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2 hours ago, Thomas Graves said:
Steve,
No, but fwiw, I seem to remember that Sylvia Odio's ex-husband was from PR, or some such thing.
-- Tommy
Thomas,
Did you happen to read that interview Weisberg did with the Castorrs'?
If you did, what did you think? It covers a lot of ground doesn't it?
General Walker's homosexuality, the fake Oswald down in Mexico City, Father McCahann hearing something in the confessional that caused him to freak out, Sylvia Odio hiding some letters in a pillow that she lost and was frantic to get back... some really interesting stuff.
PS: Somewhere in the interview, it says something about SS Agent Thomas Kelley asking Father McCahann down in New Orleans if he knew so and so that was somehow associated with this ice cream factory purchase. I haven't gone back and read Kelley's account of his interview with McCahann.
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46 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
Looks like it took place at the Castorr's home on January 3, 1968
Steve Thomas
This is a fascinating interview. Look at pp. 38 - 39.
Is this the Davis that Ruby was so concerned about, rather than Thomas Eli Davis?
Steve Thomas
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13 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
This is the transcription of notes taken by Harold Weisberg of a conversation he had with Robert and Mrs. Castorr.
I don't know when this interview took place.
Steve Thomas
Looks like it took place at the Castorr's home on January 3, 1968
Steve Thomas
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This is the transcription of notes taken by Harold Weisberg of a conversation he had with Robert and Mrs. Castorr.
I don't know when this interview took place.
W: (Weisberg)
We started to talk before about the ice cream parlors. You told
me something about this man who had/the ice cream parlors
about 100
Mrs. C: (Castorr)
No, he had one factory and he employed about 100 Cubans and
he -- I don't know whether it was before or after the assassination
I heard that he had gone to Puerto Rico
W:
But the ice cream man was in Dallas and had a going business there.
Mrs. C:
Yes. And hired about 100 Cubans. So you see, after this story
was in the paper that the man who owned the ice cream place was
going to sell to the other man, and I said well wasn't that an interesting story and the man said "Oh, it's only publicity the guy just likes to see his name in the paper"
W:
And then he disappeared.
Mrs. C:
So I don't even know what happened to the ice cream factory but
in one of these -- it must be in the big book where Father McCann
is questioned as to "Do you know so and so " And it's one of the
people named there that is going to buy that.
I have run across a reference to this ice cream factory before, but I can't remember where it was.
Does anyone know anything about this ice cream factory?
Steve Thomas
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On 11/21/2016 at 11:11 AM, Steve Thomas said:
CE 2003 located in (24H259) is the list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill of TSBD employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth.
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CE 2003 located in (24H259) is the list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill of TSBD employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth.
Lieutenant Revill told the Warren Commission that he drafted his report within 30 minutes to an hour of when he and Hosty had their conversation in the basement (5H39). The list of employees and their addresses were drawn up by Westphal and Parks,
At the same time Revill is preparing a Report of the names and addresses of the TSBD employees, (within 30 minutes of meeting Hosty) he is also preparing a Report to Chief Curry on the Subject Lee Harvey Oswald 605 Elsbeth concerning meeting with James Hosty at 2:50 PM
V.J. Brian testified to the Warren Commission, but only describes searching the TSBD and said, " in fact, I didn't have time to (write a report of the Hosty/Revill conversation) because when I got back there (he said that he had been at the TSBD for about 2 hours) they had a list of names they were going to start checking out and they handed me six of them and says, "Start going and checking here and here and here and checking these people."
In the combined after-action report submitted by Batcheor, Lumpkin and Stevenson, Lumpkin wrote that Lieutenant Kaminski was placed at the front door with Roy Truly, and that, as each employee left, Kaminski got their name, address and telephone number, and Truly verified that they worked there.
See DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10, pp. 22-23.
In his Report on Oswald's Interrogations in Appendix XI of the WR, Harry Holmes wrote of the Interrogation on the 24th, that Oswald said that as he was leaving the TSBD, he was stopped by a policeman who took his identification. “and his boss stated that he is one of our employees.”
Meaning that, according to Oswald at least, Truly was there. The policeman asked him to step aside momentarily.
