Steve Thomas

I just read that the Republicans have figured out to stop all this violence we're seeing. Give billionaires a tax cut. Steve Thomas

I never dreamed this would go global. What was it we used to chant back in the 60's? "The Whole World is Watching" "The Whole World is Watching". "Thousands now chanting “black lives matter” in front of the US Embassy in Berlin #GeorgeFloyd" https://twitter.com/CarlNasman/status/1266763136100708353 "Global Protests for George Floyd Staged in Berlin, London and Toronto https://variety.com/2020/politics/global/george-floyd-protests-berlin-toronto-london-black-lives-matter-1234621350/ Steve Thomas

There is an interesting dichotomy shaping up I think. July 4th is a national holiday celebrating freedom and independence. Donald Trump wants to change it to a glorification of the military, at the same time he wants to deploy the military into American cities. Pentagon considering military flyovers, bands for July 4 celebration https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/29/pentagon-considering-military-flyovers-bands-for-july-4-celebration-290000 Pentagon Puts Military Police on Standby to Head to Minneapolis https://www.thedailybeast.com/pentagon-puts-military-police-on-standby-to-head-to-minneapolis No good is going to come of this. You watch. Steve Thomas

John, Probably the most famous one is the cable that was sent out in the evening of 11/22/63. 6.There have been references on several threads about a cable sent on the evening of 11/22 from Fort Sam Houston to Strike Command, McDill AFB in Florida. In the cable, reference was made to information obtained by Detective Don Stringfellow of the Dallas Police Department. I managed to locate a copy of the cable, which you can find here: https://archive.org/details/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK I think this is in the Weisberg collection. L.D. Stringfellow was a Detective in the Dallas Police Department's Special Service Bureau. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf 1) Note the reference in this military intelligence file's cable to Harvey Lee Oswald Steve Thomas

John, Propaganda. Steve Thomas

Huffingtom Post 05/25/2020 "President Donald Trump’s senior economic adviser, Kevin Hassett, presented a cold view of the U.S. economic system Sunday, referring to American workers as “human capital stock.” In a Sunday interview on CNN, Hassett predicted that business would pick up again soon. “Our human capital stock is ready to get back to work,” he said...", That just about says it all, doesn't it? Gives me warm and fuzzy feelings all over. Steve Thomas

Denny 9. OSWALD CASE-REFERENCE IS MADE TO THE ATTACHED C COPY OF AN INCOMING STATE DEPARTMENT TELEGRAM DATED 19 DECEMBER 1963, IN CONNECTION WITH THE HARVEY LEE OSWALD CASE https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=5921&search=%22Harvey_Lee+Oswald%22#relPageId=2&tab=page To: Chief/Research Branch/SRS/OS Date: December 30, 1963 From: M.D. Stevens Subject: Oswald Case Reference is made to the attached copy of an incoming State Department telegram dated 19 December 1963, in conjunction with the Harvey Lee Oswald case (see Tab A). This telegram concerns a Mr. and Mrs. DeMohrenschildt who appear to have lived in Dallas, Texas, but on 2 June 1963 went to Haiti and have not since returned to the United States. (Tab A is not included with this memo) The Harvey Lee Oswald name can't be attributed to a simple inversion, or a mistake, or a typo. It appears in too many places. You have it showing up in CIA files, Secret Service Files, Military Intelligence files, Army and Navy files, FBI files, and local law enforcement files. I believe that a dossier on a Harvey Lee Oswald was circulated or shared across many different intelligence agencies. Now when that dossier was started, and by whom and for what purpose, are open questions. I agree with Peter Dales Scott when he wrote, " This "Harvey Lee Oswald" reference is no accidental anomaly, but part of an organized pattern, widely dispersed, that suggests an official intelligence deception (and possible dual filing system). Serial 02296-E of 27 Jun 60 is the earliest Harvey Lee Oswald reference we now possess of over two dozen, from the files of ONI, FBI, CIA, Army Intelligence, the Secret Service, the Mexican Secret Police (DFS), and the Dallas Police.9 9 . For a discussion and incomplete list, see Peter Dale Scott, Deep Politics Two, 80, 85-89, 118-19, 142-49. Steve Thomas

