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3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Peter Dale Scott before the ARRB: October 11, 1994.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145535&search=105-2137#relPageId=36&tab=page
p. 36.
“I hope you will pursue that original file. I predict that it will lead to some third agency which has been protected in here...”
According to both Chief Curry (4H181) and Captain Will Fritz,(4H248) the Dallas Police did not have Lee Harvey Oswald in their police files. Moreover, they had never even heard of him.
According to Will Fritz; someone, whose name he could not remember gave him Oswald's Beckley address before he even began interrogating Oswald at 2:20 PM:
(4H207)At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley.
Detective B.L. Senkel wrote in his after action report (Dallas Police Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item#1) that they were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley at 2:40 PM and arrived at 3:00PM.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm
Earlene Roberts told the WC that when the police arrived at 1026 N. Beckley, they asked for a Harvey Lee Oswald.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
Mr. BALL. And the police officers came out there?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what they said?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was Will Fritz' men---it was plainclothesmen and I was at the back doing something and Mr. Johnson answered the door and they identified themselves and then he called me.
Mr. BALL. What did they say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.Senkel, who rode in the Pilot Car with Army Reserve Officers George Lumpkin and George Whitmeyer, who was dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley, and when arriving asked for Harvey Lee Oswald.
If (according to Curry and Fritz) the Dallas Police did not have Lee Harvey Oswald in their files, and had never heard of him, how did an "unknown" policeman know that he lived on Beckley? Was this "unknown" policeman's source of information coming from somewhere outside of police files, and was this "unknown" policeman Detective Billy Senkel?
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On 11/14/2017 at 4:04 PM, Steve Thomas said:
David,
I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know.
Final Report of the Assassinations Records Review Board September 30, 1998
Chapter 6 Part 1: The Quest for Additional Information and Records in Federal Government Offices
p. 83
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=3611&relPageId=106&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
“The Review Board also sought to determine whether the FBI maintained a file in Mexico City on a “Harvey Lee Oswald” under the file number 105-2137.... Some of the documents in the (Mexico Ciity Legal Attache) Legat's file contain notations for routing records to a file numbered 105-2137, and were captioned “Harvey Lee Oswald”, but it did not find such a file.”
Peter Dale Scott before the ARRB: October 11, 1994.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145535&search=105-2137#relPageId=36&tab=page
p. 36.
“I want to suggest to you that the FBI may have been tracking all of this in a file which I am quite sure has never been seen by the Warren Commission, never been seen by the House Committee, and never certainly by me or by the Archives today. I have found a reference to it in a cover sheet which I am going to leave with you. It is Mexico City File 105-2137, which is then struck out and replaced with a different file number with a different name, Lee Harvey Oswald. I hope you will pursue that original file. I predict that it will lead to some third agency which has been protected in here...”
The "all of this" Scott refers to is the Mexico City affair.
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I stumbled on this by accident.
You can find a complete copy of Accessories After the Fact by Sylvia Meagher here:
https://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Accessories_After_The_Fact.pdf
This is a Vintage Books June, 1992 edition with a 1975 Preface by Senator Richard Schweiker, and an 1975 Introduction by Peter Dale Scott.
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On 11/14/2017 at 1:53 PM, David Josephs said:
The next page asks -
"Other Citizenship" and he replies "NONE"... ?? and "Worked at a Radio plant as Assembler"
Are you thinking that they're talking about 2 different people?
Final Report of the Assassinations Records Review Board September 30, 1998
Chapter 6 Part 1: The Quest for Additional Information and Records in Federal Government Offices
p. 83
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=3611&relPageId=106&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
“The Review Board also sought to determine whether the FBI maintained a file in Mexico City on a “Harvey Lee Oswald” under the file number 105-2137.... Some of the documents in the (Mexico Ciity Legal Attache) Legat's file contain notations for routing records to a file numbered 105-2137, and were captioned “Harvey Lee Oswald”, but it did not find such a file.”
Peter Dale Scott before the ARRB: October 11, 1994.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145535&search=105-2137#relPageId=36&tab=page
p. 36.