WR Appendix XI, p. 636
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=660&tab=page
According to the Dallas Dispatch Tapes, at 12:49 PM, Captain Talbert radios in and informs Dispatch that “15's in charge down here. Correction, 5's (Dept. Chief G.L. Lumpkin) in charge.”
Between 12:55 and 1:00 PM, 15 radios in and say, “Think 5 and 9 (Lumpkin and Sawyer) both are in the building.”
There are two things here:
1) People have wondered through the years how the Elsbeth St. address got on the list of TSBD employees that was being drawn up within 30 minutes of Revill meeting Hosty in the DPD basement at 2:50 PM. I believe that when Oswald was stopped at the front door by Kaminski, Kaminski asked Oswald, “You got any ID”? And that Oswald gave him the only thing in his wallet with an address on it, his library card – which had the Elsbeth St. address. He was asked to step aside because, on the card, his place of employment was listed as Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall. Truly then confirmed that Oswald worked at the TSBD.
What this does not explain is the name reversal on the list; Harvey Lee Oswald; nor why the police were searching for Harvey Lee Oswald at 1026 N. Beckley
2) In his Warren Commission testimony, Truly initially told the WC that he informed Lumkin on his own initiative around 12:50, that Oswald was missing, but only after conferring with both Shelley Campbell, and calling the warehouse to get Oswald's information. Lumpkin however, wrote in his Report that Truly approached him within a few minutes of his arrival at the TSBD.
In his FBI Report, Campbell said, “Immediately following this, he observed the car rush away from the scene. He then immediately rushed into his building without having seen anything unusual from any window of his building. Inside he was told shortly thereafter by the warehouse superintendent, Mr. TRULY, that all the employees of the company had been rounded up and one employee, LEE HARVEY OSWALD, was missing.”
Truly was reporting that Oswald was missing even before the building was sealed, and even though, in his own words, several other employees were not there, he focused entirely on Oswald.
Truly's testimony gave the Warren Commission fits.
Read the second part of his appearance before the WC here:
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/truly2.htm
They kept coming back, and kept coming back to when he reported to Fritz that Oswald was missing and tried to get Truly to say it was when the rifle was found. I wondered why.
Fritz testified to the WC three weeks before Truly, and he told them that Truly had approached him up on the 6th floor when the rifle was found. That was at 1:22 PM. Truly was telling them that he had reported Oswald missing at 12:50 or so. In his WC testimony, Truly makes no mention of his front door work with Kaminksi, but the WC already had Lumpkin's after-action report, and Holmes' Report of Oswald's interrogation, telling them that a policeman and Truly were at the front door taking names.Just as an aside,
When Truly testified to the WC, he said he got Oswald's description from Aiken at the other warehouse off Oswald's job application.
Representative FORD. In your description of Oswald to Captain Fritz, did you describe the kind of clothes that Oswald had on that day?
Mr. TRULY. I don't know, sir. No, sir; I just told him his name and where he lived and his telephone number and his age, as 23, and I said 5 feet, 9, about 150 pounds, light brown hair--whatever I picked up off the description there. I did not try to depend on my memory to describe him. I just put down what was on this application blank. That's the reason I called Mr. Aiken, because I did not want to mislead anybody as to a description. I might call a man brown-halted, and he might be blonde.
The only problem is, is that Oswald's TSBD application does not say what color his hair is:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0118b.htmSteve Thomas
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13 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
and a good thought it is... The FPCC was being attacked from all sides...
I was in a thread a while back that asked about the switch from Oswald the informant to Oswald the patsy.. what one notices after he moves to New Orleans is that his activities can be interpreted in a number of ways leaving the "plot" to twist and turn around him.
As Oswald is carrying out his informant orders by playing both sides of the Castro fence (Anti-Castro Bannister forces yet "pro-Castro" flyers) he is also in the process of incriminating himself by sheer association - also in either direction.
If JFK is somehow shot in Chicago, or Tampa... Oswald continues his $200/month informant job and everyone remembers Arthur Vallee instead.
Virtually everything he is sent to do serves as both his quiet relationship with US intel and to incriminate him - should it become necessary.
David,
I've never heard of this, "Nationalities Intelligence Section." Do you know much about it?
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, David Josephs said:
Just a couple observations
Could "B.O." be FBI Agent Robert "Bob" Olsen? The other two names for the 11/22 interrogation are Hosty and Bookout, both FBI. I checked all the DPD references I had and couldn't find a "B.O."
