Antti Hynonen

I believe the motorcycle police "closest to the camera" in your analysis is officer Hargis. From TMWKK, (and possibly other affidavits and WC testimony if exists) Hargis says along the lines that as the headshot occurred he was hit with brain matter and skull pieces with such force that for a short moment he thought he had been hit by a bullet. Also a fairly large piece of the presidents skull and and/or brain tissue had flown onto the trunk of the limousine, which Jackie proceeded to pick up as Agent Hill reaches the limo. In addition to the back and to the left head motion (of only President Kennedy in the limousine), I can not comprehend a different answer except a frontal/side shot to the President's head. This is despite the considerable efforts of the Bethesda autopsists and other's to disguise the true events of 11/22/1963. I know some of the head debris flew to other sections of the Plaza. However, I contend that the witnesses do not recall precisely where they picked up / located the evidence. Logically most of the debris would fly into one direction, from the exit wound.

Tom Purvis: Tom, Thanks for your response. Here are my comments to the sections from your posting earlier (the sections in bold are repeated below). Tom Purvis: Ever seen anyone reach for his throat with his fist closed? No, I haven't. At the same note, I haven't seen anyone being shot in the throat either. Perhaps he was in such pain, that his toes were curled too. Tom Purvis: WC testimony of FBI Agent Lyndal Shaneyfelt "I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the Boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder" I fully agree, there was a shot to the back. This has been demonstrated by many witnesses and autopsy photos. Yes, the loation was below the shoulder blade. My argument here is that neither the back wound nor the throat wound were examined carefully enough, to properly determine where they entered and where they exited. My opinion is that these are two separate ENTRY wounds, which did not go through the body for one reason or another. Tom Purvis: Those of us who have been on the receiving end of bullets, as well as having observed many others in the same situation, frequently have a somewhat better insight into how one reacts when hit by a bullet. Sure, I fully agree. Tom Purvis: P.S. Had a bullet entered the front neck of JFK and struck the vertebral column, the force of this bullet would have blown the vertebral column to pieces. Unless, the speed of the bullet had considerably decreased during it's flight path. After all, the assassin had probably aimed at JFK's head, but hit his throat, some 8-10 inches lower. Perhaps because the bullet slowed down? I can't say I know what weapon was used for this particular shot, I doubt a Carcano. TOm Purvis: It is quite unfortunate that you, as well as many others have been "imprinted" by the pure garbage as relates to the JFK assassination. Unfortunately for the true facts, there has been no cessation to this continued flow of misinformation. Therefore, even the most simple basic facts become consumed and lost in this refuse pile. What may appear self-evident or as "fact" to one person, may not appear so to the other. Wouldn't the world be boring if we all thought alike and never disagreed on anything?

P.S. JFK is not grabbing his throat. He has the lapel/collar of each side of the coat grasped in his hands and is making an attempt to get out of the coat as he now has a hot bullet lodged in his back, no doubt burning him. --------------------- Hi Tom, Interesting presentations so far. You certainly have given this case a lot of thought and done some considerable research. I do however disagree with your conclusion above, regarding the grabbing of the throat. As seen in the Zapruder film, JFK is clearly grabbing his throat, the entry point of a bullet, in my opinion. Among other things related to the case, I believe in multiple shooters. I reached my opinion on 1) viewing the Zapruder film 2) reading statements by Parkland Doctors 3) viewing drawings of the neck entry wound prior to the tracheotomy incision. Additionally, I have problems in visualizing a gunshot victim grabbing or reacting to an exit wound. Even if the entry wound were in an awkward position (such as the back of the neck), I think the victim would primarily react to the entry wound. In this case we do not see a reaction to an entry to the back of the neck, but rather, quite clearly a reaction to the entry of a bullet at the front of the neck. Too bad that Dr. Rose wasn't allowed to perform the autopsy in Dallas. I believe many unanswered questions would be answered regarding the wounds, the probable number of bullets, and their points of entry and exit.

