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9 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:
So, this brings us back to Dallas and the DALLAS Minutemen specifically. Who was the leader of the DALLAS Minutemen? James Hosty gives us the answer in his book, Assignment Oswald (1996).
--Paul TrejoPaul,
You might want to go through the FBI HSCA Subject files here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1479
There's a lot of info on the Dallas chapter..
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:
They are giving it to the Sixth Floor? Why? What is wrong with the Dallas city archives? God, the CIA knew what they were doing with Briggs stationed there, right?
About Leavelle, don't forget her visit to Vickie Adams Ron. What a cock and bull story he unloaded on her.
Cory and James,
I indexed those files back in 2008. You can see them here:
New Dallas Documents Online
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12338-new-dallas-documents-online/
Back then I urged them to donate the material to the Mary Ferrell site where they would be keyword searchable, but to no avail.
The Dallas Morning News url link doesn't work anymore - they took it down. Sigh.
Steve Thomas
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On 9/20/2017 at 4:57 PM, Paul Brancato said:
Theory - assassins were hired in Europe, probably not Mafia, but perhaps Corsican. The link is the still unidentified QJWIN, contacted by Harvey. The network that QJWIN taps into is probably Gladio (Lemnitzer), a CIA/Nazi/Mafia terrorist network with close ties to the international drug trade. The overheard radio traffic by - help me remember where this came from and who he was, maybe Dinkin - about the OAS ties directly into this theory. Was he Army?
The conspiracy to kill JFK is all CIA and US military at the highest levels, outsourced very carefully, and covered adroitly with all manner of rabbit holes to get lost in.
oh, and one more thing - Pease says that Angleton was ex-Army Colonel. That's for Steve Thomas, if you are reading.
Paul,
You might be interested in reading this thread back in 2004 on the Education Forum:
French Connection
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/2260-french-connection/
And yes, it was Dinkin you were thinking of.
Steve Thomas
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6 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:
Steve,
Thank you. Is there a version of this handwritten note that is not redacted? There seems to be a block redacted in the top middle.
Keyvan
Kevyn,
On p. 214 of the book I cited above (American Heart of Darkness), the author says that only 9 pages out of 43 have survived, and that some sections were blacked out in one version, and not in others.
A fuller copy of the handwritten notes can be found on the Mary Ferrell site here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=66058&search=ZRRIFle#relPageId=2&tab=page
Another version of the typed transcription can be found here:
https://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg05640.html
One thing you could do is open two tabs, one with the handwritten copy, and one with the typed transcription and compare them side by side.
You might be interested in reading:
Church Committee: Interim Report - Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders
beginning on page 183 here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1156&relPageId=197&search=William_Harvey
The Senators question Harvey about his notes.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:
Steve,
Concerning your comment about Corsicans rather than Mafia, Is there a handwritten note from Harvey?
Keyvan,
On William Harvey's notes on the ZRRIFLE Project:
The handwritten note here:
https://www.memresearch.org/econ/zrrifle.jpg
A typed version here beginning on p. 216 (see p. 218):
Steve Thomas
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10 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
Lemnitzer didn't start Gladio, but he ran it while in Europe, and I think he is of great interest here, because the assassins that were hired to do the hit on JFK came out of the Gladio network - no proof of that just hunch. Read Gladio, by Richard Cottrell. Plus, look the Army Intel, Army reserve etc presence at Dealey Plaza and with connections to DPD.
Paul,
I think I tend to agree with you.
Lately, I've been speculating lately on "revenge as motive" for the hit on JFK.
Not so much for what he "might" do with respect to getting out of Vietnam, or eliminating the oil depletion allowance, etc., but for what JFK "had" done; and looking at the people who had been "exiled to the frontier". So far, I've come up with Lyman Lemnitzer and William King Harvey, who was transferred to Rome after the Cuban Missile Crisis. Remember his handwritten ZR/Rifle to use Corsicans rather than Mafia. Being CIA Station Chief in Rome would make him pretty well positioned to find some.
I think they sat out there in the boondocks and stewed.
In ancient Roman times, wasn't it the generals who had been banished to Gaul who were always stirring up trouble, with this legion or that legion always seemingly ready to "cross the Rubicon" at any moment?
Although they weren't exiled, I'd add Allen Dulles and Charles Cabell, who were forced into retirement rather than banished to the frontier.
Anybody else you can think of that fit this bill?
As far as the Army Reserve Colonels, I think they were more "boots on the ground" than anything; the "mechanics" of how it went down.
Steve Thomas
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This is not to say that there wasn't a CIA file on a Harvey Lee Oswald, it's just that I am interested in such files that were not CIA related.
I've collected a few references that I have run across and, by no means, is this a comprehensive list.
Probe Magazine From the January-February, 1998 issue (Vol. 5 No. 2)
http://www.ctka.net/pr198-jfk.html
Harvey, Lee and Tippit:
A New Look at the Tippit ShootingBy John Armstrong
John asks, Why does Sheriff Decker's file list the assailant's name as "Harvey Lee Oswald"?
(What Decker file is John Armstrong referring to?)
WC testimony of Earlene Roberts April 8, 1964
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
Mr. BALL. Do you remember the day the President was shot?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; I remember it---who would forget that?
Mr. BALL. And the police officers came out there?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what they said?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was Will Fritz' men---it was plainclothesmen and I was at the back doing something and Mr. Johnson answered the door and they identified themselves and then he called me.
Mr. BALL. What did they say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. And he says, "I don't know, I'll have to call the housekeeper," and he called me and I went and got the books and I said, "No; there's no one here by that name," and they tried to make me remember and I couldn't, and Mrs. Johnson come in in the meantime and there wasn't nobody there by that name, and Mrs. Johnson said, "Mrs. Roberts, don't you have him?" And, I said, "No; we don't, for here is my book and there is nobody there by that name." We checked it back a year.
