David Andrews

He's saying that a small, skinny Texas businessman who got caught in a crowd shot of the Pergola after the assassination was actually a taller, heavier, younger Cuban associate of de Torres in disguise, and that this man may, just may be the phony Secret Service agent behind the Knoll fence. That's based on this accidentally photographed Texas businessman bearing a resemblance to Chunky Cuban's father in someone's grasping imagination. Other facts in the article relevant to de Torres may be more reliable. Sloppy printing of the word Editorial in Oswald's address book is interpreted as a reference to an Ed Toraz (de Torres).

Why was the HSCA interested in interviewing Carlos Prío Socarrás, Cuban president before Batista? Would Prio have had knowledge that would warrant his suicide or murder? From Spartacus: "Prio worked as a property developer and businessman in Miami. It was claimed that Prio was involved in the Bay of Pigs operation. It was also suggested that he had information on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. He was also linked in testimony with Jack Ruby and Frank Sturgis. [...] " Officially Carlos Prio committed suicide, however, in an article, Did the CIA kill Carlos Prio?, David Miller suggested in had been murdered. " Do we know any more now than we suspected at the time of HSCA? What attracted HSCA's interest in Prio, or for that matter interest in Chicago hood Charles Nicoletti? Was it just the Jack Ruby connections? (Prio, Nicoletti and George DeMohrenschildt are linked as deaths occurring in the same few days, following HSCA subpoenas.) Keep in mind that Prio was 74 and perhaps feared scrutiny and botheration. Or perhaps other considerations prevailed.

To be honest, I think RFK wanted to show the common people that he was unafraid, and I think he also had a death wish and wanted to prove something to Americans by offering himself up to assassination. I feel that JFK had the same motives in riding among his enemies in Dallas. However, I think RFK believed that he was more protected at the Ambassador than he was. He had no qualm about being lead down an unplanned route and maneuvered into a tight spot in the kitchen, since so many supporters were close behind. He couldn't imagine how far his assassins would go. An aside: we think a lot about how JFK was led into the perfect urban geography for triangulated fire, but we ignore how RFK was led ahead of his crowd into that narrow space between the steam table and the coolers. And then the crowd was put down by a spray of gunfire.

What do we make of Doug Horne's interview with Dino Brugioni, who said that the Z-film that he made briefing board stills from showed a blood halo that lasted more than one frame, that rose high in the air and traveled behind JFK, and that was more red in color than what we see in the extant Z-film? Horne ought to have asked him about the two jetting white lines. The Z-film version Brugioni saw is lost, as are his briefing boards. Doug Caddy first posted this. Horne's long presentation is well worth listening to (audio in second link, and at bottom of MWN page in first link): https://midnightwriternews.com/mwn-episode-107-douglas-horne-on-the-zapruder-film-alteration-debate/?fbclid=IwAR1Xy1KmrxptgtXJa9rhH3M4FRpzOeTecMSlZuXgMfaCqY_PtP93K1rzY8w http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/4/d/e/4de31a4ed474a464/MWN_Episode_107_-_Douglas_Horne_on_the_Zapruder_Film_Alteraton_Debate.mp3?c_id=30998591&cs_id=30998591&expiration=1548737773&hwt=b82a1e1b4b84827f720c8aa9a1f45619

So when Talbot is saying that "RFK and Sheridan had the case cracked"...what did that portend for Bobby?

I'm hoping that Talbot is on his way to making a complete recovery of his health and his considerable abilities. One can only wonder why RFK and Walter Sheridan were so bent on damaging Jim Garrison's investigation, unless they felt that Garrison was undermining their own efforts.

Thanks David J, and thanks all. Just to say again that the people around the Hesters (or "Hesters"), and the Hesters themselves, saw a lot of discussion in the back threads, which may be useful to this thread. Mea culpa if I confused McKinnon with Mumford - it's been a while.

Anybody - is there a good, clear still of Crouching Woman that's not from the TV film, or if from the film, doesn't have the film company logo on it? I'm thinking of the classic shot where she's looking right into the lens. THANKS

At the right edge of the first picture in Lewis' post above is the "Crouching Woman" in sunglasses, whose full-on picture (a still from a TV news film) has become one of the iconic panic shots of DP. She was a grad student who later gave a brief account to the newspapers, I recall. Where is this woman in the Bronson frame that starts this thread? Is this woman with the "Hesters" in earlier photos? *** Also, in the back threads, much was written about the Hesters and their connections to government work in film processing. However, at some point later a thread appeared questioning whether the people photographed really were the "Hesters."

In Dag H's day it was an atomic weapons necessity. The consumer goods world was struggling to build a better electric shaver. I remember teaching Geography out of a textbook just humane enough to say that most humanitarian aid and corporate revenues bound for Africa disappeared into the coffers of dictators. The book also offered that the end of colonialism created African politicians who were sui generis, not sophisticated enough to stand up to Western economics. Gee, a trend, since Lumumba?

Pursued for mercury traces in blood flecks on the watch. Why not examine the copious amounts of blood on Kennedy's clothing at the National Archives? Silenced for something any forensic chemist could disprove by destroying it in the test lab, and then lying about the test result on a witness stand? It's done to prove cases many times. Warned off by Ronald Reagan, that paragon of humanity?

Delete, please.

By "we," I meant elected officials, appointed officers, and economic leaders in the Western world.

