Steve Thomas

James, You're right. My apologies to Jim Hargrove, who started this thread. Steve Thomas

Jim, I think I agree with James that the "Oswald" imposter came from Russia, specifically from the Baltic region. In looking for the earliest mentions of a "Harvey Lee Oswald", I was intrigued by the idea that the earliest mentions I could find came from Russian sources. I think there was some kind of triple agent thing going on, but I've never been able to really flesh it out. Steve Thomas

James, http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=11247.25;wap2 “OFSTEIN said this statement aroused his suspicions and he asked Sgt. TOM CRIGLER, who is employed with the U. S. Army Recruiting Station, Dallas, and is a resident of the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, regarding this. He said he told CRIGLER he had run into a fellow at work who had spent some time in Russia and he wondered if the FBI should run a security check on him inasmuch as he, OFSTEIN, did not want to jeopardize his own status for any possible future security clearances in the event he ever returned to the U. S. Army." The problem with the above, is the fact that Sgt. Tom Crigler told the FBI that Ofstein contacted him in August, 1963,.five months AFTER Oswald had left Jaggars. Why would Ofstein suddenly want the FBI to run a check on Oswald in August, 1963 when he allegedly hadn't seen the guy in five months? Why would Ofstein be concerned about "future security clearances" a minimum of five months after Oswald had spoken to him about "microdots" and three months before the assassination? Why did Ofstein say it was the "microdot" conversation that pushed him into the Crigler meeting but fail to mention the meeting was in August? I have some observations about Crigler, the Army Security Agency and IBM if you're interested, but I don't want to hijack your thread. Steve Thomas

James, This might have a bearing on your question, and then again, it might not. I just don't know; but I felt the same way when comparing Dennis Ofstein's and Oswald's encounters with Louise Latham at the TEC. I believe in the possibility of coincidences as much as the next guy, but there are some coincidences that are kind of eerie. In this area, there are several that I can think of: Oswald and Ofstein were the same age. They were both born in 1939 They both worked at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall They were both referred to JCS by Louise Latham at the Texas Employment Commission Ofstein went through the Monterey School of Language and the possibility exists that Oswald may have as well. John Graef testified before the Warren Commission on March 30, 1964. Mr. GRAEF. That's correct--I'll have to recall as best I can. “In about October 1962, as director of our photographic department we found ourselves in need of another man, so at this time I called the Texas Employment Commission and spoke to them about sending me someone having as close as possible the abilities that might work out in our photographic department.” ”Mr. JENNER. Would you tell us what you told her in that connection, as best as you can reconstruct it, giving us her name--it was a her? Mr. GRAEF. “I believe I remember--yes--Louise Latham”. “They have a larger pool to draw from, so I called--in the course of my dealing with them they have various departments and in the course of dealing with them, I became familiar with one person.” “... So, I called this person repeatedly--after the first call or two--this has gone on now over several years and she knew the type person I was looking for and the type of experience that I was looking for, so I called her, and her name was Louise Latham.” Mr. OFSTEIN. For the past 2 years I have been with Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall as a cameraman. Mr. JENNER As a cameraman? Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. What was your work immediately prior to that, by whom, were you employed? Mr. OFSTEIN. I was working for Sinclair Refining Co. at a local service station. So, Graef is looking for a skilled camera man, and Latham sends him two people; one that worked as a gas station attendant and another guy who was a sheet metal worker. Just sounds very odd to me. Steve Thomas

Of course, I like Stone-Cold, Steve Austin's response. He tweeted out a picture of himself driving down the street wearing a face mask. Somebody sent him a tweet and told him to man up and take off that commie face mask. Austin replied, "Shut your mouth dude". Steve Thomas