Mr. BALL. And you didn't have that name you didn't ever know his name was Lee Oswald?
Mrs. ROBERTS. No---he registered as O. H. Lee and they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald.At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM.
DPD Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item# 1 Undated Report of B.L. Senkel.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
He rode in the left rear seat of the motorcade's pilot car along with Deputy Chief George Lumpkin, F.M. Turner, George L. Whitmeyer, and Jack Puterbaugh.
(Lumpkin and Whitmeyer were Army Intelligence Reserves).
Walter E. Potts, Billy L. Senkel and Fay M. Turner were Detectives in Will Fritz's Homicide Bureau.
Lt. Elmo L. Cunningham was a lieutenant in the Forgery Bureau. Both Bureaus were part of the Criminal Investigation Division.
Batchelor's Exhibit 5002 (19H)
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
CE 2003 located in (24H259) is the list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill of TSBD employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth. The Report submitted to Gannaway says it is coming thru Jack Revill. Page 3 of CE 2003, found on page 260, is signed by R.W. Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section. R.W. Westphal and P.M. Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau. Carroll and Taylor were also Detectives in that Bureau. W.P. Gannaway was the Captain and Revill was one of the Lieutenants.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
WC testimony of FBI Agent, John Lester Quigley, who interviewed Oswald in New Orleans on August 10, 1963.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/quigley.htm
Quigley told the WC that he got a call from Lt. Francis L. Martello, platoon commander of the First District, New Orleans Police Station saying that the police had a prisoner who wanted to talk to an FBI Agent. When Quigley got there, Oswald was introduced to him as Harvey Lee Oswald.
There have been references on several threads about a cable sent on the evening of 11/22 from Fort Sam Houston to Strike Command, McDill AFB in Florida. In the cable, reference was made, to information obtained by Detective Don Stringfellow of the Dallas Police Department. I managed to locate a copy of the cable, which you can find here:
https://archive.org/details/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK
I think this is in the Weisberg collection.
L.D. Stringfellow was a Detective in the Dallas Police Department's Special Service Bureau of which Revill was a Lieutenant.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
1) Note the reference in this military intelligence file's cable to Harvey Lee Oswald
2) Earlene Roberts told the WC that when the police came to 1026 N. Beckley, they were trying to find a guy named Harvey Lee Oswald
3) The list of TSBD employees prepared for Gannaway by Westphal and Parks thru Revill on Friday afternoon listed Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth
3) In the Stringfellow cable referenced above, Harvey Lee Oswald was described as 5'10" tall, 165 lbs, with blue eyes
4) The initial description broadcast over the DPD radio at 12:45 P.M. was for a suspect approximately 30 years old, weighing 165 lbs and nobody knows where that description came from.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/index.htm
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I once posed the question, "How did the police first learn of the 1026 N. Beckley address?". Fritz told the WC that some officer (whose name he couldn't remember) stopped him out in the hall before he went in to talk to LHO for the first time, and told him that Oswald lived on Beckley. My conclusion then, was the information came from source in military intelligence.
Others have come to the same conclusion.
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=8636.0;wap2
Was Billy Senkel the officer who told Fritz about 1026 N. Beckley and was he dispatched there looking for a Harvey Lee Oswald because of his association with Lumpkin and Whitmeyer?
I don't know what this all means. What I am thinking right now is that members of the U.S. Army Reserves (in some capacity, whether it was Crichton's mythical 488th or not) had put together a dossier of a blue-eyed, 5'10" 165 lb Harvey Lee Oswald that they handed over to the Dallas Police Department. They told the police, "This is the guy you're looking for. He lives over on Beckley"
I think this dossier had been shared with other police departments around the country such as New Orleans.
Oswald is referred to as Harvey Lee Oswald in an FBI report coming out of Mobile, AL on 12/24/63
(23H372) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=404&tab=page
Oswald is referred to as Harvey Lee Oswald in an FBI report coming out of Sherman Oaks, CA on 11/29/63 (23H207) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=239&tab=page
Chuck Schwartz in the Education Forum on June 2, 2016 in the thread entitled, “Two Dallas cops were involved in the pre-arranged murder of Tippit...”
Quoting from Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics & the Death of JFK, Chuck posts:
“Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the army, navy, and air force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here…The job of [Revill's] intelligence section in Capt. Gannaway's bureau…requires the closest cooperation with these other governmental agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups suspected of espionage…With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city…Employees in [industrial] plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel officers, and in key jobs are given strict government security clearances. Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this area is the American Society for Industrial Security.”
“ One can see how easily a false legend for Oswald could have been generated in the shared files of this coordinated security campaign, involving the Dallas SSB, FBI, military intelligence, and the American Society for Industrial Security. Such a centralized file system could be the source for the recurring (and unexplained) inversion of Oswald's name, as Harvey Lee Oswald, in the files of the Dallas police (e.g., 19 WH 438, 24 WH 259), FBI (e.g., 23 WH 207, 23 WH 373), Secret Service (16 WH 721, 748), army intelligence, and navy intelligence.”
“America's Secret Police Network”, by George O'Toole. Penthouse Magazine, December, 1976. pp. 77-82, cont'd on pp. 194-206.
https://fightgangstalking.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/americas-secret-police-network1.pdf
“The LEIU links the intelligence squads of almost every major police force in the United States and Canada.... The organization (LEIU) forms a vast network of intelligence units that exchange dossiers and conduct investigations on a reciprocal basis.” O'Toole goes on to say that the CIA often recruited sources within local police departments and that co-opting local police in foreign countries is “standard CIA operating procedure”.