I agree with you, Robert, that racism has been with us for centuries. I agree that it exists in more races than the dominant one in a culture. I agree that racism may always be with us. The point is, we can't legislate in favor of racism, because not only is that a legal and cultural step backward, but the slightest movement in that direction opens the door to all sorts of extralegal actions, up to and including violence. This is QED under the present administration, and will be repeated in a more nationalistic Europe. If we had worked, since the end of colonialism, on making what Mr. Trump calls the "xxxxhole countries" more liveable, several continents and multiple peoples would not be suffering today. Robert, what is a society without multiculturalism like? I don't want to put words in your mouth, so I'm asking.

Multiculturalism is having a hard time working, thanks to a number of pre-existing influences and prejudices, plus some new influences arising within the multicultural experience. However, supporting homogenist alternatives in America is unthinkable, as the evils of the Jim Crow and Civil Rights periods show. We have to keep fostering progress, and not hand the future over to the MAGA teens.

Derek - you can judge a great deal about the book by the pages made available for preview on the Amazon page for The Inheritance.

Avi Loeb, chair of Harvard's astronomy department, finds himself having to admit, for the purposes of full consideration, the scientific possibility that the anomalously shaped, unusually surfaced asteroid named ‘Oumuamua may have entered our galaxy from interstellar space as an object sent by an intelligent civilization. One wonders whether Loeb's publication of this possibility indicates the desire to drum up more funding. In the New Yorker article cited, Loeb does a great deal of walking back the more sensational aspects of his possibility, at one point making the CYA postulate that the civilization that sent the 'Oumuamua "probe" is probably long dead. Here is Loeb on previous evidence of UFOs contacting our civilization: I don’t enjoy science fiction because there are things in science fiction that violate the laws of physics. I like science and I like fiction separately. The main argument against any of the U.F.O. stories that you may have heard about is that the technology of detection have improved dramatically over the past few decades. We have cameras that are far better than we used to have, and nevertheless the evidence remains marginal. And so that is why there is no scientific credibility to U.F.O.s. Also, what the article characterizes "as a strange object travelling through our solar system" is not conceptually the same as "the possibility that Earth was recently visited by an Alien object." I, for one, was not contacted.

I've been reading up since the Curtis-McKay interview and will try to weigh in after consideration. My first thought is that I'd be more impressed if the Democrats put over a single-payer health system in the US, but that isn't going to happen. Under the banner of HOPE, we got a president who lied about his grassroots campaign funding, and forced expensive health insurance on an already overburdened nation, to the benefit of the corporations that actually funded his campaign. What happy days those truly were when we did get a New Deal, even at the cost of entry into world war. See that song that Mary Poppins sang to the Banks children, but was cut from the final film release print: "It's Good to Have Illusions While You Die."

Glad you found that, I was about to post it. I will point out, like the ingrate that I am, that the The Guardian has never posted an article examining conspiracy in the death of JFK, and has posted several hewing to the MSM line - though, to the paper's credit, it does so infrequently. I would welcome it if some interested party were to prove me wrong.

I have to think about that one. I am so bitter about the sequential loss of working people's rights and privileges since about 1980, under both Democratic and Republican administrations and through the votes of senators and congressmen on both sides, that I long for a public educated in the history of the labor struggle in this country, c. 1870-1941, and in my worst hours I wish a return of the worst excesses of labor resistance to oppression that in those years won those very same rights and privileges. I had thought that the goal of society was to move forward, but I see only the reverse, propped up by the distractions of expensive consumer comforts which only incite the working classes to commit depredations upon themselves. We still swim in poverty, racism and ignorance, and only fascist politics offer a hand up to a supposedly noble dry land...upon which the working poor may enrich themselves by establishing a superior race, outlaw immigrants, and win back their jobs - or so goes the legend. The Curtis-McKay interview is correct to say that there is no counter-legend among the Democrats, a feature that perished with Progressivism in the persons of Franklin Roosevelt and John and Robert Kennedy.

Paul, some interesting views on the Democrats in the interview linked to below. It is possible that the ideas presented are either too small or too large for the Democrats in the Alice-In-Wonderland that is American politics in this time. I would myself be a Democrat, but too many other ideas interfere, driving me rather leftward. But, as said, interesting: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jan/18/adam-curtis-and-vice-director-adam-mckay-on-how-dick-cheney-masterminded-a-rightwing-revolution

"the TWA 800 flight that exploded" Carlier, find us some accounts of other modern passenger jets that spontaneously "exploded" in mid-air, absent a bomb or missile.

There were rumors that the Agency swindled cost overrun money out of Hughes during the Glomar Explorer construction. Less rumorous would be the notion that Highes built this thing not out of patriotism but in a bid to have government scrutiny removed from his enterprises.

If you watch that documentary I posted above, Hammarskjold's last writings express fear of assassination, and he wrote a will of sorts before flying to Ndola. Perhaps the cameras documenting his airfield departure on the so-called "midnight flight" were intended as an insurance policy.

Like that. The legend is that Marx was elevated to an econo-philosophical founding father at the interest of high profiteers who wanted competing systems to sell war materiel to. Among the supposed deceived masses, Communism would have been seen as a way to achieve modern society and destroy feudalism in Europe. No one counted on human weakness among the newly strengthened. And this just in: the rising backlash of Euro-fascism, supposedly also funded by.... Remembering also the legend that one of the Rothschilds made his fortune by knowing the outcome of Waterloo before the London Exchange did. Supposedly one messenger on fast horses and a fast Channel boat got to London ahead of the dispatches, allowing Rothschild an edge on other investor decisions.