came from the front. I do not rule out another shot to the head from behind.

I also believe there was AT LEAST one missed shot.

Finally, I believe Connally was hit by a separate shot so, obviously, I think the SBT is crap.

5 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

What puts Roger Craig in perspective for me is his being proclaimed Man of the Year or something like it in I believe 1960 (?) by the Dallas Sherriff's office.  Such would not have happened without the approval of the old and corrupt Sherriff Decker ( I say this not lightly, there is proof).  Which means Craig towed the mark and walked the line within the departments official and unofficial rules.

Yet on 11/22/63 he unknowingly chose to defy his superiors and declare what he knew to be the Truth.  Then he stood by it.  Through being fired by Decker for it, he and his family harassed into poverty, attempts on his life, he didn't change his story.  One of those attempts succeeded or they drove him to suicide. 

Penn Jones helped them for a while but going from top of the DSO Deputies to persona non grata to fired was life changing.  Then blacklisted from other area jobs.  A tough row to hoe.

Well said.

2 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Si.

AWESOME NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Just as an aside, there's a picture of JFK's limo flying down the Stemmons Freeway with a person's foot hanging out the side. Across the Freeway is a man on a roof with a rifle.

I believe that he is one of Mr. Cooper's men. (Cooper was the Head of Security for the Trade Mart).

DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10, page 5

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm

This is the after-action report of Batchelor, Lumpkin and Stevenson:

Steve Thomas

 

Interesting, indeed.

15 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

I write in INTO THE NIGHTMARE about how LBJ's Secret Service Agent Rufus Youngblood testified to the Warren Commission that after the shots were fired, he switched from 

the "Baker" to the "Charlie" frequency, but I speculate that he actually did the opposite. The Secret Service

was communicating on those two frequencies in Dallas. The Baker frequency was more limited, for transmissions between cars in the motorcade, but Charlie had much broader links among the cars in the motorcade, the Trade Mart, and Air Force One and Two, via the temporary White House Communications Agency Center setup at the Sheraton Hotel in Dallas, which was itself linked directly to the White House. LBJ and Youngblood evidently were listening to the agent's walkie-talkie. Johnson's "ducking" that Penn Jones talked

about (i.e., why he is barely visible in the Altgens photo, seemingly leaning forward) was possibly to listen to the walkie-talkie. Johnson lied about Youngblood supposedly jumping over the front

seat to shield him when the shots were fired, which Sen. Ralph Yarborough, who was riding in the back seat

with LBJ and Lady Bird, told me did not happen.

Good points, Joe. Your book is excellent.

2 hours ago, S.T. Patrick said:

Andrej, I have encountered The JVB on quite a few occasions. I admit that I've never read Me & Lee, as, honestly, I've never been that interested in that angle, and, like with The Inheritance, I find the myriad claims so fantastic as to be almost too fitting. Yet, I will admit that I've spent zero time researching The JVB's story. But I will also admit to liking Haslam and DMM. I'm glad you brought up the idea of "belief." Having encountered her more than a few times, and knowing many who've encountered her even more, I can tell you that I fully believe that SHE believes her own story.  When she talks about her story, I believe she's talking about it as something that, to her, seems true. Now, there could be quite a number of reasons this is true. I do not believe, at all, that she is talking about her story knowing it isn't true. Now, that doesn't mean I believe most of it. But I do believe its been created and then etched into her own believed autobio. So, as long as she believes it, we are never going to get that "gotcha" moment. We're also going to never see her "admit" anything that works against her story. 

Imagine what your reaction would be if you "KNOW" you went to Thomas Jefferson High School (I'll use fictional names here), but then a research community is telling you that you went to County High School. They are telling you there is no record of you being at TJSH, yet you believe you were and you have stories that you can tell, stories you remember vividly. Imagine what that causes in your mind. I think that's what goes on in her mind.