Danke Herr Bollschweiler, Endlich jemand der Deutsch kann. George, what do you think of the "Gut Schieffer". Do you agree it could have meant "Gut Schiesser" or grammatically perhaps more correct "Guter Schiesser". Sometimes in "old writing" the S letter will look like a F. Oder nicht? Thanks!

John, I applaud you on your work. I think one of the key approaches in finding the probable locations of the shooters needs to be done as you have done it; through examining the wounds. In my view it would be enough to just look at Connally's back and chest wound (entry and exit), i.e. the two points needed to find a third on the bullets path; the origin. The thing left to do, is to figure out Connaly's exact position at point of impact. From what I read, in your postings this is what you have done. Am I correct? In my view this should have been done properly in the re-enactment in 1964... or whenever it took place. Nice work! Give us your opinion, based on your work, where you think the bullets originated...Thanks

Thanks Jim and John for your input, Isn't it funny that items were found 15-30 etc. years after the fact (such as these): - Fritz's notes - Abrams, Gedney, Doyle arrest record - Yet another back yard photo (White copy) There's probably more, that I don't recall right now. Hmmm... makes me wonder what we'll see next.

Jim, I may have said this before, but here it is again. In the JFK, case not many things make sense. One of the few theories that seem entirely possible though, is the scenario such as you presented here, involving the John Hurt and Ed Walker connections to the case.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online...s/FF/ffr24.html The following from the link above: FRITZ, JOHN WILL (1895-1984). John Will Fritz, head of the police investigation of the Kennedy assassination,qv was born on June 15, 1895, in Dublin, Texas. He spent much of his boyhood on a ranch near Lake Arthur, New Mexico. As a young man he traveled throughout West Texas and New Mexico, making his living as a horse and mule trader. He served a brief stint in the army during World War Iqv and returned to Texas in his early twenties to enroll in Tarleton State College (now Tarleton State University) in Stephenville, where he sold three horses to pay for his tuition. Fritz joined the Dallas Police Department as a beat officer in 1921 and soon became a detective. He advanced through the ranks and was promoted to captain in 1934, when he organized the department's homicide and robbery bureau. Though he was made inspector of detectives in 1935, he voluntarily returned to being a captain in 1944. In 1947 he received the special title of senior captain, and later he reportedly refused the opportunity to become police chief. During his leadership of the homicide and robbery bureau, Fritz gained a reputation as an effective interrogator. In one ten-year period the homicide division reported 98 percent of the murders in Dallas cleared by arrest. His career spanned some of the most violent times in Dallas history as well as some troubling times for the police department. Fritz gained nationwide attention when he headed the investigation of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. He was the first person to question suspected assassin Lee Harvey Oswaldqv just hours after Kennedy was shot on November 22, 1963. Though he did not get a confession, Fritz said he had all the proof he needed to convict, and before midnight he formally charged Oswald with the president's murder. Under the direction of Dallas police chief Jesse E. Curry, Fritz helped plan the transfer of Oswald to the county jail and was present when Oswald was shot and killed by Jack Rubyqv during the move two days later. For years after the assassination Fritz rarely spoke of the case and turned down repeated offers for books and articles. In November 1969 he was appointed night commander of the criminal investigation division, an appointment that some interpreted as a demotion. He retired three months later, on February 27, 1970. The self-educated investigator, one of the most colorful figures in the Dallas Police Department, sometimes brought vagrants to the jail and saw that the "suspects" received a shower and a hot meal before they were released. He enjoyed hunting, fishing, and an occasional escape to a pasture where he kept a few cattle and horses. He lived alone for much of his life, though he was married to a woman named Faye and had a daughter. Fritz was afflicted with heart disease and cancer; he died on April 19, 1984. BIBLIOGRAPHY: Dallas Morning News, April 20, 1984. Carlton Stowers, Partners in Blue: The History of the Dallas Police Department (Dallas: Taylor, 1983). Carlton Stowers --------- Considering Fritz's high level of success as a homicide investigator, I find it unbelievable that he thought Oswald was the (only?) guilty one... I wonder why he would not open up about the questions and unresolved issues regarding this case? Wouldn't everyone be better off if it was all cleared up?

