Lee Forman

Any help appreciated - just trying to get an appreciation for the timing of these frames on the basis of the Zapruder 'clock.' An estimate within 3 frames would be useful. Looking to establish some rough estimates on timing for a future post. Nix, Muchmore and Willis. What would be the corresponding z-frame? Willis - z202? Betzner - z186? Thanks for any help... First frame - z354 is my guess... Next guess - z292 Next guess - z341 - lee

Lee, have I got this right? Is that Rogers in the insert photo? Thanks. Denis. Hi Denis - no, that is one crop taken from one of the tramp photos compared against another. That is what makes it so strange. I am very interested in seeing what Gerry Hoy of GD looked like - and why Sprague knew whom it was RB Cutler was talking about - with a connection to the MLK assassination as well. Especially after reading about the bizarre case that allegedly involved Suite 8F group and a former FBI agent named IB Hale working security for GD - involving Robert Hale [aka Papa Pilgrim] and Judyth Exener in a blackmail project. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ost&p=18523 I don't buy Charles Rogers as one of the tramps - interesting if he was another pilot though - like Ferrie, Rourke, Plumlee, etc. According to TMOTGK, similar projects as Ferrie, fluent in Spanish, etc. - lee

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Great quote - from Cool Hand Luke- "Where are you now?" The man on the stairs that fired the fatal shot - hit me wth your best shot please. I am very content with the information I have gathered on my own and with plenty of assistance. If nothing else - anyone that wants to help me out can always get to me - lforman23@comcast.net. The truth needs to be revealed finally. Time to get her done. - lee

And there is the shorter tramp. Charles Rogers was five foot five, a 145 pounds, and he was 41 years old that day. every single feature is consistent. The only thing is the the person on the right has aged, from that highschool picture. Here is another view of the shorter tramp. Again, the tramp that I believe is Charles Harrelson, who is definitely taller than Charles Rogers, he is behind him like 10 or 15 feet and he still appears taller than the shorter tramp. So I would guess this man to be 5.5. It is hard to do that, but notice the vehicle. That man's body relative to the vehicle. He is 5.5. I would prefer first seeing a photo of Gerry Hoy of General Dynamics as per Dick Spragues notes to RB Cutler before wasting any more time on Rogers as a possible, personally. Wim - any chance of getting that acheived. - lee

An interesting thread - as I recall, the Muchmore film had been thrown in my face as irrevocable proof that no alteration was possible with the other films - the Nix which was 'seized' by the FBI, and the Zapruder, which was purchased and held by Time Life CIA - but the Muchmore was released later unscathed and no vale. Luckily, I don't trust my government - certainly not he FBI during the Queen's 50 year reign - unlike some stooges and sheeple. It should be the responsibility of citizens everywhere to question their 'elected' authority and make it accountable. I have always believed that the Muchmore film sequence on the stairs was bogus, and that the film would have had to have been synched to the altered Moorman, altered Nix and the altered Zapruder film to provide cover for the shot from the front and the man on the stairs, and now I feel a lot better about it after having read this thread. Thanks. Wikipedia

I do not believe Rogers was one of the tramps, FWIW. Always found this one to be a bit odd though....

Very interesting bit from Judyth Vary Baker's book - Lee Harvey Oswald, Trafford Publishing...

Hello Mr. Dean. That excerpt was taken from the Spartacus site, a synopsis by Michael Parks. Is that accurate? Are there still names you have not revealed in addition to those quoted above? The name Ed Butler is greatly intriguing for me. Boggs identified Butler as working for Alton Oschner - although it is my distinct and firm belief that this information was mistakenly/duplicitously captured in the Warren Report as Dr. 'Oxnard.' Did you also have any relationship with Oschner? Along with Oschner, Judyth Baker talks about a former FBI agent named William I Monaghan as an individual of interest - allegedly working the front for Oswald at Reilly and having a lot of interesing connections - ever hear of him? Did you know any of the New Orleans group - Bannister or Ferrie? Did Richard Nagell participate in any of the meetings you were in? Sorry - too many questions. Last one - weren't any Cuban exiles involved in anything that was going on? From what you have captured here - it sounds as if one foiled plot for Mexico involved a largely different group of people from Dallas - do you think that is possible? - lee

