Steve Thomas

Ah yes. 

From Mary Ferrell Database - Ray Hawkins
Dallas Police Department Patrolman. Friend of Jack Ruby. Name in Crafard's notebook (Ruby's).
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/marysdb.php?id=4658

DPD Archives

Box 18, Folder# 6, Item# 13 p. 2   (pages from Jack Ruby's notebook)
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm

Ray Hawkins 5119 Live Oak    TA 1 5196

WC Hearings and Exhibits 25H168
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141#relPageId=198&tab=page

Memo from Westbrook to Curry dated December 12, 1963

Had a membership card to Carousel Club. Said he had been in there 2 or 3 times and that Ruby said he would give him a permanent pass but never received.

However:

There was a permanent pass to the Carousel Club issued to a Ray Hawkins at City Hall.
Pass# 227
CE 1322 p. 502
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=532&tab=page

A fellow officer has been shot. There is an armed and dangerous suspect on the loose. Hawkins responds to the Tippit shooting, but doesn't stop at 10th and Patton. He goes to the Library neighborhood at Jefferson and Marsalis and starts circling the neighborhood. He drives back to 10th and Patton, picks up Hutson, and then he and Baggett stop and make a phone call from a Mobil Gas Station at 10th and Beckley, leaving Hutson in the car. This call does not show up on the police dispatch tapes, nor does Hawkins inform dispatch that he is going to be out of the car. When Hutson blows the siren to let them know that a suspect has been seen at the Library, they go rushing back over there.

Is it possible that J.D. Tippit and Hawkins were calling the same people? and was that person Jack Ruby to let him know that they couldn't find Oswald?

Is it possible that the car Earlene Roberts saw was not 207, but 211 -  Ray Hawkins car?

Was Hawkins' job to kill Oswld? Apprehend him and keep him from talking to anybody? or at least be present so that if he did talk to somebody else, report back to hire-ups what Oswald was saying?

Steve Thomas

Posted by Michael Clark in the Education Forum on the "Bishop" Thread (4/11/2017?) I think.

"Testimony of George Senator.

Senator is being asked, name-by-name, if he recognizes any names written in Jack Ruby's address book...

3 hours ago, David Lifton said:

Steve,

I think its likely that Oswald would have been shot dead in the building by a law enforcement officer who encountered him either on an upper floor, or on the stairway coming down.

DSL

4/11/2017 8:55 a.m. PDT

Los Angeles, California

David,

Shot while trying to escape. Yeah, there is that.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Ray Mitcham said:

I agree with your comments, Steve. After JFK was murdered, Jackie became the ex President's wife, with no special privileges. 

Ray,

I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree.

Jackie had all the "special privileges". As JFK's legal heir, no one else had any.

We know there was a pushing match in the hallway. We know that Jackie was standing right there.

We know that Earl Rose was saying, "No, it's Texas State Law..."

Who convinced Jackie to ignore that and how?

Steve Thomas

19 hours ago, David Lifton said:

 

There’s little question in my mind that Oswald was ever supposed to leave the building alive. 

David,

I just ask this out of curiosity and not for any other reason.

What do you think would have been the scenario?

A lengthy standoff?

A discovery of LHO hiding?

A shootout?  Doesn't seem like there would be enough bulletis in the rifle for a shootout.

Oswald rushing the police armed with?

A throwdown gun?  Planted by which likely culprit? 

Steve Thomas

Is there a record of anyone ever explaining to Jackie Kennedy that state law required the autopsy to be performed in Texas, and that she would be breaking the law to have JFK's body taken out of state?

I have no problem believing that LBJ would have no concerns about this trifling little legal problem, but I've always wondered how Jackie overcame that in her own mind. 

I don't care how you want to phrase loyalty and/or love for JFK by the Secret Service, or LBJ's fears of national security; legally the Secret Service's oversight of JFK, and LBJ's paranoia, ended when JFK died. 

Who convinced Jackie it was okay and how?

Steve Thomas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Guérin-Sérac
Yves Guérin-Sérac, real name Yves Guillou (alias Jean-Robert de Guernadec, alias Ralf) (born 1926 in Ploubezre) was a French anti-Communist Roman Catholic activist, former officer of the French army and veteran of the First Indochina War (1945–54), the Korean War (1950–53) and the Algerian War of Independence (1955–62). He was also a member of the elite troop of the 11ème Demi-Brigade Parachutiste du Choc, which worked with the SDECE (French intelligence agency) and a founding member of the Organisation armée secrète (OAS) a terrorist group which fought against Algerian independence in 1961-62.