David,
I feel sheepish.
Several days ago, I looked at the handwritten part of Fritz's interrogation notes. Just above the letters, B.O. are written Jame W and below the letters, B.O. is written Bookhout.
Bookhout's name was James W. It looks like there was an oil spot where the "s" should have been in "James", or Fritz just didn't press down hard enough on his pen to finish the word. I think that at the time, Fritz didn't know how to spell Bookhout's name, so he just used the letters, B.O. and filled it in later.
The person typing those notes made the same mistake I did.
Steve (red in the face) Thomas
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36 minutes ago, Alistair Briggs said:
I wonder if the Hidell name had nothing to do with the assassination of JFK at all, and perhaps it was something else earlier.
Alistair,
The only thing I can up with is that I believe that Oswald created the SS card using the skills that he picked up and the equipment while working at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall in the fall of 1962 and spring of 1963 - before he moved to New Orleans, and it's got something to do with the two weeks when Oswald went "missing" between Oct 19 and Nov 3. The things that appear to be associated with the name Hidell seem to involve the FPFC and the rifle.
What the implications of that are, I don't know.
Steve Thomas
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On 1/6/2017 at 9:10 AM, Steve Thomas said:
"Mr. Lawson acknowledged that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence" 1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396)
Is this possibly where Whitmeyer worked?
Jules E. Muchert Army Reserve Center
10031 E. Northwest Highway
This Property was a part of the original boundaries of White Rock Lake Park. The City of Dallas sold the Property to the Federal Government in 1956 for an Army Reserve Training Center Site.
http://www3.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0607/QOL_061107_muchert.pdf
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The more I look at this article , the angrier I get. It's just totally bogus and demeans the men and women who deserved it.
Lubbock Avalanche-Journal from Lubbock, Texas · December 5, 1967 Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/6092576/
What little is in that abstract reads:
DALLAS (API — Col. Jack A.:, Crichton. commanding officer of) the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, was awarded the Legion of Merit Monday night on' his retirement from the Army- Reserve after 30 years of service. The medal was presented in a ceremony by Col. Robert D. Of-; fer, commander of the VIII U.S. , Army Corps at Austin. An oil man and petroleum consultant, Crichton organized his Reserve unit in 1956 and has been its only commander. The award cited him for "exceptionally outstanding service" as commander and for the preparation of a series of military intelligence studies. (the name of the awarding colonel is garbled in the OCR rendering).
When did you ever hear of an Army Corps being commanded by a Colonel?
Just two years earlier, there is this article in the Hood County News:
Hood County News-Tablet from Granbury, Texas · Page 8July 8, 1965
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/57597412/
“Gets Texas National Guard Commission Gary T. Grogan of Rising Star, technician with the local Soil Conservation Service office, received his commission as a second lieutenant in the Texas N'ational Guard in ceremonies at the Municipal'. Auditorium in Austin Saturday evening, June 1). He was awarded his commission at the conclusion of a Texas Officer Candidate School which he attended at Camp Mabry, Texas. He was assigned to the 1st Bn,. 142nd Inf., Brown-wood, Texas, as battalion antitank platoon leader. Presentation of the diplomas was made by Maj. Gen. Thomas S. Bishop, Texas adjutant-general, Major. Gen: .. William. R. Calhoun commanding , general of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps, was the speaker for the evening. Lt. Grogan was a 1957 graduate of Lipan High School and received his BS degree from Texas Tech in 1961. His parents, Mr. and Mrs. T. G. Grogan, live at...”
And this from the Dallas Morning News:
DMN 11-16-1965
10 Dallas reserve Units Included In Inactivation
By Gene Ormsby
Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division,
are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhoun, commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin.
A Major General as a Commander of a Corps, I can believe. A Colonel, I can't.
I am having a hard time trying to reconcile these dates:
http://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm (and from Wikipedia, which is just a repeat of the Sparacus entry)
In 1956 Crichton started up his "own spy unit", the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. Crichton served as the unit's commander under Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas. In an interview Crichton claimed that there were "about a hundred men in that unit and about forty or fifty of them were from the Dallas Police Department."