I've been waiting for this. Chris Christie: “We sent our young men during World War II over to Europe, out to the Pacific, knowing, knowing that many of them would not come home alive,” he said earlier this month. “And we decided to make that sacrifice because what we were standing up for was the American way of life. In the very same way now, we have to stand up for the American way of life.” Our President is a wartime President, and we're all warriors don't you know. Donald Trump channels Eva Peron. (by me) Inaugural address: Trump's full speech http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/trump-inaugural-address/ "Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another -- but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People. For too long, a small group in our nation's Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished -- but the people did not share in its wealth. The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation's capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land. That all changes -- starting right here, and right now, because this moment is your moment: it belongs to you. What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. Everyone is listening to you now. You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement the likes of which the world has never seen before. We are one nation -- and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams; and their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny. I will fight for you with every breath in my body -- and I will never, ever let you down. Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way. Together, We will make America strong again. We will make wealthy again. We will make America proud again. We will make America safe again. Eva Peron. Speech to the Descamisados on October 17, 1951 https://www.marxists.org/history/argentina/peron/1951/speech.htm I have a sacred debt to Peron and all of you, to the workers, to the boys of the CGT, to the descamisados and the people. And it doesn’t matter to me if I have to leave shred of my life along the way in order to repay it. I will never cease repaying you and would give my life in gratitude for how good you have always been and are with me. I will not tell you the usual lies: I won’t tell you that I don’t deserve this. Yes, I deserve this, my general. I deserve it for one thing alone, which is worth more than all the gold in the world: I deserve it for all I've done for the love of this people. I'm not important because of what I've done; I'm not important because of what I've renounced; I'm not important because of what I am or have. I have only one thing that matters, and I have it in my heart. It sets my soul aflame, it wounds my flesh and burns in my sinews: it’s love for this people and for Perón. I gave you thanks, my general, for having taught me to know and love them. If this people asked me for my life I would joyfully give it, for the happiness of one descamisado is worth more than my entire life. And I had to come to thank all of you, my beloved descamisados from all corners of the fatherland for being willing to risk your lives for Perón. I was certain that you knew – as did I – how to serve as Perón’s entrenchment. The enemies of the people, of Perón and the Fatherland, have also long known that Perón and Eva Perón are ready to die for this people. Now they also know that the people are ready to die for Perón. Compañeros, I ask just one thing today: that all of us publicly vow to defend Perón and to fight for him until death. And our oath will be shouted for a minute so that our cry can reach the last corner of the earth: Our lives for Peron! Let the enemies of the people, of Perón and the Fatherland come. I have never been afraid of them because I have always believed in the people. I have always believed in my beloved descamisados... I know that God is with us because he is with the humble and despises the arrogance of the oligarchy. This is why victory will be ours. We will achieve it sooner or later, whatever the cost, whoever may fall. The takeaways? I am you and you are me Together we fight the oligarchy God is on our side I will die for you Ergo… Steve Thomas

Jim, Do you know if the physical description of the "silent woman" provided by Mrs. Kittrell matches in any way with the description of the woman in the Furniture Mart encounter or the Alice, Texas encounter? Steve Thomas

James, There was a time in my life when I thought I would try and see if there was a correlation between Oswald's signature and those times when he was described as demonstrating, "erratic behavior and violence". I didn't get very far into that line of research before I got sidetracked onto other things. There are many examples of Oswald's signature on the web; for example, https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=%22Lee+Harvey+Oswald%22+signature&client=firefox-b-1-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdhpq-ubXpAhXQl-AKHdCACbwQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1314&bih=786 It's obvious that his signature varies substantially in several cases. For instance: (with a nod to Larry Rivera) https://merdist.com/wp/2018/07/10/the-many-faces-of-lee-oswalds-signature/ Mexico City signature: And the Albert Schweitzer College signature: I thought if I could correlate the instances of when those two different examples appeared, I would know which one of the two Oswald's I was dealing with. Like I said, I didn't get very far, but I still think it would be a very fruitful line of research. Steve Thomas

Paul, This might help you out a little: https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=PEPE There's a couple of documents there like this one: 104-10074-10390: CABLE - REQUEST AUTHORITY MOUNT OPERATION PEPE 12/15/61, cable from JMWAVE to Director, slugline JMZIP PEPE COMMO: "Request authority mount Operation PEPE. MRR/DRE...(destination) eastern tip Cayo Jutias...infiltrate five men 1000 pounds cargo. Exfiltrate four men... Infiltrees are Rafael Aureli Quintero Ibarbia aka Roberto Quesada Gonzales aka Jose M. Hernandez Valdes (AMJAVA-4); Juan Manuel Guillot Castellano aka Renato M. Lopez Zamoka aka Rubin Hernandez Ortega (AMBRONC-5); Manuel Salvat Roque (AMHINT-2); Julio Hernandez Rojo (AMHINT-40); John Koch Gene (AMHINT-26). Exfiltrees are Luis Comellas, Carmelo Gonzalez, Manolo Alzucaray, and Emilio Martinez. BARR will provide 1000 pounds weapons ammo..." 201 numbers listed include 201-306319 (AMHINT-26); 201-281270 (AMJAVA-4); 201-281397 (AMFOX-1); 201-286051 (AMHINT-2); 201-310721 (AMHINT-40); 201-281268 (based on process of elimination, maybe AMBRONC-5) Steve Thomas