Remember what Perez told Fensterwald?
"Perez said (to Fensterwald?) that, post 1962, Souetre was part of an ultra-right, ultra-Catholic splinter group which included four men named Pichon, Lefevre, Bourget, and Grossouvre. Group called Integraliste 
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/S Disk/Souetre Jean with aka's/Item 11.pdf
page 4"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Guérin-Sérac
It had been alleged that he was an instigator of the so-called strategy of tension in Italy, and the main organizer of the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing.In June 1962, after the 18 March 1962 Évian Accords that put an end to the Algerian War, Yves Guérin-Sérac was engaged by Franco to engage in operations against the Spanish opposition. He then worked for Salazar's Estado Novo regime in Portugal, which, beside being the last colonial empire, was also in his eyes the last stronghold against communism and atheism:
It was within this context that he erected Aginter Press in 1965 as a secret anti-communist army with the support of both the PIDE and the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Aginter Press set up training camps in which it instructed mercenaries and terrorists in a three-week course in covert action techniques including hands-on bomb terrorism, silent assassination, subversion techniques, clandestine communication and infiltration and colonial warfare. 

"The others have laid down their weapons, but not I. After the OAS I fled to Portugal to carry on the fight and expand it to its proper dimensions - which is to say, a planetary dimension." 

Paris Match, November 1974, quoted in Stuart Christie, Stefano Delle Chiaie (London, Anarchy Publications, 1984, p.27) 

Well-rounded kind of a guy. He walked the walk, and talked the talk.
That's one of the people Souetre fell in with post-1962.

Steve Thomas
 

4 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

That all seems credible to me Steve, certainly the OAS was reaching out to the US and the CIA in order to undermine DeGaulle. Hunt was in Spain supporting the Artime project by 64, but probably not in 63...its just so easy to toss Hunt's name in anywhere and make things look suspicious...grin.  If OAS reps met with somebody I certainly can see it being Angleton, especially since they were claiming Russian infiltration in Paris. Guerin Serac is new to me but through the fifties and into the sixties global warfare and nuclear warfare were just constants, you ran into it everywhere - well at least anybody my age did. . 

Larry,

"its just so easy to toss Hunt's name in anywhere and make things look suspicious...grin."

You got that right.

"If OAS reps met with somebody I certainly can see it being Angleton..."

My bet is on Irving Brown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Brown

He was involved in Algeria, Chile (Allende), Africa, Western Europe (Spain and France), a real "get around" guy. Meaning he ceratinly got around a lot.

If I understand it, he may have been advising the French generals during the April, 1961 putsch in Algeria.

Yves Guerin-Serac - total war across all specrtrums of society - religious, cultural, economic, military. 

He had a real global and take no prisoners outlook.

Reading him and Roger Trinquer (a great believer in torture to get information) together will keep you up at nights.

Steve Thomas

15 hours ago, Jeffrey Reilley said:

Yeah the more I read, the more I became skeptical of the veracity of the text. Still though, very interesting and eye opening, even if only half of what is written in there is true.

Jeff,

Don't stop.

Always question. Double check and cross reference.

Be skeptical.

These are good.

Steve Thomas

13 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Steve, I would be interested in seeing which of the points you find verifiable...and if they are really abnormal.  What we do know is that the OAS, and Souetre were working against deGaulle...there were three assassination attempts on him in 1963, five in 1964 and three more in 1965. They also reached out to the CIA trying to sell the line about deGaulle's government being heavily penetrated by communists hence untrustworthy and dangerous. Angleton actually bit on the OAS accusations and spent time on them in 1963, with his usual enthusiasm and lack of success. Both the CIA and FBI had an interest in and files on Souetre. Check pages 367, 368 and 377 for what we do know about the OAS and Souetre in that period.  I also mentioned other things discussed above as unverified...with what I learned later I wish I had just left them out but hey, researdh marches on...

Larry,

I liked your line about Angleton's "usual enthusiasm and lack of success" It made me smile.

These are just a couple of things I have learned.

Perez said (to Fensterwald?) that, post 1962, Souetre was part of an ultra-right, ultra-Catholic splinter group which included four men named Pichon, Lefevre, Bourget, and Grossouvre. Group called Integraliste 
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/S Disk/Souetre Jean with aka's/Item 11.pdf
page 4

Albert Lefevre was the one man I could find that both stood trial with Souetre in December, 1961 and who escaped with him from the Camp at St. Maurice L'Ardoise in February, 1962.

I have not researched the Integraliste organization.

