David Von Pein

Well for heaven's sake, Bob, those two links you're referring to are just two small parts in my "Assassination Arguments" series. Quite obviously, those links aren't meant to cover everything connected to the JFK case. I posted those links because they contained some info about the "other bullets" that allegedly were found after the assassination (which was the sub-topic that this thread had drifted into at that particular moment). So I don't know why you would expect to find information about John or Nellie Connally in those two links. Now, if you want to talk specifically about the Connallys, I've got lots of links to accommodate you. Here are just a few examples: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/What Did John Connally See? http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2017/08/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1257.html http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/02/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-900.html http://amazon.com/Let's Talk About John Connally---He Was Both The BEST And WORST Witness

I know nothing about it. I was just quoting a CTer there.

Yes. And yet I'm supposed to believe the CTers who tell me that two (or probably THREE) different bullets lined themselves up beautifully so that Arlen Specter could later present this impressive "one bullet" exhibit to the world. Talk about incredibly good luck for Mr. Specter & Company! .... Has any conspiracy theorist in history ever made this basic observation?.... Boy, those assassins were sure a bunch of lucky sons of bitches when the guy who shot JFK in the throat from the front managed to hit Kennedy in exactly the right spot on his body so that (later on) the official investigators could utilize that entry wound in the throat as the point of exit for the SBT bullet. And then the multiple assassins got even luckier when the upper-back bullet and the bullet that entered the throat both decided not to exit the body and then both of those bullets vanished into puffs of smoke before either of those bullets (which obviously were still inside JFK's body when he was inside Trauma Room No. 1 at Parkland Hospital) could be seen by any non-conspirator. Can anyone truly believe that such incredible good fortune could possibly have existed amongst the (alleged) multiple shooters who were (allegedly) firing bullets at President Kennedy on 11/22/63? (And yet CTers have the gall to tell me that I am the one who believes in "Magic Bullets". Oy vey!)

Indeed.... http://DVP's JFK Archives / The SBT Perfection Of Commission Exhibit 903 [Pat Speer's inevitable rebuttal re: CE903 is HERE. I figure I might as well post it here myself. I know it's coming anyway.]

More discussion about "Other Bullets": http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-103.html http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-713.html

This section of the Clark Panel's report in 1968 might be of interest to you: "The other bullet struck the decedent's back at the right side of the base of the neck between the shoulder and spine and emerged from the front of his neck near the midline. The possibility that this bullet might have followed a pathway other than one passing through the site of the tracheotomy wound was considered. No evidence for this was found. There is a track between the two cutaneous wounds as indicated by subcutaneous emphysema and small metallic fragments on the X-rays and the contusion of the apex of the right lung and laceration of the trachea described in the Autopsy Report. In addition, any path other than one between the two cutaneous wounds would almost surely have been intercepted by bone and the X-ray films show no bony damage in the thorax or neck." -- From Clark Panel Report Replay (for emphasis).... "There is a track between the two cutaneous wounds..." Another interesting part of the 1968 Clark Panel Report is the portion of the report in which the Clark Panel concludes that the bullet hole in President Kennedy's throat was located 3.5 centimeters LOWER (anatomically) than the bullet wound in the President's upper back.... "There is an elliptical penetrating wound of the skin of the back located approximately 15 cm. medial to the right acromial process, 5 cm. lateral to the mid-dorsal line and 14 cm. below the right mastoid process. This wound lies approximately 5.5 cm. below a transverse fold in the skin of the neck. This fold can also be seen in a lateral view of the neck which shows an anterior tracheotomy wound. This view makes it possible to compare the levels of these two wounds in relation to that of the horizontal plane of the body. .... The center of the circular wound [in the front of the neck] is situated approximately 9 cm. below the transverse fold in the skin of the neck described in a preceding paragraph. This indicates that the bullet which produced the two wounds followed a course downward and to the left in its passage through the body." -- From Clark Panel Report Related Video (featuring Dr. Russell Fisher of the Clark Panel): [Cue Pat Speer's habitual blasting of the Clark Panel.]

As Gerry correctly pointed out, the "60 degree" angle estimate (or even one of 45 degrees) cannot possibly be accurate....unless a TWA pilot overhead was the assassin.

Thank you, Joseph. The reason why Sean Coleman's comments above come across to me as "heartless and unfeeling" when it comes to that particular photograph that I posted above is because I think that photo is one of the most poignant and heartbreaking among all of the pictures I've ever seen taken on 11/22/63 (as I discussed in 2019 [below] with the individual who supplied me with that photo). Enlarge by clicking:

Sean Coleman said: What a heartless and unfeeling comment that was, Sean.

I really have no idea what you mean by that. But, anyway, there's nothing wrong with the way they did the artist renderings. They just weren't able to get a daytime picture showing absolutely no traffic on Elm Street. And apparently they didn't want to digitally remove the few cars that were on Elm at the time those photos were taken.

It was no doubt done with an overlay for the proposed new stuff being placed over a real photo of Dealey Plaza, which included some traffic on Elm.

If the redesign succeeds, Elm St. would become closed to all vehicular traffic, and Main St. (west of Houston) becomes a one-way street heading west.

