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Does anyone happen to know what FLAGPLOT is?
I was looking through some documents relating to Oswald's "defection" to the USSR and in addition to the memos being shared with INS, the CIA, and the FBI, etc., the memos were also shared with something called FLAPLOT.
see here at the bottom:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=129&tab=page
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7 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:
What are you saying that Bledsoe was full of crap. . . . . again?
Jim,
She was full of crap.
I was reading through her WC testimony, and started to count the number of times she said, "I didn't pay any attention"
I gave up.
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Mary Bledsoe talking about LHO in her WC testimony:
Mr. BALL - Stayed in his room?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - All the time, and stayed there that night, too.
Mr. BALL - All the time? What about Wednesday?Mrs. BLEDSOE - He left about 9 o'clock, and went off dressed. Had a white shirt and white tie and white---white trousers, and looked very nice.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bledsoe.htm
I don't know why, but that struck me as odd. Would you go out on job interviews dressed like that?
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There's another copy of the book here:
https://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Harvey_And_Lee.pdf
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26 minutes ago, Mathias Baumann said:
Does anyone know where I can find a copy of Maurice Phillips's book De Dallas à Montreal? He had a link to the PDF on his website but unfortunately it's no longer working. Any help would be appreciated.
Mathias,
You can get it on Amazon here:
https://www.amazon.com/Dallas-à-Montréal-montréalaise-lassassinat/dp/2761913108
'Course it's $300
Looks like you can get a copy from Abe Books in the U.K. for 32 pounds (about $42)
There are a couple of Libraries that have a copy, but I don't know of you can borrow a copy through Interlibrary Loan (e.g. Duke University)
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9 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
PS: Whoever IJDECANTER was, his identity had to be protected at all costs.
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IJDECANTER was a fake cryptonym assigned to protect was his real cryptonym was.
Talk about a house of mirrors.
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44 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:
" In the 1978-79 period, the ban on the destruction of Angleton's Files ... was lifted, and a number of files were destroyed."
Not informed at all on these reports, but this particular entry reminds us again of the reality of decades of constant destruction of what one must assume are large amounts of high level JFK related files which brings forth the same sad truth question: " Do we really expect any serious deep truth revealing from any new releases from those that held these...ever?
How can there be when we have been told that so much has been destroyed?
David A and David B, *smile*,
Yeah, GPFLOOR was the Cryptonym assigned to LHO in its post JFK assassination investigation
GPIDEAL was the cryptonym assigned to JFK
Joe, I'd like to know who lifted the ban on destruction of Angleton's files.
PS: Whoever IJDECANTER was, his identity had to be protected at all costs.
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Would anyone look at these two documents and give me your impressions?
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10331-10180.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10336-10034.pdf
Who was IJDECANTER? and can you tell me what the CIA cryptogram CI/EXO or CIC/EXO stands for?
Thanks,
Steve Thomas
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A woman in Northhampton, England has asked that Sleeping Beauty be removed from her son's reading curriculum in that it promotes inappropriate sexual behavior by featuring a man kissing a woman who is asleep without her consent.
Rapunzel was seen conferring with her lawyers, who have notified the prince's lawyers that they will no longer be sharing information.
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30 minutes ago, Ray Mitcham said:
If you remove the title of the book from the log in address you will see a list of other great assassination books and PDFs available.
Thanks Ray, That's terrific.
Steve Thomas
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3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Peter Dale Scott before the ARRB: October 11, 1994.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145535&search=105-2137#relPageId=36&tab=page
p. 36.
“I hope you will pursue that original file. I predict that it will lead to some third agency which has been protected in here...”
According to both Chief Curry (4H181) and Captain Will Fritz,(4H248) the Dallas Police did not have Lee Harvey Oswald in their police files. Moreover, they had never even heard of him.
According to Will Fritz; someone, whose name he could not remember gave him Oswald's Beckley address before he even began interrogating Oswald at 2:20 PM:
(4H207)At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley.
Detective B.L. Senkel wrote in his after action report (Dallas Police Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item#1) that they were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley at 2:40 PM and arrived at 3:00PM.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm
Earlene Roberts told the WC that when the police arrived at 1026 N. Beckley, they asked for a Harvey Lee Oswald.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
Mr. BALL. And the police officers came out there?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what they said?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was Will Fritz' men---it was plainclothesmen and I was at the back doing something and Mr. Johnson answered the door and they identified themselves and then he called me.
Mr. BALL. What did they say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.Senkel, who rode in the Pilot Car with Army Reserve Officers George Lumpkin and George Whitmeyer, who was dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley, and when arriving asked for Harvey Lee Oswald.
If (according to Curry and Fritz) the Dallas Police did not have Lee Harvey Oswald in their files, and had never heard of him, how did an "unknown" policeman know that he lived on Beckley? Was this "unknown" policeman's source of information coming from somewhere outside of police files, and was this "unknown" policeman Detective Billy Senkel?
