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4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Did Baker actually see Oswald in the lunch room, or just infer it?
"Mr. DULLES - Could I ask one question before you ask this question, and this is a bit of a leading question, and think carefully.
If Oswald had been coming down the stairs and going into the lunchroom would he have been following the course insofar as you saw a course, that he--that you saw him follow?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. The reason I say that, this hallway to the right.
Mr. BELIN - By the right you mean the hallway that goes to the-- this is--
Mr. BAKER - This is a hallway right here.
Mr. BELIN - It is a hallway that has the number 27 on it?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; from what I understand these are offices in there.
Mr. DULLES - Yes.
Mr. BAKER - And he had no business in there, and the lunchroom would be the only place that he would be going..."I've been racking my brains about the lunchroom for the last couple of days ever since Jim DiEugenio brought up the question of when the story of coke first appeared.
It seems to me that if you were trying to frame someone for JFK's murder, the last thing you would want to do is give him an alibi by placing him in the lunchroom within 90 seconds of the crime. And then when I read this exchange with Allen Dulles, it hit me. The effort was not to put Oswald in the lunchroom, it was to put him near the stairs. No one saw him commit the crime, (your only eyewitness failed to identify him in a lineup) or leaving the scene. No one saw him coming down the stairs, so the next best thing was to put him near them.
If Oswald had been coming down the stairs...
When Lumpkin and Truly went to tell Fritz at approximately 1:30 that Oswald was missing, did they tell Fritz that Truly had run into Oswald in the lunchroom? Not to my knowledge.
When Johnson took Baker's affidavit, did he go to Fritz and say, "Hey Captain, you know that guy you've got in the interrogation room; well I've got an officer out here who said he ran into that guy in the lunchroom 90 seconds after the shooting? Not to my knowledge.
Steve Thomas
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"I stumbled on this by accident". Dude# 1
I happened to run across this by accident looking for something else, and thought I'd just pass this along. I know how hard it is to find this online anymore, so I thought I'd pass this along. I am not endorsing or recommending this work, just passing it along. And I can't say that this is the complete text. Vol 2 just seems to stop abruptly. (If nothing else, It's got some good pictures).
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7 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m1.htm
Mr. BELIN - What did you do after you graduated from high school?
Mr. BAKER - I think I got married.(At this point, the Chief Justice left the hearing room.)
Steve Thomas
Did Baker actually see Oswald in the lunch room, or just infer it?
"Mr. DULLES - Could I ask one question before you ask this question, and this is a bit of a leading question, and think carefully.
If Oswald had been coming down the stairs and going into the lunchroom would he have been following the course insofar as you saw a course, that he--that you saw him follow?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. The reason I say that, this hallway to the right.
Mr. BELIN - By the right you mean the hallway that goes to the-- this is--
Mr. BAKER - This is a hallway right here.
Mr. BELIN - It is a hallway that has the number 27 on it?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; from what I understand these are offices in there.
Mr. DULLES - Yes.
Mr. BAKER - And he had no business in there..."And Baker would know this how, exactly?
Mr. BAKER - And he had no business in there., and the lunchroom would be the only place that he would be going..."
Oh, that's right. I forgot. After high school graduation, things got a little hazy.
Steve Thomas
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2 minutes ago, Cory Santos said:
So the white elephant in the room, has anyone tried to use facial recognition software to line up the photos with the guy next to umbrella man?
Hmm?????
Cory,
Along the same lines, I once read that photos of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro don't exist. I tried looking up his name in that list both ways, but I didn't find him.
(At this point in my life, I think that's who DCM is)
Dude# 1
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All I can say is, give the guy a break.
It was a rough night.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m1.htm
Mr. BELIN - What did you do after you graduated from high school?
Mr. BAKER - I think I got married.(At this point, the Chief Justice left the hearing room.)
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, David Josephs said:
(There is not a single report authored by Lumpkin in the Dallas Archives Index... ???)
David,
The best that I've been able to come up with is a combined Report filed by the Assistant Chief, Charles Batchelor and Deputy Chiefs, M.W. Stevenson and Charles Lumpkin in Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10 here:
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm
It's kind of sad, really. So much history was lost by not getting them to fill out their own individual reports.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Glenn Nall said:
Not sure how many of you are aware of this pretty neat website - https://flashbackdallas.com/ - I came across it a while back somehow, and registered for Paula Bosse's periodic (daily/weekly?) newsletters which turn out to be historically quite interesting, to be sure.