John, 9. Commission Document 498 - SS Rowley Memorandum of 13 Mar 1964 Forwarding Reports https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10898&search=%22Harvey_Lee+Oswald%22#relPageId=37&tab=page pp. 37-38. The Report is titled, Harvey Lee Oswald. SS Protective Research Report by Kenneth J. Weisman of an interview with Billy Joe Lord, who traveled to Europe with Oswald aboard the SS Marion Lykes. Lord constantly refers to “Harvey Lee Oswald” whom he found to be “unfriendly, standoffish, and that the two of them “didn't hit off”. (p. 38.) The Report was written by Weisman on February 28, 1964 and approved by a Jose (?)(Benavides?)(sic?) on March 2, 1964. The name, Harvey Lee Oswald is used seven times in the same document. Steve Thomas

John, To me, this is one of the more interesting ones: 27. MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD: SUBJECT - HARVEY LEE OSWALD https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=18291&search="Harvey_Lee+Oswald"#relPageId=2&tab=page The author of this memorandum is unknown. The subject of the memo is Harvey Lee Oswald. It looks like it dates from 1972. “The DC/CI (counterintelligence) advised me that the Director had relayed via the DDP (Deputy Director of Plans) the injunction that the Agency was not, under any circumstances, to make inquiries or ask questions of any source or defector about Oswald.” 1. Sheriff Decker's file on the assassination, given to the Warren Commission list the assailant's name as "Harvey Lee Oswald" (12H51) (CE 5323) Deposition of Sheriff Decker dark brown heavy folder with a label on the outside: Harvey Lee Oswald. Steve Thomas

John, You might want to look at this Forum thread: Harvey Lee Oswald http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24392-harvey-lee-oswald/ Steve Thomas

Denny, Oswald wasn't "passing through" Minsk. He was sent there. From, “Lee Harvey Oswald in His Own Words: The "Historic Diary"” http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/historicdiary.htm Jan 4 (1960). “I am called to passsport office and finally given a Soviet document, not the soviet citizenship as I so wanted, only a Residence document, not even for foreigners but a paper called, "for those without citizenship." Still I am happy. The official says they are sending me to the city of "Minsk." Jan. 11." I visit Minsk radio factory where I shall work." Steve Thomas

Jim, I've found 30 of them so far. Steve Thomas

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Jeremy, You wrote, " Steve, The word гражданин here means citizen in the sense of someone who is permitted to live in a particular place. The document refers to Oswald's legal residence in the Soviet Union, and does not imply that he possessed Soviet citizenship in the usual sense of the word. A pedant writes: гражданин is pronounced 'grazh-da-nin', not 'grach-da-nin' ('zh' as in Dr Zhivago)." Thanks. I had that letter mixed up with the X that would be pronounced like :Loch Ness Monster, or the German word, Achtung! I have a lot to learn. The word "Citizen" is defined as, a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection (distinguished from alien). In my mind, a "Citizen" conveys something stronger than just permitting someone to live there. Just granting Oswald the right to live in the USSR was the whole purpose for his "non-citizen alien identity card". But, like you say, maybe I've been reading too much into it. Steve Thomas

Jim, The statement from Dobrynin in December, 1963 is only an explanation for the Soviet's rejection of Oswald's application. Like I said, we don't have the actual application, nor any paperwork relating to the Soviet's rejection. It's interesting, I said that the negative character reference memo from the Minsk Radio factory in CE 985, p. 433 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22 is dated December 11, 1961 and refers to “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald. But that's not how the Russian rejection letter on page 434 reads. It calls him, "Oswald Lee Harvey". in both places. It looks like either the translator, or the typist screwed up; or the transposing of names was deliberate. In all places in the character reference, it uses the Russian for for "Citizen" when it refers to Oswald. (Гражданин). (That's pronounced, Graach/da/neen) Why they would be calling him a Citizen in 1961, and then explaining in 1963 why they rejected his citizenship application is beyond me. Maybe I'm missing something. Steve Thomas

