David Andrews

I mean, so many directions, where to stop? Grant Stockdale Michael Forrestal

Are further votes permitted? Larry Crafard John Pic

A private pilot tried to explain to me (in a bar) how, if you couldn't fly by instruments, the plane could be nosediving into the sea, or even be flying upside down. I asked, There's always loose items in a cockpit: charts, pens, eyeglasses, a thermos, etc. Don't these obey physics and go tumbling about the interior, giving a crude warning?

Hillary. Otherwise, it seems like both parties are arranging a second Trump admin. Not speaking from personal taste.

I seem to remember that after JFK, Jr. died, someone who wrote for George magazine was quoted on his interest and reading in the JFKA. Can't tell you where it appeared.

OT: Trump supporters wear ear bandages at the RNC. Who says Fight Club was satirical? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-fans-wear-bandages-on-ears-to-show-support-in-pictures

Interestingly, since the rifle was supposedly chambered for NATO-adopted 5.56 rounds, MSN.com's news page ran this Field and Stream story on the 5.56 beginning at least a day before Butler, and kept it running. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/223-vs-556-what-s-the-difference/ar-AA1iMRIs?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=88b965b32b2b494b8959696338ff7f8d&ei=43

Abstract of a thesis on the Greek parakratos, available here: https://ims.fsv.cuni.cz/sites/default/files/uploads/files/KARASOVÁ_abstract.docx Nikola Karasová Parakratos in Post-Civil War Greece: Reality and Interpretation Based on a historiographical, archival and media analysis, this doctoral thesis explores the phenomenon of parakratos (translated as deep state or parastate) in post-civil war Greece (1949-1967). Research perspectives are fourfold: Firstly, parakratos is discussed in the context of academic debates on parapolitics and the concepts of the dual state, the security state and the deep state; and presented as a Cold War parallel security mechanism, analogical to Italy and Turkey. Secondly, parakratos is analysed as part of domestic political reality through the prism of the historical events documented in Greek historiography. In this sense, the thesis concentrates on the emergence and operation of clandestine military groups and parastate ultra-nationalist organisations against the backdrop of the Greek political, legal and social environment. Both phenomena are elaborated on through the lens of the inefficient Greek political and administrative system, a deeply divided society, the politicisation of the public space, and the persistence of clientelist networks constructed upon political loyalties. Third, the parakratos is examined on an interpretative level as a term and concept employed in Greek historiography. Focusing on its presumed roots, actors, purposes and relations with the state, three major images of the parakratos (paramilitary, military, and conspiratorial) are being outlined. Fourth, the thesis indicates that the parakratos-related conspiratorial discourse was linked with the anti-Right political speech, which subsequently influenced the left-wing historiography on post-civil war Greece. In compliance with conceptual history, the case study of the parakratos shows that, in order to take a fresh look at post-civil war Greek history, a major revision of used terms is needed. Not only do concepts such as the parakratos stem from the respective period but they also define it, thus determining which angle of interpretation we are going to take.

Some useful considerations presented by Eric Hunley and company today:

Deleted b/c point already made earlier in thread.

Does Trump employ private security, alongside the SS detail? Vince?

With all respects - looked a bit like the last scene of Robert Altman's Nashville.

And I gave you the reasons that JFK was not exposed. I stopped there because it was stretching the topic to mention that the hate for JFK had so amassed, along with feelings that he was a comsymp or traitor, that only bloody public murder would do, and not mere disgrace. Murder that could be further blamed on Castro's Cuba or Soviet Russia. Not sex-offender smears that could be turned against half of Washington. They wanted him dead for all the things they couldn't prove. Who was it that said JFK was politically reckless? Not I. Not a hero? Then why am I here? You have me confused with the MSM because I recognize the idol was flawed. I'll remember to be more obvious.

I'd say that they tried, and both they and JFK knew the minimal extent to which they succeeded. Unleashing the press would be declaring open season on politicians' sex lives, as has been proven by developments after JFK's misadventures were posthumously exposed. Would Ike want Kay Summersby's photo beside Mamie's in the press? Yet it happened following the post-JFKA exposures. The Profumo affair promised no good for whistleblowing American politicos. LBJ had Bobby Baker's brothel hanging over his head. And nobody would get a medal for forcing this on Jackie and the kids. Remember, too, that if pressed, JFK and RFK could leak others' secrets, and one brother was Attorney-General. If anything, JFK and Bobby discounted the "You can be replaced" message sent when LBJ was forced onto the ticket under threat of exposure. He would be the philanderer most amenable to any cabal.