(I'm thinking of Westbrook going to Saigon to train the local police after he left the DPD).
O'Toole also wrote about how closely Army Intelligence worked with local police and cites the case of the Chicago Police being in “daily contact” with the 113th Military Intelligence Group in the late 1960's and early 1970's.
Warren Commission Hearings, Volume XVIII
Current Section: CE 985 - Letter from the Department of State to the Commission, dated May 18, 1964, with attached documents from the ...
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
There's a file on a Harvey Lee Oswald that goes back to at least the 1960 – 61, time frame
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD: SUBJECT - HARVEY LEE OSWALD
The author of this memorandum is unknown. The subject of the memo is Harvey Lee Oswald. It looks like it dates from 1972.
“The DC/CI (counterintelligence) advised me that the Director had relayed via the DDP (Deputy Director of Plans) the injunction that the Agency was not, under any circumstances, to make inquiries or ask questions of any source or defector about Oswald.”
The Soviets rejected the Soviet citizenship application of Harvey Lee Oswald.
I have not fleshed this out, but I have read in the past that there was a CIA file under the name Harvey Lee Oswald, and it ties back to the Mexico City incident and Angleton's mole hunt. This Harvey Lee Oswald file may indeed go back as far as Oswald's fake defection to Russia in 1960. As Dulles was the former Director of the CIA, he would more than likely have been aware of it.
The Harvey Lee Oswald name can't be attributed to a simple inversion, or a mistake, or a typo. It appears in too many places. You have it showing up in Military Intelligence files, FBI files, and local law enforcement files. I believe that a dossier on a Harvey Lee Oswald was circulated or shared across many different intelligence agencies. Now when that dossier was started, and by whom and for what purpose, are open questions.
And it's not just U.S. Files. The letter from Anatoly Dobrynin to the U.S. State Department concerning Harvey Lee Oswald's request for Soviet citizenship is dated December, 1963. It doesn't say when he applied for that citizenship, but the character reference memo from the Minsk Radio factory is dated December 11, 1961 and refers to “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald.
On page 430 of CE 985 (cited just above), there is a Certificate dated January 1, 1960 that “Comrade”, Lee Harvey Oswald was employed as an assembler at the Minsk Radio Plant.
“Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald was hired as a regulator at the Minsk Radio Plant on January 13, 1960.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22
So, “Comrade” Lee Harvey Oswald went from being employed as an assembler in the Minsk Plant on January 1, 1960 to being “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald hired as a “regulator in the experimental shop of the plant” on January 13th
hmmmmmm...
I would be interested in learning of any other official non-CIA or non-FBI references to Harvey Lee Oswald that anyone may come across. I already know of several civilian instances.
Steve Thomas
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42 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:
Well this is taking the thread off topic again but as does happen Jim D and I do disagree at times. Personally I find the remark that Putin " has done all he could to restore living standards, establish pensions, and improve respect for the law and stop the looting by the oligarchs" to be a bit too similar to remarks about trains running on time in Italy under Fascism - true in parts but far short of the full picture of Fascism in Italy and Germany - or of Putin's return to power in Russia. Especially the part about the oligarch looting, which is true but really applies to those oligarchs he could not bring under control and keep within his own domain. So for the sake of transparency, I offer the following sources as starters for those interested in this and with a counter view of Putin and affairs in Russia, especially since 2008. All the Kremlin's Men by Mikhail Zygar, The New Nobility by Andrei Soldatov and Irina Borogan, Winter is Coming by Garry Kasparov and Putin's War Against Ukraine by Taras Kuzio, published with the chair of Ukrainian Studies at the University of Toronto.
I admit to having certain political worldviews myself, both the US and Russia have been conducting political warfare for a good while now, with Russia having a far longer history with it, extending back to its Imperial days and the "great game" against the British Empire across Asia. I'm not willing to give either party much of a pass in terms of stirring the pot of world affairs.
Jim,
I'm sorry, but I think I have to agree with Larry on this. I was reading the other day that with the fall of the Soviet Union, and the collapse of the ruble, a lot of the Soviet oligarchs moved their money out of the Soviet Union into the West, in particular, into Western real estate. I think I read that Putin is the richest man in the world with an estimated personal fortune in excess of $200 billion? That doesn't sound much like "stopping the looting" to me.
With respect to Douglas Caddy's original post, two things caught my attention:
1) In the Global Research article by Carl Gibson, when he talks about the Northwoods Memorandum, Gibson writes that the memo is in response to a "request by the "Chief of Operations, Cuba Project" for pretexts which would provide justification for U.S. military intervention..."
The way this cover memo reads, Northwoods wasn't the original brainchild of the Joint Chiefs. They were tasked to do this by somebody else. Or was this cover memo just a CYA beaureaucratise?
Does anyone know who this memo is referring to? Is it a military branch? or a CIA division? or the "Special Group Augmented? and who was the "Chief"? Bobby Kennedy?
2) In that same memo, it says that "It is assumed that there will be similar submissions from other agencies..."
Does anyone know of any other "submissions" by "other agencies" for projects along the line of Northwoods?
Steve Thomas
PS: Larry,
Russia and China are going to butt heads in Central Asia I think.
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4 hours ago, Jason Ward said:
Even with the internet, I think we still have some issues around duplicated effort and of course people like me don’t even pretend to have the encyclopedic knowledge such that I know immediately what was already investigated and what may still be left out there to pursue. If you know anything about the following items, please reply; I’m especially interested to hear if the incident was investigated and found meaningless, or really any comments you have.
Jason,
You might be interested in the thread entitled, "Erasing the past to protect a fairytale" by Arjan Hut in the JFK Assassination Forum here: https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,12623.0.html?PHPSESSID=da10693a75f6fceb0ce372badd010bff
I personally have found his work very eye opening.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:
Who is the last witness?