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online...s/DD/fde69.html The following appears through the link above: DECKER, JAMES ERIC (1898-1970). James Eric (Bill) Decker, law officer, son of James A. and Cecille T. Decker, was born in Dallas, Texas, on August 31, 1898. He grew up there and attended local schools before dropping out to find work. On July 21, 1916, he married Clyde Ryals of Galveston. Four years later he became an elevator operator at the Dallas County Courthouse. In 1923 Decker joined Constable Murray Fisher's staff as deputy constable. In 1933 he was named chief deputy to Sheriff Richard A. (Smoot) Schmid, a position he held until Schmid lost the 1946 election. Decker resigned from his position as chief deputy and ran for sheriff in 1948, when he defeated incumbent Steve Guthrie. Decker was sheriff until his death in 1970. Throughout his twenty-two years as sheriff he never faced another opponent in an election. Decker became somewhat of a legend as a Texas lawman. His relentless pursuit of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parkerqqv and his capture of hardened criminal Raymond Hamilton focused national attention on him in the 1930s. Even greater attention was focused on Sheriff Decker in November 1963, when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas (see KENNEDY ASSASSINATION). During the trial of Jack Ruby,qv the killer of alleged Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald,qv five prisoners escaped from the county jail. Criticism was leveled on Dallas law enforcement as a result. Decker, in his typically calm manner, answered the critics, saying that "Dallas will survive all this, partner." As sheriff, he modernized and expanded the department and led his staff with a low-keyed dignity. He and his wife had no children; they raised his cousin, William Tennant Decker. Decker received numerous awards during his lifetime but always maintained that he was no hero, just "a professional law-enforcement officer trying to do a job." He died on August 29, 1970, and was buried in Dallas. BIBLIOGRAPHY: Dallas Morning News, August 25, 26, 1970, November 17, 1978. Vertical Files, Barker Texas History Center, University of Texas at Austin. Gerald D. Saxon ---------------------- Didn't know prisoners escaped during Ruby's trial. Does anyone know who they were? Anyone interesting in that group?

I know Chief Curry wrote a book, but have the other "higher ups" of the Dallas Police Department and/or the Sheriff's office spoken about their views of the investigation? Has Curry gone beyond his book? I'm particularly interested in what they had to say once the FBI took over the investigation, and what they had to say once the Warren Report came out. Do any Forum members have knowledge of what these men may have said? I'm sure that since Will Fritz was "in charge" of the investigation in the beginning, he would have been able to give some valuable insight, in the years that followed... The same goes for Decker too. Thanks.

I know Chief Curry wrote a book, but have the other "higher ups" of the Dallas Police Department and/or the Sheriff's office spoken about their views of the investigation? Has Curry gone beyond his book? I'm particularly interested in what they had to say once the FBI took over the investigation, and what they had to say once the Warren Report came out. Do any Forum members have knowledge of what these men may have said? I'm sure that since Will Fritz was "in charge" of the investigation in the beginning, he would have been able to give some valuable insight, in the years that followed... The same goes for Decker too. Thanks.

I tried to see if a similar thread existed, but I didn't see one. So, sorry John if I started a new thread in vain. I know Chief Curry wrote a book, but have the other "higher ups" of the Dallas Police Department and/or the Sheriff's office spoken about their views of the investigation? Has Curry gone beyond his book? I'm particularly interested in what they had to say once the FBI took over the investigation, and what they had to say once the Warren Report came out. Do any Forum members have knowledge of what these men may have said? I'm sure that since Will Fritz was "in charge" of the investigation in the beginning, he would have been able to give some valuable insight, in the years that followed... The same goes for Decker too. Thanks.

Wasn't Maj Gen. Ed Walker in Greece for some time around WW2?

James, could you kindly explain why you think so? Thanks. Antti

Hi Alan, Yes, there certainly is a strong similarity. It could be the same fellow, using an alias. As far as I know, Ed Kolby is said to be an immigrant from Finland (Ed Kolby is definitely not a Finnish name, so perhaps he has taken a few aliases on that side of the puddle...) Interesting. Thanks for the comparisons James.

