B. A. Copeland

Well Jim, you don’t think it at least possible? Please correct me if I’m off the rails here but I mean we do have Ernesto Rodriguez down there (who LHO apparently had contact with) and Ernesto was only a few degrees (through his relative) separated from Sforza and we know how he’s tied to Morales. This is only mentioning Rodriguez. Who knows what other extremely important Cuban exile assets (and who may have had a relationship with Morales) were down there and interacting with LHO. Maybe we’ll learn as we continue to dig.

Interestingly enough, I'm not sure many even saw Baker go into the bldg. in the documentary record (please correct me if I'm wrong). I mean if they did, you don't see as many as you would think or assume stating it yet we know the man got into the bldg. and it was through the front doors on Elm.

I will absolutely keep this in mind Jim. Thank you.

Oh wow lol!, "Harvey Os..." indeed Monier...

Great read Steve. Anything that helps clarify is most welcome. Appreciate the response. Also appreciate your (and Blunt’s) scanning and sharing Barto!

My pleasure to post (thanks to MWN Show and Doug Horne). Absolutely shocking and horrible to learn and of course the JFK research field is filled with tragic examples such as that. I did chuckle when I heard the bit on Dr. Mantik’s suppressed laugh but can one blame the guy? It’s so ridiculous as to be comical.

Hey Steve. I was asking about the list posted by Paul: Thanks a ton for the thread referral (and thank you as well Paul for your response earlier). Hey Bill, definitely take a look at Steve’s ‘Bob Carroll’ thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24568-where-was-bob-carroll/?tab=comments#comment-367998 Ive read that Kaminsky noted (and cleared) TSBD personnel exiting the bldg. I’ve also read before that LHO’s name was at the top of that list...

Ahhh... this is the image Dale and Blunt were speaking of in a bit of laughter and interest (with the crane in the background) lol. Great stuff Bart, thanks to you and Blunt as always.

Hey there Paul, any reason or knowledge as to who (and why) there are classified names?

This is great Bill. Maybe more light could be (directly or indirectly lol) shed on the FBI’s work in Mexico City circa ‘63 as a result of this effort as well.

Speaking of the 6th Floor Museum and Film quality, etc., I would encourage members to take a listen to Midnght Writer News Show #107 w/Doug Horne: https://midnightwriternews.com/mwn-episode-107-douglas-horne-on-the-zapruder-film-alteration-debate/ Absolutely fascinating, shocking and honestly, and in a way, horrifying... Ed & Barto thanks a ton for sharing as always!

Hmm...I should say “narrows the focus”, “process of elimination”, etc. Murphy did a masterful job in that thread and dealt with popular arguments for and against PM being identified as LHO. This isn’t a “CT’er vs LN’er” argument. I don’t care for titles or labels. I just want the facts. I suppose I meant that it is more possible (than it is not) that PM is not a stranger. It is “more plausible than its negation” that PM is an employee out on break like (mostly) everyone else on the stairs that day. It is more plausible than its negation that PM is LHO. Someone that close to the bldg. as if he’s grouped with other laborers and staff cannot and should not be ignored.

Bill was it Kaminsky who noted LHO’s name early on the list of cleared employees (to exit) or do we know?

That just won’t do David. We should never attempt to make PM irrelevant. He is someone and may be someone of potentially great relevance to the entire case, at least as far as the TSBD is concerned. Is he a potential suspect? Innocent bystander? Murderer? Thief? Employee? We should seek the truth in that regard. PM could be a stranger but Murphy (and others) have masterfully eliminated that possibility for the most part in that legendary thread. We ought to research who it is. Sadly that first gen. copy of the film may exist but for some odd reason, it’s quite impossible for honest researchers to obtain....