Head of the OAS ORO Branch, 
Organisation-Renseignement-Opération (read Propaganda), Jean-Claude Perez  told Fensterwald on Saturday, November 20, 1982 that:
“The OAS had contact  in New Orleans with an anti-Castro group which he called the “Rosa Blanca”

The Rosa Blanca was a real network that was established in 1959 in New Orleans to oppose Castro.
So far, everything I have seen indicates to me that they were benign.

I believe that a representative of the CIA did meet with Souetre and either Yves Guérin-Sérac or Pierre Sergeant in Lisbon in May, 1963 (“I've seen both men mentioned).

I think they were trying to tip the Americans off that DeGaulle wasn't going to be part of the picture too much longer, if you get my drift.
I'm not convinced it was Hunt they met with. I think Hunt said he hadn't been back to Spain after 1962.
I think it was more likely Brown.

I believe the part about the KGB infiltrating the SDECE. It was the same thing that Vosjoli and Goytsin were telling the Americains. This information was causing the Americains great consternation. I think Kennedy even wrote DeGaulle a handwritten letter about it. I think the French were trying to steal American nuclear technology and it was getting back to the Russians.

After his escape from the prison camp in February, 1962, I wondered how, on foot, he was able to get from the southern coast of France to Spain in 1963. I think it was through the efforts of Pierre Guillaume – head of the naval section of the OAS, and naval advisor to one of the Putsch generals, but I can't remember if it was Gardy, or Jouhaud. Souetre would take Guillaume's place in the OAS when Guillaume was arrested in 1962.

Les soldats perdus : des anciens de l'OAS racontent

Author:
Vincent Quivy

“ Without economy and without resources since he had deserted, Soueter was trying to work to earn enough.

In the autumn of 1963, however, he received 1 million old francs which enabled him to buy a business on the beach in Palma de Mallorca, Spain.”

The OAS veterans who made it to the Balearic Islands were destitute.
I'm not sure about the 1 milliion francs. Quivy doesn't say who gave it to him.

http://jeanjviala.free.fr/1963 a 1965.htm
Le colonel Broizat vivait à Madrid, Joseph Ortiz, le docteur Kovacs, Jacques Achard et Jean-René Souètre à Palma de Majorque, Athanase Georgeopoulos, Robert Tabarot, Michel de la Bigne et Camille Vignau dans la région d'Alicante ... "En situation irrégulière, ils ne pouvaient obtenir un emploi et vivaient dans le dénuement". Anne Dulphy L'algérie française et l'Espagne franquiste in l'Algérianiste, numéro 121 mars 2008.

“In an irregular situation, the were not able to obtain employment and lived in destitution”.

Palma de Mallorca is the major city and capital city of the autonomous community of the Balearic Islands in Spain. It is situated on the south coast of the island on the Bay of Palma. As of the 2009 census, the population of the city of Palma proper was 401,270, and the population of the entire urban area was 517,285, ranking as the twelfth largest urban area of Spain - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palma,_Majorca

He would  return to Palma de Majorque in 1971 after his sojourn in Africa with the Tschombe affair.

From everything I have read of Souetre's writings, I believe patriot - yes, as he saw patriotism.

Assassin - no.

Like I said, these are just a couple of things.

PS: Have you ever read any of the writings of Guerin Serac? Total war on a global scale.

Some scary stuff.

Steve Thomas
 

3 hours ago, Jeffrey Reilley said:

 

"...a) met Howard Hunt and Jean Claude Perez (Chief of ORO) in Madrid; went

to the Caribbean with Laszlo Varga, Lajos Marton, and

Buscia;

c) went to New Orleans and met with Carlos Bringuier; d) went to Dallas and

met with General Edwin Walker; e) went to Lake Pointchartrain and helped'

train anti-Casto Cubans. It is known, in any event, that during this period

he had many contacts with anit-Castro Cubans. It is also known that he visited

Spain in July, 1963."- on page 14.

Well, that seems a bit concerning...

Jeff,

That's what I mean by second and third hand information.

I'd like to see some first person accounts.

It's logical he would have been in Spain in July. He lived there most of the time - there and Lisbon.

Steve Thomas

Steve Thomas

7 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Steve, looked into that long ago and found that he visited New Orleans in 1960 and that was it; not in 1963.

https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/visits/france

 

He was planning to visit Mexico in 1964 and did so in March of that  year.  That's about as close as you can get him..

 

Larry,

Thanks.

I wonder who gave Fensterwald that specific date?

*shrug*

Steve Thomas

12 hours ago, Gerry Simone said:

I don't think it was for the sole purpose of getting rid of Castro.  Those guys believed that the USA could win in a nuclear exchange with the Soviets (if one can believe that anyone could win a nuclear world war).