It seems Paula works very hard on this project - it's NOT JFK Assassin. related, BUT things pop up, and one never knows when or where "something" might pop up. I found some great history on the TSBD from this website (likely how I came across the Flashback Dallas, in fact...)
For example: today's newsletter: The Adolphus by Moonlight
https://flashbackdallas.com/2018/01/03/the-adolphus-by-moonlight/
Just thought I'd share this link - as I said, this girl works really hard and produces some terrific old shots (i.e. photos of the local Dallas news crew vehicles from I think 1963 WITH replies from older Dallas residents...) and info from Dallas.
Ya'll enjoy (if you haven't already
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glenn
Thanks Glenn.
That's pretty neat.
If you do a search on her page for the 1960's, you can see some stills from a short clip of Jack Ruby combing his hair in front of the Green Department Store in downtown Dallas.
https://flashbackdallas.com/category/1960s/
She also talks about ads for Minox cameras on sale for $75.00 as early as 1960.
Thanks again.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Bill Simpich said:Ready for some double agent intrigue?Involving Pino Pino, the Veciana family, and Castro's G-2 intelligence service?
Bill,
How about some other double agent stuff...
Question: How many other of these crop duster pilots defected to the U.S. ?
If anyone has any information on other crop dusters, I would appreciate hearing about it.
In the Senate Select Committee files, aka the Church Committee Boxed Files, there is a document numbered 157-10014-10120, dated 1/19/76 from Paul Wallach, entitled “Oswald in New Orleans”.
On page 92 of this document, there is a memo from Dan Dwyer to The Files dated 9/23/75. In this memo, Dwyer describes looking at the Department of Justice Anti-Castro files from the late 1950’s to the early 1970’s.https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1462&search=157-10014-10120#relPageId=92&tab=page
One of the files that Dwyer examined is dated 1/22/60, entitled Anti-Fidel Castro Activities. The summary of this file reads,
“January 12, 1960, Raul Cross, pilot for Arbana Airlines. The Cuban Government was having thirty pilots trained in Mexico, (using cover that they were being trained as crop dusters). They were using instructors from Chile at $700/month.”
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=1462&relPageId=96
Warren CD# 1085 is a letter from the Director of the FBI to Jay Lee Rankin dated June 11, 1964 with attached memos and reports.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11481&relPageId=3See here for a list of various reports from Wallace Heitman:
http://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=HEITMAN%20june%2025,%201964
One of the Reports included is a memo from Dallas SA Wallace Heitman dated April 29, 1964. This Report discusses the residents of an address in Garland, Texas and the sighting of a Rambler station wagon parked in front with a bumper sticker that says, “Kill the Kennedy Klan.”On page 6 of his memo, Heitman says this his source told him that the two unnamed subjects of the memo had been employed by him (the source) for approximately one year. He said they were Cuban citizens and who were trained as duster pilots in Mexico for the Cuban Government and later defected from the Fidel Castro Government and came to the United States.
While Heitman’s memo is heavily redacted, other research has revealed the two residents of 806 E. Monica in Garland, TX were Raul Castro and Juan Quintana.
Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro had revealed that Raul Castro and Juan Quintana were members of Alpha-66 and the SNFE.The two subjects were known to be violently anti-Castro and had attended the speech by Adlai Stevenson in Dallas when he got bonked on the head by a picket sign.
One of the two subjects of this memo entered the U.S. illegally by swimming across the Rio Grande at Lightner’s Pump (sp?) about five miles east of Brownsville, TX. He crossed with his friend who was apprehended. Records of the INS revealed to Heitman that the subject had left Cuba in blank, 1960 and went to Mexico, which he left on December 26, 1960.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11481&relPageId=215page 6
Wallace Heitman and W. James Woods interviewed Raoul Castro on May 14, 1964. Their Report is dated May 22, 1964. Castro told them that he had entered Aviation Cadet School in Cuba in June, 1959, where he met Juan Francisco Quintana Maya. They were sent to Mexico, where they spent seven months. They returned to Cuba in May, 1960, spent twenty days there, and were sent back to Mexico for “link training, and to finish their course in crop dusting”. ( I don't know what “link training” is). Castro told them that it was obvious that the training they were receiving was military in nature.
Castro told the Agents that he owned the Rambler Station Wagon that had the bumper sticker (Kan the Kennedy Klan - which someone changed to "Kill" the Kennedy Klan - although Cast told the Agents that the bumper sticker was more benign than that).
The wives of both subjects of Heitman’s memo were Mexican sisters.