I don't think it's such a terrible idea. I kind of like some of the things that have been proposed. Based on the various artist renderings of the proposed redesign of Dealey Plaza (seen below), it appears as though pretty much all of the familiar Dealey Plaza landmarks that are associated with the assassination will remain intact and untouched, such as Zapruder's pedestal, the pergolas, the peristyles, the George Dealey statue, the Grassy Knoll slopes, the TSBD Building, and the streets (except for Houston Street, which would have its surface changed in order to "calm traffic", which I assume would also make it a "quieter" street). In the first rendered image below, I can't tell whether the famous picket fence on the Knoll is still there or not. Perhaps it is. So maybe even that familiar landmark wouldn't have to be disturbed either. I think the idea of the "Memorial Promenade and Overlook" is a good one. And since the proposed location for such a Promenade would be well behind the area of the Grassy Knoll and original Plaza pergolas, I don't see why even the Dealey Plaza purists would complain about it too much. It would be located in the parking lot area behind the Grassy Knoll. No big loss there. One major change in the proposed redesign is that Elm Street would be closed to all vehicle traffic entirely. Only pedestrian traffic would be permitted on Elm, which would certainly make things safer for tourists, who currently can't resist dashing in and out of traffic to have their pictures taken while standing on the X in the middle of Elm Street. I'm not all that keen on the idea of the two "pools" that would be placed along Elm Street to mark the exact locations where JFK was hit by bullets. In the article about the proposed redesign, the author says that the current X's in the street are "tawdry" symbols to mark JFK's death. Well, the proposed "pools" aren't much better on the "tawdry" scale, in my opinion.

http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2019/05/kennedy-gallery-476.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/search?q=Tumbling+Bullet+Connally+Back+Wound

Below is a picture of an oil painting created by artist Gage Mace in the 1990s and donated to Dallas' Sixth Floor Museum At Dealey Plaza in 2020. Click to enlarge to 2520 x 802 px.: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2021/10/remarkable-assassination-painting.html

This is not to denigrate Helmer Reenberg's efforts (because I love Helmer's YouTube channel), but here's a slightly longer and higher-quality version of JFK's 11/9/60 speech (with the proper aspect ratio too). And to watch more of Election Night 1960, check out the second video below:

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The FBI booklet in Commission Document 496 doesn't have any photos at all of the 3rd, 4th, or 5th floors. The photos in that FBI booklet are concentrated mostly on the first, second, and sixth floors. They did include one picture of the southeast corner of the 7th floor -- HERE. It does make sense, however, that they would want to concentrate mostly on the 1st, 2nd, and 6th floors of the TSBD, seeing as how the alleged assassin (a certain Mr. Oswald, in case anyone here has forgotten his name ) utilized all three of those floors as he made his (alleged) escape from the building on 11/22/63 (as alluded to below by Tom Gram). I think you're probably correct about the FBI wanting to document (via photographs) the alleged "escape route" of Lee Oswald in the photos of the Depository we find in CD496. But there are also several pictures in that FBI booklet that show non-"escape route" photographs---such as this photo showing what is referred to as a "dressing room" in the basement of the building. And there are also several pictures of the first floor, including this one depicting the Dr. Pepper machine near the stairs in the northwest corner. The FBI did much the same thing (i.e., document Oswald's escape route after one of the murders he [allegedly] committed on November 22nd) in Commission Document No. 630, which is a booklet of photographs focusing on the J.D. Tippit murder site and Oswald's escape route from the scene of that murder.

Thanks, John. That elephant quip is sure to make me see the "sheep-dipping" light.

There's not a single "LNer" in history who actually believes that Lee Harvey Oswald was being "sheep-dipped" in the various ways that CTers think he was being "dipped" in 1963. You can't be an "LNer" and believe in the sheep-dipping theories. So I'm certainly not a Lone Lone-Nutter when it comes to disbelieving the various elements contained within the "sheep-dipping" topic. Far from it. There are millions of other LNers out there who disbelieve it too. And I don't "ignore" the things that CTers say are "sheep-dipping" (e.g., the Ryder incident, the Bogard incident, the parking lot incident, the Odio incident, the rifle purchase, etc.).....I merely disagree with the assertion that these things constitute "sheep-dipping". None of those incidents were pre-arranged by behind-the-scenes conspirators in order to set up their alleged patsy named Oswald. Some of those "Oswald sightings" are very likely simply cases of mistaken identity, but some of them really did involve Oswald doing those things---with the RIFLE PURCHASE being the biggest example of the many things in JFK Assassination Land that fall into the crowded category of: "This Really Did Happen Even Though Many Conspiracy Theorists Insist It Didn't". And it's quite possible (IMO) that Oswald was, indeed, at Sylvia Odio's door in late September of 1963. I'm on the fence concerning that incident. I'm just not sure if it was really Oswald at Odio's residence. And nobody else in the world can be 100% sure either. And to believe, as John Cotter does, that "his [Oswald's] placement in the TSBD constitutes irrefutable proof of a conspiracy", is just--quite simply--a stupefyingly ridiculous claim, because the way Oswald got his Depository job [see the two links below] is not only NOT "irrefutable proof of a conspiracy", it actually goes in the opposite direction and is most certainly a very good indication that NO pre-planned conspiracy existed to kill the President in October and November of 1963. Which proves, yet again, that white almost always means black to the many conspiracy fantasists in the JFKA world. http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Was Oswald Planted In The TSBD By Plotters?

What a ridiculous statement this is by James DiEugenio. Lots of people are terrible when it comes to recalling specific dates of things that have happened in the past. And I'm sure that applies even to "genuine communists".

Mike Kiely said: But we know for an absolute FACT that the man Marrion Baker was describing as the man he saw in the lunchroom WAS definitely Lee Oswald. There is no question about that fact. And the reason we know it was Oswald is because Roy Truly told us so: "Lee Oswald was in there [the lunchroom]." -- R.S. Truly And that's why the ABO CTers have to pretend that Roy Truly was a li@r and part of some kind of conspiracy and cover-up.

No, unfortunately I don't. And until today I didn't even realize that Meet The Press ever did a one-hour broadcast. The only ones I've ever seen and collected are 30-minute programs. Here are a couple more MTP shows with the Kennedy brothers: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9E6ed_4-hx6azkycDhqd3JpaFE/view https://app.box.com/s/zo3tbazni2oyhqbxw3h3ia88qg1gjybk