I can say this as long as I don't mention the researcher's name, but someone who knows her well also once explained to me that her difficult personality is caused by Aspergers. Look up the topic of lying and Aspergers/Autism. They manipulate greatly, but they have a hard time lying - some even find it impossible to lie or lie well. I would add here "...UNLESS they believe it." Unless there is something else happening mentally that causes them to believe what they've created. Now, I have no proof that she has Aspergers. Just hear-say from someone who knows her well but won't deal with her anymore. 

I don't know if this post ads anything to the mix of value, but I think there are more possibilities and layers (mental) than, say, the James Files story.

haha---there IS A Thomas Jefferson nearby where I live AND one in Virginia, too.

I believe Judyth worked with Oswald.

I actually read her book from cover to cover and, if she is making everything up, she should get an award, as it is amazing beyond words how she deftly weaved herself into situations with Oswald, etc..

I also believes she 100 percent believes what she is espousing. Now, before Pamela et al pummel me, just as S.T. admitted he did not read her book, I have NOT---repeat, have NOT---studied the alleged errors, discrepancies and other parts of her story that supposedly don't add up.

I am only interested in the Secret Service and medical areas of the case, so I am no New Orleans expert (I have read a fair amount, but those aren't my areas of specialty interest).

Researcher Martin Shackelford and I are not friends, to put it mildly. Yet, I respect him and he was an early backer of her claims. To my knowledge, he hasn't reneged on them.

As I stated before, MANY people cast aspersions on Deb Conway of Lancer back in the mid-late 1990's and onward as a female who came out of nowhere to take over the case and run a competitive conference (SOUND FAMILIAR???????). Yet, today, she partnered with her old rival COPA to become CAPA and no one seems to even remember those troublesome times. I had people saying to me "ewww-Vince: why are you attending HER conference [1997]? She is a spy, I don't trust her, she is only in it for the money" etc.

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My view on Judyth is the same as CAPA (or COPA or Lancer): the fact that there are multiple conferences in Dallas to attend is a good thing.

Here are the things that neutralize people's disgust with just her conference:

-quite a few people attended BOTH conferences- THIS year and previous years;

-Wecht and Groden spoke at both conferences (Wecht this year; Groden another year);

-no one took a loyalty oath upon signing up for Judyth's conference. Quite frankly, NO ONE SEEMED TO CARE one way or the other...only some disgruntled people here do;

-Oliver Stone was at Judyth's conference and...the rest you know. What are you going to do now? Throw away your copy of the JFK movie?

-Judyth's face wasn't on the conference banner, program or in the conference hall itself. She was very quiet before, during and after much of the bulk of the conference. In fact, if you were unaware of who she was and the controversy, you would think she was downright inconspicuous.

-many Trine Day authors were there (including me) and viewed this as a Trine Day conference. In fact, publisher KRIS MILLEGAN was infinitely more outspoken and conspicuous than she was by a country mile. 

Hey, I am NOT complaining (I love it), but what happened to David Von Pein? His last log in was August. Was he given the boot?

Not Craig. Note the color of the pants...and it just doesn't look like him and, ultimately, it cannot be proven that it was him anyway:

You wrote "Murray 1-19 allegedly shows Craig (which I doubt) at 12:40 PM looking at the station wagon seen in the previous photo. "

A good thing you doubt it--it's not him. In fact, it looks like James Tague.

Using a horrific-quality clip, you state at 1:17 that "a man looking like Roger Craig"...uh, it's not. An infinitely better quality clip of this exact film was used in The Men Who Killed Kennedy (I just saw it last night. I think it was in The Witnesses; one of the early ones) and the man is a reporter with a pen and pad to boot:

The rest of your page baffles me--unlike with the Babushka Lady, your Roger Craig page seems to (very) begrudgingly corroborate Roger, THEN you seize on a small discrepancy or what someone ELSE said about Roger, etc.

-you depicts several photos/ film excerpts acknowledging it is ROGER CRAIG; 

-"he was very credible in the first days following the assassination.