Larry and James, Thanks for clarifying that. I knew I didn't have it quite accurately.

James, Could you kindly present a comparison between Ed Kolby and Florer... Thanks. Antti

Pat, Did you ever come up with more evidence suggesting a close relationship between the Stovall's? From what you dug up in December, it sure seems possible to me. Fishy stuff.

As I recall it was also Rose Cheramie, who identified one of the men she had overheard discussing the assassination prior to Nov 22, 1963. Apparently this same group of men drugged her etc. Perhaps some other Forum members recall this matter in more detail.

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Ok, thanks Allan. In the mean time I have read your second article. Below is a phone transcript between Mrs. Pitzer and Col. Dan Marvin. Many sections of the transcript seem to support the initial idea that Pitzer was murdered. My opinions from the information from the transcript and your article, to the questions I asked earlier are here: 1) In the phone conversations Mrs. Pitzer still thinks (28 years after the fact) that she did not reveive her deceased husbands wedding band because his hand was so mangled, it could not be removed. If this is a fake story, initiated by a family member, who went to obtain the ring, he/she must surely be a sick person to make up such a story. Why would anyone make up such a story? 2) Pitzer was mostly right handed, dealt cards with his left. Did he also shoot with his right? From your article I am to understand that the person doing the autopsy, was so confused that in his report he confused left from right also? Also he was not a professional in this field? 3) Mrs. Pitzer doesn't think her husband was in a state in which he could have possibly committed suicide. Apparently Pitzer's sons are still in denial of what happened and also refused to believe the "official story". Apparently also many acquaintances can not believe that what happened was a suicide. 4) Alan, am I to understand that you claim there never was a film or that if there was a film, it was not among the possessions of Pitzer soon after 11/22/63? Additional questions that arise after reading your article and re-reviewing the transcript: 1) Why would Dan Marvin make up such a story? He doesn't seem to be off his rocker to me.... 2) Why would Dennis David bring up the film he saw, unless it actually existed? Do you think he is lying? You claim Pitzer didn't have a copy of the film soon after the autopsy of JFK, what do you base the assumption on? Where did it go? 3) Why was Mrs. Pitzer encouraged not to talk about her husband's death or anything surrounding it by high-ranking Navy officers? 4) Why was Mrs. Pitzer not allowed to have a copy of her husband's autopsy report until about 25 years after his death? Perhaps you can comment and elaborate on these issues? Thanks, Antti TRANSCRIPT OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN LT. COL. DAN MARVIN AND MRS. JOYCE PITZER 5 JANUARY 1995 This is Colonel Dan Marvin; this is Thursday, the 5th day of January 1995, and I'm calling Mrs. Joyce B. Pitzer, the widow of Lieutenant Commander William Bruce Pitzer. [phone rings] Hello. Hello, Mrs. Joyce B. Pitzer? That's right. This is Colonel Dan Marvin calling from Ithaca, New York. I don't know if Mr. Lesar has been in touch with you about me ... No ... He used to be your attorney at one time ... and I have some information about your husband's death personal information that I want to come out with but I wanted to either tell you or your son William B. Pitzer 11, who then would talk to you about it ... but it's all good news for you and your family ... Well, to be truthful with you, it's been 28 years ... I ... I don't think I can there's been several books written I really I don't ... Well this has nothing to do with a book ... I didn't know until a year ago November that I had was remotely involved in what had happened in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination until I saw a documentary I think it was by Jack Anderson on the Kennedy assassination and in there at the very end of it there was a roll of the film of the names of forty two different people that had died a violent death. And when I saw that it just it almost made me sick to my stomach because I saw your husband's name. And in 1965 in August of 1965 1 was approached by the Central Intelligence Agency to kill your husband. And I refused to do it because I was a United States Army Green Beret and we only did those things those kinds of things overseas. It was a simple matter. But they told me that your husband was a bad man which he wasn't, obviously which I've learned since with a lot of research with the help of a couple of friends of mine, and that's why I approached Lesar a few months ago and touch base with you And not just for you and your family I'll be honest with you this is something that there are other people who are affected in the same way because there are other people like myself who went around doing not too good things for our government. And this is not easy for me to do; my whole family has asked me not to come out with this ... because all of a sudden I've got eleven grandchildren all of a sudden I go from friendly Grandpa who walks around about seven days a week, practically, except when I'm in church in Oshkosh overalls (I do antique work ; a repairer of antiques) and then all of a sudden learn that Grandpa was an assassin. And I did not kill your husband. I did not accept that mission. But I know that it was who it was given by who wanted him killed. Well, I understood that he had parts of a[n] autopsy that they wanted destroyed . . . [understood this from her husband or from a book she has read?] Understand. ... and that he refused to do this. And knowing him, as a Naval officer for 28 years, I know that he would not do this [would not commit suicide, destroy the materials, or disobey higher authority?]