“I want to suggest to you that the FBI may have been tracking all of this in a file which I am quite sure has never been seen by the Warren Commission, never been seen by the House Committee, and never certainly by me or by the Archives today. I have found a reference to it in a cover sheet which I am going to leave with you. It is Mexico City File 105-2137, which is then struck out and replaced with a different file number with a different name, Lee Harvey Oswald. I hope you will pursue that original file. I predict that it will lead to some third agency which has been protected in here...”
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13 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
That is interesting on that FBI report. DeBrueys key informants are an employee of WDSU and Jesse Core, a good friend of Clay Shaw who alerted Shaw and the FBI about the 544 Camp Street address on an Oswald flyer.
Is this part of the lost period that John Newman talks about in his book, where the FBI says it could not locate Oswald?
Jim,
I don't know what period of time John Newman talks about in his book, but there is a two week period between October 19 and November 2nd, 1962 when Oswald went "missing". Nobody knew where he was living. Not his friends, not his wife, not his co-workers, nor any government agency (that we're aware of). This was at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when Oswald was working at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.
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On 11/17/2017 at 3:36 PM, David Josephs said:
STRINGFELLOW... who would have guessed...
The man who officially stated Oswald was arrested in the balcony of the theater; wasn't he attached somehow to 112th... as an informant as well?
Thanks Bart....
David,
I don't know that I would attach too much importance to Stringfellow listed as an FBI informant. Sheriff Decker is also listed two lines down.
I would like to keep Stringfellow's informant ID# in the back of my mind though - T-23. I'd like to see if that pops up anywhere else along the way.
(Although this may just be a one-time assignment of number for this particular report by Barrett).
As for the 112th, see this 112th Region II (Dallas) Spot Report by the 112th on the afternoon of November 22nd:
112th IINTELLIGENCE CORPS GROUP
SPOT REPORT (REGION II)
A lot of bad information in those Spot Reports. Is Stringfellow getting a lot of things wrong? Is the person reporting what Stringfellow is saying getting it wrong? Is Stringfellow deliberately lying?
See: Army Surveillance of Civilians
https://bkofsecrets.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/armyciviliansurveillance.pdf
Stringfellow and Biggio were working the police radio at the Fairgrounds on 11/22/63
(This is a separate and somewhat murky channel of communication going on. Peter Dale Scott spent some time looking at the communications setup at the Fairgrounds in his Continuity of Government analysis)
“Army Apparently didn't tell Commission of Oswald's Alias”
Dallas Morning News March 19, 1978
in the Weisberg Collection
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12 hours ago, Mark Wengler said:
Has any new documents been released on Osborn?
Mark,
If you go here:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
Look for entries in the FROM column which are given as OT or LEG, OT (these are from Ottowa).
As an example, look at item# 138 on p. 3.
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I don't know why, maybe it's just the mood I'm in; but I got a kick out of the DPD General Order# 64-A on page 96.
Military Personnel who are arrested.
Don't arrested for being drunk, unless you are just passing through. Then it's okay.
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15 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:
SO, WHO WAS THE MOLE?
&^%$#*&
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12 hours ago, David Josephs said:
Consider this Steve:
In Russia and many non-American countries the Father's name is included in the full proper name of a person. We don't follow that exactly here but only kinda sorta....
George Herbert Walker Bush for example includes family names as "middle" names... moreso even with women: Ruth Avery Hyde Paine... Hyde being her father's name
This is a few pages earlier... I don't think this particular point adds to your theory. But hey, you know I'm liking it....
David,
I agree.
Jean-Rene Souetre's father's name was Rene Jean.
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10 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
Presumably however, what Hoover was referring to was the presence of a Corsican assassin linked to the French OAS, the very group that tried to assassinate Charles DeGaulle and stage a coup d'etat in France in 1962.
Paul,
I think of far more important strategic importance, was the attempted theft of secrets concerned with the American nuclear program.
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1 hour ago, David Josephs said:
The next page asks -
"Other Citizenship" and he replies "NONE"... ?? and "Worked at a Radio plant as Assembler"
Are you thinking that they're talking about 2 different people?
David,
I know it sounds crazy, but yes, I actually do. I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know.
Look on page 435 of that application
It says: Father's Middle Name: and it's typed in: Harvey - It's typed in Father's [Middle] Name and the word Middle is enclosed in handwritten brackets.