Jim,
The book was co-authored by William Reymond and Billie Sol Estes. From what I can gather, Estes is the "last witness" and lays the blame for JFK's assassination at the feet of LBJ.
Estes' claim is based on audio tapes of conversations he had with Johnson aide, Cliff Carter.
Published in France under the title as Chris said, " JFK le dernier témoin , (translated as The Last Witness") I've read two reviews that said the book was never published in English.
I have not read the book, or its Preface or Foreword.
Mark, if you don't read French, you can do a Google search for "The Last Witness" and get a sense of what the book is about from people who do.
Steve Thomas
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53 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:
Throw this on to the Devil's Chessboard. As brother of the Deputy Director and himself an asset since 56 he most assuredly was well known to Dulles. He was also most likely PO'd at JFK over the public humiliation of brother and Dulles firing.
I've wondered about a possible connection along these lines for several years. This points further towards it.
Ron,
Ah yes, revenge as motive. And it wasn't just about "public humiliation". Read that thread about the C.J. Drilling Co. This guy had major assets seized by Castro when he nationalized the oil and gas industry in 1959.
It wasn't about being threatened by the oil depletion allowance. Look at how many of these Army Reserve Colonels were involved in the oil industry. These guys wanted their money back, and when Kennedy refused to invade Cuba after the Bay of Pigs in 1961, and especially after the Cuba Missile Crisis in the fall of 1962...
Mobil was previously known as the as the Socony-Vacuum Oil Company
Vacuum Oil Company
"Vacuum Oil Company was an American oil company known for their Gargoyle 600-W Steam Cylinder Oil. Vacuum Oil merged with Standard Oil Co of New York, commonly known as Socony Oil to form Socony-Vacuum Oil Company, and is now a part of ExxonMobil.
Vacuum Oil and Standard Oil of New York (Socony) merged in 1931, after the government gave up attempts to prevent it. At the time, the newly combined company made Socony-Vacuum Corp. the 3rd largest oil company, worldwide. Everest remained with the firm, and was given a salaried job as president.
During World War II, the Tschechowitz I & II subcamps of Auschwitz in Czechowice-Dziedzice provided forced labor for Vacuum Oil Company facilities in Poland which were captured and operated by Nazi Germany.
It's not about communism, or fascism - those are just tools.
It's the money.
Steve Thomas
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11 hours ago, Michael Clark said:
Steve, when I was following another thread of yours, I was looking into this. I found that 10th did, at the time did pass through Patton at least to Crawford and possibly beyond to Becky. I wasn't following this same story you are following now so I don't recall making mental notes beyond Crawford.
Edit, about a third of the way down you can see that tenth used to pass through Patton.
Michael,
Thank you. You're right.
If you go to Google Maps and take a look at the street view south down Crawford between 9th and Jefferson, you can see that they turned 10th St. into a little alley running between Patton and at least as far as Storey. Maybe back in '63, 10th did run as far as Beckley. I'm not sure what that building is on the east side of 10th and Beckley looking east down 10th, but comparing that now to the City Directory in 1961; between expanding that Adamson High School grounds on 9th, it looks like they eliminated a bunch of apartment buildings too. The whole idea of eliminating three whole blocks of a paved street just kind of threw me there.
Steve Thomas
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On 8/3/2017 at 7:28 AM, Steve Thomas said:
I searched through the 1961 Dallas City Directory, and it does not show a Mobil gas station at 10th and Beckley.
I honestly don't know what's going on here. Hutson told the WC:Mr. HUTSON. I exited off Jefferson and went to the 400 block of East Jefferson Boulevard and began a search of the two-story house behind 10th Street where the officer had been shot.Mr. BELIN. All right.Mr. HUTSON. And after we searched this area, I got in the squad car with Officer Ray Hawkins, who was driving, and Officer Baggett was riding in the back seat.Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?Mr. HUTSON. We proceeded west on 10th Street to Beckley, and we pulled into the Mobil gas station at Beckley and 10th Street.Mr. BELIN. That is a Mobil gas station?Mr. HUTSON. Yes.There was no Mobil gas station at 10th and Beckley, and you can't drive west on 10th from Patton. 10th St. dead ends at Patton, and doesn't pick up again until you get to Beckley.In the picture on the left, you are standing in the intersection of 10th and Patton looking west down 10th. It dead ends. The picture on the right shows this street layout.What in the world was Hutson talking about? -
On 3/17/2017 at 7:20 AM, Steve Thomas said:
The account of T.A. Hutson is very interesting.
Ray Hawkins and T.A. Hutson both participated in the apprehension of Lee Oswald.
Ray Hawkins call sign was 211
T.A. Hutson call sign was 284
J.D. Tippit is shot. Multiple units respond. A search of the houses in the vicinity is undertaken. The search of the houses proves fruitless. A suspect is spotted at the Library. Multiple units respond.
Sometime between the search of the houses and the sighting of a suspect at the Library, Hawkins and Hutson make a stop at a Mobile Gas Station at 10th and Beckley to make a phone call, supposedly in response from a request from Dispatch to call in.
I do not find any reference to this phone call in the Dispatch tapes.
Mr. HUTSON. We proceeded west on 10th Street to Beckley, and we pulled into the Mobil gas station at Beckley and 10th Street.
Mr. BELIN. That is a Mobil gas station?
Mr. HUTSON. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. HUTSON. And Officer Ray Hawkins and Officer Baggett went inside of the Mobil gas station. And I am not positive, but I think they used the telephone to call in.
I am not positive, but I believe they gave us a call for us to call. I mean their number to call in.I searched through the 1961 Dallas City Directory, and it does not show a Mobil gas station at 10th and Beckley.