. Amen. But I sure would like to help clear his name, and I've done the same thing for South Vietnamese who were treated badly by the CIA, and I've won two major battles along that line, and both of them were against the CIA ... Ted Kennedy is interested in learning more information, and they could release the autopsy records but I think somebody like yourself would have to ask. I have the autopsy the lawyer On JFK? You have yours [your husband's]. Oh, wonderful. The Navy refused it ... refused to give it to me. About 25 years later ... That's a crying shame. . . . when Livingstone wrote the book. . . the lawyer that worked with him sent it to me. Understand. And ... this is something I'd have to think about ... I have been ... Would you like me to send you some information in writing? Some background on me? That would be good. I have been ill with bronchitis ... I'm sorry to hear that. I have not ... I am not feeling myself, truthfully. I hope you understand why I called you personally on this ... Well, I appreciate it. Twenty eight years has been very difficult. Right. I am a nurse and I have been ... I went back to work for eighteen years after Bill died and now I am doing volunteer work at a local hospital three days a week assisting cancer patients. And I'm trying to keep busy, keep my mind occupied and think about somebody else ... I understand. But I think it's important for all of us to get the truth out. It's extremely important. I by the way sent to Jim Lesar all kinds of information and I signed releases so that he could go to every agency in the United States government to corroborate the fact of where I took my training, you know, was there really a Dan Marvin so ... Jim Lesar ... you're talking about the lawyer who's the head of the Assassination Archives Research, or whatever ... Archives'? Right. He came out here to see me once. In the 80s. Right. 189. Do you have my address'? Is it 8603 Boston Avenue? It's 603. 603, right. Takoma Park, Maryland ... Right. And your zip? 20912. Well, it's indeed a pleasure to talk to you. Well, thank you. I just hope that some way not only can we clear the record for your husband, but and your family but also begin an investigation which would look into the deaths of some of the other people that were involved in that. There was another doctor that was killed at the hospital at that time, but there's no information Do you have his name and everything? Yes, it's in the book, but I don't ... Oh. It's in Livingstone's book. But your husband wasn't the kind of man that would commit suicide, was he? Ha. No way... no, he wasn't. Would you by chance allow me to in a letter to Jim Lesar ask him to release all the stuff I sent to go to you, and also ask him to give me a copy of the autopsy? Well ... with his judgement. Yes. If he thinks that is a good idea. Right. One step at a time, like my friend says. I trust him, and he was very good to me, and I don't want to step out of line. I am a Navy dependent. I don't really use the Navy for much. I will tell you that the captains and the admirals that were close friends of Bill's have been very good to me ... Wonderful. ... and one of the admirals' wives said, "I am very proud of you." Oh, praise the Lord. Did any of the navy intelligence people actually contact you and tell you to be quiet about whole thing? They did. They told me not to talk.... And when was that? ... to anyone. After his death. But the navy intelligence [people] were here, and at the house, and everything and for twenty five years, I did not really discuss it ... Right. Only a few close friends have I ever discussed it with. Except for the bronchitis, I'd say you' re a very strong and courageous woman, and I just want to be one of the there's two other people who are working on this with me: Robin Palmer and Alan Eaglesham two very courageous men. And, the good Lord willing I am a Christian, born again Christian and I pray every day about this and I'm just so pleased that I was able to talk to you. The only thing is that I was ... Bill was given a top military funeral everything. And I was given full compensation from the Navy. Wonderful. And we have wondered, if more was said about this, if my compensation might be stopped. No. No, it cannot be and I would fight anybody ... and I have a couple of Senators on my side on things like that. Because some of the members of my team my A team who were threatened by the CIA in Vietnam were told the same thing and I got it squared away, and they're still getting their retirement pay. So I wouldn't worry about that. I am eighty years old at this time, and I Oh, for heaven's sake, you don't sound it. I'm sixty one. Well, praise the Lord. I don't I really need You know, I'm not earning at this time. Right. And I would hate to see that stopped. Yes. I loved the