David Andrews

Denny - I can't prove it, of course, but I don't doubt that Hunt was involved in Dallas. I only doubt his CT "confession." Nixon was afraid of Hunt's reputed ties to Dallas, and tried to play Hunt against Helms to get the Watergate investigation quashed. That was a mistake that brought all three players down, though Helms had the softest landing, and a continuing covert role in a newly-opening political sphere (pre-revolutionary Iran). The period between Dallas and Watergate was a watershed in Hunt's life. Dulles died, and Hunt was no longer a cultivated and protected protege of the old guard. In "retirement," Helms may have put Hunt out there against Nixon, but Helms was only too happy to cut Hunt and his wife loose, and leave them unfunded and unprotected. What Hunt did for the Enterprise in Guatemala, and tried to do for it in Cuba and Miami, was shelved as ancient history. Dulles fostered his career (no pun intended), but Hunt never got a office on the higher floors at Foggy Bottom or Langley. Helms made him a plumber for Nixon, an expendable role that predisposed Hunt to bring himself down with Nixon.

Can't we tax the nutters in order to support the Forum? I'm exposing my pugnacious self and my broke a** to all kinds of reprisal, here. But still -- TAX THE NUTTERS !! (I feel better now, OK?) Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife, but every fool will be quarreling.

I wouldn't put revenge past Hunt, and I wouldn't unduly blame him. But Dick Helms and Dick Nixon would have been closer to the bullseye than the cast of characters Hunt named. Nixon, for one, would have meant National Enquirer money for the family legacy. Still, revenge is a broad-minded endeavor. Don't ask me how I know.

Note to Kerry Thornley: E. Howard Hunt's first name was Everette (not "Edward"), a venerable name in the farming-merchant-lawyerly Hunt line of Hamburg, NY, near which I live; there were other Everettes in the family backstory. He did, apparently, answer to "Eduardo" among displaced Cubans. Maybe it was the easy route to a nom de guerre. Ease would have turned him on. Hunt is a soft target for money-making mythmaking, more than partly on his own recognizance. I'd weigh in opinion on the legacy of CT ticklers Hunt left behind him, but Jim and Larry confirm first-hand that what's been aromatic from a distance truly smells. Everette seems to have grabbed the most recent trends and names (Cord Meyer, LBJ, David Morales) off that newly discovered internet thing and, in the last year of his life, confabulated them, in accord with popular opinion, into an inheritance for one of his two primary caregivers, the one of his own blood. The only ace I'm willing to spot Hunt is William Harvey. Hunt couldn't, or wouldn't, accurately substantiate Harvey's participation, but I don't doubt it. Don't let it get you down, Denny. If books weren't persuasive things, they wouldn't be hanging around today.

Enfield receiver and .45 ACP round chambering? Interesting considering how both those characteristics have been associated with Dealey. Nice piece of household hardware as well. I've fired someone's Colt 1911, and the lack of recoil in this weapon is...wow.

I challenge myself as to whether my beliefs are justified: Why do I believe these things? Am I being influenced by something other than common sense, logic, the best evidence and most reasonable inferences? Am I perhaps resisting common sense, logic, the best evidence and the most reasonable inferences? If so, why? I'm sorry, is there some way in which we don't do that? Everything gets challenged here, especially by members other than the original poster. You may be thinking of Deep Politics Forum. You're the fella who posts a rant on how the back threads represent an unimpeachable golden age that we don't question. You assume this without researching any issues in them, or examining the pages of discussion logged there. That's an arrogant position from a guy with Opie's picture for an avatar. It's also arrogant to explain epistemology to us, as if you were the only person here with a Phi Beta Kappa key.

A t**d for Christmas! I got as much from the cat this morning, and with as much thought behind it.

May peace descend on all men of goodwill. The other bastards will be after us, guaranteed. Forgive me - a mild egg nog directs my thoughts

Jake, I encourage you and all new and recent members to research questions in the back threads of this forum, going back more than a decade. While good material from Jim DiEugenio, David Josephs, Chris Davidson, Bill Kelley and more (no slights intended by omissions) continues to appear, those threads represent the golden years of EF, and a lot was well researched and thoroughly discussed then. The back threads are preserved for good reason: they're a trove of knowledge. That, and a history of DVP's contributions.

Um, is Rosamond Press a history blog, or an arts-and-opinion blog taking liberties? https://rosamondpress.com/2018/12/17/xxxxing-with-alleys-friends/ https://rosamondpress.com/2018/09/10/surviving-a-mafia-hit/ There was once a lady posting on EF who was raised by Klan types who shot Kennedy. Then she went out to California to live with an uncle who turned out to be the Zodiac killer. Then she fled to Canada and unknowingly moved in with the Pig Farm killers... Rosamond Press's tidbit on Monroe at the Cal-Neva is excerpted from this page: https://rosamondpress.com/2012/09/02/vegas-handsome-johnny-rosselli/ which, in turn, shows it to be a lift from a long book excerpt on John Roselli, RP doesn't even credit the book he lifts from.

We newer members don't intentionally mean to rehash old debates. We are often just are not savvy with the archives. Now, Joe, we wuz talkin' of tendentious and obscurationist newcomers, not bright, young fellers such as y'self. I understands yer demmacratic impulse to defend the loyal opposition and all, but lookie who they done picked for a leader! It's like they's ridin' with Liberty Vallance.