According to the 1961 Dallas City Directory:
10th and Beckley is the dividing line numbering the streets running north and south, and streets running east and west.
On the northwest corner of that intersection is the Cliff Temple Baptist Church Sunday School Bldg.
The northeast corner of that intersection is now a parking lot.
103 N. Beckley Ave. = Walker's Texaco Service Station
Walker, Reagan L. Walker. Walker's Texaco Service Station 103 N. Beckley Ave.
10th west from Beckley = 109 W. 10th is the Debrocque Appts.
According to Google Maps, 109 W. 10th is now a bus station
121 – 126 W. 10th is the Cliff Temple Baptist Church and Annex
10th east from Beckley = 101 E. 10th is the YMCA Oak Cliff Branch
102 E. 10th was the Dunnigan H O Service Station
Dunnigan, Howard O. Dunnigan H O Service Station 102 E. 10th. Spouse Thelma L. Thelma owned Thelma's Beauty Salon. home address and address of beauty shop: 2930 W. Jefferson Blvd.
102 E. 10th is now F&W Auto Sales tel. 946-5504 Used Car Sales. It appears run down and abandoned.
This raises several possibilities:
1) Hutson's account of a stop at a Mobil gas station so Hawkins could make a phone call was totally fabricated. There is no reference to this phone call in the Dispatch tapes, nor do Baggett or Hawkins reference it in their after-action reports or in Hawkins' WC testimony;
2) Hutson mistook Walker's Texaco Station or Dunnigan's Service Station as a Mobil station;
3) The possible involvement of one or more people at either the Walker Texaco station or Dunnigan's Service Station that has never come to light, that Hutson tried to hide by mislabeling it as a Mobil station;
4) something that I haven't thought of.
It's all very curious.
Steve Thomas
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Nice company you keep.
The Kane Republican from Kane, Pennsylvania · October 23, 1954 Page 5
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/49853892/
“The idle Olean refinery of the Socony Vacuum Oil Co. at Olean will be dismantled and the property offered for sale soon. Announcement of the acquisition of the refinery machinery and property by C. J. Simpson of the C. J. Simpson Drilling Co. of Dallas, Texas, was made in New York. Mr. Simpson will remove some of the refining equipment and ship it to Cuba. 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.J._Simpson_Drilling_Company
The C. J. Simpson Drilling Company was an oil company active in the 1950s in the United States and Cuba. Its activities included buying a 7,150-barrel Olean, New York oil refinery from Socony-Vacuum Oil Company in 1954 and moving it to Cuba. In 1959 it signed a $10m contract with YPF of Argentina to drill 300 oil wells.
C.J. Simpson Drilling Co. (Clarence J. Simpson) 1520 Life of America Bldg. Dallas, TX.
Portal to Texas History Dallas City Directory. 1957 p. 1187
There is also a C.J. Trucking Co. listed under C.J. Simpson listed at 4224 W. Illinois in Dallas, Tx. (Is this his home address?)
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806909/m1/1511/?q=Henry%20County%20Settlement
From Mary Ferrell's Database:
Record: ECHEVARRIA, HOMER (HOMERIO) SAMUEL VALDIVIA
Born at Jatibonico, Camaguay, Cuba. Employed by C. J. Simpson Drilling Co., resided briefly in Dallas at 10353 Denton Drive. Fled Castro's Cuba.
Approached Thomas Mosley in Chicago about buying machine guns.
CD 87. p. 670 (Part of SS submissions to Warren Commission Control# 477)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490#relPageId=670&tab=page
Echevarria – employed by C.J. Simpson Drilling Co..
Simpson owned vast oil interests in Cuba until Castro takeover. Simpson moved to Mt. Pleasant, MI.
“The trial of the C4 Seven”
http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/11/22/barry-seal-the-dallas-get-away-plane-the-jfk-assassination/
"One clue to (Barry) Seal’s status is that, after having been caught illegally exporting 7 tons of C4 explosives, no one was in any hurry to bring him to trial.
“I worked for the CJ Simpson de Cuba Drilling Company, which had three rotary drilling rigs operating in Cuba. Whether you or any of your associates are aware of the number of “implements of war” shipped by that company out of the United States as components of drilling equipment, I have no idea. But I advise you to find out! "
Mobil was previously known as the as the Socony-Vacuum Oil Company
https://www.revolvy.com/topic/Socony-Vacuum%20Oil%20Company&item_type=topic
https://www.revolvy.com/topic/Vacuum%20Oil%20Company&item_type=topic
Vacuum Oil Company
"Vacuum Oil Company was an American oil company known for their Gargoyle 600-W Steam Cylinder Oil. Vacuum Oil merged with Standard Oil Co of New York, commonly known as Socony Oil to form Socony-Vacuum Oil Company, and is now a part of ExxonMobil.
Vacuum Oil and Standard Oil of New York (Socony) merged in 1931, after the government gave up attempts to prevent it. At the time, the newly combined company made Socony-Vacuum Corp. the 3rd largest oil company, worldwide. Everest remained with the firm, and was given a salaried job as president.
During World War II, the Tschechowitz I & II subcamps of Auschwitz in Czechowice-Dziedzice provided forced labor for Vacuum Oil Company facilities in Poland which were captured and operated by Nazi Germany.
In 1955, the company became Socony Mobil Oil Company. In 1963 it was renamed Mobilgas then just Mobil.
In 1887, founder Hiram Bond Everest and son Charles M. Everest were charged with conspiracy to destroy competitor Buffalo Lubricating Oil Co. It is said that they were attempting to destroy the buildings, preventing them from manufacturing petroleum products, as well as acquiring their skilled employees. One said employee included Albert A. Miller who was being bribed to construct defective machinery so that it would explode. Hiram Everest and Charles Everest were both found guilty.