Navy. We had wonderful duty on Guam, we had it in Hawaii, we had it in California, and we loved it. Which one of your sons is closest to you that you would like me to send a copy of this letter to. Well, I'm having problems with this now. The older son I think both sons were terribly troubled by their father's death. They have never been the same. They're both in California. I . . . I'm not in touch with the older son. I am in touch with my grandsons in California, and they are grown and wonderful. Oh, great. So there's no one I can send a copy of this to support you? No, not at this time. Okay. I think that their lives were even more damaged than mine. I'll be darned. I think I can understand that. Because they respected their father so highly and ... Well, the CIA did the same thing to your husband's reputation as they did to a friend of mine, a former ARVN General, Quang Van Dang and it took me almost a year to just get his name cleared, and it was harder to convince his children than anybody else, because they'd just seen so much written. And I read a hundred and twenty books, and they all had nothing but bad things to say that the CIA had planted. So I'm familiar with that kind of situation. Now let me give you my telephone number, if you wanted to write it down. Okay. It's Colonel Dan Marvin, M A R V I N. And it's area code 607 ... Right ... 272 ... 272 ... 0473. 0473. And you should expect something in the mail within three or four days. All right. Thank you. My pleasure talking to you. God bless you. Thank you very much. Bye bye. Bye bye. TRANSCRIPT OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN LT. COL. DAN MARVIN AND MRS. JOYCE PITZER EVENING OF 31 JANUARY 1995 Hello? Hello, Mrs. Pitzer? Yes. This is Col Dan Marvin. How are you this evening? Well, pretty good. Did you by chance get my last letter? No, I just got the first one. Oh, you just got the first one. Yeah. Well, you’ve got another one coming to you, dated the 28th of January. I talked to Jim Lesar . . . Yeah . . . And he said that he would be sending the autopsy to me. Okay. And he said he would be glad to work with me to help you, and one of the main reasons I called tonight was to let you know that there has been a contract signed between a major network and a British producer named Nigel Turner who is very famous for documentaries on the JFK assassination. He’s a good man. I talked to him. Yeah. And he’s developing a documentary to be put together this year and then made public in October or November this year . . . and it would be very good – I believe – to get your husband’s record cleared completely if you were to be a part of that. I am already a part of it. And we also – by the way – I just found out yesterday – and this is another major reason for my call – found out yesterday that the people who are putting this documentary together have a friend of your husband’s (who will be in the documentary with me) that personally saw the film and slides that your husband had of the JFK autopsy – and that alone should do very well towards clearing your husband. And of course the whole reason for the documentary is to get this on a worldwide basis so we can get pressure on Congress to have hearings to clear your husband and to clear other people who are affected the same way. Yeah. Especially – I tell you, one of the most beautiful things about it would be if we were able to somehow get a good relationship between you and your sons again. Well, that – the thing of it is, that’s impossible, right now. I don’t know where the older son is and he evidently wants to be lost at this time. I am very close to his son, my grandson. And I haven’t heard from the older son for about 2 ½ years. I see. But he’s done this before. Well, do you think it would help if I were to contact him personally through the grandson? Well, they can’t find him either. They . . . Oh, I see. They’ve tried, and he is not in touch with anyone. How about your younger son? Well, he . . . we don’t get along too well. We don’t see eye to eye on things. He’s out in Hollywood, and he’s very different from the rest of the family. He was very close to his father, and I think that his father’s death had quite an effect on him. I have some very close friends in Los Angeles who – if I were to find out from you where he lives, I could write him and have – especially Marilyn Rider who is working with me on a book about some of my Vietnam experiences – could have her contact him. And I think maybe if we could get the truth to him and let him know that – hey, we know and we’re trying to get this all public . . . that perhaps there would be a good relationship between you and him. Well, the only thing is . . . I had talked with my husband’s sister, and she really is against opening this up. She thinks that we went through so much and it’s been so long that – and of course, none of the family felt that he took his own life anyway. I understand. Was Bill right-handed or left-handed? He was right-handed. Right-handed. And they couldn’t give me the wedding ring because – they said – his left hand was damaged. I wonder how it got damaged. Well, that’s – they never were able to explain . For heaven’s sake. And . . . Would it do any good to write your sister-in-law? I don’t know. I don’t know. I have to think about this. Right. To be truthful, I’m not sure I’m up to going through all this