On Tuesday, May 4th, Bill Simpich wrote: On 11/22/63 Lt. Col. Earl Boyd of the 112th spoke to DPD deputy chief Dolly Fisher and told him his men had heard that two men were doing target practice on Continental Avenue on Wed. night 11/20. Fisher knew nothing about it. From the Weisberg Archives: http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White Materials/JFK Assassination Photos Book/Pages 007-050.pdf Page 18 This is also outlined in CD 206 pp. 19-20 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10673#relPageId=24&tab=page I'm thinking that whoever compiled that list of the Commanders of Region II of the 112th got Boyd's name wrong. It wasn't Edgar S, it was Earl E. Steve Thomas

Bill, Cool. That's nice to know. Thanks Steve Thomas

Bill, Just going on memory, didn't the DPD say that they received a number of anonymous phone calls that Oswald was at the Theater? My suspicion is that a certain amount of those calls came from those IBM men. They disappeared from Brewer's store, never came forward, and were never seen again. That "IBM list of calls" would settle once and for all if Tippit got a call from Dispatch to "remain at large" for any emergency that might come in. Steve Thomas

Bill, I thought this part of the FBI memo was interesting: That's the first time I've ever heard of an "IBM listing of radio calls". I wonder where that list is, and how is IBM involved. Steve Thomas

David, I wonder who Leo Oswald was. Steve Thomas

Bart, I wonder if the Edgar S. Boyd, former Commander of the 112th was related to Elmer L. Boyd of the Dallas PD. This is from the first document in the pdf's you provided: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ddlGVngkyakzpaO4hmqMreuINx2zGC8i\ Commanders of Region II, Dallas: Steve Thomas

Jim, I was thinking the other night. What would you think of the idea that a member of the Electoral College could not be a member of a political party? That way, they would not be beholden to anybody. Steve Thomas

I would like to nominate Donald Trump for the Noble Piece Prize. Steve Thomas

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I got to thinking that it was around this time that the FBI was tasked with breaking up the Cuban exile camps and foiling their attempts to conduct raids on Cuba from U.S. soil. Coincidence? Steve Thomas

Doug, I don't remember if this was suggested in the article, or I read it somewhere else, but what if it wasn't Oswald who was seen going in and out of the house on Harlandale, but rather, it was John Thomas Masen. As far as I know, the only witness who said it was Oswald, was Walthers' mother-in-law, and she told Walthers that it was Oswald after seeing him on TV. It would make a lot of sense if was Masen she saw. http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=2&tab=page (see page 3) ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth sets up a sting operation involving John Thomas Masen. Masen gets some of his guns from thefts from National Guard armories. Manuel Rodriguez and George Parrel have approached Masen about buying arms. Masen has told Ellsworth that Rodriguez and Parrel hadve tried to buy bazookas, machine guns, and other heavy equipment from him, had previously made purchases from him, and that they had a large cashe of arms in the Dallas area. Oswald has been seen entering and leaving a house at 1026 Harlendale St. in Dallas that Orcarberro is renting. Just as he is about to bust Masen, the FBI and local police swoop in and arrest Miller and Whitter on November 18, 1963. Ellsworth is forced to prematurely arrest Masen on November 20th. Could many of us have been wrong all these years? Steve Thomas

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/obituaries/2012/09/12/jack-revill-longtime-dallas-police-officer-and-acting-chief-dies-at-82/ Jack Revill, longtime Dallas police officer and acting chief, dies at 82 This is for Paul Brancato. Paul asked if Revill was in the Reserves:: "He joined the Dallas Police Department in 1951 as an assistant radio dispatcher and motorcycle patrolman. He was assigned to the narcotics bureau in 1953, where he was a detective and became commander of the unit. Mr. Revill was drafted and served in the Army in the late 1950s, Mrs. Revill said." If Revill was born in 1929, and wad drafted in the late 1950's. that would mean he was drafted in his late 20's - close to 30 years old. That seems to me to be like kind of late to be "drafted". Steve Thomas