The INS files reveal that the subject stated that many of the students attending the two airline schools he attended were Communists and Fidel Castro supporters. He named several students (redacted) studying to be air traffic control operators were known Communists.
Just some food for thought: What if Raul Castro and Juan Quintana were double agents, sent to Mexico to ostensibly to train as crop dusters and then told to defect to the U.S. and infiltrate the anti-Castro Cuban exile community?Steve Thomas
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3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
In light of related discussion on Jim DiEugenio's recent coke thread and a old one on Roy Truly I bumped...
NOT on 11/22/63. Why,why,why would Baker fail to mention this first encounter of a possible suspect in his first day affidavit which no one had a chance to influence his remembrance of events on.
And why didn't Truly, when telling Lumpkin and Fritz that Oswald was missing, also tell them about having encountered Oswald in the second floor lunchroom only moments after the shooting?
Steve Thomas
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I have not nailed this down. At this point, this is just speculation, but...
I figured that most of the Cuban exiles held full-time jobs. If you're going to have a picnic with families, it would probably be on a weekend.
In 1976, Sylvia Odio told Gaeton Fonzi:
“Also, there had been a big rally in a park on a liberation day (she didn't remember which day) and she delivered the invocation. That was covered by the newspapers and the television stations and she said the FBI later told her that it thought that Oswald could have been there mingling with the Cubans.”
CE 2390 (25H370)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141#relPageId=400&tab=page
FBI Agent Wallace Heitman interview of Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino July 8, 1964
resides at 719 N. Bishop St. in Dallas and is employed at El Chico Restaurant warehouse. Pino state that he is a member of SNFE. “He said that he remembers that a general reunion of various Cuban refugees had been held several months ago at a picnic grounds near White Rock Lake, and that a woman by the name of Odio had made a short speech at the reunion.”
Sylvia Odio vs. Liebeler & the La Fontaines
Written by James DiEugenio
Tuesday, 15 October 1996 23:18
“Gaeton Fonzi's interview with Silvia Odio for the Church Committee, reproduced here...”
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/sylvia-odio-vs-liebeler-the-la-fontaines
REPRODUCED AT THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES
RELEASED PER P. L. 102-526 (JFK ACT) 5-2-96
Notes – Silvia Odio interviewed 1/16/76
The two big holidays in Cuba are January 1 (when Castro came to power, and July 26)
25-27 July - National Rebelliousness Days
http://www.whatcuba.com/cuban-festivals.html
3 Days celebrating the beginning of the Cuban Revolution when Castro led a group to attack the Moncada barracks in Santiago de Cuba, during the carnival. The attack took place on 26 July but the day before and after have also been proclaimed as Cuban festivals. The dates still coincide with carnival and festivities are seen taking place throughout the country.Sylvia wasn't living in Dallas in January, so this “liberation day” she mentions might be July 26, although I can't imagine a bunch of anti-Castro Cubans getting together to commemorate a Castro holiday.
Weisberg interview of the Castorr's:
W: You may not, but that's all right. What we have here are pictures collected of people we don't know too much about. These are some stills taken from the television films taken of the in White Rock Park. in the summer July 1963 I believe.
ITS Mrs. C: September, I believe.
Mr. W: Was that it._
W: Do you remember when that picnic was?
Mrs. C: Well, it was about mid-September of '63.
And, I got to wondering, what a KBOX radio truck would be doing at White Rock Lake on September 7, 1963.
September 08, 1963 - Page 6
Alice Daily Echo Newspaper Archives
https://newspaperarchive.com/alice-daily-echo-sep-08-1963-p-6/
Bv THE ASSOCIATED PRESS “Gusts of powerful winds struck in the Dallas area Saturday as a surprise rainstorm whipped into the roof of one residence and damaged another in Mesquite, a suburb just east of Dallas. State Police said no injuries resulted. The wind blew a wooden block through the windshield of a mobile news unit of Radio KBOX of Dallas while it was near White Rock Lake inside the Dallas city limits. On Dallas' North Central Expressway, the blast blew in the side of a service station. Tarpaulins protecting building construction work in downtown Dallas were whipped to shreds. The storm occurred during unexpected rain activity in Dallas and other parts of North Central and Northeast Texas. The rest of the state was unusually hot and nearly all places were dry.”
September 7, 1963 was a Saturday. The temperature was 102 degrees.