again. Oh, I understand. I . . . I don’t know. I really don’t know. You started to say something about his left hand. Well, his left hand was damaged, and they said – the navy said – they couldn’t give me his wedding ring. Right. That’s a shame. So . . . have you seen the autopsy report? No, Jim Lesar said he would send it to me real quickly . . . There’s not much . . . there’s nothing, really, in it. And of course, the navy never said he took his life. They just said he died suddenly. Yes. I assumed that would be the case. But . . . Nigel Turner – please try and remember that name – he will be calling you. Now, it will be completely up to you, but I recommend that you at least give him a chance to talk to you, because he’s very sincere. We are all just trying to help you . . . The only thing is . . . Colonel, I don’t want to do anything that turns the navy against me. I have been president of the navy wives , I have been very active since Bill died, I was president of 240 members when he died, and then I have been second vice president for quite a few years and they have been very wonderful to me. I understand. And deservedly so. But don’t you think that the navy would want to clean up something that’s dirty? Well, the only thing is, several of the captains and one of the admirals . . . told me when Livingstone was writing the book . . . to stay out of it. Well, I can understand that, because Livingstone was trying to get to the truth and too many people could get hurt, you know? Well, I’m going to have to think about this, okay? Yeah. Could I just ask you a couple more questions please? Yeah. Harrison Livingstone in his book wrote that your husband carried a gun with blanks the last year of his life. Well, the only thing . . . (laughs) That’s funny. Well, he did eleven trips . . . secret warfare for Vietnam. And he made eleven trips that year. And he did have to carry a gun that was blank; it had no . . . No ammunition. No. I see. Did he go to Virginia by chance? On those trips? I don’t know. He was in Florida, he was in Texas, he was many places and he was still to go in December to New London. I see. Connecticut. And he had made eleven trips. And I think that this has a lot to do with his thought of retiring. I see. He had already been offered a position . Yes, you told me. And . . . so . . . I don’t know. Did your husband . . . your husband was an MSC, right? Not a doctor. No, an MSC, Lieutenant Commander. Did he normally wear civilian clothes to work? He what? Did he normally wear civilian clothes to work? Oh no, no, no, no. I didn’t think so. He was found in civilian clothes, I understand. Sure, that was on a Saturday afternoon, and he had been raking leaves here at home. . . and he just went out there to write a speech at the office. Well, for heaven’s sake. I’ll be darned. He was very much a naval officer, and always in uniform. Except when – you know – he wasn’t on duty, that afternoon, he was just going out there to write this speech that he was to make at the college on Wednesday. Now this was the college where he had been offered the job? Yes, it was out in Rockville, at Montgomery Junior College. He was going to teach educational television. I see. That would have been great. He was quite enthused about it. Did you know anything more about this Doctor Raymond that also was killed there? No, all I knew was what I read in the book. Oh, I see. Now whether he was in – at the autopsy – he could have been. Right. I wonder if – you wouldn’t happen to know any old friends of your husband’s . . . who could – who I could contact – to maybe find out if there was in fact a Doctor Raymond? No, because I talked with several of them, and no one seemed to know him. I’ll be darned. Isn’t that something, though? It’s a funny thing to happen . . . I don’t know . . . he evidently was not a naval officer. I see. Oh, a civilian doctor. Evidently. Yeah. Well, please wait until you get the information that I’ve sent you – it’s a letter dated 28th of January. All right. . . And read a little bit and I think you’ll find, by reading it, how sincere I am. There’s another gentleman who – a gentleman who was under the gun of the CIA for 24 years and it took . . . and we freed him from that last year – and he’s sixty-some years old but he still felt it was worth the effort. And I’d just like to see your husband’s name cleared. My wife told me today – told my oldest daughter today – that she doesn’t like the idea of our grandchildren finding out that I was an assassin for the United States Army. You know, it’s not easy on this end either I know . . . . . . but when I saw your husband’s name up there I had to do it. So please do think it over .. . I will think about it and . . . it just seems, I made it through these 28 years and I don’t know whether I can go through this again. I understand. But you know that we’ll help you all we can . And we’re with you on it. I had so much calling and everything when Livingstone was writing the book and . . . I don’t know. It wasn’t easy. I understand. . . I can’t understand completely, any more than you can understand completely how my family feels about my . . . particular thing right now. Yeah. I’ll be praying on it. Yeah, I know. And please do let me know one way or another, would you? Okay. Thank you for calling. You’re very welcome. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