John, You've asked the $64,000 question. Steve Thomas

Jim, To me, there is a very clear distinction between Comrade and Citizen. The Soviets took this very seriously, especially during the height of the Cold War. There are others who do not think the distinction is very great. Here's a portion of the Soviet's explanation for rejecting the citizenship application of Harvey Lee Oswald. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=7986&relPageId=111&search=Dobrynin_December%2011,%201963 We do not have Oswald's original citizenship application, nor the Soviet's written rejection of that application. This is only an "explanation" of why some Oswald's application was rejected. In this letter, it says that Harvey Lee Oswald's request for USSR Citizenship was denied. It doesn't say when he applied for that citizenship, but the negative character reference memo from the Minsk Radio factory in CE 985, p. 433 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22 is dated December 11, 1961 and refers to “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald. (We're back to the surly and non-social Oswald here) As early as February, 1961, Oswald was trying to get back to the U.S. The U.S. told him he would have to appear at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow in person. He didn't have permission to travel to Moscow, but in July, he showed up there and appeared at the Embassy on July 8th. He told the Embassy staff there that he had never actually applied for Soviet Citizenship, but was living in Russia as a non-resident alien and showed them his non-citizen alien identity card as proof. In his letter of resignation addressed to the Director of the Minsk Plant dated May 18, 1962, LHO identified himself as, “The Locksmith of the Experimental Plant.” https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=516&tab=page p. 486 In his employee workbook, LHO gave his job title as “Adjuster” https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=95&tab=page p. 65. So far, I've seen him called an Assembler, a Regulator, an Adjuster, and a Locksmith. You asked, "You do point out some interesting anomalies in the Russian data. Do you have a theory to explain this?" I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know. Steve Thomas

Bill, Did you run across the name J. Carlin Brandt? From Weisberg's collection: "4. J. CARLIN BRANDT, chief, accounting clerk for Mobil Oil, moved from 601 N. Ewing St. in 1963 to 223 S. Ewing, Jack Ruby’s apartment house. Brandt is the name of the prime suspect in the Minute Man recruitment effort in the Matamorros bar six weeks before the assassination who told Alan Dale’s informant that the Minute Men had a contract to kill JFK. The latter Brandt - one John Brandt, combination gunsmith and Minute Man from the Ray Brantley circle in Dallas, a former employee of Brantley’s, dropped out of directory listings after the assassination, and Penn Jones advises via Mary now that John Brandt is living covertly at 2960 Colfing Green, Farmers Branch, Texas, another widely recognized residential area of Dallas, which was a hot-bed of anti-castro speeches and activities prior to the assassination. At the time of the killing, JOHN 3RANDT was living at 801 Rindie, Irving. He was given a job by LING-TEMPCO-VAUGHT, than disappeared about a year ago, ostensibly for an operation, and went into his present hiding in Farmers Branch." Mac Wallace went to work for LTV too. Steve Thomas

John, For some more funny business going on... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=444&tab=page On page 430 of CE 985, there is a Certificate dated July 15, 1961 that “Comrade”, Lee Harvey Oswald was employed as an assembler at the Minsk Radio Plant. The date January 1, 1960 is typed on the Certificate. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=447&tab=page On page 433 of that CE Exhibit (CE 985), it says that “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald was hired as a regulator at the Minsk Radio Plant on January 13, 1960. "Comrade" Lee Harvey Oswald is hired January 1, 1960 as an assembler. Two weeks later, "Citizen" Harvey Lee Oswald is hired on January 13, 1960 as a regulator. If I have this right, a regulator was someone connected with quality control. It wasn't until 10 days after that first Certificate is dated, on January 11, 1960, that Lee H. Oswald submitted an application for employment at the Minsk Radio and TV plant. On his application, he wrote that his parents were dead, and he had no brothers or sisters. (pp. 426-427). https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&search=%22Harvey_Lee+Oswald%22#relPageId=440&tab=page Maybe he was appointed or hired as of January 1st, but didn't officially fill out an application until January 11th. PS: Lee Harvey Oswald maintained until the day he died that he had not applied for citizenship in the USSR, and he was right. It was Harvey Lee Oswald who was denied citizenship. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=7986&relPageId=111&search=Dobrynin_December 11, 1963 Funny business going on over there in that ol' Russia. Steve Thomas

This is a direct quote from Donald Trump: "We're going after Virginia, with your crazy governor. We're going after Virginia. They want to take your Second Amendment away. You'll have nobody guarding your potatoes." The Governor told him to stop taking the hydroxychloroquine. Steve Thomas

Jim, Boris and Natasha... that's funny 🙂 You know, I've often wondered if LHO knew, or suspected Marina of being a "honey pot: agent, and brought her over here anyway. Did he leave her alone to carry out her own agenda? It seems like they spent an awful lot of time apart from each other in the fall of 1962 once they got back to the Unites States.. He completely disappears for two weeks, and she's flitting around between the Mellers and the Fords and what not. Steve Thomas

James, I don't know, but the idea that somebody who spent a stretch in the Army Security Agency, and was stationed in a location that intercepted Russian and East German military traffic at the height of the Cold War didn't know what microdots were, just strains my credulity. Steve Thomas