In 1907 the Vacuum Oil, Standard Oil, New York Central Railroad, and Pennsylvania Railroad were all indicted for violations in Inter-State Commerce laws. Vacuum Oil was charged for shipping 228 cars of petroleum and petroleum products to Standard Oil at unlawful rates via the New York Central RR and Pennsylvania RR."
Nice guys.
Steve Thomas
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Dallas 1961 City Directory.
This may be old hat to some, but I just ran across this. I don't know how many times in the past when I wished I had access to one.
Thank you UNT Libraries !
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/
Steve Thomas
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On 3/17/2017 at 7:20 AM, Steve Thomas said:
The account of T.A. Hutson is very interesting.
J.D. Tippit is shot. Multiple units respond. A search of the houses in the vicinity is undertaken. The search of the houses proves fruitless. A suspect is spotted at the Library. Multiple units respond.
Sometime between the search of the houses and the sighting of a suspect at the Library, Hawkins and Hutson make a stop at a Mobile Gas Station at 10th and Beckley to make a phone call, supposedly in response from a request from Dispatch to call in.
Mr. HUTSON. We proceeded west on 10th Street to Beckley, and we pulled into the Mobil gas station at Beckley and 10th Street.
Mr. BELIN. That is a Mobil gas station?
Very interesting.
Mr. HUTSON. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. HUTSON. And Officer Ray Hawkins and Officer Baggett went inside of the Mobil gas station. And I am not positive, but I think they used the telephone to call in.
I am not positive, but I believe they gave us a call for us to call. I mean their number to call in.Steve Thomas
WC Testimony of Kenneth Croy:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/croy.htm
“Mr. CROY. I am in the real estate business. I have a Mobil service station. I am in the steel erection business. And I am a professional cowboy, and that is about it that I can think of right now. “
Intriguing possibility...
Steve Thomas
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On 1/19/2008 at 11:13 AM, Mark Stapleton said:
Bernice ,
Thanks for that. (The Mary Ferrell database has listed HE's height as 3'9", btw.)
On 1/19/2008 at 11:13 AM, Mark Stapleton said:Record: ECHEVARRIA, HOMER (HOMERIO) SAMUEL VALDIVIA
Sources: CD 87, pp. 1-8 SS 336, SS 443, SS 477, SS 523, SS 626; HSCA Reel 52, Box 29, Folder F (AMKW 29) re Homer Samuel ECHEVARRIA Valdivia; FBI JFK 124- 10027-10044, Lifton's pp. 43-44
Mary's
Comments: White, male Cuban. 32, 3' 9", 160 lbs, black hair, mustache, olive complexion. In Chicago, he maintained steady employment as Chicago transit authority bus driver. Son of Ebelia Echevarria, a "source" for the Chicago office of the FBI. Born at Jatibonico, Camaguay, Cuba. Employed by C. J. Simpson Drilling Co., resided briefly in Dallas at 10353 Denton Drive. Fled Castro's Cuba.
“The trial of the C4 Seven”
http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/11/22/barry-seal-the-dallas-get-away-plane-the-jfk-assassination/
"One clue to (Barry) Seal’s status is that, after having been caught illegally exporting 7 tons of C4 explosives, no one was in any hurry to bring him to trial.
But when they did, an extraordinary document surfaced, which clearly shows that Barry Seal viewed his participation in the Kennedy assassination as a bargaining chip, a laminated "get out of jail" card to be for the rest of his life.
Both the prosecutor and the judge received an anonymous (though the envelope bearing the letter is clearly in Barry Seal’s handwriting) letter threatening that unless the charges were dismissed, the sender would blow the cover off matters pertaining to “national security.”
The heading reads “CJ Simpson de Cuba.”
“I worked for the CJ Simpson de Cuba Drilling Company, which had three rotary drilling rigs operating in Cuba. Whether you or any of your associates are aware of the number of “implements of war” shipped by that company out of the United States as components of drilling equipment, I have no idea. But I advise you to find out! "
I'm just sayin...
Steve Thomas
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8 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
Well I was being a bit coy Steve, actually I think there is a reasonable chance that Odio was being monitored and I would not be terribly surprised if Oswald had been either asking about her or in contact with her or for that matter if the "visit" was a diversion after the fact. Problem is I just see no way to know for sure.
However, since we know that residents of the Harlandale house were being investigated and that the FBI even had an informant in that group, I think chances are probably best in that direction as far as what Hosty was talking about - I especially feel that way since we got a photo of Masen and I don't see the faintest resemblance to Oswald. I just don't know what made Dick Russell even think that. My bet is that Oswald was a visitor and that he was described in a surveillance report...
Larry,
I had been going on the assumption that Raul Castro and Juan Quintana were double agents, sent to Mexico ostensibly to train as crop dusters and then told to defect to the U.S. and infiltrate the anti-Castro Cuban exile community. They talked the talk, and went to anti-Castro rallies. Attended the Stevenson rally where he got bonked on the head. Bought a John Birch Society bumper sticker for their car that read, “Kan the Kennedy Klan” that they changed to “Kill the Kennedy Klan”.They were discovered by the exiles as Castro agents however, and the Rambler that Raoul Castro owned had a part to play in the JFK assassination, and they became patsies to blame the murder on Castro?
Your comments now have me speculating on the possibility that as false defectors, they had been discovered and had beed turned by the FBI. It's like that old Mad Magazine, Spy vs. Spy series isn't it?
Steve Thomas
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7 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Steve:
You don't really believe that the two guys with either Oswald or an imposter at Odio's door were there for that purpose do you?
Its pretty obvious to almost anyone who has studied that incident that this was clearly a pretext.