[Lance's response:] One of the dismaying realities of this forum is that literally every conceivable issue "was hashed" (and re-hashed and re-re-hashed) a long time ago. Indeed, often the same issue is being re-re-re-hashed on five active threads at the same time. Both in my own thinking and here, I like to step back and ask "Does what is being suggested make any sense at all? Is there even plausible internal logic? Or is it instead a way to avoid common sense and logic and keep the JFK assassination alive forever as a hobby, a lifestyle, a religion?" But, please, feel free to declare victory in the name of the "membership." It's all the same to me. In this holiday season, late at night, under the influence of a mild egg nog, some generalities may emerge from an exasperated soul, to be applied to tendentious and obscurationist posters in the curmudgeonly spirit of Lionel Barrymore in It's a Wonderful Life. In the cold morning light, however - I stand by those generalities. Latecomers, go study the wealthy back threads of this forum.

Delete this post - a case of mistaken identity.

http://www.cornell.edu/video/reading-ulysses-1-introduction

O, rocks! DVP. Go read the back threads, where this stuff was hashed a long time ago. You're counting on the membership forgetting that we won these arguments. when the quick and the dead took the moral and factual high ground long ago.

I bloody well agree. However, let me point out that: Shooting JFK full-frontal on Houston Street and succeeding first obviates the triangulated-fire ambush pattern, and its values of mortal certainty and subterfuge; second, it draws direct attention to a shooter in the TSBD, instead of creating an atmosphere of uncertainty of firing positions, the value of which should be obvious; third, there is enough circumstantial evidence from film and witness reports to determine that the first shots from various positions occurred as the limo turned from Houston onto Elm, which calls Bollocks! on the thematics of your argument (not meaning you, Geoff).

On archive.org, Farewell America is reproduced up to page 81 - I suspect there's some pages of its Bonjour Tristesse glory missing. https://archive.org/details/FarewellAmerica/page/n79 Farewell America also available in .pdf on p. 3 of Robert Morrow's kindly uploaded Box of JFK Assassination books: https://app.box.com/s/8b408e6999f8799dfd0a?page=3

The encyclopedic style and lyrical prose used in Farewell America to summarize American political conditions c. 1963 are a smoke-and-mirrors act in themselves. A kind of seduction for a left-wing audience. That and the elegiac, pseudo-intellectual tone, for instance dragging in Calvin and de Tocqueville, who would be horrified, from their respective pedestals among the Immortals, to learn of an American coup. "Laying it on a bit thick," the English say.

I had thought that the previous reported Marina-Hunt sighting (before Currington) happened after the FBI was through with Marina. Again - explore the back threads.

Steve, check past threads on the Forum. A Hunt-Marina meeting some weeks after the assassination has been discussed here before, as some figure in the Hunt orbit claimed he saw Marina received at Hunt's office. I couldn't tell you if it were true or not, nor speculate on the substance of the meeting.

For devotees, this is what remains of the entire Apaul Corps (Apple Corps - A Paul Corpse) / Rotten Apple series of YouTube videos digested in The Winged Beatle (see post above). Use link below to connect to IamaphoneyHD channel featuring dozens of short films in the series: What's the Kennedy connection? you might well ask. I'd say, Paul Is Dead represents the Beatle will and money to create a conspiracy mythography competing with those in political culture. Perhaps this is part of the method of the White Album, or else the White Album displays the tired abandonment and closure of the method and mythography.

Sandy! Quit while you're ahead, morally. Let all good men desert this thread! Allons, enfants!

"...the four Beatle portraits included with the LP look like items spilled out of an SAS file." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Air_Service They've got a domestic black ops unit as well. Roy, I think the best thing you could do is to not describe the White Album song by song to fit your thesis, but instead write an essay on how the thematics linking the songs across the album supports your thesis. Y'know, I'm listening to downloads of The Beatles in Mono and The Beatles Stereo box set, and I'm wondering if George Martin wasn't sidelined during the White Album because he was responsible for all the previous and awful "Beatles fake stereo" records, in which the music is in the left channel and the vocals are in the right. The stereo mix of the White Album is an improvement over this method, and was done by the engineer and not Martin. It's no wonder that Lennon cried "Back to Mono!" when the stereo mixes were so rigidly unimaginative before the White Album. NB that the White Album becomes self-referential, an ourobourous, courtesy of Harrison: "We all know 'Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da,' But can you tell me, where you are?" -- Savoy Truffle, side 4 It's the bloody Beatles' White Album. Shut up. -- McCartney

Let's all just abandon this thread and let the like-minded individuals play here together. We who disagree on how but not what may go pursue happiness elsewhere. This is the second-hottest topic on the front page, but that's just measuring the energy wasted in wheels spinning in Forward and Reverse, alternately.

I dunno, Ron - not much trust in the French government among the middle class and working poor these days. We should be as brave over here as are the gilets-jaunes: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/24/french-gilets-jaunes-protests-turn-violent-on-the-streets-of-paris https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/03/who-are-the-gilets-jaunes-and-what-do-they-want https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2018/dec/08/gilets-jaunes-protesters-clash-with-police-in-paris-in-pictures A nous la liberte, and all that. Here, too - OK?