James, I would only add a note of caution about that. To the best of my knowledge, we only have Ofstein's word on that, and I think I've picked up a couple of instances where he was less than truthful shall we say; such as not remembering Crigler's last name, even after visiting in their respective homes on at least three different occasions. Steve Thomas

James, Here is what I have picked up along the way: On December 6, 1963 Thomas Crigler was interviewed by the FBI. He said that he met Ofstein “accidentally” on the street. See FBI interview of Crigler December 6, 1963: CD 205 p. 478 https://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672#relPageId=481&tab=page Thomas H. Crigler, Jr., 1705 McAdams, advised he is currently a Staff Sergeant, U.S. Army Security Agency, Field Representative, assigned to U.S. Army Recruiting Station, Dallas. He advised that he and Dennis Ofstein were assigned to the same U.S. Army branch in Europe and that he knew Ofstein from about June, 1960 to December, 1960 purely as another person attached to the same unit with him. He said that he had never become socially or well acquainted with Ofstein at that time. He said the caption of their group was the 507th USASA Group, Heilbron, West Germany.” (This is actually spelled Heibronn.) 1705 McAdams Ave. is in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas, about a thousand feet south of Illinois, just off Rugged Dr. Colin Crow: http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=11247.25;wap2 “OFSTEIN said this statement aroused his suspicions and he asked Sgt. TOM CRIGLER, who is employed with the U. S. Army Recruiting Station, Dallas, and is a resident of the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, regarding this. He said he told CRIGLER he had run into a fellow at work who had spent some time in Russia and he wondered if the FBI should run a security check on him inasmuch as he, OFSTEIN, did not want to jeopardize his own status for any possible future security clearances in the event he ever returned to the U. S. Army." The problem with the above is the fact that Sgt. Tom Crigler told the FBI that Ofstein contacted him in August, 1963. Five months AFTER Oswald had left Jaggars. Why would Ofstein suddenly want the FBI to run a check on Oswald in August, 1963 when he allegedly hadn't seen the guy in five months? Why would Ofstein be concerned about "future security clearances" a minimum of five months after Oswald had spoken to him about "microdots" and three months before the assassination? Why did Ofstein say it was the "microdot" conversation that pushed him into the Crigler meeting but fail to mention the meeting was in August? Ofstein also states that Oswald gave him the details of his P.O. Box address in Dallas and that he sent a letter to it after Oswald had left the company asking (AGAIN) if Oswald and his wife wanted to visit his house for dinner.” He said that he met Olfstein “accidentally” on the street, and that, “he knew Ofstein from about June, 1960 to December, 1960 purely as another person attached to the same unit with him. He said that he had never become socially or well acquainted with Ofstein However, he said later in his FBI interview that about a week after meeting Ofstein in the street in August, Ofstein and his family came to Crigler's house, and that twice more he and his wife visited Ofstein at his (Ofstein's) house. Ofstein's WC testimony was taken at 2 p.m., on March 30, 1964. Mr. OFSTEIN. No, sir. After Oswald was released from employment, I did ask the recruiting sergeant for Army security here in town, who I was stationed with overseas, about the possibility of getting the FBI to run a routine check on him because of the fact that I have done security work, and the. fact that I also--this was just before I wrote the letter to Oswald inviting him and his wife over--due to the fact that I wanted to keep my record clean. Well, I didn't suspect him as being a spy or anything like that--I just wanted to make sure I was with the right company, and he told me that it was probably nothing. Mr. JENNER. You wanted to inquire not only with respect to him but also whether you were with the right company? Mr. OFSTEIN. Well, sir, I wouldn't jeopardize losing any chance of getting a security clearance at anytime I needed it. Mr. JENNER. And, Sergeant Crozier, did you say his name was--I believe it is Sergeant Geiger. Mr. OFSTEIN. His first name is Tom--I can't remember his last name now. Mr. JENNER. Or, is it Kriegler? Mr. OFSTEIN . Kriegler yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. He had been in the service with you, you had served together? Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir. So, sometime between August, 1963 (and at least three more times when they had been in each others' homes) and a two-day FBI interview on December 2nd and 3rd, 1963, Ofstein forgot Crigler's last name by March, 1964. Seems a little odd. http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?http&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_319thASABn.htm The 507th US Army Security Agency Group was established on August 10, 1957/ In researching the 507th UASA Group: https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm In contrast to Vietnam where airborne COMINT was playing a significant role in the 1960s, there was no need for airborne COMINT assets in Europe where the ASA collected COMINT via a well-established network of fixed Field Stations.” “Our mission was communications monitoring and intercept “ According to Wikileaks the Army Security Agency: “The Agency existed between 1945 and 1976 and was the successor to Army signal intelligence operations dating back to World War I. ASA was under the operational control of the Director of the National Security Agency (DIRNSA), located at Fort Meade, Maryland; but had its own tactical commander at Headquarters, ASA, Arlington Hall Station, VA.” “Composed of soldiers trained in military intelligence, the ASA was tasked with monitoring and interpreting military communications of the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, and their allies and client states around the world. The ASA was directly subordinate to the National Security Agency and all major field stations had NSA technical representatives present.