Since we know that Oswald's father didn't have a Harvey in it, it makes me wonder what that whole line is all about.
It also lists his occupation as a Regulator, but on pp. 437 and 438, he gives his occupation as an Assembler.
I think the two identities are being mixed together.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, David Josephs said:
Oswald was a non-citizen alien who had an Alien Identity card... why they switch the name around and use "Citizen" may simply be clerical BS....
David,
I don't think so myself. There's something else going on that I don't understand.
In his request for a visa to leave the USSR, Lee Harvey Oswald wrote that he was born in New Orleans, Texas, and that while in the USSR, he was employed as an assembler.
He makes no mention of being a regulator in the experimental shop of the plant.
pp. 437-439.
Very weird.
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For an updated list of Harvey Lee Oswald references in various government and non-government sources done on 7/19/20, see this thread"
Can anyone explain this?
A letter from Anatoly Dobrynin to the U.S. State Department concerning Harvey Lee Oswald's request for Soviet citizenship is dated December 11, 1963. It says that Harvey Lee Oswald's request for USSR Citizenship was denied. It doesn't say when he applied for that citizenship, but the character reference memo from the Minsk Radio factory is dated December 11, 1961 and refers to “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
On page 430 of CE 985, there is a Certificate dated January 1, 1960 that “Comrade”, Lee Harvey Oswald was employed as an assembler at the Minsk Radio Plant.
On page 433 of that CE Exhibit, it says that “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald was hired as a regulator at the Minsk Radio Plant on January 13, 1960.https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
So, “Comrade” Lee Harvey Oswald went from being employed as an assembler in the Minsk Plant on January 1, 1960 to being “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald hired as a “regulator in the experimental shop of the plant” on January 13th The character reference provided on page 433 says that his work as a regulator was unsatisfactory.I'm flummoxed.
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On 11/12/2017 at 9:51 PM, Mike Kilroy said:
To summarize the timeline:
- December 1963 - Helms appoints agency case officer George Joannides to run the DRE and have Joannides report personally to him.
- August 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald has several run-ins with the New Orleans chapter of the DRE that are publicized in the local news.
Mike,
I see Oswald as an agent provocateur working on behalf of someone else:
- an effort to infiltrate the DRE and then pick a public street fight in an effort to discredit them in August. The first thing he does is ask to see an FBI agent.
- visit to Sylvia Odio of Jure in September (I personally believe she was involved in trying to smuggle guns into Cuba).
- Oswald's role as a possible informant in the Lawrence Miller/Darnell Whitter case.
- visits to the house on Harlendale "in the last several months" where Alpha 66 is holding bi-weekly meetings.
I think I see a pattern here.
Steve Thomas
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Jason,
The study of French politics in general, and the OAS in particular is... confusing. They seemed to change their governments so frequently it's hard to keep up. you said, “The OAS was, of course, the French Radical Right”.
That's true, to a certain extent; but I've found that the OAS consisted of many things. You had the proto-fascists, yes, but it also had French loyalists,, disaffected SDECE and SAC agents, double agents, royalists, former members of the French Foreign Legion, outright criminals...the list goes on.
I once read that the hardest job in the world was a drill instructor in the French Foreign Legion. You had a polyglot of languages mixed up with misfits, people who were on the lamb who had changed their name, men to were given the choice of joining the Foreign Legion or going to jail. Discipline consisted of taking you out behind the barracks and letting four of the biggest, baddest Legionnaires beat the tar out of you. So, it's complex. More than anything else, I would say that the OAS were anti-DeGaulle.
I think there are two ingredients that help understand Souetre's character.: One was the Integraliste movement; and the other was Article 16 of the French Constitution.
1) Integralism
There was a throwaway line in something Jean-Claude Perez told Fensterwald in 1982. He said that,
“post 1962, Souetre was part of an ultra-right, ultra-Catholic splinter group which included four men named Pichon, Lefevre, Bourget, and Grossouvre. Group called Integraliste
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Souetre%20Jean%20with%20aka%27s/Item%2011.pdfp. 4.
(Albert Lefevre, by the way, was the one man I could find that both stood trial with Souetre in December, 1961 and who escaped with him from the Camp at St. Maurice L'Ardoise in February, 1962.)