Indeed. This sort of reminds me of Peter Whitmey's blood lust in trying to debunk Jean Hill, who did undoubtedly exaggerate some things. However, at the end of the day, many of the essential details of her story/ statements ARE corroborated by what she said via the media/ television/reports (shot from knoll, etc.);

-My conclusion is that Craig did see a man looking like Oswald getting into a car.

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Three citizens had similar stories: Marvin Robinson, Roy Cooper and Richard Carr. 

Craig’s story was reported on NBC later that afternoon and Chief Jesse Curry was also asked about it.

-Craig admits he does not know foreign rifles---But the other officers on the scene did. 

-The only rifle found on the 6th floor was this Carcano. No photo of a Mauser was ever seen because none exists. Yes, but, by that logic, you are calling the other beloved members of the DPD/ law enforcement XXXXX, too, not "just" Craig. It doesn't put Craig in an exclusive club all by himself. Others identified a Mauser.

For the rest, see Jim's comments, above.

If anything, your page strengthens my feelings about Roger-thanks! :)

8 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Roger Craig was correct about there being an Oswald lookalike coming down the embankment. This was corroborated by both photos and witness testimony.

He was correct in the initial arrangement of the shells, as is corroborated by Alyea and an interview with Mooney by Mary Ferrell in 1975.

The Argentine Mauser is stamped with the 7.65 calibre on top, as proven by David Josephs.

There were differences between what was in printed testimony and what was originally said before the Commission. (See Barry Ernest's book about Adams.)

Yes. Craig's original statements (the reports based on them) are very good and hold up well.

I would stick with the Babushka Lady, Denis. I went over your page several times and I failed to see how Craig was making up stories. Quite frankly, several of your photos are misidentified (not Craig). It sounds like you have a specific bone to pick with Roger and anyone who goes against the Dallas Police, Sheriff, or FBI point of view. In addition, I am not convinced at all by several of your arguments/ time 'synchronization' with regard to photos.

Also (as one of literally millions of examples): Hall of Fame baseball legend Roberto Clemente was often called both negro AND Latin; not an error to refer to someone as one or the other.

9 hours ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

Fair enough, Vince. I shall put your books on my Christmas list.

On a slightly different note:

You've probably addressed this at length elsewhere, but what do you make of the fact that the Warren Commission never discussed/subpoenaed/asked for/published transcripts of anything said during 11/22/63 from the secure White House Communications Agency? Winston Lawson was literally holding one of their two-way devices and speaking with them at the very moment shots were fired! Lawson had quietly installed this very device the morning of 11/22/63 and was in constant contact with the Secret Service agents in the motorcade, yet we have no record of what was actually said! 

I believe this was deliberate on the part of the Warren Commission. What do you think?

Do you think Lawson was in contact with conspirators at the WHCA in Mt. Weather, Virginia and/or military officials at Raven Rock during the assassination, coordinating the non-flanking motorcycle escorts and following the previously cleared path to Parkland?

I agree---the WHCA tapes/lines should have been investigated.

South Hills

7 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Vince:

I thought you once gave me credit "for coming to your senses".

I did a lot of work on Bugliosi's inflated pile of junk.

I'll do you one better, Jim: your latest book is my favorite book of all time, while Destiny Betrayed is up there, too:

https://vincepalamara.com/my-top-25-plus-favorite-jfk-assassination-books-favorite-dvds-and-more/

It was correspondence with Doug Horne (and Dr. Aguilar) and James Douglass that set me straight. That was an embarrassing few months. My heart never left, but my head was all messed up haha

9 hours ago, John Kozlowski said:

I can’t even begin to imagine a president taking a ride through McKeesport today. 

haha! Truer words have never been written :)

1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:

Vince do you read or study about Marilyn?  Thoughts?  

I read a little about her, but my knowledge and interest is nothing special. I study the Secret Service and the medical evidence primarily.