I somewhat agree with you (we don’t need to ID everyone but....perhaps it would somehow help when connecting dots) though perhaps my wording leads you to respond in such a way as to say that everyone needs to be ID’ in order to know what happened. That could actually be true. I mean think of the film and video footage that had been confiscated never to return and how it would assist us in identifying those in the plaza. Suppose we ID someone who has been ID’ elsewhere, say, Anti-Castro Cuban training camps, etc.It would help. My position is that, if we concern ourselves with accusing LHO, we should be more certain than not that the person standing in front of that vestibule of the entrance to the TSBD is not LHO. We need not ID every spectator in Dealey though that would be incredible if we could. I speak primarily of the TSBD and it’s inhabitants or those closest to the bldg. as far LHO being an alleged assassin is concerned. The evidence point towards LHO is too weak today (and even then which, in my humble opinion) why he had to die...Simpich lays a strong theory that even the alphabet agencies were in at risk as agencies because of LHO and his relationship with them. As far as evidence we still need to learn who called in the “5’10, 165lbs” to Sawyer. We also need to know who the living hell was impersonating LHO at Odio’s AND in Mexico City. See with those questions and anomalies I’ll never be confident accusing the guy. I don’t think anyone should be confident I’m accusing him with said facts.

Talk to Sydney Wilkinson, Thom Whitehead and the many film professionals who recognize anomalies with the film. There is full blown fakery and then theres alteration, making visual "edits." As for your comment on Kamp, his research is top notch, period. To even compare him to those to is rather unfortunate and shows your ignorance of his analysis. I'll say it again: regardless of who you think Prayer Man is, the person must be accounted for for anyone proposing a theory as to what occurred in Dallas that terrible day. You must account for who that individual is and provide arguments and evidence to support your hypothesis.

Thanks Barto and Blunt!

Well maybe we should’ve asked Paul Bentley that question? You know, since he gave Frazier a memorable polygraph later that evening and, of I’m not mistaken, still classified on the grounds of national security?

Well, given that we, as students and researchers do not fully know *all* personnel involved, it could be almost anyone, and it is logical to conclude that out of that “anyone” someone could actually look similar to Lansdale. As far as the question about fake glasses, well....I mean I guess I know about as many folks who’d have fake secret service badges that day as well lol. I mean to see disguises is all part of the operation that terrible day. Badges, glasses, clothing, you name it. I’d imagine that whatever assists in accomplishing the covert operation and evading enemy capture is key. You bring up thoughtful points but in the end, personally? It could be Lansdale or not. I’ve not come across any concrete evidence that isn’t without reasonable doubt. I remain an agnostic about the figure. I’d like to know if Lansdale was ever asked about this super famous photograph and I’d also like to know if any researchers ever worked on figuring out where he was on 11/22/63.

Thanks for that bit of info David. Much appreciated.

Ah ok, thanks a ton as always Larry! Hey Bill, I must say, as I read the ARRB document on Prouty, wow.....I mean what a document...I mean if that isn't embarrassing, I don't know what is. I don't mean to seemingly toss dirt at Prouty but they really put the questions to the guy and he was just fell apart as far as any factual data is concerned :(.

Hey Bill, have you looked at any ARRB document concerning Jones? Maybe there’s something to be found there.

Thanks Bill as always for your contribution. These connected dots are absolutely crucial.

Again, Mexico City and Odio. LHO was being impersonated (and, logically framed). We don't know exactly who shot Tippit today. There were too many strange incidents going on and frankly, I consider myself pretty reasonable. I've looked at the evidence, perhaps not all, but some for sure. There definitely seems to be evidence of someone who looked like LHO. I mean you have a guy who believe for well over a decade that LHO was arrested in the rear of the Theater lol...we also have White's and Wise's story. We have that crooked Westbrook, Kenneth Croy, the timing issue (for LHO and the ambulance for Tippit), a number of wallets, Gerald Hill....I mean I think a reasonable person, after studying, would conclude that to say LHO did it is too simple given the complex body of evidence we have on the day in question and the crime itself. Did I mention we now have Tippit's father saying that Tippit was looking for LHO? As time passes, we must conclude that the official story we've been given just doesn't fit with the evidence. Someone shot Tippit but it (more than likely) was not LHO. Sometime ago Simpich did a wonderful short video on Tippit: Its worth checking out even if only to dismantle (or add to) his thesis there.

Talk about reasoning in a circle for the WC. How anyone can believe that the WC was fair and honest after reading this (among many other pieces of evidence) is absolutely beyond me....One of their points should have been to establish the point with complete accuracy......this is why citizens have to work to figure out what happened today....forgive me but reading Redlich's words there just frustrates the hell out of me.