The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 3
October 23, 1956
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/84343273/
William F. Pipes, Jr. right, was promoted from first lieutenant to captain in the U. S. Army Reserves at ceremonies Monday night at the USAR training center, Selman Field. Looking on as Capt. Pipes reads his new commission is Major George L. Whitmeyer, unit advisor. (Staff photo by John I. Fogleman.)
OBITUARY of Frances Whitmeyer:
Whitmeyer, Frances Raby was born February 21, 1922 and passed away April 4, 2009. Frances was born in Athens, Alabama to S.W. and Donna Raby. She graduated from Alabama Women's College in Athens. She moved to New Orleans and worked for the Lykes Steamship Co. and also for the City of New Orleans helping to translate French law into English. She later married George Whitmeyer and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war. They moved to Fort Worth in 1961 and then to Dallas in 1963.
So, in 1956, Crichton starts his "own spy unit" serving under a Lt. Colonel Whitmeyer, who is actually a Major in the Reserves in Louisiana, who moves from LA to Germany and moves to Fort Worth in 1961, and to Dallas in 1963.
This Whitmeyer, who Winston Lawson told the HSCA in 1978 was a Lieutenant-Colonel who "taught Army intelligence".
How does a "Colonel" Crichton serve under a "Lieutenant-Colonel" Whitmeyer?
And Crichton becomes a Colonel by 1967 where is is awarded a Legion of Merit by another "Colonel" who commands an entire Army Corps.
The whole thing just stinks to high heaven.
Pardon my French.
Steve Thomas
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38 minutes ago, David Boylan said:
Steve,
You beat me to it. I was going to suggest Castorr. :-)
Castorr socialized with Gen Walker, H.L. Hunt, and Robert Morris. Morris was friends with Lester Logue. Castorr was later a member of the Maryland Reserve.
David,
So many Colonels:
Jack Crichton
George L. Whitmeyer
Lester Logue
Robert Castorr
I've read that these Reserve units were top heavy. I'm beginning to believe it.
Steve Thomas
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13 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
It makes you wonder how well Lester Logue and Jack Crichton knew each other, seeing as how they were in the same business.
It's a shame the Colonel and the Major who were in the Reserves weren't named.
I suspect now that the un-named Colonel was retired Colonel, Robert L. Castorr - who was "stirring up" anti Castro Cubans (via Fr. McChannn and Lucille Connell) and gun running into Cuba (via Nancy Perrin Rich). To believe that he might be involved with Loren Hall and Hemming wouldn't be a stretch.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, David Boylan said:
Not to derail this subject but here's the unredacted version - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=44539&search=lester_logue#relPageId=2&tab=page
It was Logue.
David,
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Those hsca segregated cia collections are something aren't they?
It makes you wonder how well Lester Logue and Jack Crichton knew each other, seeing as how they were in the same business.
It's a shame the Colonel and the Major who were in the Reserves weren't named.
I wonder what Whitmeyer did after the pilot car got to Parkland. In his after-action report, Lumpkin wrote that he, Senkel and Turner returned downtown to the TSBD. I wonder what Whitmeyer did. I had read that his wife owned an antiques store across the street from the Trade Mart. Maybe he had her come and pick him up.
And isn't it interesting that out of all the policemen at the TSBD, it was Lumpkin who Truly told that Oswald was missing. Jack Revill and W.F. Dyson were in charge of the search team sweeping the floors. I wonder why Truly chose Lumpkin. He said that Lumpkin was standing a few feet away and was giving instructions of some kind to.to other officers. I went back and looked at Truly's WC testimony. He seemed to know who Chief Lumpkin was, but couldn't remember Marion Baker's name.
"So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not." Because I had another one or two out then. I didn't know whether they were all there or not."
Mr. BELIN. Did you ask for the name and addresses of any other employees who might have been missing?
Mr. TRULY. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Why didn't you ask for any other employees?
Mr. TRULY. That is the only one that I could be certain right then was missing.Interesting.
Steve Thomas
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On 1/6/2017 at 9:10 AM, Steve Thomas said:
"Mr. Lawson acknowledged that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence"1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396)
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The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 13
March 15, 1954
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/90445615/
George L. Whitmeyer, whose wife, Frances Whitmeyer, resides here at 217 Pargoud Drive, has recently completed a 17-week Associate Infantry Office Advanced Course in Fort Benning, Ga., which is given to company and field grade officers to enable them to return to their units with a more thorough understanding of their command positions. Whitmeyer, in service for 12 years, has served in Hawaii, Europe, Korea, and Japan, and been awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and the Combat Infantry Badge.
