B. A. Copeland

This would be absolutely fantastic. I think an artist honestly needs to capture (very well I might add...) the essence of the personnel involved with many of the historical events. Capture the likenesses well of said historical persons in a simple yet powerful style. That kind of masterwork would take, comfortably, anywhere between 1-3 years I'd say. Funny you mention that Anthony. I am exactly the same way and I would absolutely love to hear the voices of many of these significant figures once you either read about them or see photos of them. Chief among them for me is David Morales, Robertson and Harvey just to name a big few. I'd kill to hear their speech.

Thanks a ton Barto. @David Andrews I think its important to remember that Doug was speculating on the Bayo/JFK hit team bit. He pretty much always makes it clear when he's speculating as far as I'm aware. I think we all know how important that is to do in this field of research. According to the document that Doug was reading from, Hall mentions that it was a "phony cover story to get three Russians". Fascinating, the least of which concerning Bayo's surviving the 'raid'. We've seen this before somewhat with another hit team suspect: Herminio Diaz Garcia (thanks D.Boy!)

New Campbell audio on Bayo, Martino & the Raid: https://www.spreaker.com/user/7338953/161-oct-26-2019-hit-teams-and-high-cabal Excellent study group material as usual.

Agreed Ed. I thoroughly welcome any challenge to Bart (& ROKC's) thesis. I'm also attracted to the reality that if this is true (I believe it is more than it isn't but I still remain open minded) then Armstrong's analysis of said event would need a bit of a redo because I believe he accepts the 2nd Floor Encounter. Just thinking out loud on that....

New audio on Martino by Doug Campbell/Dallas Action (haven't listened yet at the time of posting): https://www.spreaker.com/user/7338953/159-september-27-2019-follow-the-money-j

Campbell's show concerning the many LHO sightings in late '63: Dallas Action #158~September 13, 2019: "Too Many Oswalds: Mid-September Through Late October, 1963." Fascinating information for sure.

Doug Campbell's recent show concerning Military Intel, Jones, etc. Dallas Action #157~ August 23, 2019: "Inside Knowledge: The CIA, The Pentagon, And The Patsy."

A planned event that naturally includes human agents possibly prone to error in judgement, timing and perhaps even execution. The cover up will take care of any mistakes in the intervening 50+ years which is exactly why we're having this kind of discussion today.

Lets not forget that according to Palamara, Thomas Shipman was most likely the one to be driving JFK that fateful day but thanks to a heart attack while on the job at Camp David, he never got the chance.

Excellent work Bill! I’m going to, as always, read the posts here a couple more times and ask questions if any arise. Now, according to some documents examined by Barto/Blunt, Doug Campbell (possibly you and others?) we now know that the 902 Intelligence Group in Washington coordinated with the CIA concerning Mexico City? That was fascinating info that I personally never knew. His point was that there were certainly other govt. organizations or bodies that knew of the wiretap ops. in MC.

Sigh ....a genuine and strong yet gentle spirit from the accounts. May he Rest In Peace and I will forever be grateful for his genuine honesty and revelations concerning that tragic and terrible moment in history. As forngis revealing comment on Dr. Perry’s testimony being influenced, well according to the work of JimDi, we have every reason to believe today that it was Secret Service Agent Elmer Moore. One of the most revealing chapters of DB2nd Ed.

Yes the more I study the guy, the more absolutely suspicious he becomes but I try to reserve judgement in this case moreso these days. Either way, Westbrook should have been considered a suspect in an ideal world. Nice bit of analysis using official documents/evidence and I absolutely love Grigg’s treatment of the DPD there. Always a joy to read and understand. There was also this topic here: I guess your post could be merged with that topic? I mean we really should have a formal “Capt. William R. Westbrook” personnel type topic created either way honestly. The same way the good minds have created at the ROKC forum.

There seems to be no evidence (that I am aware of) tying Bushes to JFK Jr’s plane crash. It’s good to take a consistently fresh look at the crash.

That is exactly what I am referring to (apologies for lack of specificity or clarity) but the official “evidence” against LHO is what I was attacking. I could accept absolutely that LHO carried out what the WC theorized if there were strong solid evidence to support such a conclusion (or theory).

Whoa....:O. Thanks for the response.

I can accept that logically without issue as a mere possibility but only when the evidence suggests it. However, the evidence simply does not line up or even suggests such a conclusion.

Wait...what happened?

Hasn't this photo been debunked as far as the ID being that of LHO? I could've swore Ochelli or someone debunked it. Could've been a post here as well but I cannot recall.

I believe Doug’s argument or analysis puts forth that, if QJ/WIN is anyone, it seems more likely (if not downright absolute) that it’s Mankel and not Skorzeny and that, at the very least we have the documentation to show that. I also believe that Doug attacked Mr X’s position or claim/s and he is probably aware that the QJ crypt could refer to either a person or an operation. In fact I remember Simpich and Hancock’s lancer presentation, Simpich mentions a alternate) QJ crypt or something along those lines. In the end, as a study group, we just have to keep attempting to be critical and keep an open mind with much of the research that’s for sure.

Campbell, in his most recent show, touches upon the alleged “Skorzeny as QJ/WIN” theory (among other very interesting points): #156~ August 2, 2019: A. "Jim Garrison & The 'Clay Bertrand' Conundrum." B. "DISINFO ALERT: The Skorzeny Aberration."

Very interesting scenario Steve as I've never considered both halves possibly being used for separate purposes. This causes me to wonder if there were ever plans for Lee to escape. That single passenger waiting is also fascinating.

Whew.....tough question there Steve. If a solid, evidence-based answer to that could be given, the entire Texas Theater gig (officially) would be wounded even further.

Hey Dave could you re-upload? Forbidden pops up. Please and thanks!

Ah...well, alright. It was just a topic in which members are currently discussing events relevant to the discussion here. I immediately thought of the topic at ROKC (since I was reading it recently) in response to John's earlier post.

I think the folks at blackvault are also tireless in their sorting the documents making many of them searchable. It is terrible that files are unsorted, unnecessarily redacted, unorganized and unsearchable...