Alan, We have debated on this issue before. Perhaps you can discuss and give your view on the following "controversial" issues related to the Pitzer death: (I haven't read your article yet...) * Pitzer's twisted and broken arm/hand (struggle)? * The shot entered Pitzer's head from the right hand side, his friend D.- David claims he was left handed. * Pitzer's immediate family and friends didn't seem to consider that there were any problems in their life (nor LTCDR Pitzer's), certainly none that would have driven him to commit suicide. * Any idea what particular film Dennis David saw with Pitzer? And what happened to this film since? Thanks. Antti

Lee, I concur that your lower red line in Zap 314 is a credible path for a head shot bullet, based on the "debris" flying off of JFK's head after impact with the missile. Nevertheless, the back and to the left head movement is confusing, also the claims from witnesses of having found skull pieces in varying locations around DP adds to the confusion. Perhaps a shot from a low trajectory like the sewer makes sense afterall.

Yeah, Well perhaps as a TV conglomerate they ought to make a distinction between Disney cartoons (typically fiction) and Discovery channel documentaries (typically science or history and facts) and not mix the two.

Great article by Mr. Charles-Dunne! You raise the same questions that Mr. Root and I have raised. A few comments I'd like to point out: The Scandinavian countries have been a "passport free zone" (for Scandinavians)since the 1950's, and for instance in my experience, typically you are not asked anything, and also if you are asked something, you might be asked where you are coming from. If you claim to be coming from Finland, and going to Sweden, you will just be asked to proceed. In other words Oswald could have "snuck" into Sweden without getting anything stamped, however, I doubt his Soviet visa was issued anywhere but Helsinki. Also Hotel records indicate he stayed at the Torni from the 10th tothe 11th and the at the Klaus Kurki, until he left for Moscow on the train. Actually he probably got the departure date down correctly on his Finnish goverment form, didn't his train leave Helsinki on the 15th? Funny that he knew this so precisely in advance... upon entering Finland. http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald/journey.htm Peter Wronski has compiled this site and has scanned some of Oswald's travel documents onto the web-site. Most important evidence is that Oswald's visa was approved in 1 day!!! He applied for it on the 13th and received it on the 14th.... Many of the dates do coincide nicely with the US embassy in Helsinki, Walker's travels etc.