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1 hour ago, David Boylan said:
Steve,
Geologist, oil man - Lester Logue?
David,
Could be. I have to admit I don't know anything about his background.
Steve Thomas
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In various places, George L. Whitmeyer has been identified as:
deputy East Texas sector commander
East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve
U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.
I would contend that there is no such thing.
If you do a google search, using these search terms, the only place you find entries for this search
string is in reference to the JFK assassination. These designations just don't fit in the official military chain of command.
In his wife, Frances' obituary, it says that she married George Whitmeyer after meeting him in Louisiana, and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war. They moved to Fort Worth in 1961 and then to Dallas in 1963. I do not know his status in the Reserves after he came back from Germany.
As far as Crichton “forming his own spy unit” consisting of 100 men, with half of them being Dallas Police Officers and him reporting to Whitmeyer, I have been in contact with a former commanding officer of an actual Army Reserve Military Intelligence Detachment, and asked him about these designations. He wrote me back and said,
"I'm still puzzled by the title "Deputy East Texas Sector Commander." It just doesn't fit in the scenarios I've been used to, which is why I suspect this unit was not a Guard unit but a Texas State Militia Reserve unit."
Texas Adjutant General's Department:
An Inventory of Texas State Guard/Texas Defense Guard/Texas State Guard Reserve Corps Records at the Texas State Archives, 1938-1983, undated (bulk 1941-1945)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/30026/tsl-30026.html
“When the Texas National Guard was demobilized in 1947, the 50th Legislature (by Senate Bill 361) created the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps (TSGRC), to provide a reservoir of military strength for use by the state in time of national or state emergency, when any part of the Texas National Guard was called into federal service. When so activated, this Texas State Guard Reserve Corps would function as the Texas State Guard (TSG). The Governor of Texas appointed a Commanding General for the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps, to be supervised by the Adjutant General of Texas. Initially the state was divided into twelve districts, each with a colonel as regimental commander.
In January 1958, the TSGRC was reorganized as follows: an Active Reserve, a Ready Reserve, an Inactive Reserve, an Enlisted Reserve, an Honorary Reserve, a Provost Marshal Section, and an
ROTC-NDCC [Reserve Officer Training Corps-National Defense Cadet Corps] Group. As the most important component, the Active Reserve was composed of a Corps Headquarters, one Corps Radio Unit, six Defense Group Headquarters, six Defense Group Radio Units, 30 Internal Security Battalions (about half of them strictly cadre units with officer personnel only), and 12 Radio and Rescue Detachments, with a total authorized strength of 10,000 officers and enlisted men.”
This is an interesting little tidbit I happened to run across. I do not want to imply that the people referred to are in any way related to the topic in question. It's just interesting.Read the last paragraph on page 3 of this FBI Miami Field Office letterhead memo.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=136328#relPageId=1&tab=page
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1 hour ago, George Sawtelle said:
I believe the plot began about six months before JFK was killed. That would be around May-June 1963.
George,
For me, it was his speech at American University on June 10, 1963. It was a stab in the heart to the military-industrial complex.
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Inaugural address: Trump's full speech
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/trump-inaugural-address/
Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another -- but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People.
For too long, a small group in our nation's Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished -- but the people did not share in its wealth.
The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation's capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land.
That all changes -- starting right here, and right now, because this moment is your moment: it belongs to you.
What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.
Everyone is listening to you now.
You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement the likes of which the world has never seen before.
We are one nation -- and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams; and their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny.
I will fight for you with every breath in my body -- and I will never, ever let you down.
Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way.
Together, We will make America strong again.
We will make wealthy again.
We will make America proud again.
We will make America safe again.
Eva Peron. Speech to the Descamisados on October 17, 1951
https://www.marxists.org/history/argentina/peron/1951/speech.htm
I have a sacred debt to Peron and all of you, to the workers, to the boys of the CGT, to the descamisados and the people. And it doesn’t matter to me if I have to leave shred of my life along the way in order to repay it.
I will never cease repaying you and would give my life in gratitude for how good you have always been and are with me.