Gerry,

Just a little quick side note, and off topic at that, I'm afraid...

But you might be interested in scrolling down through this site:

http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/CGSC/CARL/download/csipubs/TheIntegratedBattlefield_HellerSnoke.pdf

I'm afraid I can't provide any full text of the articles, but just scrolling through the bibliography will make your blood run cold.

Steve Thomas

On 4/6/2017 at 10:55 AM, Steve Thomas said:

 

A Possible French Connection
http://www.xiconhoca.org/PDF/DDeRoux/Apossiblefrenchconnection.pdf

In a lawsuit initiated by Gary Shaw against the Department of State, and filed by Bernard Fensterwald, it says, “Equally, when DeGaulle visited New Orleans on May 3, 1963, there was a plot against his life by OAS sympathizers...all of which has been confirmed by one of those sympathizers”.

 

Does anyone know much about this visit by DeGaulle to New Orleans in May, 1963?

Lee Harvey Oswald had moved there shortly before that.

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

This is on page 7 of Fensterwald's memo, page 9 of the pdf file.

I've been looking and I can find no record or newspaper article of this visit.

Steve Thomas

12 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

 

And I repeat myself, our players had no interest in bringing dark, Spanish-Speaking catholic folk, 90 miles away, into the heart of the nascent new world order.

Michael,

I have mulled this over in my mind for years, and haven't figured out a way to express it, but that's why I haven't given too much credence to the idea of the ultra far right fringe like the KKK or the Knights of Shickshimmey or whatever cooperating much with the anti-Castro exiles. I think they would have been perfectly willing to sit back and watch their little brown brothers kill each other off.

Steve Thomas 

On 4/4/2017 at 8:32 AM, David Lifton said:

To all:

I’m going to jump in here and present my view—which, by the way, I have already stated (to some extent) in my appearance at Bismarck, North Dakota in November 2013 (Google, David Lifton, Bismarck) and in the November 2016 Night Fright Show (with host Brent Holland), just a few months ago.

10.  Finally, and this is my personal opinion (which I will be writing about in Final Charade, or in an auxiliary essay): the original assassination, as planned, was for the fall of 1961. Certain unexpected events occurred which resulted in it being postponed until November 1963.  This fact is important in properly interpreting certain historical data pertaining to the evolution of the event.

 

David,

What do you think of the idea that Kennedy's body was removed from the coffin right there at Parkland?

That would explain:

1) The tunnels

2) herding the candy stripers etc. to a central area

3) taping over the windows

4) the fight over the coffin in the hallway

PS: Was there something going on in the fall of 1961 that you are thinking of besides the Bay of Pigs aftermath?

Or would that be giving too much away prior to your book?

Steve Thomas

43 minutes ago, Jeffrey Reilley said:

but a police officer that spoke to a man that was posing as a Secret Service agent in close proximity to a spot that a lot of individuals thought shots were fired from, wasn't questioned more. Again, I could be way off here,... 

Jeff,

No, you're spot on.

And Ron, I think that's Seymour Weitzman you're thinking of.

Steve Thomas

15 hours ago, Jeffrey Reilley said:

Does anyone know if Joe Marshall Smith was ever questioned at length after the Warren Commission? Shown pictures of possible people that could have had phony SS credentials?

Jeff,

CD 205 p. 39.
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672#relPageId=42

U.S. Attorney Barefoot Sanders speaks of receiving a telephone call from a reporter who had interviewed Smith.
It also says that two FBI Agents had interviewed Smith. You could try running their names down and see if they filed any reports.

There's a Jackie Jura, who has a web page, 
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkpicketfencesmithpoliceman.shtml

in which she wrote:

“Ronnie Dugger, editor of THE TEXAS OBSERVER, questioned Smith, and the officer told Dugger that he had gone directly to the area behind the fence”. 

You could try and see if Dugger is still alive, or if his article can be found.

Joe Smith died in 1983:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56885285

Steve Thomas
 

On 4/5/2017 at 10:29 AM, David Josephs said:

 

First off the signatures don't match, and secondly, the carbon does not match the original... and the FBI could not find any location where Oswald would have had those photos taken, in Mexico City.

 

 

David,

Technologically speaking, a photograph wouldn't bleed through to a carbon copy would it, seeing as how carbon paper works?

It would on a Xerox copy, but not carbon paper right?

Maybe that's a negative of a Xerox copy instead of the carbon copy second page of an original. 