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On 11/14/2017 at 4:04 PM, Steve Thomas said:
David,
I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know.
Final Report of the Assassinations Records Review Board September 30, 1998
Chapter 6 Part 1: The Quest for Additional Information and Records in Federal Government Offices
p. 83
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=3611&relPageId=106&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
“The Review Board also sought to determine whether the FBI maintained a file in Mexico City on a “Harvey Lee Oswald” under the file number 105-2137.... Some of the documents in the (Mexico Ciity Legal Attache) Legat's file contain notations for routing records to a file numbered 105-2137, and were captioned “Harvey Lee Oswald”, but it did not find such a file.”
Peter Dale Scott before the ARRB: October 11, 1994.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145535&search=105-2137#relPageId=36&tab=page
p. 36.
“I want to suggest to you that the FBI may have been tracking all of this in a file which I am quite sure has never been seen by the Warren Commission, never been seen by the House Committee, and never certainly by me or by the Archives today. I have found a reference to it in a cover sheet which I am going to leave with you. It is Mexico City File 105-2137, which is then struck out and replaced with a different file number with a different name, Lee Harvey Oswald. I hope you will pursue that original file. I predict that it will lead to some third agency which has been protected in here...”
The "all of this" Scott refers to is the Mexico City affair.
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I stumbled on this by accident.
You can find a complete copy of Accessories After the Fact by Sylvia Meagher here:
https://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Accessories_After_The_Fact.pdf
This is a Vintage Books June, 1992 edition with a 1975 Preface by Senator Richard Schweiker, and an 1975 Introduction by Peter Dale Scott.
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On 11/14/2017 at 1:53 PM, David Josephs said:
The next page asks -
"Other Citizenship" and he replies "NONE"... ?? and "Worked at a Radio plant as Assembler"
Are you thinking that they're talking about 2 different people?
Final Report of the Assassinations Records Review Board September 30, 1998
Chapter 6 Part 1: The Quest for Additional Information and Records in Federal Government Offices
p. 83
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=3611&relPageId=106&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
“The Review Board also sought to determine whether the FBI maintained a file in Mexico City on a “Harvey Lee Oswald” under the file number 105-2137.... Some of the documents in the (Mexico Ciity Legal Attache) Legat's file contain notations for routing records to a file numbered 105-2137, and were captioned “Harvey Lee Oswald”, but it did not find such a file.”
Peter Dale Scott before the ARRB: October 11, 1994.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145535&search=105-2137#relPageId=36&tab=page
p. 36.
“I want to suggest to you that the FBI may have been tracking all of this in a file which I am quite sure has never been seen by the Warren Commission, never been seen by the House Committee, and never certainly by me or by the Archives today. I have found a reference to it in a cover sheet which I am going to leave with you. It is Mexico City File 105-2137, which is then struck out and replaced with a different file number with a different name, Lee Harvey Oswald. I hope you will pursue that original file. I predict that it will lead to some third agency which has been protected in here...”
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13 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
That is interesting on that FBI report. DeBrueys key informants are an employee of WDSU and Jesse Core, a good friend of Clay Shaw who alerted Shaw and the FBI about the 544 Camp Street address on an Oswald flyer.
Is this part of the lost period that John Newman talks about in his book, where the FBI says it could not locate Oswald?
Jim,
I don't know what period of time John Newman talks about in his book, but there is a two week period between October 19 and November 2nd, 1962 when Oswald went "missing". Nobody knew where he was living. Not his friends, not his wife, not his co-workers, nor any government agency (that we're aware of). This was at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when Oswald was working at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.
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On 11/17/2017 at 3:36 PM, David Josephs said:
STRINGFELLOW... who would have guessed...
The man who officially stated Oswald was arrested in the balcony of the theater; wasn't he attached somehow to 112th... as an informant as well?
Thanks Bart....
David,
I don't know that I would attach too much importance to Stringfellow listed as an FBI informant. Sheriff Decker is also listed two lines down.
I would like to keep Stringfellow's informant ID# in the back of my mind though - T-23. I'd like to see if that pops up anywhere else along the way.
(Although this may just be a one-time assignment of number for this particular report by Barrett).
As for the 112th, see this 112th Region II (Dallas) Spot Report by the 112th on the afternoon of November 22nd:
112th IINTELLIGENCE CORPS GROUP
SPOT REPORT (REGION II)
A lot of bad information in those Spot Reports. Is Stringfellow getting a lot of things wrong? Is the person reporting what Stringfellow is saying getting it wrong? Is Stringfellow deliberately lying?