I will not tell you the usual lies: I won’t tell you that I don’t deserve this. Yes, I deserve this, my general. I deserve it for one thing alone, which is worth more than all the gold in the world: I deserve it for all I've done for the love of this people. I'm not important because of what I've done; I'm not important because of what I've renounced; I'm not important because of what I am or have. I have only one thing that matters, and I have it in my heart. It sets my soul aflame, it wounds my flesh and burns in my sinews: it’s love for this people and for Perón. I gave you thanks, my general, for having taught me to know and love them. If this people asked me for my life I would joyfully give it, for the happiness of one descamisado is worth more than my entire life.
And I had to come to thank all of you, my beloved descamisados from all corners of the fatherland for being willing to risk your lives for Perón. I was certain that you knew – as did I – how to serve as Perón’s entrenchment. The enemies of the people, of Perón and the Fatherland, have also long known that Perón and Eva Perón are ready to die for this people. Now they also know that the people are ready to die for Perón.
Compañeros, I ask just one thing today: that all of us publicly vow to defend Perón and to fight for him until death. And our oath will be shouted for a minute so that our cry can reach the last corner of the earth: Our lives for Peron!
Let the enemies of the people, of Perón and the Fatherland come. I have never been afraid of them because I have always believed in the people. I have always believed in my beloved descamisados...
I know that God is with us because he is with the humble and despises the arrogance of the oligarchy. This is why victory will be ours. We will achieve it sooner or later, whatever the cost, whoever may fall.
Steve Thomas
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On 1/19/2017 at 0:33 PM, Steve Thomas said:
Basically, with respect to the 488th, I wanted to start from scratch because the more I looked at it, the more tangled it seems to get.
Lately, I'm beginning to suspect that this 488th and Whitmeyer and Crichton might be buried in the Texas Military Department and the National Guard.
One of the reasons I suspect that, is how Whitmeyer is identified in several places:
DMN 11-16-1965
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Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander said the same units were listed more than a month ago..."
Whitmeyer is referred to in combined Batchelor, Lumpkin, and Stevenson, report to Curry as, “ Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.”
DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 14, Item# 10 p. 20.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm
On April 22, 1964 Police Chief, Jesse Curry told the Warren Commission, “I had Deputy Chief Lumpkin, and he had two Secret Service men with him, I believe, out of Washington, and a Colonel Wiedemeyer who is the East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve in the area, he was with him.
Testimony of Jesse Curry. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 170, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://history-matte..._Vol4_0089b.htm
There is no reference in these citations to XXX Regiment, or YYY Division, or ZZZ Army.These references do not appear to be legitimate military command structure references.
https://tmd.texas.gov/
The Texas Military Department is composed of the three branches of the military in the state of Texas. These branches are the Texas Army National Guard, the Texas Air National Guard, and the Texas State Guard. All three branches are administered by the state Adjutant General, an appointee of the Governor of Texas, and fall under the command of the Governor.One possible avenue of research might be here:
Texas Adjutant General's Department:
An Inventory of Texas State Guard/Texas Defense Guard/Texas State Guard Reserve Corps Records at the Texas State Archives, 1938-1983, undated (bulk 1941-1945)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/30026/tsl-30026.html
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On 1/19/2017 at 0:33 PM, Steve Thomas said:
He was in charge of all the Reserve Units in either East Texas, or North Texas
or he was a deputy sub-section commander ( forget the wording right now. It's in Batchelor's and Stevenson's combined report to Curry)
In that combined Batchelor, Lumpkin, Stevenson after-action report, he was referred to as,
“ Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.”
(whatever the $%^&* that means.)
Steve Thomas
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Why wasn't a search warrant executed on 605 Elsbeth St.?
Though that list of employees is dated 11/22/63, in Westphal's interview with Larry Sneed in No More Silence, he talks about going home, and then returning to DPD Headquarters to generate the list for Gannaway. So, I'm not sure what time of the evening that list was actually typed up. Revill told the WC that he generated his memo to Curry about meeting Hosty within 30 minutes of having met Hosty at 2:50 in the afternoon. Revill's memo uses the 605 Elsbeth St. address for LHO.