Posted by Andrej Stancak in the Education Forum 02/10/17
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23465-wynne-and-vicki-southland-center-1963/
“I would like to turn the attention of Forum members to a remarkable testimony of Mr. Wynne Johnson. Wynne was 15 years old in 1963, and had a girlfriend Vicki. Vicki and Wynne liked to visit the roof of the Southland Center to view the scenery of Dallas. And so they did on September 7, 1963... Wynne and Vicki were approaching the Southland Center when a taxi cab passed and a young man, Lee Harvey Oswald, stepped out. Oswald entered the main lobby, met with Phillips and both men started to talk. Shortly, Veciana came in via a different entrance. And while the three men stood together in the lobby, Wynne and Vicki also entered a long corridor and headed towards the three men.”
Bill Kelly in JFKContercoup
http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2017/08/castro-and-oswald-september-7-1963.html
Saturday September 7, 1963
That just happens to be the day Alpha 66 founder Antonio Veciana met with David Atlee Phillips and Lee Harvey Oswald at the Southland Center in Dallas, as well as the day Manuel Rodriguez arrived in Dallas to set up a branch of Alpha 66 and leased the safe house on Harlandale Avenue in Oak Cliff.(I believe this is wrong about Rodriguez)
In a May 26, 1964 report filed by Wallace Heitman it showed the address of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro to be 2311 Nicholson St. Appt. D in Dallas.
CD 1085 page 220.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=220&tab=page
Rodriguez had previously been interviewed on February 10, and May 20, 1964.
“Rodriguez registered as an alien of Dallas, Texas on September 6, 1963, at which time his address was reflected as 1208 Hudspeth Street. His last prior address was 5310 Columbia Street, Dallas.”
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=219&tab=page
Heitman had previously interviewed Orcarberro on February 10, 1964.
Informant T-1 had told Heitman that Orcarberro had lived at 5310 Columbia in Dallas.
According to Heitman, Rodririguez said he registered as an alien of Dallas, TX on September 6, 1963, at which time his address was reflected as 1208 Hudspeth St. His last prior address was listed as 5310 Columbia St., Dallas.
According to Sylvia Odio, it was the FBI who told her that Oswald was thought to have been seen at this picnic.
Steve Thomas
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51 minutes ago, Gary Murr said:
Hi Steve:
In addition, see the two MF links below; they tie in with your "Cubans sorted by names" but importantly also contain fairly decent mug shots of everyone on these listings.
FWIW
Gary
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=77012&relPageId=2&search="Cuban_mugbook Vol II"
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=77013&relPageId=2&search="Cuban_mugbook Vol III"
Thanks Gary,
Guess I didn't go far enough did I?
Steve Thomas
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19 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
David,
Have you ever seen a picture of Salvat? Mrs. Castorr talks about a heavy set guy who couldn't speak English and might have looked like Howard.
I got to wondering if it was Pinollas and Salvat that came to visit Odio.
Steve Thomas
Here's a 1962 picture of Juan Manuel Salvat in an April 12, 2001 Miami New Times article by Jefferson Morley.
See p. 5 of this pdf file
To me, he doesn't look like the sort of person Sylvia Odio or Mrs. Castorr describe.
Steve Thomas
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I happened to stumble on this by accident. It looks to be a CIA list of Cuban names sorted by patronymic name and matronymic name.
Some of the names also provide a short physical description.
I thought it might be helpful to researchers looking for somebody under both names.
HSCA Segregated CIA Collection Box 33
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=77011&search=Pinillos#relPageId=63&tab=page
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
David,
Have you ever seen a picture of Salvat?
Steve Thomas
Here's a video interview of Salvat. It's in Spanish. He's an older man now, but it kind of gives you an idea of what he looked like.
When you go to the web page, you have to hit page 2, or the Next button to bring up the actual video.
http://merrick.library.miami.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/chc5212/id/733/rec/2
Steve Thomas
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7 minutes ago, David Boylan said:
Steve,
I believe Salvat spoke English. From Mary Ferrell's site.
Fabian Escalante states in JFK: The Cuban Files, p. 177: "In October (1963), further information placed Salvat and Joaquin Martinez Pinillos with Fermin de Goicoechea in Dallas, in the company of arms smuggler John Thomas Masen, from whom they proposed to acquire weapons of all kinds, presumably stolen from the military depot at Fort Hood, for 'a second invasion of Cuba to take place at the end of the year.'...immediately after the assassination, Salvat and his group engaged in a wide-ranging media campaign charging Cuba with the crisis me, circulating Oswald's pro-communist and pro-Castro background, and arguing that the assassination was Cuba's reprisal for CIA attempts on the life of Fidel Castro."