Jim,
No. That's why I used the word "supposedly".
You don't travel eight hours or so in the wrong direction to get a letter translated.
"Supposedly" (again), when the three guys showed up at Sylvia's door, they were looking for Sarita. I've often wondered if Sarita was working with either Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro or this "George Parrell) ala Frank Ellsworth's information. This "George Parrell" and Sarita were both students at the Dallas City College. (See page three of this SS Agent Rowley's April, 1964 memo: http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=2&tab=page
Frank Ellsworth told the Secret Service that John Thomas Masen had told him (Ellsworth) that Manuel Rodriguuez Orcarberro had tried to buy bazookas, machine guns, and other heavy equipment from him (Masen).
The word, "bazookas" picqued my interest. Wasn't Veciana involved in a failed bazooka attack on Castro that led him to hide out on the Odio farm?
In my mind anyway, bazookas are a step up from the "small arms" that Juan Martin was supposedly trying to sell.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
Steve, I think that is the only documentation we have on that, only Patterson's story of the remarks by Hosty - clearly it made a strong impression on him. Can't say that is surprising.
As to subversives vs. subversive agents, I can say that Heitman was in the midst of an investigation of an individual living at the House on Harlandale who was suspected of being a Castro agent so that might qualify. If Oswald was there that would give you one suspect. I gather from the research I've done that there were suspicions Alpha 66 and DRE were being penetrated by other agents so that could explain a second suspect.
The thing is this sounds pretty personal, not like Oswald was in some larger meeting with suspects but actually had personal contact. We could get wild and crazy and say was Sylvia Odio and her little sister who was going to college and hanging with some known radical DRE types who were hunting weapons...but I'm not ready to go there yet.
I don't think Oswald contact two FBI agents handling subversive tasks would classify as Top Secret - unless it revealed Oswald was an active FBI informant. I can only repeat what I said before, the remarks by Patterson were something that Hosty totally refused to discuss with me, otherwise he was very open and even discussed some pretty strong assertions such as Oswald being under FBI surveillance in MC. He was very much a gentleman about it all though, and was well received when he agreed to speak at the Lancer conference one year.
Larry,,
I spent some time a while back assembling notes about the men being sent from Cuba to Mexico to be trained as "crop duster pilots", who later defected to the U.S.
Raul Castro and Juan Quintana, SNFE/Alpha 66 officers of the Dallas Chapter were two of those.
You are more, um, generous of Odio than I am. I think she had more of an interest in gun running than people have given her credit for.
Commission Document 946 - SS Aragon Report of 5 May 1964 re: Sylvia Odio, Rogelio Cisneros Diaz page 3
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11342&search=%22Juan_Martin%22#relPageId=4&tab=page
On May 4, 1964 in an interview in his home with SS Agent Ernest I. Aragon, Cisneros told Aragon that:
Rogelio Cisneros, a JURE member in Miami, went to Dallas alone, by plane in June, 1963 for the specific purpose of meeting Sylvia Odio who was supposed to introduce Cisneros to a Uruguayan named Juan Martin, who was interested in selling small arms to JURE.
The JURE office in Dallas was already in operation, having been established in May, 1963. He only contacted Sylvia Odio once.
Cisneros is interested in buying guns. Juan or Johnny Martin is interested in selling guns. They use Sylvia Odio as the middle man - or middle woman.
The three guys who came to visit Sylvia Odio supposedly came to get a letter translated so they could raise money to buy guns.
So that's two men, or groups of men who were interested in buying or selling guns who go to Sylvia Odio.
Makes me go, hmmm.
Steve Thomas
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20 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:
It was the conversation with the Secret Service agent William Patterson (who was first to interview Marina Oswald later) Sat morning at police headquarters in which Hosty told him Oswald had been seen two weeks before with known subversives and that a classified security report had been filed. Hosty expressed a belief that the classified file would be handed over but it never was. Paterson was not interviewed by the WC. Patterson prepared an SS memo on the conversation but was never questioned further about it. (see SWHT 2020 p198 - 199)
The exchange with Revill was another, separate incident and would seem to confirm that at point in time Hosty was very well aware of a subversive file related to Oswald and assumed it would become part of the investigation.
Larry,
I can't speak to the question of a memo, but Patterson's account of his conversation with Hosty appears on page 18 of his (Patterson's) testimony before the Church Committee on 11/21/1975. see here:
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1431&search="William_Patterson"#relPageId=18&tab=page
One thing I have never been able to satisfactorily answer for myself is whether Hosty told Patterson that Oswald had been seen with two "subversives", or two "subversive agents".
In his testimony, Patterson said that Hosty was on the "Subversive Desk", and then immediately goes on to say, "He (Hosty) stated that Oswald had contacted two known subversive agents about 15 days before the shooting, but the entire information was top secret and he couldn't tell me any more..."
Did Hosty mean that Oswald had contacted two known subversives, or that he had contacted two agents on the "Subvesrive Desk"?
This would have been right around the time of the destroyed "Hosty note."
Steve Thomas
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22 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:
I think the financing came from Texas, possibly the same guys that funded Operation 40
Paul,
Here are just some random notes that I've taken:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/raigorod.htm
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Then, I lived in Houston until about 1949 or 1950 and I got sick with my back. You know, I have a very bad back. They wanted to operate on me there but Jake Hamon here, a friend of mine, told me that he wouldn't speak to me unless I come to Dallas, so believe or not, they brought me to Dallas.
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, let's say that I met George De Mohrenschildt in Dallas, I'll say 15 or 17 years ago, somewhere in that neighborhood.
Mr. JENNER. Had you heard of him prior to that time?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes; I heard of him through Jake Hamon.
