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  1. Chris Newton
    Sandy, pure speculation... If we accept that Ruth stole Oswald's draft sometime in early November, she could have dropped the draft off at the FBI downtown as early as Monday the 11th when she had an appointment with her lawyer about her divorce. If it was written on an earlier weekend she could have given it to Hosty on Nov. 1st. If she did not steal the Oswald draft, well that opens up a can of worms I've considered but not given thought to, yet. Again, I'm just trying to understand how these events relate and why they happened like they did. Why did she withhold both versions of Oswald's draft from the Detectives searching her home? Where did she hide them? Why aren't they mentioned in her first statement? Why did she allegedly give Oswald's version to one FBI Agent and then later on give her version to a different Agent? Why didn't she ever mention the letter to her best bud, Marina? I, obviously, still have a lot of unanswered questions.
  2. Chris Newton
    No problem Sandy and thanks. 2. While Ruth was putting her child in a nearby high chair, Lee covered and obscured the "draft" that he was typing from Ruth's view. 3. This act of hiding his "draft" raised Ruth's suspicions about what Lee was doing. She did not observe either the draft or the typed document at that time. I have doubts about this little addition to Ruth's story. Ruth never elaborates about the conversation they had when Lee asks to use the typewriter. We have no context in which to frame anyone's expectations. Is privacy waived when you use someone else's typewriter? Did Ruth crowd in close enough that it seemed she was trying to read something? (snooping?) I have a full size hard copy of Lee's draft and there's no way anyone could read it unless they picked it up. You are not going to casually read it standing three feet away. Ruth admits that she never saw the typed document or the draft, so why is she so suspicious of Lee's use of the typewriter? We've established he had permission. This part of the story seems like a dramatic fabrication to support the actions she's going to describe next. (IMHO).
  3. Chris Newton
    1. Oswald asked if he could use her typewriter. The only table in the house was in the dining area so that is where he used it to type a paper and a corresponding envelope. I don't want to belabor this point. If everyone agrees that this is correct per Ruth's testimony; that Oswald asked permission to use her typewriter and did so at the dining table, in the kitchen/dining room - I'll just move on. From the FBI's Gemberling Report here is the Serial Number, model, etc. of the typewriter. If anyone can locate those 3 pages of specimens (D121) that would be a nice find, they are MIA in the records, as far as I can tell. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11133&search=Ruth_and+121#relPageId=111&tab=page
  4. Chris Newton
    Nothing screwy. I don't see Paul's posts but when you quoted him and provided the link to my earlier thread I saw it because it was within your post. I'm going to tie this in with David Joseph's assertions but I need to "set the stage" so that my own later assertions will be on solid ground.
  5. Chris Newton
    ...about halfway down this page she remarks, "I rearranged it on the evening of the 10th of November -" https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&relPageId=420 I'm going to come back to this page because we are going to look at the floorplan, CE 430 ,and the notations that Ruth made on that floorplan (which are still visible).
  6. Chris Newton
    If there aren't any objections to the "numbers" I posted, laying out Ruth's story, we'll go ahead and review each one. One thing I want to mention before I begin, I have serious concerns about why the Oswald's original draft is in Ruth Paine's Swarthmore archive. If it was written by Lee Harvey Oswald it either belongs in the National Archives or it belongs to Marina. It doesn't become Ruth Paine's property simply because she stole it from Oswald. On the other hand, if Oswald did not write it then an argument could be made that it may actually belong to Ruth Paine.
  7. Chris Newton
    btw, I recommend reading The Devil's Brigade by Robert Adelman for a fair assessment of Gen. Walker's record & character in WW2. let's re-wind to Ruth, any objections?
  8. Chris Newton
    If you want to rub elbows and dine with those Philadelphia-did-it folks I think the best place to do that would be The Valley Green Inn. http://www.valleygreeninn.com/
  9. Chris Newton
    Michael let's be fair. If you had a virtual warehouse full of Walker-did-it ebooks you would be doing the same thing. (like any good capitalist). For the record, as much as we disagree, I don't think Walker is Mr. Trejo's hero.
  10. Chris Newton
    Sandy, my theory on this situation is this: Hosty had already been given the Oswald original draft before the assassination and did not want that fact known so he didn't discuss it with Ruth early on 11/23 with the other Agent present. Therefore, her story wasn't told at all at that time and the fact that Ruth had a copy was still unknown. Hosty had no way of anticipating that SAIC Shanklin would send another Agent out to re-interview Ruth that very same day (purportedly because Shanklin was suspicious of Hosty's conduct). FBI Agent Odum was thorough and after hearing Ruth's story asked her to turn over her copy of Oswald's draft.
  11. Chris Newton
    Let's review for a minute why it is that I keep insisting that Ruth Paine told a story that was untrue. Her story is (per her sworn testimony): 1. Oswald asked if he could use her typewriter. The only table in the house was in the dining area so that is where he used it to type a paper and a corresponding envelope. 2. While Ruth was putting her child in a nearby high chair, Lee covered and obscured the "draft" that he was typing from Ruth's view. 3. This act of hiding his "draft" raised Ruth's suspicions about what Lee was doing. She did not observe either the draft or the typed document at that time. 4. Sometime after everyone, Ruth, Marina, Lee and their children, returned home from shopping on Saturday Nov. 9th, Ruth noticed a paper folded in half resting on the corner of her desk secretary in the living room. 5. The paper remained there untouched until Sunday morning Nov. 10th when Ruth awoke before the rest of the household and read the paper. 6. The first line she knew to be untrue. 7. At some point she made a copy of the paper. 8. She left the paper where it "resided" on her little desk secretary all day Sunday. 9. Sunday evening she decided to re-arrange furniture in the living room and asked Lee and Michael to help do so. 10. Just before Lee and Michael entered the room, she concealed the paper she had found earlier inside the little desk secretary. 11. Lee and Michael swapped the locations of the little desk secretary and the living room sofa. 12. The sofa was then located, (after the move), along the north wall of the living room and the little desk secretary was next to the east wall. 13. The arrangement would remain that way from Sunday evening, Nov. 10 through Ruth's WC testimony 4 months later. Any Objections to this?