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=23849&relPageId=4 AMHINT2 (Salvat) meeting with David Morales aka Stanley Zamka.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=42232&relPageId=3 Richard Cain being recruited by Salvat.
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=AMHINT-2 Some good docs...
David,
What did you think of that second document where Salvat supposedly said that the DRE was being sponsored by the Pentagon, and not the CIA?
That one kind of threw me. What about the whole Joannides thing?
Steve Thomas
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5 hours ago, David Boylan said:
Harold was not very complementary of Hosty. :-) I noticed Gen Walker gave, what, $5 to DRE at the meeting.
I'm thinking Weisberg's friends were the Castorrs. I read one of his letters where he was not pleased that Dick Russell wrote about them in The Man Who Knew Too Much.
Great thread.
David,
I too think the Castorr's were the friends Weisberg refers too.
I need to straighten out the times. The picnic and Sylvia's visit from the three guys was September.
These DRE guys were saying the "meeting" where Steig saw Oswald and Walker gave the $5 was mid-October.
Did Salvat stay in Dallas that long.? Pinolloas told O'Connor that he and Siveira spoke the English at the meetings. I got the feeling that the other guy couldn't speak English. Could Salvat speak English?
Have you ever seen a picture of Salvat? Mrs. Castorr talks about a heavy set guy who couldn't speak English and might have looked like Howard.
I got to wondering if it was Pinollas and Salvat that came to visit Odio.
Steve Thomas
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http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/D Disk/DRE/Item 01.pdf
Ana Silveira provides a list of people in attendance at the October 13, 1963 meeting. (although this is a typewritten list, and not the original)
Weisberg wants to know more about this meeting.
“The man who arranged the meetings, Dean Perkins was close to my friends”.
Steve Thomas
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20 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
David,
Manuel Salvat came to Dallas from Miami in (Sept?, Oct?), 1963 to kickstart the DRE.
He was accompanied by two people: Joaquin Pincillas, and a woman named Anita (LNU).
Steve Thomas
David,
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/D Disk/DRE/Item 01.pdf
p. 10 of that pdf file
Miami FBI Agent James O'Connor interview of Joaquin Martinez de Pinillos 12/23/63:
Pinillos (age 22) stated that he, Ana Silveira, and Muel Salvat had traveled from Miami to Dallas in October, 1963..." for the purpose of holding public meetings to inform them about the DRE.
"Mr. Pinollos stated that Dean Perkins, 11022 Genetta Dr. Dallas, Texas assisted the DRE in organizing the meetings and arranging the publicity attached to the meetings".
Steve Thomas
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17 hours ago, David Boylan said:
Steve,
Some questions:
Who was the very attractive female from Miami, supposedly representing DRE, that was in the company of Hall and Howard?
David,
Wallace Heitman interview of Felix Guillermo Othon Pacho Septmber8, 1964
CE 2390 (25H) 371
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141#relPageId=401&tab=page
Manuel Salvat came to Dallas from Miami in (Sept?, Oct?), 1963 to kickstart the DRE.
He was accompanied by two people: Joaquin Pincillas, and a woman named Anita (LNU).
Steve Thomas
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17 hours ago, David Boylan said:
Steve,
Some questions:
Who was Dean Perkins? He was on stage with John Martino Oct 1 in Dallas.
David,
See this thread in the Education Forum:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/8538-a-dean-perkins/
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Just now, Steve Thomas said:
David,
II'm afraid don't know anything about him at all.
Look at p. 2 of this pdf file:
There's a couple of clues you can pick up.
Sorry,
I forgot to include the pdf. It's http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/C%20Disk/Castorr%20L%20Robert%20Colonel/Item%2023.pdf
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, David Boylan said:
Steve,
Some questions:
Who was Dean Perkins? He was on stage with John Martino Oct 1 in Dallas.
Who was the very attractive female from Miami, supposedly representing DRE, that was in the company of Hall and Howard?
Ed Twilly?
Was Forray Kiki Ferrer? Weisberg seemed to note this in the margin. Mrs. Castorr -"Yes. A man by the name of Forray. You see, subsequently, Joanna Rodgers told me that she and her husband were on a cruise and they met this Mr. Forray and he asked if Joanna would do him a personal favor and that was to look after this girl -- Sylvia (Odio)."
