Ray Mitcham

Lmao. It would be noticeable, David. i.e observable. Note what I wrote. "Try cutting apiece of timber to 34.8" long and hold it in your hand and ask somebody to stand behind you to see if it is noticeable." I said nothing about it being noticeable to Oswald. Do try to keep up, son. Anybody walking behind somebody with a package sticking 12" above his shoulder would certainly have been noticed.

Only in your mind, David. only in your mind.

Nope. Just like you can't prove that he didn't pay "virtually any attention at all" to the bag. Try cutting apiece of timber to 34.8" long and hold it in your hand and ask somebody to stand behind you to see if it is noticeable.

Funny how "didn't pay much attention to the package" morphs into "NO ATTENTION at all", in the mind of a Felucca. "Mr. BALL - What did the package look like? Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long. Mr. BALL - It was, what part of the back seat was it in? Mr. FRAZIER - It was in his side over on his side in the far back. Mr. BALL - How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up? Mr. FRAZIER - I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat. Mr. BALL - From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it? Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches." Doesn't sound like NO ATTENTION at all to me. Walking behind Oswald, Frazier would have noticed a package sticking up 12" above his shoulder.

So the length 34.8" blows both Oswald 's 24" and Randle's 27" estimates out of the water. If Oswald had been carrying a bag carrying a 34.8" long the top of the bag would have been showing about 12" above his shoulder, (Again, I've just tried it with a piece of 2"x 1" 34.8" long) which would have easily have been seen by Frazier. There are two alternatives to the rifle being in the bag. 1. There never was a bag. 2. The bag (if there was one) carried something other than a broken down rifle.

What is the length of the longest piece of a broken down Carcano, David?

Thank you, David. Now re Randle, she estimated the bag as being 27", and you accept her estimate, but you don't accept what she said about the bag being carried across the road with it held at the top like a baseball bat, the bottom not touching the floor. Again, I've just measured the 2"x1" hanging from my hand and the bottom of the piece is about two inches from the floor. (A 27" bag would have been touching the floor.) Why would her estimate of 27" be nearer that of Frazier, who not only saw the bag on the rear seat of his car, but also Oswald carrying it as he said cupped in his hand and armpit?

Was Dan Rather holding a paper bag full off rifle bits?

Quote By DVP. "But a 27" object No way." Quotes on the length by Frazier. Frazier First day affidavit. “ It must have been about 2' long,” Frazier to the Shaw trial “Q: How much of the back seat did the package occupy? A: I would say roughly around two feet, give or take a few inches. “ Frazier to the Warren Con. “Mr. BALL - What did the package look like? Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long. “

As I said you've obviously never carried a rifle in that way. And you certainly would never carry a paper bag containing a broken down rifle in that way.

I've just cut a piece of 2x1 to the length of 24" and it fits perfectly cupped between my hand and my armpit.

It would be very difficult to hold a rifle in a bag held front of your shoulder for any distance. You've obviously never carried a rifle in that way.

Cupping a rifle, in a bag, in your hand and protruding in front of your shoulder, would cause it to fall forward. Unless you did a balancing act all the way into the TSBD.

I am the same height as Oswald 5'9", and I have just held a tape measure cupped between my armpit and my hand, and the measurement was 24" (As I have pointed out before I'm not a knuckle dragger.)

Frazier actual quote. "It must have been about 2' long, and the top of the sack was sort of folded up, and the rest of the sack had been kind of folded under." Slightly changes the debate when all the info is given.

Glad you can't show where she said it. and glad to see that you believe the FBI were shining light of truth. "“The replica was shortened by folding the open top down to reach the desired length. Then in accordance with Mrs Randle's observations. Special Agent MCNeely grasped the top of this sack with his hand, much like a right handed batter would pick up the baseball bat when approaching the plate. When the proper length of the sack was reached according to Mrs Randle's estimate, it was measured and found to be 27” long.” https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10408#relPageId=305

Yep, welcome back, David.

David, please show us where Linnie Mae said the bag was 38" long. Note- Not what she is reported to have said by the FBI.

Paul, please reconsider, don't let the people you mention get you down. We are all fed up with their disruptive comments. We need serious contributors as yourself. Just do what most of the posters do on here ... put them on ignore.

Perhaps the moderators or forum controllers would inform us why David Josephs has been banned, if he has.

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Does Greg intimate that the missing tooth (ie. No 30) is a missing wisdom tooth?

The Amazon site shows that over 50% of reviewers gave it just one star.

Neither Jackie or her staff were around the coffin for the complete duration of the flight.

Comparing the two photos above, the hair just above Lee's sideburns is receded. Harvey's on the right is pronounced. How would this happen as he grew older? And, amongst other differences, the ears don't match. Not the same guy, IMO. Just my 2 cents.