If the 605 Elsbeth St. address came off a library card, and Oswald was arrested around 1:50 PM and arrived at Police Headquarters at 2:00 PM, and Fritz began questioning Oswald at 2:20 PM;
Police were dispatched to the Irving St. address at 2:30 PM
They were dispatched to the Beckley St. address at 2:40 PM
Why weren't they dispatched to and a search warrant executed on 605 Elsbeth?
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On 10/18/2016 at 9:40 AM, Paul Trejo said:
Steve,
Getting back to the theme of your interesting thread -- the question is now haunting me -- since the Dallas PO Box application form signed by LHO on November 1, 1963, clearly gave the address as "3610 North Beckley," how could Postmaster Harry Holmes be telling the truth when he said he checked it soon after the J.D. Tippit murder and found LHO's address -- because it was really "1026 North Beckley" !!
You say it took the DPD 5 minutes to criss-cross Ruth Paine's address with LHO's Beckley address -- but how? From what I see, the first that the DPD learned of the North Beckley address was from Postmaster Harry Holmes. Where else would they get the data?
--Paul Trejo
Paul,
The significance of 3610 N. Beckley on Oswald's application for P.O. Box 6225 might relate to Gary Taylor's WC testimony that he thought Oswald was living at the Coz-I-Eight apartments who's address was 1306 N. Beckley during two weeks of October 19 - November 3, 1962 when Oswald went "missing".
The Sheriff's Deputies called Decker about the number in Ruth Paine's address book and asked him to run a criss-cross. I don't remember right now if he did it, or he called the DPD and asked them to run it.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:
Steve - while I have nothing to add to your attempts to shine some light on this mysterious 488th, I am encouraged that you are trying to figure this out.. Have you looked at the Spartacus entry for Crichton?
Paul,
Thank you. Yes, I have. Basically, with respect to the 488th, I wanted to start from scratch because the more I looked at it, the more tangled it seems to get.
I hope to lay this out a little while later, but for instance, depending on who you read, Whitmeyer was either:
a Lieutenant Colonel or a Colonel
He was in charge of all the Reserve Units in either East Texas, or North Texas
or he was a deputy sub-section commander ( forget the wording right now. It's in Batchelor's and Stevenson's combined report to Curry)
Crichton was his boss, or Whitmeyer was Crichton's boss.
Cricton started his own spy unit made up of 100 men, however,
Military Intelligence Detachments were real units of the US Army Reserve System and 90% of them were composed of 9 men.
See what I mean?
Steve Thomas
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3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Does anyone know of a Whitmeyer connection to Louisiana?
I'm picking up references to a Major George L. Whitmeyer as a Reserve local area unit advisor in Monroe, LA in the 1955 - 57 time frame.
Steve Thomas
From the Obituary of Frances Whitmeyer:
Whitmeyer, Frances Raby was born February 21, 1922 and passed away April 4, 2009. Frances was born in Athens, Alabama to S.W. and Donna Raby. She graduated from Alabama Women's College in Athens. She moved to New Orleans and worked for the Lykes Steamship Co. and also for the City of New Orleans helping to translate French law into English. She later married George Whitmeyer and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war.
So, it's conceivable that this is the same Major Whitmeyer that is referenced in the
The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 3
September 21, 1955
"Vacancies in the high school student draft deferment group still exist in the reserve army", Major George L. Whitmeyer, army reserve advisor, said Wednesday. "This program, provided for in the new armed forces reserve act of 1955. provides that young men in the age group 17 to 18 years, may enlist in the army reserve and during the eight - year period of their enlistment remain in a draft - deferred status. During the eight - year period, they will be required to serve on active duty for a period of six months instead of the two years required by the draft. This will constitute their entire military obligation during their enlistment, except that they will be required to remain active in the reserve while not on active duty. This six - month period of duty on active service will also be deferred while the enlistee is satisfactorily pursuing high school studies, is engaged in seasonal employment or until 20 years of age."
Steve Thomas
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On 8/16/2011 at 0:45 AM, William Kelly said:
I also find it interesting that Whitmyer was stationed in the Army in Germany from after WWII until 1961, and that his wife worked for Lykes Steamship line,
the company that ran the ship Oswald took to Europe when he defected.
Does anyone else find this line of inquiry interesting?
Cubans and the ice cream factory
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Nawww.
Not one chance in a gazillion, billion.
Steve Thomas