Weisberg's theory page 29 -
W: The rest of the Moran (Loran) Hall story is (what they told Sylvia Odeo) was that they were going to get this man, Oswald, into Cuba to knock Castro off. I don't believe that but what I do believe (you'd never hire Oswald to kill anybody or you'd never trust him to do it on his own--he wasn't mechanically capable of pulling it off) what could have happened, though, would have been a competent man who looked like Oswald could have used Oswald's papers and it's my belief that when Oswald failed to get the visa, he lost all utility and could serve no purpose to the people he was associated with and I think this is why they framed him.
David,
II'm afraid don't know anything about him at all.
Look at p. 2 of this pdf file:
There's a couple of clues you can pick up.
Are Ernie Lazar's databases searchable? - or the FBI's Subject Files. I'll bet you'll find out Perkins was big in the John Birch Society.
PS: Did you read up about the pillow incident on p. 9 of that file? Now that's an interesting idea.
McHann knew something and it tortured him for the rest of his life.
I think Weisberg has a pretty good theory on p. 29
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Lance Payette said:
I got some further clarification on Skype this morning: the word translated as "locksmith" does not mean "locksmith" per se. It is closer to "worker who repairs mechanical things" (as distinguished from a "worker who makes new mechanical things"). What is being translated as "experimental shop" would be the part of the factory where they make sure that new equipment and devices are operating properly before they are put out on the floor of the factory. So it's more like "checking" than "experimenting." Apparently this shop also made repairs. My wife's sister said that the "secret" part of the factory (where she worked as a technical illustrator) had more to do with the space program than the military at that time; it was very compartmentalized, and she had no idea what the things she was drawing were called or used for. She said the overriding memory of Oswald for those who worked with him (which she didn't) was how openly, blatantly lazy he was - to the degree of just propping himself up in a corner and going to sleep. It was very offensive to co-workers who actually had to earn their rubles. There was some saying to the effect that not only was he not a typical American, he wasn't even a typical human.
Lance,
"What is being translated as "experimental shop" would be the part of the factory where they make sure that new equipment and devices are operating properly before they are put out on the floor of the factory. So it's more like "checking" than "experimenting." "
Which would have fit right into his job title of "Regulator".
The lazy Oswald... hmmm. That kind of fits with the impressions his supervisors at Reilly Coffee and Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall seemed to have had of him.
It sounds like the Soviets seemed to have planted him somewhere where they could keep an eye on him, but wasn't expected to really do anything.
The insights your sister-in-law is able to provide are really helpful.
Steve Thomas
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10 hours ago, Lance Payette said:
FWIW, my wife and her sister said that "maintenance mechanic" would be a better translation than "locksmith" (not that LHO was what I typically think of as a maintenance mechanic either, but there you go). The sister said that "experimental shop" would actually be the "pilot shop" and that this was the machine shop that made parts and tools for the factory, as opposed to working on the actual production of TVs and radios.
Lance,
Thank you, and your wife and sister-in-law.
That translation makes a whole lot more sense.
Making the parts and tools for the machines sounds about right too, because he talks about reading blueprints in his Collective. I wondered about that at the time.
"Work here is given out in the form of blueprints and drawings by the foreman Zemof and Jr. foreman Lavcook..."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/thecollective.htm
Thanks again.
Steve Thomas
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Cubans sorted by name
in JFK Assassination Debate
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David,
Here's my reasoning, if you're interested.
In 2014, Richard Douglas posted a series of photos of the Dark Complected Man in the jfkassassinationforum here:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=da10693a75f6fceb0ce372badd010bff&topic=11687.0
He heads west towards the underpass, and then turns around and heads back east towards Houston St.
Would you say that this man is 5'11", 158 lbs, has brown hair, wears dark glasses, and has a dark complexion?
The physical description provided above is not that of the Dark Complected Man, but of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro.
See 5/26/64 FBI Report of SA Wallace Heitman, page 5
http://www.maryferre...p;relPageId=223
WC Testimony of Roger Craig:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/craig.htm
Mr. BELIN - What about the man who was driving the car?
Mr. CRAIG - Now, he struck me, at first, as being a colored male. He was very dark complected, had real dark short hair, and was wearing a thin white-looking Jacket---uh, it looked like the short windbreaker type, you know, because it was real thin and had the collar that came out over the shoulder (indicating with hands) like that--just a short jacket.
Raul Castro Baile, one of the Officers of the Dallas Chapter of SNFE/Alpha 66 owned a Rambler. It had a bumper sticker on it that read, “Kan the Kennedy Klan” that he picked up at a John Birch Society meeting. Somebody had altered it to read, “Kill the Kennedy Klan”, and after the assassination Juan Quintana was observed trying to remove it.
Steve Thomas