From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integralism
Integralism is an ideology according to which a nation is an organic unity. Integralism defends social differentiation and hierarchy with co-operation between social classes, transcending conflict between social and economic groups. It advocates trade unionism (or a guild system), corporatism, and organic political representation instead of ideological forms of representation. Integralism claims that the best political institutions for given nations will differ depending on the history, culture and climate of the nation's habitat. Often associated with blood and soil conservatism, it posits the nation or the state or the nation state as an end and a moral good, rather than a means.[1]
The term integralism was coined by the French journalist Charles Maurras, whose conception of nationalism was illiberal and anti-internationalist, elevating the interest of the state above that of the individual and above humanity in general.[1]
Although it is marked by its being exclusionary and particularistic, and there has been consideration of its historic role as a sort of proto-fascism (in a European context)[1] or para-fascism (in a South American context),[2] this link remains controversial, with some social scientists positing that it combines elements of both the political left and right.[3]
Catholic Integralism does not support the creation of an autonomous "Catholic" state church, or Erastianism (Gallicanism in French context). Rather it supports subordinating the state to the worldwide Catholicism under the leadership of the Pope. Thus it rejects separation of the Catholic Church from the state and favours Catholicism as the proclaimed religion of the state.[5]Catholic Integralism appeals to the teaching on the subordination of temporal to spiritual power of medieval popes such as Pope Gregory VII and Pope Boniface VIII. But Catholic Integralism in the strict sense came about as a reaction against the political and cultural changes which followed the Enlightenment and the French Revolution.[6
(Where have we heard “Blood and Soil” recently?)
For “trade unionism” See Fensterwald's “Possible French Connection”
“In the period, 1964-1966. Souetre headed the Societe Expinmaq in Madrid; it was a “soueti de traveaux publics,” furnishing works and cover for OAS veterans and exiles, such as Varga, Marton and Sari.”19 (essentially a trade union and you can see why Souetre was beloved by former OAS veterans. He got them jobs). When men deserted from the French Army as Souetre did and joined the OAS, they were destitute. They had no money for food or shelter and many turned to extra-legal means to get it. Two popular methods were extortion, and running drugs.
2) DeGauule's invocation of Article 16 of the French Constitution.When DeGaulle swept into power in 1958 and overthrew the Fourth Republic, France also got a new constitution. Under certain conditions, Article 16 allowed the President to invoke a national emergency and allocating all powers including judicial to the President. Due process was suspended. After the General's Putsch in April of 1961, DeGaulle invoked Article 16. When Souetre was tried in December of 1961, he was given a three-year suspended sentence, but was immediately placed in Administrative detention for an indefinite period, and confined to a prison camp in southern France. I've seen pictures of the camp. It was bleak to say the least. He led an 18-man prison break out of the camp in February, 1962. 10 men were immdediately re-captured, but 8 managed to escape. Souetre fled to Spain. I believe that this extra-judicial move left him embittered. You can see it reflected in pictures of him pre-1962 and post-1962. In earlier pictures, he is smiling and happy. After his imprisonment, he is dour and morose.
David Andrews said, “Yet De Gaulle speculated that Allen Dulles and CIA supported the OAS assassination plotting.To David I would say, “more than Helms, take a look at a man Irving Brown.
“This is from the Fensterwald memo:See p. 30 of this Gary Shaw FOIA litigation
for a man named “Brown” who was the CIA Station Chief in Paris.
Russ Holmes Work File
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=6060&search=Torjmann#relPageId=30&tab=page
http://www.xiconhoca.org/PDF/DDeRoux/Apossiblefrenchconnection.pdf
Just Chillin on History
Wednesday, November 19, 2014
PART 1 OF 3: THE GREAT HEROIN COUP-DRUGS,INTELLIGENCE @INTERNATIONAL FASCISM
“There is the example of George White, an FBN official and former OSS agent who testified to the Kefauver Committee that he had been approached on behalf of Luciano in 1943 by an old China trafficker, August del Grazio.[59] White worked closely with the CIA in the postwar years and (under FBN cover) ran one of their LSD experiments in Project MK/ULTRA.