Mr. JENNER. Through Mr. Hamon?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Hamon, H-a-m-o-n [spelling]--Jake
.Mr. JENNER. Who is he?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. He is an oilman friend of mine here, quite well known, and he told me there was a Russian here do I know him, and I said, "No; I hadn't heard about him." That's how I met him--at a party.
Mr. JENNER. You are talking about George De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes.
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. He was a consultant to the Yugoslavian Government. In fact, he was sent to Yugoslavian Government with the blessing of our Government, maybe---I don't know under what protocol that we were helping the Yugoslavians, and he went over there but peculiarly, in order to receive the appointment he had to have recommendations of some man known in the industry, and he didn't come to me---I can say this--I don't brag, but if he came to me that would have meant something to him because I was with the Government on a couple or two or three times, but instead of that he goes to Jake Hamon, a close friend of mine, and asked him for a recommendation on that job. Jake said he would not give him a recommendation unless he consults me. That surprised me that he wouldn't ask me right off the bat, but he went around about way. What could I do? Of course I said, technically on the job he is perfectly all right, I mean, he is a good engineer--good petroleum engineer.
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. George has been friends with many, many influential people in many cities.
Mr. DAVIS. In all of them, I imagine.
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Is he a namedropper--is he a man who seeks to be friends of important people?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. No--he was my friend, I was his friend--he was Jake Hamon's friend and Jake Hamon was his friend.
Between Two Worlds, by Peter Applebome.
https://books.google.com/books?id=SCsEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq="Jake+Hamon"&source=bl&ots=92o5DJpss6&sig=CaLj2-EcG8m_-3jlFldJrvMm3FQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5uaPxrprUAhWZ2YMKHQzSCOkQ6AEIWzAN#v=onepage&q=%22Jake%20Hamon%22&f=false
pp. 106+
Jake L. (Louis) Hamon, multi-millionaire. Worth 200 million. Gin rummy partner of H.L. Hunt. A director of American Petroleum Institute. Youngest man ever to have served s its Chairman. (p. 107).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_L._Hamon,_Jr.
Jake L. (Louis) Hamon was a personal friend of former US President George H.W. Bush.[4] Hamon and his wife visited the Bushes in China when Bush served as Envoy to China in March 1975.[4]
Bush, George W. (2014). 41: A Portrait of My Father. London: Ebury Publishing. p. 114. ISBN 9780553447781. OCLC 883645289
Hamon died in 1985 while he was on vacation in Amsterdam
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities Book 22 p. 10333.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145153&relPageId=145&search=Hamon
Jake Hamon of 4738 Shadywood Lane, Dallas, TX appears in Rosemary Woods list of Nixon's 1972 contributors for $25,000.
(Howard Hughes appears for $16,666.66 *smile*)
March 5, 1964 FBI Interview of Jake Hamon, 500 Vaughn Building. Interview conducted by SA Richard L. Wiehl CD 555. p. 43.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10954&relPageId=44&search=Hamon
First met George DeMohrenschildt in 1847 in Rangely, CO.
Said DeMohrenschildt was an inferior geologist.
Said Demohrenschildt's closest associate was Paul Raigorodsky.
Hamon said that DeMohrenschildt was a “good looking nothing”, and that if he could take him or leave him, he would leave him”.
DEEP POLITICSDOCTOBER 24, 2013 RUSS BAKER
BUSH AND THE JFK HIT, PART 6: THE COLD WAR COMES TO DALLAS
https://whowhatwhy.org/2013/10/24/bush-and-the-jfk-hit-part-6-the-cold-war-comes-to-dallas/
“(Jack) Crichton, who had been hired soon after leaving the military in 1946 by oil industry wunderkind Everett (Lee) DeGolyer, quickly became a go-to guy for numerous powerful interests seeking a foothold in the energy arena.
In a 2001 oral history, Crichton volunteered that he was a friend of George de Mohrenschildt’s: “I liked George. He was a nice guy.””
See vol 9 of the WC Hearings – the testimony of Paul M. Raigorodsky.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/raigorod.htm
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. “I was asked to come to Washington to organize the Department of Natural Gas and Natural Gasoline Industries for the United States, which I did, and then I had to open--I worked under DeGolyer.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everette_Lee_DeGolyer
“During World War II, Everette Lee DeGolyer served as director of conservation with the Office of the Coordinator for National Defense from 1941 to 1942. He was assistant deputy of the Petroleum Administration for War in 1942-43, and was in charge of the Petroleum Reserves Corporation mission to the Middle East in 1943-44 He was president of the American Institute of Mining and Metallurgical Engineers in 1927, and was a director of the American Petroleum Institute for twenty years. In 1946, working on behalf of the Office of Strategic Services, the forerunner to the Central Intelligence Agency, DeGolyer recruited Jack Crichton of Dallas, to operate a group of companies which frequently were given new names, presumably to make it more difficult to trace their operations. Crichton became a prominent oil and gas industrialist...”
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Ron Ecker said:
Steve, you need to read Brzezinski's book The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives. He argues that the U.S. has to control the grand chessboard, which is the Eurasian landmass.
Ron,
Thank you. I've brushed up against Brzezinski's book, but haven't read it yet. Central Asia is the Grand Chessboard; or the "Great Game" as it was called once upon a time.
My gut is telling me...
Steve Thomas
Did the Dallas Radical Right kill JFK?
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Paul,
I went through those files a while back, and from what I could gather, there was a real flurry of FBI activity against the Minutemen in January of 1964. The number of memos back and forth really picked up. It seemed like there was a real (or imagined) fear of a Minuteman uprising at that time; or at least that's the line Hoover was pushing.
The HSCA didn't instigate those FBI files in 1977, that's just when they requested the FBI to hand them over.
Steve Thomas