Oh please tell us all you know about the impact on a head of an under-charged round ... I hope its interesting enough to pass along to someone who is an expert in these things. Bill Miller Experts told me no such animal in this case as under-charged rounds. Absolute nonsense. Shame we're minus Ritchson. But always a mistake to follow the lead of anyone 'smart' enough to make absolutes out of allegedly studied 'blood spatter' in a tainted film. That nonsense must end. However, one Doctor I consulted with made it clear that an initial impact to the skull would have built up the incredible amount of pressures inside the skull which would have resulted in an initial explosion [aka lasagna], followed simply by a path of least resistance to any follow on shot. Tom plays cat and mouse but won't be pinned down when we can see he is clearly referring to a film which would have contained more frames than a surprising 18.3fps. Get the $16M back, that's my opinion. - lee

Sorry - editing this... Use of a semi-wadcutter round would not fit here? You didn't mention why a wadcutter may be used from a tactical perspective, or that possibility? For a tumbling round to key-hole, shouldn't we be looking at a much different wound? Who used to pack a SWC as their first chambered round - always? And what of the chain of evidence? The fact that the wife of the director of Parkland claimed that two bullets were found - one an unfired .38? The differences in the round reportedly originally found [pointed vs round]? The stretcher, which stretcher, CPR, the floor, etc? What of the missile removed from Kennedy's body? Even if it's a tumbling round that first struck a tree limb, how on earth would you then account for it being as intact as it allegedly was? If it tumbled on entry, wouldn't it still pick up fabrics and be impacted itself piercing skin and muscle? Is it not possible to get a DNA sample off that thing all these years later and determine whether or not the whole thing is bogus? Why not just cut the branches down because they were in the way and weakened a bs 'Oswald only' case? Shoot Tom - give me the midget in the trunk before I'll believe anything less than DPD, FBI, the CIAfia, MI, SS / Johnson direct involvement, screwing-tattooing-blueing and interference. We know how the game is played. - lee

It's okay Bill - I won't give it up. I did enough 'pixel hunting.' This one doesn't go away. And folks who know anything know why it shouldn't. It's only a matter of time. - lee lforman23@comcast.net Let's see now! There was once the "IMF"/aka the Impossible Mission Force. Now, we have the "IMA"/aka Invisible Man Assassin. Certainly makes one realize exactly why many would have never "found" the third shot impact. Anyone care to take a count as to exactly how many photographs exist which clearly demonstrate no one else in the area of "Invisible Man w/silenced Pistol" assassin. Er...one? - lee

The FACTS as you call them - are open to extreme prejudice in interpretation - particularly with respect to what is depicted in the Z-film and autopsy nonsense. I especially appreciate your material on the rear head wound - this appears to be highly logical and well researched, as all of your efforts are - and I know that you are no slouch when it comes to due diligence in this respect - however - when we speak of 'Facts' let's consider and not be hasty - you are largely making your case on the basis of information provided by a survey expert, your experience, study, etc., the extant z-film [unless you care to make a statement to the contrary] and the 'official' record. However, circumventing the dilemma - you choose to demonstrate how the Whitewash was just that - a whitewash, yet we are to believe that you have solved the mystery - when clearly the 'official' record is not to be trusted. You have never accounted for all of the various reports of misses, shots fired, witness accounts of the knoll/stockade/pergola etc. - and are content to accept - at face value, the results of the misguided autopsy and glee club nonsense which followed. WTH. I would have thought that you were more intelligent than that Tom. As some folks would say, at seeing the z-film for the first time and snap back of the head - 'speed kills.' It has nothing to do with what the official report contained or the official 'facts' - rather, it has to do with lies, smoke in mirrors and nonsense - much of which was clearly the result and direct involvement of the SS in covering it's ultimate failure - whether under direct orders by the new commander-in-chief or not. Losers Tom - they were all losers, suck-ups and yellow to the core. Anyway - I very much appreciated your posts, your time, and the sharing of your research. You're bright, well informed, intelligent and have a dry sense of humor that I enjoyed. I'll miss your posts and insight. - lee