By the time of White's visit to Marseilles, the CIA and AFL organizer Irving Brown were already subsidizing the use of Corsican and Italian gangsters to oust Communist unions from the Marseilles port. Brown's CIA case officer, Paul Sakwa, has confirmed that by the time CIA subsidies were terminated in 1953, Brown's chief contact with the Marseilles underworld, Pierre Ferri Pisani, no longer needed U.S. support, because of the profits his newly gained control of the port supplied from the heroin traffic.”
http://alchetron.com/Irving-Brown-775007-W
“Established in France, he (Irving Brown) headed the international relations of the AFL-CIO from his offices at 10, rue de la Paix in Paris. From 1951 to 1954, the CIA division headed by Thomas Braden provided $1 million a year to Brown and Lovestone ($1,600,000 in 1954).
In 1952 he was in Helsinki, supporting the unionists who had decided to vote to quit the World Federation of Trade Unions (WFTU), then mainly composed of Communist unions.
During the Algerian War, he subsidized the Algerian National Movement (MNA), founded by Messali Hadj to oppose the National Liberation Front (FLN).”
I don't know if this is the same “Brown who was the Station Chief in Paris” I don't know who the Station Chief in Paris was., but you've got this mix of trade unionists, the stay behind network, and heroin smuggling going on.
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7 hours ago, Michael Clark said:
Dr. Nick Begich (son of the congressman who disappeared on an airplane trip along with Warren Comission member and Congressman, Hale Boggs) with some fascinating observations which are relevant to this topic.
Michael,
Thank you. That was very inspiring.
Long Live the Zone!
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10 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
Hi Steve, I know this is old ground but could you just give the confirmation for that assertion of his code breaking job not to mention the OAS traffic...I'm still open to it, I just need to see something solid and all I see in the papers you linked to is the same old story..or have I missed it.
Larry,
No, I can't.
Like you, I would like to see his military service record, or a copy of his discharge papers, or something.
Not to mention the OAS angle. I'd like to see a copy of something that he supposedly intercepted.
Dinkin gave the names of several people to whom he told his story before he went AWOL. I would like to see first person accounts from those people of what he allegedly told them.
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On 10/22/2017 at 11:17 AM, Tom Hume said:
Hi Steve,
Dinkin’s name first came up in the Garrison investigation, wherein interviews with some of Dinkin’s former Army associates led to the conclusion that he had been hospitalized until he memorized a cover story. And as Garrison’s people pieced the story together, they discovered that one of Dinkin’s duties as a code breaker had been to decipher telegraphic traffic that originated with the French OAS. 34
34: Dinkin as code breaker: transcript, New Orleans researchers' conference (September 21, 1968), pp.73-75.
Tom,
Here's a copy of the relevant pages from that New Orleans research conference. If they don't show up here as attached file, I'll try to copy and paste them.
Dinkin Garrrison Papers New Orleans Conference 9 21 1968 Pages 73 to 75.pdf
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Jason,
In your first paragraph - I'm pretty sure that comes from Fensterwald's, "Possible French Connection"...
The _________ Buscia mentioned would probably be Gilles Buscia, author of Au nom de l'OAS: Requiem pour une cause perdue by Gilles Buscia) Alain Lefeuvre, 1981.
(In the name of the OAS: Requiem for a Lost Cause)
This is supposedly his "memoirs". I sure would like to read that someday.
He was the head of the OAS in Corsica. He was implicated in the attack on Charles DeGaulle at Petit-Clamart along with Laslo Varga and Lajos Marton. He was also implicated in an attack on George Pompidou.
General Claude Clement, who "assisted" at Souetre's wedding was a hoot.
He was a 70 year old hippie who authored a book entitled, Make Love and Not War Anymore. "I too want to put flowers in the barrels of guns, to drop petals on those who drop bombs". He organized a music festival in Aix-en-Provence in July of 1970 that was headlined by Pink Floyd. The festival was canceled by the city authorities as a fire hazard and a threat to public safety. He was drummed out of the army for his participation in Souetre's wedding at the prison camp.
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43 minutes ago, David Boylan said:
David,
Thanks for this. One thing I would question in Whitten's summary is his analysis of why Oswald didn't know his address. (That's about 4/5ths of the way down in the pdf).