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Security_Agency These are two very interesting websites. Many of the men went through the Language School at Monterey. They were on the front lines of the East/West tensions at the height of the Cold War in Germany. Their job was to monitor, intercept and translate Russian and East German military radio traffic: https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm In May 1951, HHC, 502nd Communications Reconnaissance (Comm Rcn) Group was activated at Ft. Devens, MA. The unit received orders to move to Germany in June 1952. Upon arrival in Europe, the Group was assigned to HQ ASA, Europe and ordered to Badenerhof Kaserne in Heilbronn. The 502nd was probably further attached to the Seventh Army and assigned the mission of providing signal intelligence and security support to the field army and its subordinate units. At this time, the 502d Group also assumed control of the 302d and 307th Communications Reconnaissance Battalions which were already in country. On 15 October 1957, the 502nd ASA Gp was redesignated as 507th USASA Gp. The 507th reported directly to Headquarters USA Europe. Paul Mowrey, Det K-1, Coburg, 1957-58: https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm “The primary mission at Coburg when I was there was intercepting Russian and German voice traffic, mostly tank units in some phase of their training cycle. I was part of about 10 students who graduated from the ASA Voice Intercept School in Feb, 1957. After the surge in traffic from the Hungarian Revolution and perhaps to attain more central control over what is going on, the Army decided to upgrade Russian language transcription services. This effort was headed by CWO Owen Yates in the 502nd (GP) in Heilbronn. All transcription material from Lübeck, Bahrdorf, Coburg, and Passau came to Heilbronn to be checked or cross referenced. After we gained some experience we were sent out to the 302nd and 307th.” So, Ofstein went to the Monterey School of Languages where he studied Russian for a year, and knew German which he had “picked up while he was in Germany” working for a military unit who job it was to intercept and translate Russian and East German military radio traffic. Men who joined the ASA were recruited at the recruiting station, before they went off to basic training. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/ofstein.htm Mr. OFSTEIN Well, when I went in the service I was interested in radio--I was a disc jockey at the time, and the closest thing my recruiting sergeant said that I could get to radio would be possibly with the Army security agency, so I signed up, and after basic training I went to Fort Devens, Mass., and was held there on a temporary status while the agency determined what type training I should have, and I was given a language ability test and passed that and had a choice of three languages to take, and Russian was my first choice and I was sent to Monterey to study. http://www.fortdevensmuseum.org/ArmySecurityAgency.php Submitted by Walter Chisholm “Most enlistees who joined the Army when I did, did so for a period of three years and that was my intention, too. However, after taking the ordinary battery of tests given to new recruits, I and two others in my group were called aside and taken to a room to talk to another recruiter. He told us that our high scores on those tests qualified us to join an elite group of soldiers in the "Army Security Agency". Of course we had never heard of the ASA and when we asked questions he seemed quite evasive saying only that it was so secret that he couldn't tell us much about it, but he used the words "Top Secret" several times. Sounded very "cloak and dagger. He made a point that "you don't have much time to decide. If you accept, I have to get you on a plane to Fort Jackson SC where you will undergo basic training and then go on to your ASA schooling." (Source: Email from John O'Neil) (served in 1960) https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm My next duty station (after Vint Hill Farms) was with the 507th USASA Group (Field Army) at Heilbronn am Neckar. We had 4 -2½ ton trucks with expandable sides that held all our IBM equipment that ran off portable diesel generators (one per truck). Jim Campbell in his email said “(When I was in, no 206 had ever re-enlisted - IBM had a job ready for them when they got out.)” When I got out I went to the IBM office in San Francisco, showed them my diploma with TJ Watson’s signature and asked for a job, they asked me what I knew about computers, so I told them I’d seen one in Germany. I got the hint when they said ‘Goodbye, thanks for stopping in”. Late in 1962 was not the time to look for a job repairing the soon to be obsolete IBM punched card machines! It all turned out for the best. I worked as a tab operator while I taught myself computer programming and all that stuff and lived happily ever after. My wife, our three children and I moved to Australia 40 years ago. Hielbronn was where Dennis Ofstein of Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall fame and Thomas H. Crigler were stationed. Thomas Crigler worked as an Army recruiter. There was a recruiting office about one or two blocks from the Texas Theater and Brewer's Shoe store in Oak Cliff. Crigler lived at 1705 McAdams in Oak Cliff. Did Crigler know the “IBM men” from Johnny Brewer’s shoe store? Steve Thomas

John, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm WC testimony February 3, 1964 Mr. RANKIN. Did you know that Lee Oswald was an American when you first met him? Mrs. OSWALD. I found that out at the end of that party, towards the end of that party, when I was first introduced to him, I didn't know that. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscamar1.htm HSCA testimony 1977? Mrs. PORTER. No, I didn't. When he asked to dance, we just talked very little. Mr. McDONALD. Did he tell you he was an American? Mrs. PORTER. No, not at that--not during the dancing, no. Mr. McDONALD. At this time you were speaking in Russian together? Mrs. PORTER. Yes. He spoke with accent so I assumed he was maybe from another state, which is customary in Russia. People from other states do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak different languages. Mr. McDONALD. So when you say another state, you mean another Russian state? Mrs. PORTER. Yes, like Estonia, Lithuania, something like that. Mr. McDONALD. Did you suspect at all that he was an American? Mrs. PORTER. No, not at all. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm Mr. JENNER. What was your impression of his command of Russian? Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, he spoke fluent Russian, but with a foreign accent, and made mistakes, grammatical mistakes, but had remarkable fluency in Russian. Mr. JENNER. It was remarkable? Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Remarkable--for a fellow of his background and education, it is remarkable how fast he learned it. But he loved the language. He loved to speak it. He preferred to speak Russian than English any time. He always would switch from English to Russian. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm Mr. BOUHE - I never discussed a membership in any organization or hunting club. But I now remember that when I asked him after the week's work is done, what do you do--"Well, the boys and I go and hunt duck." And he said, "ducklings". The reason why I remember it is because he didn't say "duck," but he said in Russian the equivalent of "duckys-duckys". Mr. LIEBELER - He used the Russian word that was not the precise word to describe duck? Mr. BOUHE - Yes; but a man going shooting would not use it. He spoke in Russian and did not try to get the Russian word exactly. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you speak to Oswald in the Russian language from time to time? Mr. BOUHE - Yes; I did. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you form an impression as to his command of that language? Mr. BOUHE - Yes. Mr. LIEBELER - What was that impression? Mr. BOUHE - A very strange assortment of words. Grammatically not perfect, but an apparent ease to express himself in that language. Mr. LIEBELER - Did Oswald's command of the Russian language seem to be about what you would expect from him, having been in Russia for that period of time? Would you say it was good? Mr. BOUHE - I would say very good. Mr. LIEBELER - You think he had a good command of the language, considering the amount of time he had spent in Russia? Mr. BOUHE - Sir, for everyday conversations, yes. But I think that if I would have asked him to write, I would think he would have difficulty. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/raigorod.htm Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, from what I understand, George De Mohrenschildt comes from what we call by-the-Baltic Germans. Mr. JENNER. What is--by-the-Baltic Germans? Mr. RAIGORODSKY. The by-the-Baltic Germans are Germans that lived by the Baltic Sea and they were Russians or rather, Russiafied Germans and they were in the service of the Czar for generations and generations and were considered Russians. Most of them were barons, you know, and I don't know whether George's family were or not, but the "de" Mohrenschildt signifies that his family had a title. Posted in the Education Forum by Jack White April 2, 2010 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/15686-did-harvey-return-from-russia/page/3/ “I am still doing comparisons of the Russian LHO with the Dallas LHO. Some depict the same person, some do not. The point is...we do not really know what the variety of LHOs in Russia represents...a substitute or doctored photos, or both. But the photos show something suspicious was going on. This leaves us to wonder...did the fake defector Harvey return to the US, or was a Russian impostor substituted for the US impostor? Jack” Steve Thomas