Ask Not: The Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed by Maureen Callahan As reviewed today in The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/jul/08/ask-not-the-kennedys-and-the-women-they-destroyed-maureen-callahan-review The press, I notice, is pleased to smack its lips: "As a senator, JFK tried out his priapic power by impregnating a 15-year-old babysitter and positioning an aide beneath his desk to ******* him while he multitasked in his office. As president, he ushered White House secretaries upstairs after work for brief, brusque sessions of ********** and rewarded them with a post-****** snack of cheese puffs..." It gets ugly-worse.

Matt - Could you explain this a bit? If there's a longer post on this, please direct me.

Well, the book appears to be self-published, so there's opportunity for a revised edition to be picked up for print publication. Toward that end, some nice, credentialed researcher with a high regard for Heintz's original article and her Kilgallen-focused research could get in contact and offer tips on how to edit her JFKA material into a chapter-sized digest of only points cogent to Kilgallen's assassination investigation. There's a mentorship opportunity here that could produce a more effective text. With an introduction by...

Thanks, Paul.

Thanks. That's the one with fewest redactions?

In Black Op Radio #1200, Aaron Good quotes Angleton's Church Committee testimony from a recently released copy with fewer redactions. Where is that new document available, please? https://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black1200.mp3

Useful to consider who, or what, prompted the Starnes and Krock articles.

If you search the older threads (c. 2006-2008) for "pergola" and "Charles Hester," you'll find discussion of men purportedly filming from the concrete pavilion at the west end of the pergola beside the grassy knoll - and behind Zapruder. The pictures that were uploaded there may survive online, or could be requested from someone who downloaded them at the time. I'm not presenting this research as proof, but it was interesting to consider.

When you look at LHO's peregrinations and actions after the return to America, they resemble the movements of someone who's being told he has to work something off, some debt or misdeed. Probably his precocious pro-Soviet stance in the military earned him the opportunity to become an intelligence-trained false defector, but the desire to defect was his original sin, and after his return the threat of prosecution was held over his head. Every move he made thereafter inculpated him as a dangerous influence in America, regardless the reasons given to him for making those moves. Is that what he tried to outflank when he sought Honorable Discharge status? Maybe the dates of LHO's efforts and letters there hold a key to understanding the forces pressuring him to play Lefty Lee the Marxist, right to the end. Was the FPCC a CIA front, an intellectuals' honey trap? Then LHO'= was a state asset. However, a "witting" (Bagley) intelligence-trained former false defector could be diverted from there into a "rogue" plot. If we could definitely associate him with Clay Shaw, is he an asset or a patsy? Larry, are you saying that, returned to America, LHO was never an asset, but only made to feel that he was one, and getting paid for it, so that at the end of the long game he could be set up? It seems that the chicanery with his CIA files, and a part of the later cover-up, were meant to conceal his asset status.

Honorable Mention: Porter Goss, friend of the reconquista. "In his junior year at Yale, Goss was recruited by the Central Intelligence Agency. He spent much of the 1960s—roughly from 1960 until 1971—working for the Directorate of Operations, the clandestine services of the CIA. There he first worked in Latin America and the Caribbean and later in Europe. The full details are not known due to the classified nature of the CIA, but Goss says he has worked in Haiti, Santo Domingo, and Mexico.[citation needed] "Goss, who has said he has recruited and trained foreign agents, worked in Miami for much of the time. Goss was involved in the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, telling The Washington Post in 2002 that he had done some "small-boat handling" and had "some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits". [...] "He served in Congress for 16 years until his appointment by President George W. Bush to be Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). While in the House, Goss served as chair of the House Intelligence Committee from 1997 until 2005 and the vice-chairman of the House Rules Committee." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Goss Also a friend of Frank Sturgis. Goss is still sharp at 86.

Well, nobody's going to listen to us, but I agree. Especially from Russia there should be a committed Cold War perspective. Let somebody remember.