I thought this was kind of interesting. What is not explained is why Revill and Frazier were sitting in an unmarked car in a black neighborhood sometime after midnight, and why a third un-named Detective was skulking around. The Pastor won his appeal. https://law.justia.com/cases/texas/court-of-criminal-appeals/1959/30540-3.html Brown v. State Annotate this Case 322 S.W.2d 626 (1959) J. Von BROWN, Appellant, v. STATE of Texas, Appellee. No. 30540. Court of Criminal Appeals of Texas. April 8, 1959. *627 Robert C. Benavides, W. J. Durham, Filemon Valdez, Dallas, for appellant. Henry Wade, Dist. Atty., James K. Allen, Ben Ellis, H. Dustin Fillmore, and Merle Flagg, Asst. Dist. Attys., Dallas, and Leon B. Douglas, State's Atty., Austin, for the State. WOODLEY, Judge. Appellant was convicted and assessed a term of five years in the penitentiary for assault with a prohibited weapon, the indictment alleging that while unlawfully carrying on and about his person a pistol he did, with said pistol, willfully commit an assault upon Jack Revill. The evidence from the State's standpoint was that Jack Revill and W. B. Frazier, Detectives of the Dallas Police Department, on September 3, 1958, were seated in an unmarked Ford automobile on a public street in a colored residential area in South Dallas shortly after midnight; that a third officer was in the area at their direction. A Cadillac automobile, being driven in reverse, approached and the two officers ducked their heads so they could not be seen and the Cadillac passed and stopped. Appellant suddenly appeared at the right door of the officers' car and pointing a pistol at Revill said "Get out of the car with your hands up or I'll kill you." Both Revill and Frazier complied with the order. Lt. Frazier showed appellant his badge and card identifying him as a police officer, as both he and Revill had stated, and appellant "reluctantly" re-holstered the pistol and then surrendered it to Lt. Frazier and was taken to jail. The court in his charge gave the usual definition of assault and battery and instructed the jury that the law provides that if any person shall willfully commit an assault or an assault and battery upon another with a pistol while the same is being carried unlawfully by the person committing the assault he shall be deemed guilty of an assault with a prohibited weapon and, upon conviction, shall be punished by fine not to exceed $200, or by imprisonment in jail not to exceed two years, or by confinement in the penitentiary for not more than five years. "Willfully" was defined as meaning that the act was committed voluntarily, intentionally and purposely as distinguished from an act done carelessly, thoughtlessly, heedlessly or inadvertently. This defined the word willfully as used in common parlance. Willfully when used in a penal statute means more. It means with evil intent *628 or legal malice, or without reasonable ground for believing the act to be lawful. Thomas v. State, 14 Tex.App. 200; Shubert v. State, 16 Tex.App. 645; Caldwell v. State, 55 Tex.Cr.R. 164, 115 S.W. 597, (malicious mischief); 45 Words and Phrases Willful 207. It includes evil intent and malice as well as set purpose and design. Mercardo v. State, 86 Tex.Cr.R. 559, 218 S.W. 491, 8 A.L.R. 1312. The charge instructed the jury that the State must prove to the jury's satisfaction that the pistol was being unlawfully carried by the defendant at the time of the assault and in that connection instructed the jury "that it is unlawful for any person to carry on or about his person any pistol." Applying the law so given, the court authorized a conviction upon findings by the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that appellant, with a pistol, "the same being a prohibited weapon, as above defined", willfully committed an assault upon Revill and that the pistol was then being unlawfully carried by appellant on or about his person. Except for the "unless you so find beyond a reasonable doubt you shall acquit * * *" the charge submitted no defense to the charge that the pistol was carried unlawfully or to the charge that the assault by pointing the pistol was willful. Appellant, a Negro minister, admitted that he pointed a pistol into the car and ordered the occupants to get out with their hands raised, but denied that he added "or I'll kill you." His testimony, supported in part by other evidence, was: He was the pastor of the Lighted Church of Prayer, which was located in the next block from the car in which he found Officers Revill and Frazier; that he conducted services on the night in question; that a number of threats had been made by unknown parties leaving K.K.K. cards under the door of the church, and the Community House directly across the street "got burned" in May, and the Board of Trustees of the church authorized him to buy a pistol. Appellant had in his possession some $5,000 which he was taking to the bank the next morning to pay a church debt. After services on the night in question appellant and Grady Anderson, who drove the church's Cadillac, remained for a while and appellant called the police who came and took into custody a man who was crawling behind a car in a private driveway. Appellant reported this man as "a prowler." When he first saw this man he was closing the door of the church's Cadillac parked at the church. The man appellant believed to be a prowler is a white man, as are Officers Revill and Frazier. The patrolmen who responded to appellant's call approached the "prowler" with their pistols drawn and handcuffed him and and took him away. Shortly thereafter, as he was preparing to leave the church with the $5,000, to go to his room at a hotel, appellant "saw a white fellow duck down "neath the hood" of the car a block away and "thought he was a companion to the prowler that I had just called the officers out on and they had carried away." Appellant testified that he then "went into the church and got the pistol out of the drawer" and got in the Cadillac. He told his driver, Anderson, "Let's go back there and see if that's not the companion of that prowler they just carried away." Anderson backed the Cadillac past the Ford car, which had no markings. Appellant testified that he could see no one in the Ford, "they was laying down on the seat"; that he got out after passing, opened the door of the Ford and pointing the pistol told them to get out of the car with their hands up. Appellant was not aware of the fact that the "prowler" was in fact an undercover officer who was in the vicinity under orders of Officers Revill and Frazier, or that the unmarked Ford automobile a block away *629 was an official car and the white man he saw "duck down "neath the hood" or his companion were officers. He testified that the "prowler" was "fooling with" the church's Cadillac parked at the church and was "pushing the door closed to the car"; that while waiting for the police to arrive in response to his call he saw the "prowler" go across the street and duck down in some bushes. Appellant pointed out the "prowler" who was stooped behind an automobile parked in a private driveway across the street from the church and the patrolmen took him away in handcuffs without advising or giving appellant any reason to believe that the man was an officer. Appellant testified that when he saw the man duck down `neath the hood of the Ford he went back into the church and got the pistol and went to investigate, to see if he was a companion of the "prowler." He was correct in his suspicion that the occupants of the car and the man he called the police to arrest were companions, but learned for the first time after he drew his pistol and ordered the occupants of the Ford to get out with their hands raised that these companions were not intent upon harming him or the church, or taking the $5,000, but were officers engaged in the performance of their duties in enforcing the law. Appellant objected and excepted to the charge and to the court's definition of the term willfully. The evidence set out above demonstrates that the court's failure to require a finding by the jury that, in pointing the pistol at Jack Revill and ordering him out of the car with his hands raised, appellant acted with evil intent or malice as well as with a set purpose and design, deprived appellant of his defense and hence of a fair and impartial trial. The judgment is reversed and the cause remanded. Steve Thomas