Steve Thomas

On 4/4/2017 at 2:15 AM, Steve Thomas said:

Over the years I have seen references about Jean-Rene Souetre being in Louisiana and being at a training camp,

Steve Thomas

 

 

A Possible French Connection
http://www.xiconhoca.org/PDF/DDeRoux/Apossiblefrenchconnection.pdf

In a lawsuit initiated by Gary Shaw against the Department of State, and filed by Bernard Fensterwald, it says, “Equally, when DeGaulle visited New Orleans on May 3, 1963, there was a plot against his life by OAS sympathizers...all of which has been confirmed by one of those sympathizers”.

Does anyone know much about this visit by DeGaulle to New Orleans in May, 1963?

Lee Harvey Oswald had moved there shortly before that.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:

Steve, I share your pain.  I went on exactly that same quest and found what you are finding...nothing but third party information and in context nothing about his activities of that year or his travels which would have tended to make sense of it.  Good hunting..

 

Larry,

Thanks. It's frustrating at times, isn't it?

I spent about a year trying to get something from the French National Archives. It was only a list of names of the people who were also tried alongside of Souetre before the military tribunal in December, 1961 only to be told that it was still classified ! 

I ultimately did find it, - in a newspaper no less :-)

Steve Thomas

Over the years I have seen references about Jean-Rene Souetre being in Louisiana and being at a training camp, and or a suitcase with $200,000 in it.

I've also seen references to Souetre being in Florida in April, 1963 - perhaps the Hotel Fontainbleu?

But the only thing I have ever seen are the same second or third hand references being repeated over and over.

Has anyone ever seen a first-hand reference from someone saying, yes, I was there and yes, I saw these things?

And, if so, could you direct me to a citation or citations?

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

13 hours ago, David Josephs said:

From what I could tell from the evidence...

The three "tramps" in DP were indeed let go by Decker while the three records of arrest for Gedney, Abrams and Doyle refer to three other people who spent a couple days in Jail that weekend...  

David,

If you read the FBI Report of an interview with William Chambers here:

http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/fbi_124-10179-10312

it looks like the three were, in fact, arrested twice that day. See pp. 2-3 of Chambers' interview. That would account for their various stories about  whether they were sleeping or awake, men in different colored uniforms, whether they were in a boxcar or laying on sheets of steels, etc.

What I can't account for is why they were held by the DPD after being told they were "free to go". 

A "fall-back" position in case Oswald didn't work out perhaps?

They were released and signed out by Beck on the 26th as part of a general house cleaning along with John Elrod, Daniel Wayne Douglas, etc.

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Thomas Graves said:

I'm probably wrong on this, but wasn't that trailer destined for Florida?  Or am I thinking of a different one?

--  Tommy

Thomas,

From: G. Robert Blakey and Richard Billings. The Plot to Kill the President (1981) on the Spartacus web site:

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKhallL.htm

"In September 1963 Hall and Howard drove from Los Angeles, heading for Miami with a trailer-load of arms, but they were forced to leave the trailer in Dallas for lack of a hiding place in Florida. In October Hall and Seymour, back in Dallas to retrieve the trailer, were arrested for possession of drugs; but with the help of an influential financial supporter, they were released. They took the arms back to Miami, but the mission for which they were intended, Hall told us, was aborted in late October when he, Howard, Seymour, and some Cubans were arrested by customs officials as they were driving to their embarkation point south of Miami. No charges were filed, but their arms and equipment were confiscated, so they returned to Miami, frustrated, and in early November, headed west. All three swore they were at their respective homes - Hall and Howard in California, Seymour in Arizona - on November 22, 1963."

If my memory serves me right, the "influential financial backer" was Lester Logue, another one of those pesky Army Reserve Colonels.

Steve Thomas

On 11/28/2016 at 4:03 PM, Paul Trejo said:

Harry Dean's memoirs say that one day in mid-September, Gabby Gabaldon received a large cash donation from California Congressman John Rousselot, and he gave part of this to Loran and Larry.  After their trailer was loaded, Gabaldon gave Loran and Larry instructions to park the trailer somewhere, and pick up LHO in New Orleans, and drive LHO to Mexico City by going through Dallas, by September 26, 1963.  
--Paul Trejo 

If you look at a map, geographically speaking, this makes no sense.

Dallas, TX is 521 miles northwest of New Orleans. That would be a round trip of 1,000 miles out of your way.

You don't go from New Orleans to Mexico City by way of Dallas. You'd go through Houston.

Someone, (whoever that might be) would not undertake that trip just to get a letter translated.

Steve Thomas