GPH http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ost&p=44672 One day it would be great to put all of the alleged and possible LHOs together in one thread. - lee lforman23@comcast.net

It's okay Bill - I won't give it up. I did enough 'pixel hunting.' This one doesn't go away. And folks who know anything know why it shouldn't. It's only a matter of time. - lee lforman23@comcast.net

Step up as car approaches. Squat under shadow of live oak. Draw bead using handheld with silencer. Pull trigger in reaction to sound of shot which impacted rear of head. Temple strike. Begin to immediately exit scene. Altercation. Blood left on top of steps. Erase. - lee

Looks like a winner Jack. If I can find the copy of Wolper's Four Days in November I had transferred to DVD [which I lent to someone who hasn't returned it], I can post multiple frames of Jackie receiving Lambchop at Love Field. Very clear frames. Thus far, I am content personally with every observation made by Jean Hill in the Whitewash. - lee

From the Dallas History Forum Jack - I posted this elsewhere - found it interesting and not sure if you caught it. - lee

Spanish tradition, which dates back to Arabic conquest and continues today - an individual has their given first name, then the last name of the Father, followed by the last name of the Mother. There is the social / cultural view of the last name - which is based upon the last name of the Father, and the official name - Government records, etc., which will normally contain all three. http://spanish.about.com/cs/culture/a/surnames.htm Frequently, as with other languages, the last name also has some identification with a trade or geographical area. Interestingly enough, many of today's traditional Spanish last names may also have been taken from common historical first names, as Jewish Spaniards forced to convert to Christianity during the inquisition chose to use these to replace their own last names. Basque is of course, something altogether different. The Basque names and derrivations of these names are common in the US, Cuba and Puerto Rico - for example Homer Echevarria and Fermin de Goichochea - these names have Basque origins - and 'de Goichochea' refers to a town in Basque country. Silveira appears to have it's origins in Galicia. http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/si...a-coat-arms.htm I don't know about the relationship - but seems likely - but more for a brother than a father on the basis of the history of naming - 'Diaz Silveira.' - lee

My impression has always been that the faces of 1-2 individuals have been removed. Don't know if that helps. - lee

Hello Michael. The first area points to an oddity - no clue. There appears to be some form of rod shape - I don't know what it is, but it shows up strong. The area above that is weird also - almost looks like the shape of a 2-way radio - but who can say for sure. The second arrow, IMO, is that of what appears to be another individual - who can be seen looking over another man's shoulder. Not of much value - but as Frank pointed out - something here had folks looking - not only the SS either - so what was it? It's still my impression that the negative was defaced in this area - not clear on why - but this seems to be as good as I have been able to get. As to Lovelady - his brother-in-law told me he was harassed so often that he was forced to move. Why bother Billy Lovelady? Is it possible that this photo saw some alteration - I would say it looks like it - but hey - no expert. From the look of things, something occurred here to draw folks attention. It's kind of curious to consider that perhaps the reason was because of individuals that looked like alike. Or a noise. Don't know - just find it interesting. I haven't changed my mind that this image was defaced, at a minimum. Hemming's comment always made me wonder also - about the rabbit popping his head out. Fritz notes are interesting as well. - lee

Two crops taken from the hi res scan of the November 1963 Altgens print - in the area of the doorway - both slightly enhanced.

Newman Clay Shaw Trial Michael Griffiths Tobias attached. Still looks like the hit Hudson and Newman are referring to is a side entry. But I don't believe that dilutes your point of entry as a separate hit. - lee

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Z381 is a somewhat clear frame. Hey Bill - I believe I used that one. Gif - not worth much. - lee