Hosty's interview with Edwin Steig is in CD 206 page 646. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672&relPageId=649 Kaiser spelled his name wrong. Steve Thomas

Jim, I was trying to nail this down for another reason. From: Road to Dallas, by David Kaiser.page 318 The "Stieg" in question is Edward Stieg. He is being interviewed by FBI Agent, Hosty. The DRE bank meeting took place at 8:00 at night in a room "over" the bank. Stieg said he had attended the "public" meeting. Edwin Walker also attended this meeting I think this picture is from the earlier meeting in the afternoon for Spanish speaking persons. Judging from the cars parked outside, I think this picture was taken at ground level. This picture may still be from an Alpha 66 meeting and not a DRE meeting. I just don't know. Sylvia Odio said that her sister Annie had attended a DRE meeting.I was trying to figure out if one of these two women was her sister. Steve Thomas

David, I think this came up in a discussion about whether this picture came from an Alpha 66 meeting or a DRE meeting. On December 21, 1963, Anna Silveira of the DRE told FBI Agent James O'connor in Miami, FL. that two meetings of the DRE had been held in Dallas, TX on October 13, 1963. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57746&search=%22bank_in+a+shopping+center+in+dallas%22#relPageId=24&tab=page One meeting for Spanish speaking people was held at 1:00 PM and was attended by about 70 people. A second meeting for English speaking people was held at 8:00 PM "in a conference room over a bank" and was attended by about 30 people. If you look out the windows of that picture, this appears to be at ground level in the middle of the day.. There seems to be more than 30 people, and to me, they appear to be Hispanic looking people. I would venture to say that this is the first meeting Anna Silveira talked about that took place at 1:00 PM. Steve Thomas