See: Army Surveillance of Civilians
https://bkofsecrets.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/armyciviliansurveillance.pdf
Stringfellow and Biggio were working the police radio at the Fairgrounds on 11/22/63
(This is a separate and somewhat murky channel of communication going on. Peter Dale Scott spent some time looking at the communications setup at the Fairgrounds in his Continuity of Government analysis)
“Army Apparently didn't tell Commission of Oswald's Alias”
Dallas Morning News March 19, 1978
in the Weisberg Collection
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12 hours ago, Mark Wengler said:
Has any new documents been released on Osborn?
Mark,
If you go here:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
Look for entries in the FROM column which are given as OT or LEG, OT (these are from Ottowa).
As an example, look at item# 138 on p. 3.
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I don't know why, maybe it's just the mood I'm in; but I got a kick out of the DPD General Order# 64-A on page 96.
Military Personnel who are arrested.
Don't arrested for being drunk, unless you are just passing through. Then it's okay.
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15 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:
SO, WHO WAS THE MOLE?
&^%$#*&
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12 hours ago, David Josephs said:
Consider this Steve:
In Russia and many non-American countries the Father's name is included in the full proper name of a person. We don't follow that exactly here but only kinda sorta....
George Herbert Walker Bush for example includes family names as "middle" names... moreso even with women: Ruth Avery Hyde Paine... Hyde being her father's name
This is a few pages earlier... I don't think this particular point adds to your theory. But hey, you know I'm liking it....
David,
I agree.
Jean-Rene Souetre's father's name was Rene Jean.
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10 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
Presumably however, what Hoover was referring to was the presence of a Corsican assassin linked to the French OAS, the very group that tried to assassinate Charles DeGaulle and stage a coup d'etat in France in 1962.
Paul,
I think of far more important strategic importance, was the attempted theft of secrets concerned with the American nuclear program.
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1 hour ago, David Josephs said:
The next page asks -
"Other Citizenship" and he replies "NONE"... ?? and "Worked at a Radio plant as Assembler"
Are you thinking that they're talking about 2 different people?
David,
I know it sounds crazy, but yes, I actually do. I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know.
Look on page 435 of that application
It says: Father's Middle Name: and it's typed in: Harvey - It's typed in Father's [Middle] Name and the word Middle is enclosed in handwritten brackets.
Since we know that Oswald's father didn't have a Harvey in it, it makes me wonder what that whole line is all about.
It also lists his occupation as a Regulator, but on pp. 437 and 438, he gives his occupation as an Assembler.
I think the two identities are being mixed together.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, David Josephs said:
Oswald was a non-citizen alien who had an Alien Identity card... why they switch the name around and use "Citizen" may simply be clerical BS....
David,
I don't think so myself. There's something else going on that I don't understand.
In his request for a visa to leave the USSR, Lee Harvey Oswald wrote that he was born in New Orleans, Texas, and that while in the USSR, he was employed as an assembler.
He makes no mention of being a regulator in the experimental shop of the plant.
pp. 437-439.
Very weird.
Steve Thomas
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For an updated list of Harvey Lee Oswald references in various government and non-government sources done on 7/19/20, see this thread"
Can anyone explain this?
A letter from Anatoly Dobrynin to the U.S. State Department concerning Harvey Lee Oswald's request for Soviet citizenship is dated December 11, 1963. It says that Harvey Lee Oswald's request for USSR Citizenship was denied. It doesn't say when he applied for that citizenship, but the character reference memo from the Minsk Radio factory is dated December 11, 1961 and refers to “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
On page 430 of CE 985, there is a Certificate dated January 1, 1960 that “Comrade”, Lee Harvey Oswald was employed as an assembler at the Minsk Radio Plant.
On page 433 of that CE Exhibit, it says that “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald was hired as a regulator at the Minsk Radio Plant on January 13, 1960.https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
So, “Comrade” Lee Harvey Oswald went from being employed as an assembler in the Minsk Plant on January 1, 1960 to being “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald hired as a “regulator in the experimental shop of the plant” on January 13th The character reference provided on page 433 says that his work as a regulator was unsatisfactory.I'm flummoxed.
Steve Thomas
Jada Conforto and Jack Ruby
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
This took me back quite a few years *smile*
I used to use a twx machine on my job.
TWX stands for teletype exchange. It was a precurser to sending text messages over the phone line. It was so cool. Clunky, but cool back in those days. It was like dot matrix printer on steroids. It needed a separate phone line, so each machine had its own phone number. Individual locations on various networks each had their own unique abbreviated identifier, so you didn't have to type out the full name, so you'd have to know what the identifier BR stood for on that police-related network.
THIS IS LSP BR GA PLS
9248 TWX 214-899-8553 1712 11-29-63
LSG BR
DATA AND STLEN LA LIC 914-985
PLS CALL COLLECT OUR TWX
PD DALLAS HENRY ACK PLS GA
LSP BR REC GUARISCO
This looks like a request from the Louisiana State Police to Dallas for information on a stolen license plate 914-985, and they're asking Dallas to acknowledge and call them back collect.
Steve Thomas