Assuming it was Oswald down there in Mexico, when LHO came back, he checked into the YMCA on October 3rd. He didn't have an address. Supposedly, he was at Bledsoe's house from the 7th to the 14th.
Steve Thomas
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On 4/30/2017 at 10:33 AM, Joe Bauer said:
Just a few quirky thoughts of my own about Oswald from reading this.
Joe,
I wondered if Marina was shown a copy of this "diary" and asked if that's the way he usually talked.
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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
did I understand this correctly? It seems that Paine is saying he was at the right wing anti Stevenson meeting, the same one Oswald spoke about when at the ACLU meeting.
Paul,
I am just going on memory here, but I seem to remember that there was a John Birch Society meeting the same night that Adlai Stevenson spoke; that was sparsely attended because so many people had been whipped up into a frenzy about going and protesting Stevenson that night. Walker (and others) had got them all worked up the night before about Stevenson coming to town. The details are buried somewhere in my notes.
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11 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
I posted the screen shot on the Albert Osborne thread and now reposted it here because it seems relevant.
Paul,
With respect to the line in your re-post about Walker's military people from Germany, I'm assuming the author meant Larry Schmidt.
One interesting thing, Warren Commission Document #320 is a memo from SS Agent Rowley. On page 162 of that Report there is a newspaper article from October 27, 1963 issue of the Dallas Times Herald concerning the (Adlai) Stevenson incident.
In the article, Bobbie Joiner, (who got arrested in front of the Trade Mart on November 22nd), said there was no preplanning for Stevenson incident, but that, “some of the signs used were stored at former Major General Edwin A. Walker’s headquarters on Turtle Creek Blvd.”
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=162
This was the same incident that Larry Schmidt took credit for in one of his letters to Bernard Weissman. Schmidt was also quoted in the same October 27th issue.
On page 6 of Wallace Heitman’s April 29 Report, right in the middle of a discussion about the Cubans in Garland, he says that his source said that (blank) and (blank) (Raphael Quintana and Raoul Castro?) of Alpha 66 had told him that they had attended the meeting at the Dallas Municipal Auditorium in October, 1963 where Adlai Stevenson had given a speech and that they had worn placards outside the Auditorium which were anti-Stevenson in context.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=215
I'm not sure what this proves, other than these people were at the same place at the same time. Did they know each other? I don't know.From the WC testimony of Michael Paine:
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/paine_m1.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - Are you a member of the American Civil Liberties Union?
Mr. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Are you a member or have you ever attended any meetings of the John Birch Society?
Mr. PAINE - I am not a member. I have been to one or, I guess chiefly one meeting of theirs.
Mr. LIEBELER - Where was that?
Mr. PAINE - That was in Dallas?
Mr. LIEBELER - When?
Mr. PAINE - That was the night Stevenson spoke in Dallas.The CHAIRMAN - When?
Mr. PAINE - The night Stevenson spoke in Dallas, U.N. Day.Mr. PAINE - I had been seeking to go to a Birch meeting for some time, and then I was invited on this night so I went. It was an introductory meeting.
Mr. DULLES - On the 9th of November?
Mr. PAINE - It was November something, I don't know what, a Wednesday or Thursday night.
Mr. LIEBELER - For the record I think the record should indicate that Mr. Stevenson was in Dallas on or about October 24, 1963.Mr. PAINE - When I went to the ACLU meeting he (Oswald) then got up, stood up and reported what had happened at the meeting of the far right which had occurred at convention hall the day before, U.N. Day, they called it U.S. Day, and I think Walker had spoken then.
From this I gathered that he was doing more or less the same thing-- I thought he was, I didn't inquire how he spent his free time but I supposed he was going around to right wing groups being familiarizing himself for whatever his purposes were as I was... this was the only concrete evidence I had of how he spent, might have spent some of his time. It happened in the ACLU meeting in late October. I suppose he was familiar with the right-wing groups and activities, and movements. And certainly familiar with Walker; yes.So Oswald was at the anti-Stevenson rally at the same time as Larry Schmidt, Bobby Joiner, members of the John Birch Society and members of SNFE/Alpha 66?
Steve Thomas
Accessories After the Fact
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
Thanks Ray, That's terrific.
Steve Thomas