  12. Chris Newton
    John T. Martin Film current link: http://emuseum.jfk.org/view/objects/asitem/search@/19/title-asc?t:state:flow=f8868938-26bf-4013-87ba-785a360b41c4
  13. Chris Newton
    I have no idea what you are complaining about. I quoted a writer and replied to him directly. If, somehow, I missed your original thought on the same subject, I apologize.
  14. Chris Newton
    Then... Why was she compelled to perjure herself at least three times? If you had nothing to do with an assassination what could possibly motivate you to make up a story around your involvement with the perpetrator? Was she simply doing a "favor" for her good friend and frequent house guest, Hosty, to cover up something?
  15. Chris Newton
    Oswald's original draft was allegedly given to Hosty by Ruth on 11/23 during Ruth's first FBI interview. Hosty conducted that interview with another FBI Agent and they both signed the FBI 302 written afterward. Curiously that FBI 302 doesn't mention Oswald's draft. Later that day, 11/23, Ruth is interviewed again by FBI Agent Odum and another Agent and she explains the story about the draft (again?) to them. She gives Odum her copy of the Oswald draft. Does this sound normal?
  16. Chris Newton
    Jeremy, I'm in agreement with you in this thought. I do believe that Oswald was impersonated (doubled) quite possibly by multiple persons in several different locations. But I also find it a real stretch to buy into a long term Intel project that started when he was a youth. There's no doubt though that intelligence services have utilized long term sleeper agents and this fact is the only thing that keeps me from entirely closing the book on this idea. I do respect Mr. Armstrong's research and Jim's efforts to keep it alive.
  17. Chris Newton
    It's interesting to note what James P. Hosty told the Church Comittee, that Ruth had told him she found the draft in Marina and Lee's bedroom. I find that explanation to be a bit more believable, but if it's true why lie about it?
  18. Chris Newton
    Yes. "The draft's residence on the desk" ended the same way your car's residence in your driveway might end, by theft. She is speaking about the draft that she, herself, allegedly stole.
  19. Chris Newton
    Thanks Sandy. He didn't spend the weekend working on it though. By her testimony he typed it between breakfast and when they left to go to the Driver's Testing Facility. It was the draft that she claimed to see sometime that Saturday afternoon on her desk secretary. It ("He", the note or draft) sat there until Sunday morning when she read it. She left it there until Sunday evening when she allegedly moved the furniture around. I know it sounds weird but no where does she say he was typing it after Saturday morning so he was not "working" on it all weekend. I have heard that type of speech before, maybe that's what made me pick up on it. It could be a Philadelphia thing but I don't know.
  20. Chris Newton
    Mr. Jenner is discussing the date that Oswald allegedly typed his letter and Ruth allegedly found his draft. As I read this question and answer again, I realized that a part of it that Trejo repeatedly claims is a reference to Oswald having worked on the letter all weekend is instead a direct reference to the note itself. "He spent the weekend on it", is in reference to the preceeding sentence. He (the "note or rough draft") spent the weekend on it ("my desk secretary"). So back to my question: What part of Ruth's answer is untrue and why was it necessary to make up a story?
  21. Chris Newton
    This post is a real valuable contribution to the JFK assassination discussion. Or is it yet another display of ego and hostility? Who's trying to control the discussion here again? Where is it written that Chris Newton dictates what is "allowed" or not allowed? Who between me and Chris is trying to limit posts to only the narrow parameters Chris decides ("you can either agree or disagree..."). (hint: you are neither the owner of the website nor the decider of what I say, nor the police responsible for enforcing only topics you want discussed) In the future, just ignore me; why attack me? if you don't want to respond that would be the best way to shut me down - but your repeated attacks on me personally are badgering and felonious. Most of all you write with the deepest fear and insecurity; I mean what if others were distracted from your self-love affair and deep public need for admiration? Jason wow. The things I want to say would bring the ban hammer. good luck.
  22. Chris Newton
    wtf Jason you are posting this in a Paine thread on a JFK Assassination forum. This is where we discuss CT. Furthermore, you are deliberately trying to take this thread off topic. If you want to engage in a discussion about DeM, the White Russians and the dinner party, which I think only Ruth attended not Michael, then start your own thread on that. You can agree or disagree with Davids assertion but you're not "allowed" to shut the discussion down. Stay on topic please.
  23. Chris Newton
    What part of Ruth Paine's answer can we prove to be untrue? Why was it necessary to make up a story?
  24. Chris Newton
    Thanks Jim, I kinda misspoke in my assertion above. I started off saying "there is actually one scenario..." and I didn't really mean to assert that was the only possible alternative. Marina could have been coerced into testifying a falsehood. Protests concerning the interrogation of her were abundant. In some cases this behavior was recorded, such as in the recollections of Life Photographer Alan Grant, and here as reported by the FBI themselves in regards to Robert Oswald's objections: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60313&relPageId=99 My personal belief is that there were more visits and these visits and their purpose were of great concern to the FBI and the persons involved. However, it can't be ruled out that a frightened and vulnerable Marina was taken advantage of and that that forever tainted her subsequent testimonies.
  25. Chris Newton
    The trick to fine dining in Ambler is to find a place as far away from the Asbestos mountains that are essentially across the street from McD's and next to the Wissahickon creek. https://www.mesothelioma.com/blog/authors/gary/ambler-pa-asbestos-capital-of-the-world.htm
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